What do you guys think about the incidents going on in Turkey?

I don't really think Russia is problem anymore. It's countries like North Korea who has nukes and Iran who is developing them. I think we should go in full force and take them out. We could destroy both countries in a day or two. I agree that we should not police the world but we should defend ourselves as best as possible against all threats and potential threats.

Idk about Iran but the reason we can not attack North Korea is because of China. It's been this way since the Korean war. Now China isn't scared of losing North Korea. China is scared of South Korea and North Korea being reunited. It would become a much stronger trade power in Asia and South Korea is already a very strong country.

Also did you see how long it took for us to take over Iraq? It would take weeks at the least for Iran. North Korea would end up a lot like the first Korean War and I don't see a pretty outcome at all. I see a world war. North Korea has a strong military who will fight to the last man, it is not like the Middle East. They also will nuke South Korean cities and our navy in the region before we could take them over. Which is a loss for everyone.

Zen, we took over Iraq in 2 weeks when we captured Baghdad just rolling tanks in with little resistance and the Iraqi Army running away. The rest of the time was just us looking for Saddam for a couple months and then occupying the country.

Ok.

I lost it on that one. You obviously have no clue what you are talking about.

Invasion of Iraq War Timeline 2003

March

March 20: The United States begins the invasion of Iraq; coordinating a satellite-guided tomahawk cruise missile strike on Baghdad. American, British, Australian, Polish, and Danish military operations begin; ground troops move into Iraq.

April

April 10: Fall of Baghdad: Coalition forces moved into Baghdad, symbolically ending the twenty-four year reign of Iraqi President Saddam Hussein.[3]

May
May 1: U.S. President George W. Bush declares major combat operations in Iraq over.

May 15 - U.S. forces launch Operation Planet X, capturing roughly 260 people.

May 23 - L. Paul Bremer issues Coalition Provisional Authority Order Number 2, dissolving the Iraqi Army and other entities of the former Ba'athist state.

But no, go ahead. Please give me some sources that the war went on. The only other war that went on was War against Terror.

Hell, take a look at this fucking pic Johanas.

http://imgur.com/a/kJHy1

That will make the families of the 4486 military personnel who died in Iraq feel much better. Most of those KIA were long after "the end of major combat operations." Not to mention the tens of thousands of men and women who came home maimed.

Iraq was a huge mistake and the Middle East is still paying the price. Once again we stuck our nose in someone else's business. We borrowed hundreds of billions of dollars to blow up haji and then borrowed hundreds of billions of dollars to rebuild what we blew up.


It makes my head hurt with the sheer insanity of it all.

Johanas, and who's insisting on sticking our nose in the middle east? Trump may have been right the first time when he said we should stay out. But, now he's insisting on carpet bombing them, targeting families of ISIS terrorists. He also called for increasing military responses and retaliation.

The Trump back in 2001 would have lead this country better at that time especially during the recessions, but he's not the same Trump now. Pick the candidate who's the better option RIGHT NOW instead of picking the candidate you felt like you missed out on initially. You can tell the Trump now is affected mentally in his head. He's a buffoon.

I think we should bomb the families of the terrorists over there because the families are the ones directly making the terrorists. Manufacturing them by training them to terrorize and teaching them jihad. The families are the ones supporting and making the terrorists. It's where they come from. So to stop the terror coming from over there at least we should kill most if not all of them. I suppose I do agree that attacking North Korea would be a bad idea but I think we should still attack Iran. If we destroy the source of the terror, the terror will eventually stop. It will take awhile of course but it would stop.

Also when did Trump say any of that? Pls post a link to proof or something. No biased websites and news sites/stations. Ex: CNN

rjwiles, you sound like a retard. Families of terrorists are not automatically guilty by being genetically related. He didn't say, "bomb those that have been found to support their endeavor" or any of that. Just because their son was a shithead and an asshole doesn't mean they're at fault for it. If your kid killed someone else, does that mean you should go to jail too?

No, not all families of terrorists were the ones manufacturing and training them to become terrorists.

http://nypost.com/2016/03/04/trump-flip-flops-on-torture-killing-terrorists-families/

That's not to mention that military members would be required to refuse carrying out those orders as they violate international laws and the geneva convention. Rjwiles, and you also support attacking Iran? Jesus, did you not learn anything from Iraq? Terrorists don't come from Iran, you dumbass.

The MAJORITY of them come from Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. You wanna know why most muslims hate Saudi Arabia? Because they're funding and training terrorists with Wahhabism. 15 of the 19 hijackers in 9/11 were Saudis. Most terrorists cross over from Saudi Arabia into other countries.

Iranians stick to themselves and haven't committed any terrorist attacks against us. Go ahead and try to name one.

But, go ahead, let's keep funding and giving Saudi Arabia F-16s, Abrams tanks and many other military hardware while they fund extremists right within our country.

But really, let's attack Iran! They look like muslims and it rhymes with Iraq. That's where the terrorists come from!

I'm not trying to be pc here, I don't support political correctness either however I believe this thread is getting out of hand. This is a game forum not a political debate site. Debating and talking about real world politics will divide the game community, just like it divides real communities. I know this is a general forum, and you're free to debate and voice opinions/factual information or non-factual information. I also have my own views that could get me kicked off the forum if I said them, that's why I save it for facebook and youtube. It would be more fun to watch players attack eachother by going to virtual war from debating on a forum.

The best option right now is anyone but Shillary Clinton.

She has enough blood on her hands without putting her in charge of our suicidal foreign policy.

Johanas, so let's put the guy that would make hillary pale in comparison to her?

Your argument essentially boils down to, Trump just doesn't have the blood on his hands yet. And that's because he didn't have the opportunity to.

Perhaps you should consider why many muslims from that area of the world believes Hillary is the better option for stability in that region.

Lets be honest.

Muslims are butthurt because Trump wants to stop the mass immigration from areas with ties to terrorism.

It's a good idea IMO. We don't need to import any more trouble. We have plenty to deal with already.

Zen,

With all due respect......yes this is a game forum. People are entitled to their political, religious, whatever views as long as they are respectful of others. Historically we have always had off game topics of discussions because it is interesting to see opinions of people from all over the world. The GENERAL section is allowed to have such discussions. The key is respect. You can state your view without being offensive.

I guess I like to see others' thoughts, due to my background of being in the news media. lol Or just that I'm nosey. ha ha ha ha

Well that's where I'm getting at, there is lack of respect. That is why I don't attempt to engage in these threads, I don't want to come off disrespectful even if I don't agree with someone elses views. Only once have I ranted offensively towards someone in the forum directly.

I also do not know at what point my language gets to the point where I could get kicked off the forum. I've had communication suspensions 4 times on xbox live due to being politically incorrect. Can't even write God in my bio on xbox without it being "offensive". Which is why I hate the direction we are moving in. The pussified generation, excuse me.

The saying "Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me" doesn't apply to my generation of youth. Which is why I despise people like Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders. They're fascists.

I agree with you totally there, Zen, about the direction we are moving in. Pfft I tell people Merry Christmas, and they will LIKE it! lol I really don't think people are really offended, I think they just like protesting and creating drama, getting attention.

I should know, as I am the Queen of Drama in Simcountry history. :-D

I was more in line with that people should be able to have political discussions without name calling and being offensive that way. But you are right, politics and religion can get heated and real quick. But heat and passion are good things if done intelligently and right.

I think it is interesting to hear (or in our case, see) people's thoughts on topics and issues. :-)