Has Wolfker gone to the deep end??

Very well said T Mac my trolling brother

GOD WONT RESURRECT
THOSE WHO WONT
SAVE HIS CREATION

Hi Josias. I did enjoyed our chat here last night

but you can't take it to the extreme either way! Theirs a saying "He's so heavenly minded, he's no earthly good!"

saying to let go and let God, detaches us from things that we have no control over. attaching to "love your brother as yourself," re-attaches to social responsibility, in a more realistic way.

is it hateful to you, for me to work hard, and drive home with groceries for my family? if it is, you are taking it to extreme, just find fault.

if you think that hard work to take care of a family is "plush living," you need to take a step back. why must i literally disconnect from the social/material world to know God? Rather, i must disconnect from the need to lie, cheat, and steal to get along.

Jesus had times went he went out alone. How ever, he did not disconnect from human society. He was in fact accused of being a drunk! because he associated with any that sincerely wanted to hear his word.

I'd rather not argue resurrection, as i'm trying hard not to say you are "wrong," just taking something to such a extreme degree, that you are missing the point... you've heard the old saying "I can't see the forest through all these trees!!!"

I'm not advocating a clear cutting campaign, but i'm not opposed to logging, either. Its a renewable resource. I'm not against drilling for oil. But i don't see why solar energy isn't pushed harder...

After about 20 minutes of looking, a few months ago, i found solar powered battery chargers, that where very affordable. even small solar or wind powered generators, can be affordable, and reduce allot of pollution that our current process creates. we can maintain much or our lifestyle, with just some adjustments.

the problem, is more of a high end thing. back in the day, big business bought up all the trolley systems, and ripped them out, so that people would be forced to buy cars. the problem, is those that WILL lie, cheat, and steal, to make a buck.

in a place that i worked at a few years ago, when i got their, i was gung-ho about getting stuff done, and proving myself. but the first hour and half of the day, my team would just talk about hunting and fishing. then after dragging our feet, we'd do an hour of work, then hide by the AC for the rest of the day. when they got that i wanted to actually work, they got rid of me. they even called the health department on me, because i refused to take a vaccine. (quick side note about vaccines, my dad died from a flue shot, i wont take them, they can, literally, kill me,)

but the point of that is, their is an ever growing chunk of Americans, in particular, that would rather lie, slander, or other wise find fault, with those that would be honest and hard working.

these are the kind of things that we should unite against, rather than disassociate from. disconnecting wont solve the problem, their will always be people that will do what ever to get ahead. and they will, if we let them. As the saying goes, "All it takes for evil to succeed, if for good men to do nothing,"

Josias- I am not arguing against getting groceries for your family or against work. I bet everyone can agree that work gives us meaning. I am pointing out an idea that seems to be forgotten too often, and that is that if we do nothing, like in your last line, we cannot expect divine intervention. We need to be mindful of our actions, our choices, and our potential. When we do this, we are conscious in the present. We also must think generations beyond now. Will your children's children have to struggle because you took it easy?
On a separate note I challenge you go into the wild, into the natural with your beliefs and see how you can get closer to your God in what has been deemed Gods country. I bet you find peace, ease of connection, and awe of His creation. It is worth your advocacy. As far as lazy people and liars, there are too many of them to beat the honest men. Working to honest pay for honest work is another topic for another day.

it is what you said, lol

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basically saying its a distraction from God, to work, to have a life. but what does God want? ironically, God never made an issue in the care of the planet, but entirely on how man relates to each other. with the greatest commandment, to love god, and then the second, to love your neighbor as yourself. its easy to focus on one thing with a magnifying glass, and lose sight of the whole picture, which is to treat God and each other with respect.

how ever, it IS the everyday things, that God is concerned about. its how we live, that is the "city on a hill," carry that thought to the current concept, to go out hang out with grizzly adams, is not what God wants.

he wants us to live responsibly. which does include taking care of the planet. how ever, its not necessary to disconnect from a modern life style to do that. being less concerned about our material possessions, and choosing do business honestly, and with honest people, as opposed to "the end justify the means," type thing. collectively, we CAN change things.

