Raw materials costs are getting uncontrollable.

I bet a small horse on how there's a glitch.

Otherwise, I would like to hear explanations for why there's a drop of 600B in materials when an enterprise is bought. And another explanation for an equal increase.

Demand....
https://sim05.simcountry.com/cgi-bin/cgi2nova?SN_ADDRESS=wwwCountry&SN_METHOD=w3graph&miTable=tldhist&miKey=261&miColumn=vTradeMarketPrice

Cost....
https://sim05.simcountry.com/cgi-bin/cgi2nova?SN_ADDRESS=wwwCountry&SN_METHOD=w3graph&miTable=tldhist&miKey=261&miColumn=vTradeMarketPrice

If its more then 3M in the negative a random monthly increase then immediate decrease shouldn't effect this prices. I'm getting board of this the GM needs to fix shit NOW

Super, we're talking about a specific glitch here. Go spam your game balance stuff somewhere else.

Can anyone who doesn't mind thinking explain how this is possible.

I lost about 2 Trillion in one game month.

GR CEO monthly P/L

https://sim04.simcountry.com/cgi-bin/cgi2nova?SN_ADDRESS=wwwCountry&SN_METHOD=w3graph&miTable=enthist&miKey=14413&miColumn=vEnterpriseMonthTurnover

Your corps didn't sell products that month. We're talking about a specific glitch here. Please go spam your nub questions somewhere else.

STFU, I'll post anywhere on this forum I want to.

You need some substance behind your empty words to be able to dictate what anyone does here. Spam that.

Did the new owners change the names of the enterprises when they were bought?

The name of the enterprise that I purchased (the one with the abrupt decrease in raw materials costs) was changed from Simple Blue II to Unkempt (before purchase) to Unkempt Manufacturing (after purchase). The name of the player's other enterprise (the one with the abrupt increase in raw materials costs) remained Space Inc for the entire time.

Were you thinking the glitch may be related to name?

No I think it had to do with the price of potatoes in China. Don't forget the name of the vendor in China, Potatoes Inc.

We see very large fluctuation in the turnover, cost of materials and profit/loss of countries but mainly in enterprises.
More in enterprises because they have many corporations.
Most times, when we checked, the ask price was above quality.

check some of these corporations and you will see profits of 10+ B in a single game month, followed by a loss of 6+ B in the next.
This is taking place on a very large scale but now less than before and we expect it to disappear.

Jojo... I think you're onto something.

EDIT: Running a test.

There's a difference between large fluctuations and a permanent impact.

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/4968/pointk.png

I'm talking about Scarlet's graph.

Scarlet and Jojo. Please elaborate, how on earth could a name change make any change?

And one of the enterprises did not change its name but experienced the cost increase.

Have you said that the Q of products bought remained the same after the purchase/sale of the enterprise? Odd goings-on regarding Q settings and trade settings have been reported before...

All purchase settings were/are un-changed during the time owned here, for at least the past [earth] month or so:

world: Kebir Blue
enterprises: Simple Blue II/Unkempt (sold), Space Inc

auto-order supplies:
buy: -9/+10
quality: 120

fn links are still broken...

Crafty, the name of things in the game may have created a prioritization mechanism that determined which enterprise of a player received the glitch (i.e. first or second alphabetically has the glitch). The name Simple Blue II was prior alphabetically than Space Inc, and Unkempt was later alphabetically. Personally, I believe that for players affected by the glitch, it may affect their oldest enterprise in terms of continuous ownership by a player (I believe that the enterprise sold by CP was owned by him longer than Space Inc so the sale could have move up the error) or oldest enterprise is terms of lowest ID number (22145 is lower than 21362, the ID number of Space Inc... and my account is not affected by the glitch).

(Of course, this is all speculation until it is proved.)

The problem with testing out the bug is that not all players appear to be affected by it (I don't believe that my account is affected by it), but players that are possibly affected by it that own 2 enterprises appear to have 1/2 enterprises enterprises on a world affected. If it could be identified how the enterprise affected is determined, it could at least be controlled in absence of GM action.

This looks like the last month of that spike showing on the graphs... like Laguna pointed out, the change is indicative of a glitch as it created a permanent impact and raw materials costs are also not know for large spikes, but smoother fluctuations in price because.

I was just speculating. Every month when they run through transactions, are there any processes that they do one corporation at a time? If so, there must be some order, maybe alphabetical or by id#, and I'm just guessing that those later on in the order might possibly be at some disadvantage.

