Jozi Chat, 30th of October

Wendy,

I've played many wargames. Just not here.

Yoda,
I bring up an example how a fair fight can turn into a mismatch. Why are you bringing up econ in this discussion?

More important: Where are all the new players voicing their opinions?

A fair economy runs a country and finances any war machine Maestro. You cannot be a warlord and fight without mastering economy first. I know the last war I had with Serpent cost us both possibly 30 - 50 trillion or more each in Weapons and ammunition.

What BlueSerpent is trying to say is if you run a good economy, you can purchase weapons you need and that includes defense. If you run a good economy you can offset the cost of running a very large army. We've had conversations where he was %80-100 active military with huge garrisons and bazzillions of air defense yet still turning a double digit profit. Everything you need to play simcountry is available to you if you take the time to learn and build properly. There is a time when laziness can't be substituted for ignorance. If you don't want to put in the effort, you deserve to lose or not fight wars at all. And even then, you can run a crappy economy and earn enough to pay for war protection for up to 9 nations with relative ease.

As long as a player can choose to play one world or more than one world, you cannot say a fight isn't fair. If you run a good economy, you will be able to afford other worlds and pay for them without swiping your card and buying ridiculous sums of gold coins.

To answer your question, economy is brought up in the discussion because it is the baseline for everything else the game offers. New players are proly busy learning how to play, and not interested in the conversation.

But this still misses the point. The example is two equal opponents on one world where one also has the weapons added from a second world coming in to tip the scale.

Why keep bringing in ecomomics. The players are equals on the world where the war will be fought.

Look at Germany in World War 1. If the United States doesn't enter the war, the war would have ended in a stalemate. Now add the United States into the mix and Germany is defeated.

Maestro, you're a pretty bad player. Keep quiet on the wargame or try setting up an actual defense.

Scarlet,

I've been quite for most of the discussion on the wargame updates. They don't effect me.

But the few times I make a comment, you veterans jump all over me.

This board should be free to all to give an opinion, even from an econ player.

The example I bring up is very real and relevant to the wargame discussion.

A pretty bad player? As a war player Yes. As an econ player maybe not but I will continue to voice my opinion on this board.

And I hope many more players will do the same. New and old players.


Regards,

Maestro

Scarlet,

One other thing. Take a look at the hits on your Church site.

Who do you think is driving the hits for you?

It's me.

I pass the link along to countless new players every week.

You calling be a pretty bad player. Perhaps I should call you Brutus.


Regards,

Maestro

You don't understand the extent to which your example is irrelevant. If you understood precisely how vast your ignorance of the subject was, you'd realize your fears are baseless. You can voice your opinion all you like, but that doesn't mean your opinion means anything.

There are no new players to post their opinions due to your whining and the whining of people like you.

Yes, I'm aware you aren't a war player. Yes, I was referencing your econ abilities. For someone identified as an econ player, you run a pretty bad economy... much like SuperSoldierRCP. All this whining is an excuse for your incompetence as a player. WP is cheap. Managing workers is easy. Running profitable corps is mindless.

You want to fight about it? Oh, wait...

EDIT:

As far as the Church site is concerned, I don't monitor hits except two or three times. As far as I know, 15 people have visited it in the last six months.

Lol, is this a war to see who has the worst reading comprehension? If so, I'd like to buy some WP. Maestro's point seems pretty astute and relevant to me.

Don't encourage him. He is being cynical. Why attempt to effect something that has no effect on you? He admits himself that the changes and or war game doesn't affect him. So why doesn't he shut up and play his game? There is always a hidden agenda. It is usually too late when you find out what it is, or his agenda is in this example.

As much as Scarlet and I differ on many things, he is completely right on this.

"There are no new players to post their opinions due to your whining and the whining of people like you."

And then there was Jebus!

"15 people have visited".... look at your own thread on the subject. You know the number is higher.

Since May or June over 100 new players have thanked me for passing along the Church site to them. I hope you keep up the site and add to it.

Regards,

Maestro

Wendy,

I'm sitting and waiting for the econ upgrades to come into play.

In the meantime, I'm stuck with your upgrades to read.

Regards,

Maestro

Thanks Jojo... I think....

Name 50 Maestro. You lie. We barely have players that can get a clue to read the forum, yet are so smart that they switch "auto joining" of the chatroom off? Any given day, we struggle to get more than 5 people in the chatroom at any given time. # or 4 are people who already have a presence in the game. I don't think 100 unique individuals have entered chat in the last 12 months. Unless you count all the nicknames I tend to use from time to time. But then again, those are me, not unique individuals. Personalities yeah, individuals... no.

Wendy,

It's not a lie. Along with the church site I usually send the Tatoo Priest site.

(Both sent as ingame messages to the new player, not in the chatroom)

One of the first players was a player named Decimes on WG back around April or May. He used the site as a guide to take three C3's.

I forget his name(Country name Seville on WG), another player in Barcelona Spain also took three c3's using the site as a guide.

I know you remember Jethro from LU. (I gave him the links) He had some real fun with the game on the war side.


Regards,

Maestro

Ok so...3? Out of 100? I giave you a %50 discount and this is what you come up with?

You know what Maestro, keep this up and you'll never become a Jedi, my young padawan.

Yoda and I are on the high Council. We are not pleased with your lack of progress, and ignorance of the force.

"We barely have players that can get a clue to read the forum, yet are so smart that they switch "auto joining" of the chatroom off? Any given day, we struggle to get more than 5 people in the chatroom at any given time. # or 4 are people who already have a presence in the game. I don't think 100 unique individuals have entered chat in the last 12 months. Unless you count all the nicknames I tend to use from time to time. But then again, those are me, not unique individuals. Personalities yeah, individuals... no."

