VOTE: Remove/change the War Level System (Kebir Blue)

(cracks fingers)

I'll clear up the issue with the nukes. Nukes really do no damage to the war index in my last war i was non stopped nuked from 13M to 5M and i never went past 90WI. The GM wants to prevent them from being the only weapon used but they not even an option to use they are really worthless to anyone except news who think there god. ALL nuke deaths should count toward the killed. If 90K people die then those 90K should count toward the civ pop losses. From then on you might see nukes on a capital, if tact's blew up a base and all units attached(like air wings or supply units) a % where destroyed and the rest returned would be nice, they they would be TACTICAL nukes and that would give you a bunch of WI points because military goods would count towards assets damage and then the Sec con would have something to watch over.

There's no difference between nukes either. It should be ...
Strats- level 3 fallout, Should be able to use airbases for global coverage
Nuclear missiles - lvl 3 fallout, do as much as a strat but only be 10KM range(another opition to save those strats)
Sub nuke- level 2 fallout leave as is
Tacts- level 1 should hit bases n do 100% damage and destroy a % of all units(and there weapons) attached to that based. This would mean if a player had all there fighter wings attached to 1based and it got tacted then there offensive forces are gone. This would mean more bases are needed and this would force players to spread out there army's. Also do some damage to civ targets
Chems- lvl 1 fallout. Should be allowed to hit land based(like LRD's)units killing a good number.

Since Tacts/chems are level 1 they should be allowed in sneak attacks. Add more sneak attack options and give the Sec con more to do.

-------------Nuke Rant over---------------
-------------War suggestion---------------
The issue with the levels is that people can hide for to long under them, giving them a longer time then most to keep building up or reducing the amount of war players.

MY SUGGESTION is simple

When the new player starts they are to be based on the war game levels(i mean game levels not war levels until level 3. After this they should have tested weapons been in a war and had an econ to back a small military. After that the game should offer a compromise. If a player chooses to be econ they can. It will forever block them so instead of war level 0 it says "Econ only", This protects them from PvP warring but will also block them from warring themselves(C3 or PvP). This should be a permanent choice once picked there's no going back(on that world at least). Right there the econ kids are happy and protected. After that if they dont choose econ only they play the full game and start @ war level 1 from there PvP warring starts 1-3/3-7.(fearless blue 1-7)(also when in a fed you can fight an enemy regardless of there level if you war decs kick in). Something to try to build on

I agree to a certain extent.

I disagree with this point:-

If a player chooses to be econ they can. It will forever block them so instead of war level 0 it says "Econ only", This protects them from PvP warring but will also block them from warring themselves(C3 or PvP). This should be a permanent choice once picked there's no going back(on that world at least).

I'd like to have the choice every 3 - 6 months to switch between the two. Choosing a side permanently seems a little...... cacophonous.

Manchu Airway has been committed 100% to shuttle industry. It is very expensive and utilizes all resources. Since war protection will be abolished, can we have time to;
1. sell all assets and convert to dollars? (Does game allow this?)
2. Destroy our countries & enterprises (by allowing debt on all companies at once) before this change takes place?

This game has been very relaxing & fun. - Manchu Foo

I like several of the suggestions here. I certainly agree that, at least, WL3 and up should be able to fight each other. Let the lower levels remain war-free for those who do not wish to engage in pvp warfare. Basically, WL0 would be all econ and WL1-2 would be for learning the ropes and preparing for battle. Warnings would need to be given to players though. I know I was leveled up to WL3 without notice and I had no defense prepared at the time. Maybe a pop up when a player first attempts to buy offensive weapons that C3 warfare can and will make your WL's higher.

I am not sure a continent is needed for econ or war. I have endorsed the idea because I don't think it is a bad one. It just may not be necessary if 3-7 can all battle each other.

