Enterprises (Kebir Blue)

One Theory I have as to why there is widespread under performance in terms of profits of late is high services and factory maintenance unit costs, these corps have been performing well and as these are used in nearly every factory high prices in these goods would drain the profit margins of nearly all other corps. (My comments about the perceived performance and high prices of services and factory maintenance units apply only to Little Upsilon because that is the only world I play on, the others are much too slow paced for me to enjoy).

Thanks guys. I am making profit now in all 3 of my enterprises now. Its just sad that the choice of good corps has shrunk to just a few. And the sudden drop in profit in some corps is just nuts. True, you could ride it out and see, but in the mean time its costing trillions if you invested in alot of these long standing profit making corps that was effected by this. I still have a bunch of non profit hasbeens to see what happens, but i have enough winner corps to makeup for there losses. Its just the enterprise bussiness has realy turned ugly in the last few months and doesnt seem to be getting any better.

I was surprised and checked:

The total profit of all the corporations in these 3 enterprises was 1000B in the last game month. about 7GCs. The graphs show good, fluctuating profits in the past 12 game months.

These amounts are not automatically booked to the enterprise. they remain in the corporations and can be moved out or automatically moved out at some point.
Enterprise cash can change by many factors, if the corporate profit is not moved out, the enterprise can look like it is losing money.

always check the last line on the financial report of the enterprise.
it shows the total profit or loss of all the corporations.

that line is deceptive

i remember a really large enterprise, boasting over 2T monthly profit, after enterprise tax, my ceo that was half the size, was making 80% the profit.

it doesn't take into account country taxes. and public corporations that a small percent are owned... it shows the full amount of profit, and the enterprise is taxed the full amount, while making less than the pay out, from profitable corps...

i've even seen corporations pay cash for direct sale, then have the total loss (which included the cost of supplies) subtracted, a second time from the cash. i haven't payed close attention recently on that one, but i noticed it with my shuttle corps. after i IPOd them, they were showing year over year profits, but their cash kept going down, and they eventually failed, even thou they were reporting making money. the sales exceeded the yearly costs, while the cash level continued to decline, and i had to rebuild my entire shuttle program. and a secondary problem i had with IPOd shuttle corps, they'd make profit payments, but none of the share holders got any money!!!

the bottom line, in the enterprise financial page, is not the bottom line. the cash flow, up or down, is the bottom line. their is allot of information in corporation pages, that just doesn't add up.

and while its on my mind...

W3C stated that they wanted successful corps to be able to be IPOd, and seem to judge the success of a corp on their market value. how ever, the market value of a corp can out run the profits, so that very successful corps no longer meet the PE requirements of IPOs!! thats off subject, but thought id throw that out while i'm thinking about it

The bottom line is indeed not equal to the total profit made by the enterprise but taxes are low, financial services are gone and the numbers are close.

The corporate market value is derived from the profit over the last period.
Both market value and PE ratio depend on the profitability of the corporation and are good indicators for an IPO.

With the increasing value of game money, we might reconsider the required market value. I will recheck both requirements.

I don't get it. I always believed that CEOs were more profitable than countrys, but I'm making solid back-to-back losses. With 117 corps, I am making only $57B profit total. Thats TINY! Some countries make $200B a month with 100 corps. Whats more, that is the highest total profit I have ever made.
I think that CEOs have been neglected for too long- while countries got flashy and neat new homepages, we still have the old one. It seems here that enterprises are becoming less profitable.

I don't see what's wrong with making 57B a month profit in your enterprise with only 117 corps.

If you want morte profit, you need many more corps like the big enterprises have.