So is it a glitch, or a technical oversight on the part of the engineers?


Oh, and where do I sign up for repatriation of funds lost as a result of said "Glitch"?

The scientific method!
1. Define a question
2. Gather information and resources (observe)
3. Form an explanatory hypothesis
4. Test the hypothesis by performing an experiment and collecting data in a reproducible manner
5. Analyze the data
6. Interpret the data and draw conclusions that serve as a starting point for new hypothesis
7. Publish results
8. Retest (frequently done by other scientists)

My situation fits the theory somewhat.

I have 2 CEO's on GR, one (Columbia C.C.) established seven real days before the other; both close alphabetically (Columbia.... and Carolina.....).

Columbia C.C. has been hit the hardest, and has actually dropped both in value and score under Carolina GCX. Columbia was always the leader until recently (last month and a half or so).

Corporation make-up very similar, and settings have always been the same or very close.

The only thing that I do not know is if there was a spike like I saw in the graph (Scarlet's). Columbia has been in trouble for some time now, and it did not occur to me to look at that graph when I first started having problems.

I chalked up the decline in value and score to the GM's number lowering updates. The nominal value of the CEO was around 1,200.00.....it is now 502.34 (and still falling).

I guess the GM's would probably respond and say the CEO is worth more gold coins now. I wouldn't know; I haven't kept a record of it.

For what it's worth, materials costs in both CEO's has dropped for the last 14 game months in a row now.....maybe that will continue.

Hmm, after taking a second look at some enterprises suspected of the glitch, it seems as though they are returning to normal. The graphs for raw materials costs in many of them seems to be decreasing. The cost difference between the example corporations in the OP has decreased.

Perhaps W3C has fixed the glitch.

I don't think it's fixed.

Raw materials costs are decreasing across the board because another round of product price decreases just happened.

It does seem like the size of the difference is smaller now.

The one off is not explained, where there was a sudden change in material costs for the two ents. I thought this was the problem under scrutiny here.

I still very much doubt the age or name theory as that would be integral in the code and manifest itself many times. But hey, I have been known to be wrong...once I think was it...? nah, must have imagined it...

Well, I hope to demostrate the glitch even more obviously using the initial two corporations:

Omega (fine)	Use	Util	Last Price	Cost
Chem	20000	1.064	3497	74416160
Elec	140000	1.064	1846	274980160
EP	750	1.064	191488	152807424
Elect	140000	1.064	1876	279448960
Glas	150000	1.064	2504	399638400
High	90000	1.064	1532	146704320
Plas	150000	1.064	2419	386072400
Serv	75000	1.064	1647	131430600
			Expected	1845.498424	M
			Actual	1803.54	M

Louth (glitch)	Use	Util	Last Price	Cost
Chem	20000	1.064	3157	67180960
Elec	140000	1.064	1796	267532160
EP	750	1.064	165643	132183114
Elect	140000	1.064	1563	232824480
Glas	150000	1.064	2064	329414400
High	90000	1.064	1613	154460880
Plas	150000	1.064	1905	304038000
Serv	75000	1.064	1441	114991800
			Expected	1602.625794	M
			Actual	2213.71	M

As of the last "update" (4 world months ago on Kebir Blue, during "maintenance mode"), the decreases in total supply costs stopped -- no more decreases, and 4 world months of nearly flat and slight increases. Nothing has been "fixed", except that it was already "fixed". ;)

https://sim01.simcountry.com/cgi-bin/cgi2nova?SN_ADDRESS=wwwCountry&SN_METHOD=w3graph&miTable=enthist&miKey=21362&miColumn=vEnterpriseMonthMaterials

Those costs should be/were around 1T SC$ before, and as Kitsune' referenced, all costs concommitantly should have been going down from there.

There is extensive historical documentation relating to "glitches" involving the names of entities. In addition, there were not one, but two, "updates" recently regarding "entity name changes":

One shows as a new "red box error" when changing entity name; the new required minimum is 3 characters, with no numbers or symbols allowed.

[error message currently displayed]

<!-Quote-!>Quote:

Sorry, the name you entered is too short.<!-/Quote-!>

The other was announced in Game News:

<!-Quote-!>Quote:

142. Renaming Countries [ top ]

When a country is renamed, a line is added to the gold coins log to notify of the change. This will make back tracing easier.<!-/Quote-!>