Iran (Little Upsilon)

*shock*

The sheer ridiculousness of these statements make me weep for the future. No wonder incompetent fools get elected off one word slogans and oratorical skill rather than intelligence and foresight.

#shock#

Scarlet posts something that has nothing to do with the thread.

#thinks its because I used the name General Booboo# ;)

So Scarlet. Are you gonna enlighten me with which statements are 'sheer ridiculous'?

I'm also guessing your a Brit as you brought the elections into it.

Well said Scarlet. I second the notion that some of the things posted here are absolute ridiculousness. Especially the statements about 9-11.

Actually Scarlet, the part about our weapons, guns rifles, ammunition, tanks, etc being lined with depleted Uranuim is indeed true, this was highlighted on the military channel. The reason is so that we don't leave weapons lost in the enemy hands and it would adversely affect them if they held on to said weapon for a prolonged amount of time for study of our weapons tech. Not sure which part you think is ridiculous.

No, I'm fully aware of the use of depleted uranium. I believe, however, I heard that it was used in the bullets for the increased penetration ability. Maybe it's both or I am wrong? In either case this isn't what I take issue with. There's a good reason for doing it in either case.

I'm an American, by the way. I like freedom, justice, and the American way!

The ridiculous part is:
New World Order
hold-out countries
tyrant state of Israel
9/11 being supported by the US government
RFID chip conspiracy

My point is that conspiracy theory stuff like that is what gets incompetent morons in ANY country elected, although Obama happens to be the moron of choice here. When the populace fails to approach things rationally, they fail to vote for capable people. This is the weakness of democracy. Consider which statement is more far-fetched:
1. We were attacked by radical Islamic terrorists that have declared holy war upon the West because they vehemently disagree with our society on a basic level.
2. Our own government, under the guise of radical Islamic terrorists, has killed its own people for no purpose other than the gain of money and power for a shadowy corporatocracy.

If you look at the actions that the US government has taken since 9/11, I would STRONGLY doubt these would be the actions of some sinister plot at money and power. What with these actions being primarily UNILATERAL, IDEALISTIC, and EXPENSIVE. If I were in charge of some world conspiracy, I would find it much more effective to:
1. choose a far more organized, independent, widespread, and dangerous enemy to demonize and eventually attack. China/N. Korea is the ideal candidate.
2. organize a true coalition that brings NATO, SEATO, Commonwealth, and CIS nations together.
3. secretly buy off petty, self-serving dictators such as Saddam Hussein and Hugo Chavez.

If there were some conspiracy going on, then it would be a VERY poorly executed one. The hard facts give all signs that the official story is (unbelievable enough as it is!) on where you have two fundamentally opposed worldviews coming into violent contact.

The ridiculous part is:
New World Order
hold-out countries
tyrant state of Israel
9/11 being supported by the US government
RFID chip conspiracy

Oh *wake UP! brother* It's all real!

You forgot the North American Union, and the Amero Currency? <------REAL (Same as the Euro and European Union) Not many thought that was going to happen either, even as the docs were being drawn up)

What is ridiculous is how no one is paying attention.

*CONSPIRACY!!!!!*

Scarlet has been compromised!!

I look at everything and see one thing: self-interested groups acting out of self-interest.

Business interests pushing forward pro-business agendas. Regional economic cooperation is no indicator of deep NWO conspiratorial plots only of groups interested in reducing barriers to trade. (Personally, I'm a protectionist though.)
National interests pushing forward national agendas. Israelis would naturally want to protect their homeland, just as Palestinians would. Naturally, the US government would vest its interest in the democratic, friendly, Western nation over the ones that would destroy the entire West if possible.
Religious interests pushing forward religious agendas. Honestly, is it so hard to believe that Islamic extremists were capable of pulling of a large terrorist attack when we had our guard down? Assuming the government was responsible for 9/11 needs a degree of competence and secrecy that the US government has NEVER proven capable of. The far more likely, reasonable, and supported conclusion indicates that Islamic extremists and US intelligence's incompetence were directly responsible for 9/11.

I have seen alot of programs about 9/11. But the only thing that struck me as being strange was that apparently alot of Jews didn't show up for work at the WTC that day. My information might be wrong, but its something I've heard from different sources.