Get building and buying!

ya.. but the problem now is you USED to have realy good long standing profit making corps that now all of a sudden make below profit, even though the market is deep in the red, and no matter what you try, they wont make a profit. Has anyone even looked at there chem corps? Whats next.. ? electricity? services? Explain this...

https://sim02.simcountry.com/cgi-bin/cgi2nova?SN_ADDRESS=wwwCountry&SN_METHOD=w3graph&miTable=corphist&miKey=3103520&miColumn=vCorpMonthProfit


compared to


https://sim02.simcountry.com/cgi-bin/cgi2nova?SN_ADDRESS=wwwCountry&SN_METHOD=w3graph&miTable=corphist&miKey=2051021&miColumn=vCorpMonthProfit


this is odd dont you think? a small decrease in sallaries of 5% would do that.. yet all other critereas mathach.. 100% employment.. someleft.. supplies "OK" ect..

I understasnd.. none of the above corps of the same type are making a profit.. but why did one them take a dive so fast? its kinda making a point here...

Now, tell me WHY Andy? WHY did this particular PROFIT making corp die this fast? what was "tweaked" in the numbers, and whats next on the chopping block?

My corps are loosing money too I had a 1,700$ corps now its down to 136$.

What is going on here?!?!!?!?

Production has been reduced slightly several times recently in a lot of corps. I'm not sure if it's all types, but take FMU for example. A couple of weeks ago they were producing 790 per month. Now it's 780. Household products were 282,500, now they are 250,000 etc.

This may not be the sole reason for profits going down, but it must be a contributing factor.

Hugs and respect

Jo

what about the price of the products?
revenue did not change.

Homerdome

Your profit in the past game month was
1.762.356.112.245
what exactly is the problem?

If you have any specific problem, you can mail the gamemaster and we will look into it.

birdstwin

Your profit is 5.358.875.996 in the past game month.
this is not so bad for a relatively new free player.

As you see andy, its been a few days since i posted last. The problem is that i had to close a pile of corps (that used to be profitable) to make my enterprise profitable. In one of my enterprises i needed to pay out at least 30T penalty fees for closing corporations that, for as long as I have played the game, always made money. Chem corps became like fruit corps. Nothing you do will make it profitable. They where losing tons of cash. I see now that they are now actualy making a profit now, but no where near where they used to be.

Are enterprises worth the hassle these days? Besides the fact there tied in with game levels and you need 1 for that all important level 5. On a pure profit basis they dont seem worth it?

Take the top ceo on LU for example. The guy has almost 1600 corps. A huge amount but he's only making between 50B-150B per month. Alot of the other top players are similar.

Now I look at that with my 200 ceo corps and think screw that. If that's the kind of investment needed for those returns then I wont bother.

Anyone else feel the same or have I got I horribly wrong?

If you think, 60B a month is 1GC a month, or 6GC a day. 1GC to pay for the ent means 5GC profit a day, could be 10GC if your making $120B/month, 150/300GC a real month, not too shabby really.

Well when you put it like that I guess it doesn't seem to bad. It's just getting to that stage that bothers me. I've got 200+ corps atm and I still cant make a profit. It never used to be that hard.

you also get what you pay for. if you put your corps in your countries, and increase salaries for production, your ceo will seem less profitable.

if you run a moderate salary range, remaining competitive, but keep it as low as you dare. the lower you run your sals, the more you'll need to watch your corps.

shrug

although a way to sell corps via direct trading... i mean, your going to invest at least a GC into a new corp, why not shop for corps with GC, from willing sellers? that'd be kinda cool

it could even be limited to CEO's and "estates," creating an incentive to sell pats of your country... shrug

I'm making $240B with 720 corps, so that's like $67B at 200 corps. Josias would be doing way better scaled to 200 corps last I checked.

That guy with 1600 corps? I'd be making $530B if my enterprise were scaled up to that many corps. Josias would be doing even better, haha.

Anyway, the thing is that you gotta be clever to make money. Enterprises aren't an easy gravy train anymore.

Got any tips then Mizore?

I've actualy looked to see if buying corps for GC,s were possible. I agree Josias it would be cool.

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Yeah, $40B per month is possible with 100 corps. Did it with my second.

Basically, you're going to need to use some form of supply quality averaging to earn the big bucks. Pick the appropriate strategy with the appropriate corporations and you're good.

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