W3C - game update scheduled for Dec. 8

The next update will take place tomorrow, Dec. 8.

Andy,

I made a post on Nov 10th and Dec 2st ... and never heard from the GM.

I wanted to bring an issue to your attention.
Please check Melichor on LU for more information. I also have screenshots saved if need be in case you cannot see the current values.

Under my natural resource list last month it said I had:
Platinum 541,440 ton
Platinum 101,520 ton
Platinum 541,440 ton
Platinum 541,440 ton

I recently decided to do some play testing into the resource market to see their real production/profitability. I planned on building several corporations to use these as they seemed like extremely large deposits.

If you check the corporations that where just built in the country, the "real remaining resources" are VASTLY lower at: 31,000 / 63,000 / 73,000

I have to assume this is a huge oversight or protentional bug, otherwise a CEO/New president would feel extremely lied to.
I will wait to build any more mining corporations until I get a response as not to change any of my current countries mineral deposits.

I wanted to let you know as quickly as possible so you can fix any incorrect evaluations in natural resources within countries.

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Also,

Some additional information I forgot in the above post. Last month under my natural resource list last month it said I had four deposits of:
Platinum 541,440 ton
Platinum 101,520 ton
Platinum 541,440 ton
Platinum 541,440 ton

As of this month, I only have:
Platinum 101,520 ton
Platinum 541,440 ton
Platinum 541,440 ton

Not only did the deposits not provide "real numbers", but it seems upon building one of them completely disappeared.

The deposits show what is available and not used yet.
The deposits list or available resources list shows the unused, available resources.

Once you build a corporation that produces the product, the resource disappears from the resource list as there is a corporation using it.

as to changing quantities:

I think this too is a misunderstanding.

You are welcome to tell us, before you build a corporation what you see on the resources list, with the amount that shows on that list.
we will also check the list. After we confirm, you can build the corporation.

The resource will then disappear from the resources list.

Then look into the corporation and check what is the remaining product in the ground.

the amount of remaining product should be the same as the amount that was showing as resource on the list before the corporation was build.

Andy,

I'm testing in Melichor on LU, please check for more infomation.

I had three deposits of platinum for 500,000 for two and 100,000 for one remaining.

I built 3 corps and removed one, to see if it would "reshow" a deposit, but it seems the deposit has completely disappeared.

Now only two are showing and the third has just disappeared. I will update on competition on the corps and their "values"


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I also build and removed a queued construction of a potassium corps to test to see if "deposits" disappear after canceling a corp.
Here was the list prior to the test, after the test it seems the 1.3b value deposit was deleted and removed.

Potassium 1,344,000,000 ton
Potassium 16,800,000,000 ton
Potassium 3,744,000,000 ton
Potassium 3,744,000,000 ton
Potassium 20,160,000,000 ton
Potassium 5,184,000,000 ton


I will give some time to see if these deposits reappear. I will keep you updated on the testing.

Andy,

As of now, both new corporations have been built.

One has a deposit of 50,000 and the other 540,000. These are not equal to what was stated on the "Natural Resources page"

Also, the 1 Platinum and 1 Potassium deposits that where lost after I canceled the queued corporations have not reappeared and I'm assuming are lost. I will continue to check each month and inform you.

I also cancelled somewhere in the last month the build of 4 new mining corporations at once on WG and their deposits never came back. It were the last deposits I had in my country. 3x oil, 1x platinum if I remember correctly. However, other times I cancelled just 1 (not last 1) and those times they did reappear after 1 game-month so Im under the impression that there are still some bugs in that whole process.

Andy, maybe you should play around with different variations to see what happens.

when you build a corporation the resource disappears.
It seems that this is not clear to you.

If you build a corporation, the resource disappears.
you have the corporation and on the corporation page you can see how much resource remains.

The examples and text are unclear.
When you build 3 corporations all three resources are gone.

if you close 2 corporations, then you have 2 resources back.

If you want us to check, you must do the following:

show the resources you have
build ONE corporation
show the resources you have (one gone, we need to see this).
then show the name of the new corporation.
we will then look into the corporation page to see what is left in the ground.

Andy,

I am doing as you requested above and should have the information within a few hours for the GM to review.

Also, you stated, "When you build a corporation the resource disappears. It seems that this is not clear to you."

"Neutralsc and myself" are trying to present an issue the game seems to have prior to any "building of corporations".

If I request to build 10 corps for oil, then recend the request(keep in mind they where never built). The resource still disappears, that is the issue we are addressing.
If I was to "build" 10 corporations and the next game month cancel them and lose the resources that is fine. However, the fact I can queue 10 corps to be built then have the resources disappear is problem that needs to be addressed.

For example,
That is like in the real world, a companying planning to create a mine, drawing up the plans, then canceling the construction of the mine, and then all the minerals in the earth disappearing.

It seems that when the game "queues" a mineral corporation for construction the resource is consumed immediately and if you cancel the request to be built, it is lost forever. We are suggested that the resource is only "consumed" when the corporation is built. If there is no available resource then the request is canceled and denied.

Andy,

If possible, in a few days I will provide all the information to the GM in an email for your review. I have been testing player claims and some of yours to see what protentional issues could be.

I am testing in all of my nations to be able to provide you the best feed back possible. I have taken not only screenshots, but I printed all my pages from my screen in PDF format. I also tested in many nations so the GM will get a compressed file with 4 countries and about 4-5 documents in each.
They will show: All mineral deposits before any testing, the queue page for constructed corporations, mineral despots while corporations are queued showing despots where removed, and some other needed info.

According to the tests here what I have so far uncovered:
- Mineral deposits are seemly chosen at random
- Mining corporations --DO-- consume the deposit upon queuing the construction of the corporation, not upon the "building of the corporation"
- Should a corporation be queued then canceled, the mineral deposit is "lost" in some cases.

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I have yet to notice a massive change in resource deposits (testing is slow), but I do have the old screenshots with timestamps to last month test and all the corps still active to test these claims. Once I can replicate massive difference I will let you know.

I checked the screenshots I have vs my corporations. It looks like the deposits I was shown and what was provided had an extra 0... (example 550,000 was actually 55,000), this could very easily be an accounting bug. Once I can replicate it fully I will provide more information.

You keep saying that the resource disappears.

what do you mean?