What the smeg has happened to this game? (Golden Rainbow)

Tabula Rasa, whats the point in you playing the game as pure econ? Seriously?

Since i left here about 3 years ago now, not only has the community died because of lack of war but so many great players have left too. Great feds have died.

In its current conception, simcountry.com is dying a slow but fateful death. There is no community because there is no need. You may as well go play Civilization offline and be econ there. Whats the point in playing an online game if you arent going to interact?

War would get people interacting again. It would bring fresh life to the game and lets face it - it badly needs it. The difference on the game would be dramatic. The forums would become active again virtually overnight, feds would become useful again as players group together to repel potential attackers and plot to destroy their enemies. Diplomacy, one of the best parts of the game as it was would return with a vengence and most importantly, it would all be fun again.

If you wanted to stay peaceful, simple. Buy war protection at 15gc per month per country. If you cant afford that, you arent a very good econ player.

This game needs life, or it will cease to exist. Which would you prefer, a game that closes down like so many other online games or a game that is fun and with an active community that helps to rebuild what it once was?

Seriously, think hard because this game will not survive with how its currently being run...

Maestro, I think I found you the perfect neighbor on the new econ continent....Tabula Rasa. You guys can swap trade strategy secrets and all that other cool econ stuff you guys swear by. Maybe you can all wear special decoder rings....that'd be sweet! I also think Farmville might be too violent for you guys, as they do use pitchforks down on the farm...better make it Tetris instead.

Maestro, you know nothing about the war you are referring to....you weren't part of it. As I remember it, you were only a cheerleader during the event.

Go to your econ continent and hush now.

EC

Your memory is rather select.

Cheers,

Maestro

What needs to happen is FB go back to its old glory.

FB should be 1-7war.
I know the GM is going well news shouldn't be easy targets. Well don't start someone there. FB should be a paying member only world. Before you join you get a warning saying players receive 30days free protection after which point WP is needed. But its an all or non buy so there's no WP your most important nations.

Is there a single person on this thread that lacks the game skill set to get to war level 3?

I think not.

"The "problem" here seems to be that the big-mouthed bullies are too cowardly to fight each other."

Tabula Rasa isn't the only one that thinks that. "War Players" don't want a real war, they want only a wipeout and asset grab.

Again, why do you not war with each other? Because you have no interest in a real (competitive) war.

Why are you insisting that players who have no interest in war participate in it? Because you are afraid to war with the other players who understand the war part of the game, you only want to war with the players you can gang up on and wipeout without (much of) a fight. That is your history, correct?

who are you again kolenski????

Apparently nobody remembers the days of LDI, Nueva Vida, Everybody Killers, S.N.A., DTA and MANY other feds.

There was a balance back then.

Now we seem to be hell bent on killing off 1/2 of the SimCountry heritage.

If you are all trying to learn about the history of federations and warfare by listening to Maestro, you are missing the truth. He knows nothing of it.

I vote for an econ continent on each planet. If you don't want to fight, build there. Stop killing this game.

EC,

Select memory again.

I see you didn't mention the paper tiger federation you were a member of and later turned on with your then new friends. You knew your old federation was a paper tiger. We spoke before the war and you told me such. You failed to tell your new fedmates the true strengh of your old federation...and/or seriously misled them.

Cheers,

Maestro

PS: Thanks for the War Level addition to the game

Maestro...you are missing the whole point. Imagine if 90% of your beloved econ was taken from you. How would you react? Probably quit, like so many have from the war game being destroyed. Remember Serpent? Remember EO? Remember Budman? I could go on. They are all gone. Great players gone because the game has been restricted to the point it's no longer worth playing.

You were not affected by the change, other than the fact that you get free war protection. Stop being the selfish banker you are and think about that. Imagine 90% of your playing style gone. Bet you wouldn't stick around either.

If you actually believe that I discussed that war with YOU, before it began, you are more of an idiot than I give you credit for.

Now, fast as you can, dig up some more dirt on me. I've had more dug up by better than you. I am by no means an angel. That's part of war....you know....actually fighting someone. Something you've never done, and have no business preaching about.