My chat does not auto-load. Is it supposed to? because I never switched anything off and I'm new.

Just thought I'd add my $0.02 b/c I don't really know about the rest of the stuff haha!

Goodnight SimCountry.

Jozi chat or any public chat seems to make people shutter. Anything you say can and WILL be used against you. Anytime anyone makes a public comment they are subjecting themselves to public opinion whether good or bad. As mature adults we should be able to hear differences of opinion without having to "stomp" it out. Is it possible to agree to disagree sometimes? As for new players, there aren't any new players cuz who in their right mind has enough time and money to establish themselves on SC? I've been a member for working on a year now and am still confused half the time. Where are we coming from today people!! Plus, it's pretty scary once you realize how many "players" actually have enough influence to change the game rules as they need to. It kinda reminds you it doesn't matter how much you learn cuz it's all subject to change on an "as needed" basis to keep special players on the top. There is so much conflict of interest going on with people who personally know the GM out here playing against us who have blind folds on that you really get a taste of what seems like corruption and you don't wanna waste anymore time guessing. New players see that pretty fast and then SC feels like a gimmic and they roll their eyes and quit. This isn't my game so I can't make any changes either way and as a player I feel I shouldn't be able to make changes. Where's the challenge when all you gotta do is have a talk with the GM and the rules get changed in your favor? I think everyone should just send all their gold coins to ME..deposit them directly into my account and if you don't I'm WRITING THE GM!! haha

Nukepana

You are missing the point. All of them.

We are listening to players, whether they know it or not. we have always read the bits on the forum that gave us good response and info on what was working and what was not working. sometimes we were too busy and missed some.

we listen during the chats of course and we would like to see more response and are not afraid of hard talk.

but we are not making any features for one player or another. The truth is, we do not know who is in which fed and who is fighting or not.
we have no clue.

we are too busy with the game and with some other work that pays for the the time we spend on the game. too busy in fact. we should have much more time to work on Simcountry.

Most times I don't see the names when I response. Someone here mails me a large chunk of text and I read and decide to response or not to. Jozi sees none of the names.

we have no special relations with players and we listen to all. we cannot have our likes and dislikes and many will tell you, that they got a very detailed mail response following nasty bad worded attacks on us and on others.

the reasons are:
1. we don't know who is who and the mail addresses are not the same as the names on the forum.
2. we don't want to know.

Laguna is currently the moderator. He has done great work and we hope he will continue to do so if time allows and we are thankful for his help also on the chat.
you all know his opinions on some of the features. He contributes short messages, many times without any ideas on how to improve.
it is obvious that he has no special influence on the game.

We do get detailed descriptions of real bugs from time to time and we are thankful for that and we fix them all.
No special relation. ask Laguna.

On the advise we get, and ideas on the forum

we have found many good ideas here and implemented many.
we never implemented anything we thought was not good and never capitulated to anything.

we will keep making features only if we are convinced they are good.

the recent changes in the war game, that made war levels depend on the capacity of the war player to fight and win wars instead of depending on his capacity to purchase weapons, was born on the forum.

we have taken it, reformatted it to what we thought was the right thing to do and it is part of the game.

our first impression at the time was not good. then we discussed and decided to implement.

there are hundreds such cases and many more that were not implemented because we did not think they are beneficial for the game.

Simcountry was developed by our company and we had and have an idea of what it should be.
right or wrong, it is our game but we are eager to learn from anyone who is constructive.

I confirm it.

Yes they rejected Laguna's idea that I be made Supreme Empress of SC several times. If I could find the logs ....

At least we know Laguna luuvs me there is no denying that.

You're all confused and this just confirms it!

Nukepana, I have to say that, as I got to know the game I emailed the GMs from time to time about issues I perceived. Some of them were taken on board. Others not. But the main sense I get of how the GMs react to what I have said to them is that they evaluate my opinions in terms of the game, not in terms of any perception of my 'influence' (or not). If it's valid, they take it on board. If it's not, they don't.

My point is that it's not down to 'who' you are, but to what you say to them. Probably the players who have been around longer are listened-to more. But that is because they know the game better and can make more balanced and informed points, not because they are 'someone'.

The player-base is different and it is true that there are a lot of personal opinions bandied about on the forum and in chat. A lot of players ... not all of them by any means, but a fair proportion ... react to a post or a comment, not on the basis of what is said, but on who is saying it. Call it human frailty, but please don't accuse the GMs of that foible. In my experience, they are very successful in focussing on content to the exclusion of personality.

Of course, I have been playing the game a lot longer that you and that will probably cause you to put my comments down to being one of the people who 'personally know the GM'. In fact, I don't, and I have emailed them very few times ... about 15 in total. But until you are experienced enough to email them yourself, with a valid analysis of how the game works and objective suggestions on how it might be improved, you are unlikely get a positive response. Because it's based on content.

It's a lot easier to blame nepotism than to take the time to learn the subtleties and make a positive contribution. I suggest you understand the positives before you start accusing people of the negatives.

Hugs and respect

Jo

As the "NEWBIE" that I am, when I try to make a comment about concerns I have I get the usual "stomp out"..."oh shut up you don't know know what yur talking about cuz I'm just better than you" responses. Is it now my turn to come up with something witty?? No wonder new players keep their mouths shut or quit. I'm not a whining kind of person but if you really are fair and neutral then you shouldn't need to react defensively. Your actions will speak for themselves.

I was just like you Nukepana. These guys used to gang up on me, and we oftne took forums into the game and we duked it out. It takes time and sooner or later they'll respect your opinion as much as their own. It was a long road for me, I suspect you won't run into as much adversity. My pain was a more self inflicted kind. Good Luck, message me if you need anything.

hehe... too funny!