If the GM is worried that warlords on level 7 will wait for someone to become a WL3 just to poach them, then maybe additional protections can be added. I like the idea of giving more time to prepare with the greater difference in WL's. What about giving a boost to the defender's defense if a higher level declares on them? It could be based on the difference in WL's also. So a 5 attacks a 4, then the 4 would get a slight boost in effectiveness of weapons let's say. But if a WL7 attacks and WL3, then the 3 would get a significant boost. If you attack anyone who is a higher level than you, then all is fair game and no help is given. So the noobs who get WL3 and then dec on their WL7 neighbor will get taught a quick little lesson.

Feds should definitely be able to help fedmates. Feds is a big part of what made this game fun.

Manchu Foo: No one has called for abolishing war protection. War protection is using GC's to extend the amount of time that your country cannot be attacked. Laguna is probably the only player here to remember a time when that was not offered. (I think it was not around when the game started.)

Many war players do not like the idea of free war protection via war levels. If you would read through this thread though, you would see many of those war players willing to compromise with WL's if some changes can be made.

The only thing that threating to leave the games makes you is a former player.

The focus here is only on war levels but lets not forget war peace. Misuse of war peace was a big problem as well in the past. Some veterans kept their meaty countries in war peace while only risking crappy c3's. And those C's were used for taking juicy targets.

When this war level thing gets sorted, this problem will return.

The continent idea replaces war peace. WP would be removed from the game. No one on the war continent can hide behide war peace.

If you have a war continent do you think anyone will have high pop countries with lots of assetts? I dont think so. So no one will go there to fight for swag.

War levels mean nothing except for protecting lower war level players from being attacked by a higher level. Also being war level 7 doesnt mean you are an experienced fighter, anyone can reach war level 7, it only has a few more defense set up compared to a war level 3.

The real problem with war these days is most players are afraid to lose a country(s). There are many players at war level 3 and there still isn't alot of wars happening. If people werent afraid to lose half decent countries dont you think there would be alot of wars on FB? The war world? FB is a ghost town like KB and how the other worlds are turning into.

Changing the war game rules again will change nothing.

@Keto

Definitely not the super tanker 100 million plus population countries. These countries are works of art. But if the war continent is full of 30-40 million population C3 countries people will move there and grab some for themselves. The cash market will soon be flooded with new country offers. And players new and old can quickly amass a sizable empire that can afford to wage war.

The new speed at creating/replacing an empire will drive more people to the war continent. The fear of losing a country while still there is diminished. (Loss a tit, buy a new one for 50 coin or take a new war continent c3...)

Cheers,

Maestro

Would the "war continent" require the entire empire to move there? Or just the empire slaves since the main would remain secured anyway? Or just the countries of that president's choice?

War Continent


Once you are at war level 3, you can move any of your countries there with a minimum population of 30 million.

There is no secure mode or war peace on the war continent. Only the standard blackout rules apply.

In war only countries on the continent can fight each other. You receive no air support from countries off the continent.

All your countries not located on the war continent are basically in secure mode regardless of their war level.

ok just clarifying. The read that post before as stating the whole empire had to move there. Choosing a country (or countries) is fine.

If such a scheme ever existed, that would render the world 'Fearless Blue' near to extinction.

@James

Every world would have a "Fearless Continent" with teeth.

Have you been on Fearless Blue lately? There are entire regions with almost no one in them. My region is Karina Canji on Paova Major. A total of 7 countries are claimed by 4 presidents. I have 4 of those countries right now and 3 of mine are just countries I am stripping for raids.

Maestro2000 has the best idea!
If I knew I had two huge countries in safe mode, I'd be willing to build some military companies and take a 40 Million pop country to war - just for fun. That way I could continue to enjoy climbing the econ ladder and also participate in war games. If I lose 40M population - who cares?

People who fight for 'swag' simply want free money, and don't want to work the econ game.

Destroying defensless econ players is lame & pathetic. A war continent will prove which players are real warriors & have skills - fighting PREPARED war countries or federations.

Come on Tom Morgan - Man up & fight other war countries, instead of pushing to bully defenseless players. Lets see what your made of.

the funny thing is that war levels are not match for all worlds. For example, on FB, an experienced war player at war level 7, and his other empires are at war level 0 on other worlds. that is me. hahhahahhaha.