Now....I'm done with this and you.

EC,

The point is you gave birth to war levels and now you don't want to take the credit for it.

Be like our old mutual friend Oklahoma Cowboy. Try telling the truth.

Cheers,

Maestro

PS: Thanks for war levels

Woah this is getting heated.
Can I point out to you econs the possible benefits of war?
Firstly, in an age where enterprises are less profitable than ever, there could be alot of money made out of defensive and offensive corps if demand was to increase. The only problem with building them now is that there is only a tiny demand for them. If war levels were to be released, it would be highly likely that demand would at least double what it is now. This would open up a whole new set of corps for you guys to build and profit from.
Secondly, say that the war levels are dropped and there is a surge of new players, wouldn't that mean increased demand for your products? Higher prices, more room to build corps?
The more players, the more money which enters the SC system, and the more you guys could capitalise.
I agree with EC that the war game would have made the game a much more interactive environment than the one today. Nowerdays, it seems Federations are only symbolic- there is no purpose for them.

IF THE GMS ARE READING THIS, REPEAL THE WAR LEVELS. I WILL PUT A VOTE UP ON THE VOTING PAGE SOON!

Cheers,
you anti-war level friend, T

Oh and Maestro, we can all see you are only defending the war levels so you can remain immune to war without reaching into your pockets for WP. Honestly, you remind me of America's corporate world. Always putting yourself and your profits before whats best for the greater society.

Who wouldnt want SC to have more options?

Heres my feds public web page from 2008....bet theres no need for these now, is there?

http://www.freewebs.com/cishome/index.htm

We also had our own forums, chat rooms, facebook pages. Seriously, it opens up a whole new game does war...

The best choice for war levels is this

Level 0 are immune to war so be it. But if they do they need to do other things. Like add a disaster relief tab. They must assist with X amount of disasters and send X amount of relief. They should pay a much higher amount to the Sec con.

Levels 1-7 those should be the new war limits. The only difference is the time in which the war is active. If two lvl 7 face off. 12hours should be the delay before the war starts. Add 6hours per level 7 dec's a level 1 they get a 48hours build up(36added on the basic 12). 2 days is plenty of time to start and finish negotiations.

I like the new war levels for cash warring. But PvP its just not right. I see so many news panic or make BS threats when they know they protected. Look @ half this thread. Feds cant even help each other out now if they to far apart in war levels.

Feds should fight any one any level if they're fedmate is attacked.

I used to be a napkin folding econ player i still am on some worlds. What you non PvP players dont know is the excitement of the game. The rush that comes from it. Ive fought people my own level, below my level, and people who would BEAT ME TO A DUST! Its not the warring that we players enjoy but the unknown. Will i win, How many people am i fighting, is my econ big enough, Will i be the winner? 50% the fun is the buildup, 25% is the warring itself, the remaining the 25% is the feeling of victory, even a loss makes me wanna start over again but this time ill work harder then i did last time.

-----In short-----

The main reason so many people are upset with the levels is that to much econ is happening. To many weapons float around, to many war changes, and to much free talking. I have more ammo then i know what to do with will i ever use over 10,000 nuclear weapons? Why do we need to protect FB its the war world why should people with 11nations sit there free of charge? The biggest issue is people can boycott, use there Sec con powers, hostile bid, or preform underhanded tactics and you have no way to counter it? Is it fair that people can bid on all your shit, ban you, boycott you and you cant fight back?

Sounds alot like what we where about in my fed. We had a whole charter listed, preaching peace and being peaceful, even though we where armed to the teeth. We where well prepared for war incase we had to. There was 3 or 4 posts a day when it was quiet, and as many as 20. Now, we are lucky if there is 1 a month. Whats there to talk about? "Hey joe.. price of fmu's went up again".. "yep". woopie. But, you see, not only has wl's effected the war game it has in fact effected the econ side as well. Not only has the large active feds died, but the place where trading and selling that went with the large feds has died as well. The threat of war was there to keep things interesting, interesting enough to check into your local fed page once a day to see whats up.. oh look "Joe" has some nukes for sale.. and "Frank" has some new econ stratagie.. See, war is an important part of the game no matter how you look at it. You see it in your feds, you see it in your millitary corps, and look at how interesting this thread has become, just talking about it realy got things riled up here didn't it? And that how it "Used" to be. Now that war has had its hands tied with war lvls, the most interesting thing you see in the forms is someone starting a joke thread(ya i posted in that a few times) or someone asking a question, or someone that has played the game for a long time announcing there departure form SC.

