W3C - Game News Feb. 6

i've tried that crafty, i really have.

Crafty is no better than Wendy in that regard, Josias, as far as harrassment/abuse.

I am going to recount a conversation that he and I had yesterday. Now you know I got kinda snippy with Crafty in the forum the other day........and this is how he wishes to retaliate:

I popped in chat yesterday to cut up while I was waiting during my 3.5 hr layover at airport. I was telling a story of how I made a fool of myself at my work cafeteria on Monday. They served neck bones as an entree for lunch. Well I had never heard of such and was gagging and saying ewwy and going on about it. There were huge bones sticking up out of the meat!! Everyone at cafeteria was laughing at me...people of all nationalities. Then I told chat that my friend that was with me whispered to me that it was a special in celebration of Black History Month in the states. Well I didn't know, and I had made a fool out of myself. lol I ended my story in chat by saying "people {in general...not black people} eat such weird things." After all, Crafty and I on many occasions in chat have shared my aversion to Black Pudding, Haggis and other gross stuff. No issues were made of that.

For having said this yesterday, I was called down in chat by Crafty for making, and I quote, a racist statement. I thought he was joking, because there was nothing racist in what I said. Well I take offense at this and especially because he was acting the "twat" (to use his british slang) because he was put out with me.

Well I don't take too kindly of being accused of something that I didn't do or to be referred to as being racist, because I am nothing of the sorts. So I approached him in a PM to ask if he was serious, and he replied yes. Well because I was upset over his unfair statement, he proceeds to heap further insult by telling me that I am "losing it" and need to go see a doctor to get help. Since he called me Jan, I can only assume that this was a personal insult.

I'm sorry this is uncalled for. This is what I have fought against in this game for years. It infuriates me, and it has no place here. I'm sorry Crafty, you have no clue about me. Furthermore I work for doctors, internationally renowned ones who travel all over the world about their research. So I think that if I were mental, I wouldn't have such a reputable job with reputable people.

So while the "high and mighty" Crafty sits back and says anything about anyone in this game, he needs to evaluate his own behavior. I have smacked in this game, most recently Wendy, but never have I used these sorts of tactics to fight or get back.

As I have said, I have come to this game to laugh and have fun, but as a result of yesterday, I just don't wish to contribute any more.

I do appreciate all the sweet notes and messages I have received in here and ingame. Thank you for making me feel like I did make a difference in the chat and forums. But I have to thank all of you for the smiles and laughs YOU game me, and I am really really going to miss you. We have some really nice, fun personalities here.

Now for the sake of the game and the community, some game vets need to lose their arrogance and this righteous feeling that they have that they "own" this game and can say and do as they please. New players who don't understand this attitude will quit or run away.

I wasn't going to state why I was leaving, but I think now that it is important that people know.

OMG... *facepalm* on all fronts.

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An essay with very little to stand on. I told you she acts this way with anyone who disagrees with her on anything. Suddenly they become abusers and whatever else the mind has the power to conjure.

CC, the difference between myself and Josias, is what he defines as risk, is no risk at all. This is of course self serving.

I know what my tactics do and I am in no rush to use them on anyone. I will however, defend myself how I see fit, especially in an effective and efficient way as possible.

The point of my post even after his was, this feature is being misused. I am not asking for it to go away, I am asking for it to not be misused.

The same has happened for war protection as mentioned above. You can't toggle it on or off, the way you used to. Same for c3 warfare, and for just about any other aspect of the game they don't prefer.

Funny thing is, even after they get their wish, Josias and others like him wish me to sidestep the solution they were given, because when I put them on the ropes again, they will only ask for more protections. I stated I don't wish to use the war levels, they went up the war levels wherever possible. This is coincidence? Nah, they don't want any problems. They want to whine their way to victory when they cannot outnumber or out skill their way to one. This as old as I have been playing the game with each and every one of them.

When they dropped Armies out of the sky with no personnel in place to use the weaponry, was that not abuse? How much was gained through that exploit? You never hear that crowd complain of any foul play there do you? No, it is all one sided until it is them on the ropes, then it is abuse.

Same with Jan, as soon as you don't butter her cup enough, you're an abuser, a problem, and what the fuzz ever. That is just about as good an example as one could display. I told you, and boom there it is Andy.

I'd like to stay on topic of the many players that agree, there is no good reason for the secrecy of blackout periods, especially if they are intended to be used to avoid being conquered while you sleep or at work. I didn't attack anyone, I gave an example of misuse. I offered a few practical solutions.