its how things got here from their. what was exceptable on TV 50 years ago, is very different from what is today. their is less and less responsibility to God, and to each other. only what the laws of the land establish. which allow for loop holes, grey areas, and even out right bribery. that leads to astonishing things... like "phone convience fees," i mean why do i have to pay extra to pay a bill over the phone? don't you want my money? i get why compaines do that, i used to be one of the phone tech, for a long time. but nowadays its normal to charge a fee for a fee.

this kind of thinking, that you MUST do all you can to make a buck, and it doesn't matter who gets hurt in the process, is the problem. If we could collectively except more meager living, much of the burden we put on the planet would be relaxed.

As long as we celebrate greed, the planet will suffer. The hippy lifestyle will do nothing to change this.

back in the day, when the Iran war started. i was really, really, poor. I was living on bread and butter, literally, and very sensitive to the price of bread. a loaf of bread went from 49 cents to 89 cents to prevent hoarding. i agreed that was good. then they brought down the statue on live TV, every one breathed a sigh of relief, we all were really worried.

when the statue can down, the next day, bread went back to 49 cents a loaf. about half a week later, i noticed a couple of suits standing by the bread rack at the store, wringing their hands, with a gleam in their eye, the next day, bread was 89 cents again, because the store realized people would pay it.

a few years ago, with the oil price hike. the price of everything went up, because oil is our economies life blood. as a result, people drove less, and the demand went down, so did the price. it returned to near what it was before. how ever, the price of everything stayed what is was... because people would pay it. and now its like triple what is was, and it hasn't really been that long of a time.

the rich taking advantage of the poor, is nothing new. its been like this since the beginning of society. how ever, this mindset, (among other things,) is what places the burden of cleaning up the planet on the next generation. like the national debt, borrow now, and our children already owe us their lives, they can pay it back... its this kind of greed that needs to be stopped. which i believe, the answer is to go out and be an example for righteous living. if enough people start to value honest work, honest business, and honest politics, it will have the secondary effect of saving the planet.

that is to say, save society, and people first, and the rest of creation will benefit, Romans 8:18-21

Obviously balance is the key! Each and every individual has personal responsibility for themselves. This has been lost. Now everybody wants to blame their station in life on some outside influence because they have been disadvantaged somehow. However with that being said, We, humans, do not have all the answers. We must do what we personally can but depend on and rely on God to permanently fix the problems.

This is why the 'model prayer' or the 'Lords prayer' in Matthew chapter 6 is good. Because in it you pray for Gods kingdom to come, for his will to be done on earth. Humans cannot make that happen, that's why we pray for God to make it happen.

So just as any kingdom or government that you support, you live by its 'constitution' or 'rules' or 'code of conduct'. You most certainly don't support any other type of government, otherwise you are called a traitor. Well, the 'constitution' or 'rules' of the kingdom that is prayed for in the Lords prayer are clearly set out in the scriptures. Very very few are even attempting to live by that kingdom. Why? Some out of ignorance, some out of selfishness.

Sadly we live in a society where consumption is king. EVERYBODY that plays this game to one degree or another are victims of the consumer based lifestyle.

Although we are expected to do what we can to make our little corner of the world a little better place, the real solution and the permanent solution can and will only come though that kingdom that all Christians are taught to pray for. But whats even worse is that many profess to be christian but do not understand the very thing they are praying for.

The world has become very very ignorant and uneducated. Majority only eats what they are fed and care little about what else is out there!

I don't believe in God. I only believe in Good. I don't believe in the Devil. I only believe in Evil.
To deny ourselves the right to do good because it may disconnect us from the Evil society we live in is a sin in the eyes of the Good. Only the Good people can defeat the Evil people. Only the human will ensure the survival of the future because the human rules the World (Mother Nature rules Earth as she is showing with her attempts to compensate for the actions of humans) It is up to you which side you work hard for. Unfortunately too many Good have been brainwashed into working for the Evil. This has left the rest of the Good on the ropes, poor and disadvantaged, and the Evil running the show with all the status that comes with being The Boss.
Point:
If you are a parent you have limited means of being a guardian for your childrens planet as you are also a guardian of their immediate existence. But if you are not a parent you are able to risk the consequences of going all out against the Evil people who call themselves leaders while robbing the Blind, corrupting the innocent and destroying your nieces and nephews environment.
As it was for our forefathers to sacrifice themselves on the battles fields of the past in the defence of the sanctity of our lives/their future generations, so it is also down to us to sacrifice for the sanctity of our future generations. If you are not sacrificing then you are not fighting. If you are not fighting you are a accomplice in the eyes of the law.