Just to point out to those that speak without knowing...

War veterans, the 'big bullies' of your vision of doom, rarely attack new players. First off, to war anyone is expensive, so your country would need to be well developed before attracting attention, with at least 40M population so a few could be sold, with a few trillion of weapons to gain and maybe a bunch of cash. OK? So this description does not fit a vunerable noob. Maintaining a defence at that level is expensive and so should war protection be. (your best defence in my opinion is good diplomacy).

Of course there are a couple of exceptions to this.

1) If you are a complete asshat and run your mouth and antagonise vets, you are going to get slapped, very rare you would lose all though, your teacher (lol) would return your stuff to you, lesson learned, and you often become friends or you build over time to get your revenge, depending how you like to play.

2) One or two vets have been known to be bullies, just like real life, school, workplace etc. Listen...these people quickly lose all respect in the community and will find themselves on the end of a pointy stick. Every vet can be slapped down too, thats why the game used to be so good guys, it wasnt a case of newbies being beaten up every day.

War levels are good for complete beginners, making you feel safe while you learn and build. But to be able to continue to hide behind them while you count your beans and have no positive interaction with the community...well, thats not so good is it?

And another point here, Feds are virtually useless now because all members need to be at the same WL to be able to fight together! Whats with that? The only help you can give new fed members is fed-air if they are close enough, or verbal advise. You cant even show them how to take a C3 like someone else mentioned in a previous post.

Meh, I'm done keep preaching, but I think you all must realise there is a need for some modification of the war levels, not total abolition, ok, GM has stated firmly WLs are here to stay, but a few re-visits of how it works would be a great idea to rekindle the community here again.

I'm not wasting my time on this subject any more. The GM has made his mind up long ago and not listening to the people that liked big active federations and apparently not reading all of this thread. Look andy, there are some prtty good stuff here. I have started threads on this subject and posted to similar ones as this. They all end up the same. Not going to change, never ever, to much time and effort was spent on WL's. Gusse we will need to deal with it. To bad though, I sure did like the good ol days, as many did.

oh the good ole days of simcountry REMEMBER THAT ONE haha,pass the douche and some weed while we rise fighting them whoever haha, rising to the glory,simcountry does not need modification of the war levels what it needs is more players so peeps like stuart T can nuke paint em a glory candy ass whooping, oh my I'vedone preaching, whatever happened to king hezzy..............LOL
wonders why?ha ha

Says he with one of the largest militarys in the game...

CC, I thought we started around the same time. Maybe you're misinformed or the forums were cleaned up a bit.

A while ago, when I first came to the game, many newbies got pounced oo. Many were baited, many were not. Regardless of the reason though, it happened.

Those who 'conformed' or stayed quiet were for the most part left alone. If you even posted on the forum and disagreed with a vet, I have seen this excuse alone touted by the best to ever play the war game as a valid or 'just' cause for attacking an asset rich new player.

In most cases players were skipped is because they had no assets. Let's keep it real here gentlemen, no need in candy-coating reality or history.

I dont remember noob bashing for the sake of it. Raiding for assets yes, but then if you had assets you knew to try and protect them. I only got threatened once as a noob, for arguing with a SC member about his policies, (Kevin Henry, remember him?) and another vet player told him to leave it.
Then, I was mainly only focused on KB at the time, and had no desire to go anywhere near FB!!! Then Nix came along, and I suppose he was noob bashed a bit by Sam and Jason and LG and me, but remember his posts? guess he deserved it.
Nope, sorry Wendy, I dont remember it like you say at all really. But it doesnt change much either way, after all, you have been the defender of the underdog for as long as I remember, so a bully vet gets his/her upcomance one way or another.

To use a Wendy-ism... KARMA