To address Crafty's concerns with my suggestions: If you disagree with a contiguous blackout period, then certainly making them public to the attacker or making them uniform across the account whatever they are set to certainly doesn't undermine that idea of leaving the freedom to choose how to use blackouts, even if it is an obvious example of misuse.

Dear Crafty,

Because I raise issue on something that I don't agree with, I am a so called "nut case"? Is this what you, Wendy, Lord Lee dole out just because someone argues a point with you in the game? Such a childish retort in an argument.

You are supposed to be a mature 50ish year old man. Wendy and LordLee I can understand, as they are kids to me in my perspective, given my age, and they didn't address me by my real name.

You, I actually held to a higher standard. I always regarded you as fair and someone to respect in this game. Now I put you right there with Wendy and her childish insults and tactics.

Furthermore, are you certain to what degree my anger is on this side of the computer? Can you hear anything, see my facial expressions? Then how do you know if what I am typing is being screamed, yelled or what not? YOU DON'T. I do possess the ability to get angry. I think we all do, but that doesn't qualify a person as needing help. ha ha ha ha

You want to argue a case of semantics that you addressed the chat in general "no racism in chat." Well I was the one doing the talking. Darcus, Aries, Hezzy, you all were present, was Crafty talking to you???

Furthermore, who ARE you, Crafty? Despite your attempts to contact the GMs about volunteering as a game moderator, I don't believe the gamemasters have bestowed this privilege upon you. Now I have to raise a brow as to perhaps why they haven't. Maybe they know something we don't know.

And after this debacle, I don't think you are qualified to do the job as you obviously do not possess the ability to be fair and you issue out personal un-called for insults. This is behavior not befitting a moderator role.

So right above in this post you address me by name, and try to diagnose me? Did you go to medical school, specialize in psychiatry even? Do you have credentials behind your name? I didn't think so. I work for educated people with credentials behind their names. I have credentials behind my name. So don't even begin to state that you are qualified to determine if I need "help" or not. You are a layman, not a medical doctor or psychiatrist. You do not know me outside of the words that you see typed in this forum or in the chat. If your wife observed you, she observed you in person. You have never witnessed me in person, so that argument doesn't really hold water, now does it?

As for being the person I once was? I don't really think I have changed. I have always come in here, laughed, joked, posted, engaged players in conversation. I have always spoken my mind and if I feel like I or someone was wronged, I have spoken up.

You see the problem here, is you and Wendy and some of the vets are sooooooooooooooo arrogant, you are "above" anyone trying to point out that what you are doing might be wrong. But you sure do dish it out, don't you???

I accepted your admonishment in the forum, relative to Wendy, and that I may have overstepped. Again, where were you and your commentary the thousands of times she has done so? Selective, aren't you?

I hope that this community sees what a jerk you can be. This, in my opinion, is un-called for. The above post is even more uncalled for than the conversation you and I had in private yesterday. I will report it to the gamemasters for it has no place here. It is this sort of behavior that ruins the game, ruins the chat, ruins the forum.

I have received in game messages from several players asking me not to leave, but honestly, I don't know if I want to be a part of this any more. I can only shake my head at you. I would say that the mental problem lies more with a player who just can't offer a simple apology for being wrong, but you will never admit that, will you?

Well I will end with offering my apology to anyone in this game that feels like I have wronged them. You see, I'm not above admitting being wrong. You should try it, Crafty.

And for the record, she's not leaving. If so, she would have left already. What is this the 7th time in as many weeks?

I hope you stick around.

Today, Chris Christie took offense to the White House doctor calling him out on the unhealthiness of his obvious obesity. Chris Christie took to the media calling her out on it, supposedly.

Instead of getting all upset at the accusation, the White House Doctor says, you don't necessarily even have to be a doctor to see something is obviously wrong there.

I know it doesn't relate to anything in this thread but you know. since we are going for a record derail of a thread that actually has to do with the game some of us are actually playing, what the hell :s

The game master should just ignored Wendy's war advice at this point. If anyone exploits the game it be her more then anyone.
Please Wendy tell me?
How is taking a 10M pop country then using it to nuke fair? How is this fair Andy?
Should she be allowed to us a 10M pop nation with no assest to attack a country with 30or40M nuke them so they lose millions and cost them Trillions? In the end I would lost trillions and millions of population. In the end the only way to stop her would be to take the nation which means I lose more assists then she does, hardly seems fair.

