Climate Change? (Little Upsilon)

I've been around long enough, Nix, to take note of your single-minded obssession with something you clearly know very little about.

In all the "contributions" you've made on this subject, you've yet to provide anything substantial. Certainly nothing beyond politically-biased secondary data sources which do little more than serve your narrow, ignorant agenda.

I don't know. Seems to me you're just unwilling to take aboard new facts and discoveries if they directly contradict your own simple doctrine. There's a word for that; bigot.

You continue to make the same logical errors you always have. You've always dismissed primary source data supplied to support the counter-point (I do recall this very, very well indeed). And the lack of depth and breadth to your understanding is truly stupefying.

Thankfully, your kind of regressive extremism is not prominent. There are people out there willing to learn and expand their knowledge. Dinosaurs such as yourself will be left behind as human understanding progresses.

I only hope that one day you do manage to gain at least a little understanding of the processes you allude vaguely to. Maybe then you'll have something meaningful to contribute to the world.

I've provided you with an argument, sir. I am not obliged to provide you with an understanding. Besides, I genuinely believe it is beyond your capabilities and willingness to grasp.

I'll leave you to process that sequence of thoughts. I'll even grant you the final riposte. I'm sure it will be as fallacious as it is pointless.

I can understand both sides of this issue, but I certainly don't think name calling and degredation furthers the debate. Even if you are frustrated with what you percieve is a lack of understanding, eloquence, or sufficient evidence -- which I believe we all can agree, is inconclusive, and subject to the "subjectivity" of each of the interpreters and their starting assumptions.

That said, I often wonder why many of the richest nations and individuals/corporations of the world are spending large amounts of effort/capital/energy in preserving seeds, genetic material and other things -- natural, unbio-engineered or cloned things -- that would lead one to believe that some insurance, at least, against natural disaster is very much warranted.

Klarina.
Now one has ever shown me any primary source data showing that the effects of man in the way of deforestation, pollution and consumption is not effecting the Eco system in a bad way.
Nor do I get any primary source data showing me that mans effects on the Eco system are not enough to influence the delicate balance of the Natural World.

All I get is info on Natural Climate Change.
Which I do believe is all that you were going on about.


Berand. The leader knows whats coming.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ElcsvdMgaM

Global warming is OFFICIALLY a hoax,..i wonder if mainstream media will cover this as they did when global warming was first created?. main reason for this lie,.. tax.More importantly who created this lie????

So why are the ice caps thinning and sea temperature's rising? Why the unusual weather patterns and all the droughts?
And don't give me this shite about tax.
The amount of tax that it will take to make people think before they buy to save the Eco system is tiny compared to the amount of tax we will have to pay to bail out the greedy.
Atleast the Eco taxs wont harm our future generations.

Also, the Eco taxes will only affect those who are killing Mother Nature.

Like FarmerBob said, Environmentalism is different to Conservationism. So I guess the Global Warming debate is different to the debate on the destruction of our Eco system. But the way I see it they are both intertwined, for the destruction of our Eco system could also be the cause of Global warming.

I posted this on another forum:

Think about what man has done to Mother Nature over the past 100 years.

Ok, how many of those things were nice?

Now, how many of those nice things man has done to her were only done to compensate for damage we had already caused?

We have no idea of the true side effects of mans activities on our Eco system, the same as I don’t know the true side effects that smoking will do to me. The only time I will know is when it becomes apparent. But then it will be to late.

Now, I take that risk as only I will die.

I will not how ever take the risk that mans activities of pollution, consumption and destruction of our Eco system has no direct connection to Climate Change, which in-turn could destroy our future generations environment.

Survival is not about what is right or wrong, for only when it happens will that be known. The whole point of survival is not letting anything that could be wrong from happening.

Quote# ‘water vapour is the biggest greenhouse gas, co2 is well down the list and considered irrelevant by the real scientists’

Submitted by tony wrigley on Sun, 11/10/2009 - 18:17.

Its a vicious circle. We produce Methane(us, cows ect), CO2(industry and lifestyle) and chop down the trees(CO2 regulator). This in-turn heats the planet just enough to melt a bit more ice(main sun ray reflector) and vaporise a bit more water(biggest green house gas) than would have normally happened. This in-turn heats the planet a bit more which melts a bit more ice, vaporises a bit more water, maybe dries out a few peat bogs and so on. While at the same time we increase our activities of pollution, consumption and destruction.

What chance has she got?

And why are some of you lot prepared to take the risk of losing our futures standard of life, just because you aren’t prepared to sacrifice your lifestyles?
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As far as I can see your only on LU. Unless you explain your post I would'nt pin to much hope on getting to level 11.
Unless you want to face MNA on FB.

I believe that we really do not know that status on anthropogenic climate change right now. We know everybody's POLITICAL position. Like most disciplines science does its best work when it is out of the spotlight They need to take care of the basic data and reevaluate it.

I have seen studies that are contradictory, that have very thin data sets. I do not believe that the "consensus" is nearly as uniform as we have been led to believe.

I have seen good researchers shut out of the funding "game," in even mathematics (one of the pure sciences) when they would not toe the line. A researcher has tremendous pressure to spout the "official" line. Their future careers are tied to the ability to get current funding.

If the goal is to get an accurate picture of the current, and past, situation researchers must be allowed to pursue ALL avenues of research, not just the ones that are currently in vogue.