Peace&Hardcore......Nix001....Mother Natures 300

Interesting take nix. Here's my take:

I don't believe in god, or any higher power.

Neither do I believe there is any such thing as good or evil. People have good and bad sides.

Further, one person can be seen as a "good person" to some while being seen as a "bad person" to others.

And I don't believe that the 'evil rich people' are running the planet. That argument has always struck me as an indicator of Tall Poppy Syndrome.

As for the environment, never give up hope. I think we're entering a turning point in the Green movement where things will get better quickly. In fact, the environment in the USA in the 21st Century is already better than it was during the 1940s, due to the replanting of forests in the 70s and the movement toward recycling. Further, solar panels are booming in places like California (and here in Australia). We're slowly going to go renewable.

man, Canada could run on Hydro Dams, but we'd dehydrate the U.S if we did so. Btw how do you americans like our water?

I'd say things are getting worse environmentally. Sure you've got developed countries like the U.S. and Western Europe making significant emission cuts but then you've got countries like China, India, Brazil, and Russia that are expanding their industries and emissions.

These countries had to react to the might of the US military that has been built on debt and exploitation allowed by a capitalistic society. If they did not become industrialised and capitalistic they would have been swallowed up. Up until then the Chinese worked to the Han philosophy of the father looks after the son until the son can look after the father. A philosophy of natural protection of the future generations.
The Indians were Religious. Again. morals conquered profit at the table of power. Brazil again a strong Religious and family society.
Russia....Dam Russia has learn't alot. It is a mix of many but it got destroyed by the onslaught of The Capitalists.

Capitalists are thinkers. Straight out. They get taught it at the age of two these days. This is what your going to be....Rich and powerful. A soldier is honour and protection. A nurse is compassionate and strong. 95% of the last two are who they are because that is who they are. The capitalist has no other reason in life but to make money. S#@t they even destroyed viable companies to make profit the d'~ks.

Now we are all born equal. We are who we are becouse of others around us. In 1903 they greedy let the dogs out and they won. thats 111 years ago. We are the children of a system set up to not defend the future, but to have what we can today and f#@k the future....we'll just teach the future how to deal with it.....F~'K That.

Wait who am I talking to? LOL sorry its 11 pm on a Friday night

Ok Hi Tom. Good will sacrifice themselves for others, where as Evil will sacrifice others for them selves. And yes Bro. The Good are rising

Helloa Ian. I bet it tastes good

Hi LB. The USA and the western world just pollute higher up in the atmosphere where its effects are long term. They also use other countries to produce the items they think we want,

Maybe two things happened to these countries. They had to defend themselves from a military built beyond the means of sustainability with debt. And the capitalists needed a cheap workforce to make the products that they were selling to the people they had converted cheaper to make more profit and so invested in the industrialisation of these countries.

The problem is Capitalists don't have a home like you and me...the world is their home and countries and societies are nothing but a crowd to be exploited.

Jesus would be Sooo pissed off.

Ian, you stole that from face book, or somthing, cause i heard that before lol. Nix, you got WAY to much on your hands, you have wrote more times on this forum in the past couple weeks then i ever had in the last 5 years.

Nix are you referring the Capitalist to the corrupt money changers that Jesus broke up for their desecration of Holy things and thoughtlessness for the souls that are here?
What do you expect when one trades happiness and good for a soulless object?
Sorry tom just trying to help nix get the most post award.

Actually Dud, I watched a documentary in school about America running out of water and needing us to ship it down to them. It's on netflix but I can't remember what it is called.