I've just dug this out:

New York City has 11 letters.
Ramsin Yuseb (The terrorist who threatened the Twin Towers in 1993) has 11 letters.
'George W. Bush' has 11 letters
New York is the State # 11
The first plane crushing against the Twin Towers was flight #11
Flight # 11 was carrying 92 passengers Adding this number gives us: 9+2=11
Flight # 77 who also hit the towers, was carrying 65 passengers Adding this: 6+5=11
The tragedy was on September 11, or 9/11. Adding this: 9+1+1=11
The date is equal to the emergency number 911. Adding this: 9+1+1=11
The total number of victims inside the planes were 254: 2+5+4=11
September 11 is day number 254 of the calendar year: 2+5+4=11
After September 11, there were 111 days more to the end of the year.
The tragedy of 3/11/2004 in Madrid also adds up to: 3+1+1+2+4=11
The tragedy in Madrid happened 911 days after the tragedy of the Twin Towers.

Meaning of the Number Eleven in the bible:

If ten is the number which marks the perfection of Divine order, then eleven is an addition to it, subversive of and undoing that order. If twelve is the number which marks the perfection of Divine government, then eleven falls short of it. So that whether we regard it as being 10 + 1, or 12 - 1, it is the number which marks, disorder, disorganization, imperfection, and disintegration.

In occult numerology, the number 11 is the first Master Number and represents a dark vision. Also in Astrology and basic Numerology, the number 11 is the Master Number.


I'm thinking that maybe the powers that be are no longer constrained by the boundaries of countries for they now consider the world to be their domain. Meaning countries no longer mean anything to them. They now consider us to be citizens of their world. Equal.
There for being American or British will no longer keeps us safe from the atrocities which have been done and are still being done in the name of globalization.

Plus, whats so hard to believe that the Zionists might also have played a part in making 9/11 happen so the American people would have a reason to lock down the Middle East, in-turn creating the situation needed for the Zionists to continue with there ethnic cleansing program in Palestine and East Jerusalem? Which will then lead to the take over of the Old City and the conformation that Jerusalem is the Capital of Israel.

To me its a toss up between the Illuminati or the Zionists, either with the help of the FBI. Or maybe they are all in-it together.

Scarlet is making sense, that means she is apart of the cover-up from Illuminati!

Nix, the problem with your thought process is that you can take any event that ever happened in the world and then translate any number of facts about that event to make it seem like a conspiracy.

Your information isn't so much "wrong" as you said, its just that it is twisted by people who have a need to either
A-need to have an explanation for everything that happens in the world
B-have a need to believe there is always a larger mechanism at work that is calling all the shots. e.g. a mass conspiracy.

For example, your statement that "Jews didn't show up for work on 9/11"? Think about the actual details here for a moment. Do you really think that all Jews in NYC were notified in advance to not show up for work for a certain day? Now, I have no idea how many Jews actually worked in the WTC, however it seems a little far fetched that probably hundreds of people were called and told to not show up for work. If you were one of those people, wouldn't you ask why? After the fact, wouldn't you bring up the point to the authorities that hey I received a call from some unknown source telling me not to go to work and then this tragedy occurs? Oh wait, they wouldn't have done that because these hundreds of "Zionists" were part of the conspiracy, right.

Getting to your point on the number 11, again I fall back to my previous statement anyone can take a number of facts and translate it to fit their need.
- Flight "11". Well, what about Flight 77? Why do you accept the flight number of the first plane, but not the second?
- New York is State #11? What about Pennsylvania? Washington DC? (yes I know its not a state, so lets take Maryland then).
- After Sept 11, there were 111 days more to the end of the year. Well, 111 is not equal to 11.
- Then you state that "Tragedy was on September 11, or 9/11. Adding this 9+1+1=11". Later you state that "Tragedy of 3/11/2004 in MAdrid also adds up to 3+1+1+2+4=11". Once again, your taking bits and pieces and translating it to fits your needs. For 9/11 your taking the Day and Month, then for 3/11 your taking Day, Month, Year. Why is year included in one but not the other? Once again, twisting facts to fit your need.

And then your on to the significance of 11 in the Bible. I'm not even going to get into the details of that.

Lastly, your point that "whats so hard to believe that the Zionists might have played a part in making 9/11 happen so America would have a reason to lock down the Middle East". What lock down? Who was wiped out in the Middle East? Last I checked nothing has changed with Jerusalem.