Look at the research on anti-depressants. The published studies have been cherry picked and studies that did not support the drugs were hidden away. Money has corrupted the system, but money is required by the system.

nixOO1, have you even read these documents/emails?...im guessing not. these climate numbers and info you are basing your argument on, come from the same place that have changed data etc..the CRU university. there is a different between having an opinion and having a educated opinion.

nix001, you have made the comment about not me not being able to get to level 11, just wondering what has real life issues got to do with this GAME? are you suggesting that this game mirrors a IQ level???

That's like saying that just because Joe Bloggs said that the moon is made of cheese, all reports of the composition of the moon from other sources are wrong.
Anyways, who's to say that the information from the CRU University wasn't compiled the way it was by an insurgent from the companies that would need to change their ways if a climate bill was passes? Hell these people will kill people who get in their way!

If you didn't want real life issue to encroach on your game then I would suggest keeping out of real life issue in the game.

I would like you to reconsider the blunt statement that you made. For sure, keep it to what you know. But if you insist on making sweeping statements which only serve to do harm to Mother Nature, Mother Natures Army will unleash the Forces of Nature upon the slave you will need to get to level 11.

Mother Natures Army. Coming to a your area soon.

PS. I've been compiling my own information over the past 17 years on the harm man is doing to the Eco System. Please don't belittle me by assuming that all I have done is read a paper and come up with my conclusions. The past 17 years have taught me that we are the guardians of a unique Eco system. And it is our responsibility to leave it to the future in a better condition than we were given it in. For this is the meaning of life. NOT $

I know what your saying Plato. Do you not agree though that Climate change is, in some ways, the same as Swine flu? (Sunday, January 24, 2010 - 05:10 pm)

nix001, lol i thought you would be the sort of person that would invite me to take this debate onto the battle field!, how does beating a noob prove your opinions right??? .iv read alot of your statements on other topics and you seem to try and talk like you are a REAL president of a REAL country!..its a game mate if you ensist on taking a c3 from me to prove your point(not that it does) i will GIVE you a c3 or my main if you really wanted it!because its just a game!!!!.
get a real life

All I want is for you to think before you speak.
In real life I'll debate until I'm blue in the face or my opponent walks away.
But as you rightly pointed out, this is a game, which means I can kick your ass for being such a donkey.

kick my ass at a game..ok sure! but face to face if you where to talk that shit till you were blue?..i would show you what an ass kicking is buddy! you must be american lol

American!!!! Where did that come from?

Actually Nix is in the UK?(I think but not American).. and I think if you actually met Nix you would shit your pants lol.

you dont know me boy! he already needs a friend for support haha

on what bases do think i would shit my pants? you meet nix001 and shit your pants?

serpent, my comment about nix being american came from his attitude,he didnt like my opinion so he wanted to invade my country!..doesnt that sound like an american attitude to you?

Ok. First Todezika, if you need to add something to your post during the hour after you posted it just click on the note pad next to the time of your last post.

Second. Due to being English I understand that sometimes I have to stand up for what I believe in. And as I believe that mans activities are destroying Mother Nature I will/have put my life on the line for Her survival. Your words have shown me that you have no concern about her well being. Therefore you are her enemy. And any enemy of Mother Nature becomes an enemy of mine. I have/will give you a chance to retract your statement for one of questions. But if you wish to stand by your statement I have no option but to challenge you and ultimately defeat you on the battlefield of wills.

Its not personal #cough#. It's just the way it is.

Also......If we were to meet face to face you would see from the scares on my face (from knife, bat, fist and shoe) that you couldn't show me anything new apart from putting me down for good.

Hi Crossdale. It's been a couple of months since I've logged onto GR. Are the Rat Pack still behaving?

Todezika, No, that doesnt sound like 'American' attitude to me, something else maybe, but not American. Obviously your assumption of Americans has been proven wrong. Nix isnt an American. So you are/were wrong.

But of course I'm not gonna assume your nationality and assume broad generalized sterotypes based on ignorance.

Hey Nix, yes all is well for now, thanks for your support. My aim now is just to be an SC Trillionaire lol. Hope all is well with you Nix.

Crossdale.

nix, how is fighting someone on a computer game sticking up for mother nature?..lol if you are that much of a tree hugger why dont you get off your computer a do somthing constuctive for mother nature with your green "research"? i can see why you would have scares from bats and fists.


serpent,well i guess your right i oppoligize for that sterotype comment.i should have said "American government attitude"....but doesnt the government represent the american people?

Try to avoid double posting, Todezika. It makes it harder to follow the thread.

You can edit your posts by clicking the notepad icon to the right of your post's time-stamp.

no problems

This is one of my public awareness projects. My project's have included years of ear bashing people on the streets, in pubs and anywhere else I find Mother Natures enemies. It has taken me to The Old city of Jerusalem, where I spoke to the people of God about Mother Natures plight. I have also set up web sites.

As for me doing something for Mother Nature..........I am a gardener, yet I get hay fever and am scared of spiders. I am also a tree surgeon who is scared of heights. I will only cut down dying and dangerous trees. I do not drive, when I'm cold I put on a jumper, I'm 85% veggy(I miss my MD double cheese burgers) and I only earn what I need to survive. I recycle everything I can and most of my property is second hand. Before I realised what man was doing to Mother Nature I wanted to be rich and have a family. For Mother Nature I have sacrificed my desires.

I was thinking about leaving this if you didn't make another post. But as you insist on making this as personal as possible I'm not going too. I'm going to make your game experience one of fear. I have all the time in the world to wait for you to try for level 11. And when you do I'm gonna mess it up for ya. Just how your actions are messing up our future generations Eco system.

War&Hardcore................Nix001
MNA