Just cause I love Wendy and I want to help her game ID like to propose the following Andy.
When attacking the declaring nation MUST have the following
- The min pop needed to transfer between countries(right now that's 20)
- The nations indexes must be of at least 100(not including employment)
- The country should have a few trillion in assests. Not counting corporations values.
- With Bombers being contract only why can she buy nuke bases freely either make bombers able to be bought on the world market, or make nuclear bases contract only aswell

You know what Wendy, my 12 and 13-year-old godchildren are more mature than you. I'm sorry I can't relate to you and what you say, it's like dealing with an incoherent toddler.

Perhaps I should stay and bring out my inner child and entertain you. ha ha ha ha ha

Enjoy your game, Wendyloo. lol

Oh noes... was that a personal attack?!?!?! ANDY!!!

Maybe, maybe not. ha ha ha ha ha ha

Simple concept Super even you should understand.

A 30-40 million pop country should under no circumstances should come under duress from a c3 that is ONLY lobbing nukes.

And if it does, the owner of said country should rethink his or her position in playing the war game and master econ instead. If you cannot put up an adequate nuke defense when a player is obviously going to launch nukes, then yeah, you need to find another angle. Enterprising, or staying out of politics that lead to war.

Tell me Super, do you really get that?

Super you still don't get a lot about this game.

Why do you assume I need to buy bombers? I produce and stockpile them like everyone else. You are aware you are only a single war level out of my reach and out of war protection.

Your outbursts are an example of knowing when and when not to antagonize. The day you help me I'll quit simcountry furrealz yo.

this is my point Andy

Why should all she have to do is make a few airwings and buy a nuke base then start non stop nuking when in order for me to protect against her nukes I'd have to protect and spend assets for defending dozens of targets. I'd spend more the what the nuke costs to defend one target.

If your going to make up war levels and all this stuff you need to eliminate these underhanded tactics what I proposed above is fair and wouldn't limit the war game in anyway a what so ever

Also Andy

When it comes to the Q boost from consumer goods, I looked if my total costs tripled, based I bought 300q, I'd spend around 450b a month, I'm not sure that would increase my production enought my income would have to double then some for me to be making a positive income. if I may suggest an idea, not only should these higher Q good help your welfare but use a bit less.
Maybe using 300Q you use 30% less?
that would mean instead of using 450b of goods I'd use 330b
this means my production should only need to see 30or40% increase instead of doubling. Bring back an old suggestion I don't see why a player can't have 200 or even higher corporation production.

I 1million times support this update in my opinion. I thinks his kind of update needs to happen all at once, not over time

I agree with Super's idea about some type of declaration requirements. However, I would add an exception to a country that has belonged to the same player for a certain term of years. Say if you own the country for 20 game years or such then you can avoid any index requirements.

This is similar to the delay in the ability to nationalize corps for a new player to prevent a far less damaging activity.

I have a good suggestion for andy.

during a C3 war you see the country is negitive in construction, This is needed for rebuilding ECT.

Id like to suggest the following.
After a C3 war(non PVP) after the war the stock is pushed back up to a positive number and life begins anew.
During a PvP war however the number stays. Should they player keep or dispose of the nation there should come a price. If the country is short on lets say meat, oil, construction. They game would push those negitives up to a positive number, but it should come from the losers funds.

Lets say player A attacks player B
Player be wins taking Player A nation.
Player A is short on construction and oil. The Game should take the SC$ vaule from the main country of that player to pay for the cost of goods. Meaning Player B would gain the nation plus a clean slate. This would be most effiective in C3 warring or even boycotts. During a boycott the president would have to sign contracts to keep the goods in a positive slate or suffer problems later, Should the boycott end the country will auto buy all goods needed maxing spending space until all goods are postive.

This would help limit C3 warring and make the boycotting system MUCH more important when trying to fight an economic warfare senario. This would also help long term when Q has more effects in nations allowing players to have more reasons to become more selfsufffient

Lor' no one called you a nut case. Seeing as how you work for these senior doctors you should realise that drepression is common after what you have been through. Nut case is a politically incorrect term. A mental illness is just like any illness, a cold, or diabetes or a blood disorder. The notion of it being some great secret to be hidden to avoid any stigma is so old. I openly admit having had mental issues after treatment for my failed liver. My wife made me talk about it, and I got sorted.

As for moderation. Any moderated chat has far stricter rules than a call for no racism. It doesnt matter if you thought I was wrong, anyone else would have said shut up or mocked me or something. But you have now made a public spectacle of yourself over the issue. And it's something you have done a lot of recently. Hence my suggestion you seek advice.

Now, again, rest, stop thinking about people you havent even met and have no part in your real life. Have your break. DO IT! and stop keep posting back here and winding yourself up even more. Peace be with you.