I stopped buying population & ceased all expansion as soon as I read this post. No point playing seriously as long as there is threat of losing everything to idiot players who have accumulated vast armies & are demanding everyone play their game cause they are bored.

I vote for a war continent idea - OR that if war levels are abolished - that all weapons be wiped to zero for everybody - including all war corps - so we all start at zero war potential. Makes it fair.

Now, I don't know about wiping all weapons. Besides, you should still be safe if you stay in secure mode.

I will say this one last freaking time. Maestro, are you listening???

Feck the war continent idea. It would just be LRDs smashing into each other. No tactics....

If anything, set up an econ continent. It makes no difference to many econ players if they are right next door or on the other side of the world to their customers.

So...that makes a lot more sense...

I still not understanding why everyone is worried. Losing the war levels would bring back diplomacy, and make the game more engaging.

Reason econ players don't want war levels to dissapper they don't wanna pay the 40GC per month(5.5T) a real month for War protection.

The the beating around news is pointless propaganda built by the econ morons. Lets let the math points out the facts.

To win a war you need to blow up a round 130targets

That includes 100forts, 30cities/factories(based on a 15M C3).
Takes 2200Heavy artillery 2 attacks to blow it up.
2200artillery * 2(attacks) * 5(shells per attack) * 130targets = 2.96M shells

That's about 250B worth of ammo ALONE @ 100Q ammo. Granted you'll need more so you spend about 1T on ammo easy. Plus fighters, bombers, Trucks(they aren't cheap you know 2,000 trucks cost about 2B SC$). If you base a new has the def of a level 7 C3. Your still talking 3-4T BASE COST!!! just to take a shitty 13M pop nation. Why would you bother then you can war a C3 and make 12T profit? Plus even if the war levels where gone news would still get fed support. Doubling there defensive air force costing me 2times as much. Why war a new and spend 6T when i wont get it back? Hell i could spend 6T and make 36T for myself in C3 warring? Whats the point of kicking the new around? The hole war levels new kicking was created by the econ kids. Before anyone says i'm not allowed to say i can speak for the econ kids ive been a bean counter for 2years, so i can sit on both sides of this table. You econ kids have it good so stop whining. The moment the GM makes boycotts stronger, CM have purposeful, and add more direct ways to have economic warfare, make disasters mean something, you'll be singing the tune the war players are now. What you bean counters don't realize is the profit you could be making.

If they lowered the war levels to allow more warring you could stay in war level 0 and be fine.

Interceptor corp makes 60inters a year. If your like me and run 141% production that's 85 a year. Now if inters sold @ max price due to a lot of warring that's 500M PER INTERCEPTOR

85 * 500M = 42B a year when they get to where 370 is the max your talking a whooping 156.51B a year INCOME!!! Lets say you added 50 over Q as your sales strategy 180B. 75 over Q 191B. You could be making almost 200B a year off 1CORP!!!

30corps time 200B = 6T a year!!!
War players should kill to know they got 30corps supplying them with a brand new inter wing per month @ 370Q. Id love it.

Econ kids think less of getting free shit now and think of the long term. Is saving some cash now worth losing out on massive income later?

Cor, Tallisabeth, I do believe you have finally 'got it'.

+1 (at least 1).

If the econ players choose to sit on low war levels, then they will have to carry the huge cost of econ game levels.

As more people are climbing war levels and learning the war aspect, I think there is likely to be more wars but not vet raiders versus newbies or noobs who can't climb to higher war levels.

"War levels mean nothing except for protecting lower war level players from being attacked by a higher level. Also being war level 7 doesnt mean you are an experienced fighter, anyone can reach war level 7, it only has a few more defense set up compared to a war level 3." Keto

Words of wisdom from an elite war level player.

I think it's a good start though rather than going straight into war.

This way, econ, learning and war players play side by side.

I'm going through the war levels now and I'm learning about the way weapons respond and numbers etc.

I was going to sit in lower war levels for a while until I realised it cost too much to obtain the higher game levels.

Players are being encouraged down the war level route.

To get to higher levels you have to maintain a cash balance of a number of quadrillion. Many will realise war is a cost worth facing.