Crafty,
Please refrain from telling Lorelei she needs mental help. What she said could have been taken into racism but it was no intent to do so. Lorelei isnt the type of person to go out and make fun of blacks. Im friends with a lot of black people and some of them didnt even think it was racist. Weather it was ment that she was being racist (which i dont think she ment to) or weather she didnt mean it in a racist way, you dont go out and tell her to go see a doctor. I dont know if your mom didnt teach you how to respect a woman, but my mom did for damn sure. My family would kill me if i ever said that to a women. I was learned to let them get the last word lol. And yes, in real life, i respect woman more than men. If you repect woman then you tend to have a better love life (unless you like guys and i have no problem with gays since my cousin is gay). Im married to a beautiful wife and i have 2 one of a kind kids. How did i get there? I respected women and i expect you to do the same. So lets see, you told Lorelei to go to a doctor and now shes leaving because of your rude comment. Unless theres something screwed up in your mind, you dont go out and tell a women to get checked. Thats just like telling a girl shes ugly right to her face. Lorelei is my friend and i will back her up weather shes here or not no matter whats at sake. You hurt her, i hurt you. Well i hope you Crafty learned your lesson for today.

Oh and Super, 2 nuke def missiles are 3.62B, 1 strat bomber is 8.5B, + 9.5B for the bomb. 300Q will still have the same ratio of price. So defence is not more costly than the attack. I would say it's a good idea to have a nuke def in place regardless of if wendy was here or not.

But the persistant harassment thing does seem to be a problem. I certainly cant/wouldnt fight off endless C3s. I lost the only country I have ever lost, to a C3 on FB, because I wasnt/couldnt be there to fight it off. Thats my fault, it was the one and only C3 that attacked me. perhaps a limit on the amount of new countries that can attack one country in succession is needed. Like 1 country would need to be 1 year old, 2 countries would require a 4 year average, 3 countries a 9 year average, or some such formulae.

crafty, do you know what you call a country running 2 NDB per gar?

a crater

nowa days, you needs at least 4 times that, minimum. plus, you must also have something else in your gars, or your country will glow free of charge.

not to mention, thats ONE nuke, how many targets must be defended? allot more than one!

but yes, you should defend it anyway.

Crunch, keep out of it. I didnt suggest she get mental help for possibly saying or not saying something racist. For the record, no, I am certain Lorelei would not and did not mean it to be racist. Like she said, me and her have laughed about our particular food habits.

I suggested Lorelei talks to someone about how she reacts to such incidents. There have been several recently. Witness Wendy, Josias, wild/jess whoever (who hasnt played for months but Jan still gets upset about).

And you seem to be yet another one stuck in the dark ages thinking there is something terribly wrong with having mental issues. There isnt. It doesnt mean dribbling, muttering shells of people shuffling around victorian corridors in straight jackets.

BTW, if you are concerned about a friend, than yes you DO go out and tell them to check it out. Maybe thats the difference between your upbringing and mine.

And...( I'm getting tired of correcting you ) Lorelei has said she was leaving the game several times before this last thing happened. I have known Jan on here a lot longer than you sunshine.

So hush. Dont yelp your opinion until you know what you are talking about.

Oh, and +1 for sticking up for a friend.

I know me and you never really talked before and i apologize but i was raised to defend a friend no matter what the danger lays ahead. And you shouldnt suggest Lorelei to go see a doc. You know everything you say, she takes into heart. If you have a issue keep it to your self. I mean im not trying to be rude but if you know she takes that stuff seriously, you shouldnt say it at all or at dont tell her. I mean what would you do if i went up to a girl you were friends with and tell her to get mental help because shes saying something racist. And i know there isnt anything wrong with having mental as i have many friends that have disorders and issues with their mind and i dont treat them differently. And she might have said that many times but nothing ever escalated this and that case i would leave too if i were. You cant blame to poor women

NDMB can be destroyed you need at least 5 per garrison plus you need about 5 missiles per so in total you need about 5batteries and 25missiles from there you can do the math, plus you gotta garrison atleast 30targets and that's in the lower pop nations, I think in my 160m nation I have we'll over 50 cities alone

Er, last I checked, 2 NDM still took out a strat bomber. (Q ignored). And if you want to add in the stealth factor, then the attackers expenses rise a lot too. But I bow to your superior knowledge of the new war game.

Anyways, my point still is, it's wrong to try to suggest these changes based on money. One must learn to adapt. What should be discussed is whether it is wrong to take advantage of things that a player cant control in game, like being available to defend 24/7 for a week.