W3C - Countries "Nearly" Bankrupt

"negative cash is not an option.
you can either transfer money or take loans.
Many did not like automatic loans but we can bring them back in these specific cases and solve it in that way...In fact, what we should do is bankrupting the country when the asset value goes negative."

Works for me.

Agreed. These highly in debt crap empire countries are bad for the game. For example, in my region on Fearless Blue, there is not a single empty country. Nor are there empty countries in the surrounding regions. Why? Because one player owns them all. They are all less economically successful than any C3 with heavy debt, low welfare and high taxes. And, when my enterprise goes to search for countries to build in...what comes up? List after list of this player's failed states. These countries are a net loss to the value of the world economy.

Just to add this is more of an empire building game than individual countries. Bankrupting 1 country whilst the rest of the empire is in the best of health is absurd.

Even if the auto "features" are making it worse, they are only kicking in because the countries already suck. It's very long ago been said in the game news that empires really can't be supported at over 12 countries. The goal is to build up strong countries, not to try to take over the map so other people can't play. In one of his infinatly long and stupid messages to me, he states that since intervention he's gone from -250 T to -450T as if the former number is somehow okay. Ridiculous, magical thinking.

450 trillion is a lot worse however

The claim that countries that are being repaired are in bad shape is hateful rubbish.

We are watching some closely to see how it happens.

we see countries that were neglected and allowed to fail, increasing their employment, reducing cost and becoming profitable.

it is very easy for a player to stop the process by moving some money into the country but if they choose not to, this repair process is very effective.
It does take some time.

The US is not cash negative.
it is cash positive.
cash negative does not exist.

the US has 17T or so in loans.
You are welcome to take loans.
The US does not get loans automatically, it asks for loans on the market when it needs them.

perhaps the amount of cash that can be requested each time should be increased... whenever i have taken loans I've always taken the max amount which maybe indicates there should be a higher max amount.... i think 1 trillion would do... i don't see the sense in really restricting so much the size of the loan you can request

Andy I keep getting a message for "workers001" on fb. It's building corps because of high debt. The country isn't in debt and I keep 1T in it. I closed all the corps and I'm stripping it down to 20m pop then I will cancel it. I closed the corps for workers and shut off the auto build corps feature. It keeps on building corps and I don't want it to. I know why they are in place but experienced players shouldn't have to deal with these features.

Stop interfering on how we run our countries. I don't need or want the game to play for me. Like I said already why should the GM care what state our countries are in? If we want help there should be a choice.

Your response Andy just frustrates me like you wouldn't believe. Cant you give us a straight answer. It's ridiculous the reasons your trying to spin us.

The US doesn't take automatic loans lol. No they have whole armies of people working on that sort of thing. If they need a loan it's there job. We the players of this game have other things to do. Like work, raise a family.

work and raise a family? fuck that shit... but dick has a point

From: GameMaster
To: Smokes Wrath
Real Date: 27-10-2014 19:10:44
World Date: April 06 3511


Subject: Government Salary Reduction
Message: Workers001 has high debt and is making losses. The salaries of all government workers have been reduced.
From: GameMaster
To: Smokes Wrath
Real Date: 27-10-2014 02:10:44
World Date: December 06 3510


Subject: Corporation created
Message: Workers001 has high debt and there is high unemployment. A corporation has been created to solve this problem.

You see these messages keep getting sent to me every game month. I'm stripping the country. So yes there is high unemployment. The country has 1T in it still but yet the auto feature see's me with no corps and the country is losing money. So it builds corps I don't want. Well I'll cancel it in 2 game months but its still gonna be a problem for the next country I strip.

I'm getting bombarded with these messages aswell. I've only just taken over a bunch of c3's. I need time to get them up and running. I don't need these interventions. All they're doing is pissing me off.

And yet again I've had a bunch of my weapons go inactive because of neg cash and neg construction. This is really getting ridiculous. I'd like to play loose with my countries and not be forever checking if I have this or that so my gear doesn't get sent inactive. Playing 10 or more countries on all worlds and 3 ceos I don't have the time or the will to be forever checking.

You might say you should manage your shit better but I haven't always got the time. If I have neg cash I'll fix it when I have the time. If I have neg ammo I'll fix it when I have the time. Now I don't have a choice. This shit has to be optional.

Here's a crazy idea...how about you stop using 10 unstable countries to make war?

Settle on 1 or 2 and face the fact, you can't find the time to operate so many nations.

And stop making other acct's...really pisses people off, nobody likes or respects a
MULTI.

Here's an idea. Engage your brain before you go making daft comments. The countries I'm referring to are on WG and aren't being used to war. Perhaps if you weren't such a noob you'd understand.


NOW BE VERY CAREFULL WITH YOU LANGUAGE AS WE REMOVE SUCH LANGUAGE< ICLUDING THE WRITER< FROM THE FORUM.

THE GAME MASTER

You're so cute...

1. Aries exposed you in Fearless blue thread!

2. Please stop running...and please stop declaring war on me with your garbage.

3. I am not a noob...may lack patience but not a noob, so stop trying to be cute, it only makes you look softer than you already do.

I was prepared to leave you alone in this war david but your big mouth has talked you into an ass whooping.

Let me get this straight. You declare war on perhaps one of if not the strongest player in the game - Aries and you didn't make any noise...
accept cry like a little girl to the GM.

Then you bring me into the war, and you nuke me real good, i'll give you that. But that got old real quick hehe and you started running from me!
And changed your Acct. So you could stay protected from losing your empire...

Check my resume, i don't run from a war...i would never change acct's to avoid an "ass whooping" YOU HAVE

Matter of fact, you're a woman to me now and i plan to treat you like one!

You brought yourself into this. Remember that. I messaged you many times asking you not to get involved.

I closed the second account.

You should really watch your language.

and get rid of ALL the negative assets and cash.
In this game, they do not exist.

All what negative assets? All that I had negative is gone. Just like I've been saying. When I see neg numbers I move the cash or the ammo. I can't be here 24/7 though. Having to micro manage every last detail whilst If you overlook the slightest thing you get punished heavily.

I'm done moaning about this. It's futile. Just like it always is.

Well, I think it is time to get MYSELF involved.

DickDastardly (asshat name if I've ever seen one.....I can ALWAYS spot them ha ha ha), you would be better served to stop your whining and learn the game before bashing the game, the gamemaster, and its players. I've played this game for many years, I've spent lots of money over the last seven years (both me and my husband). If your countries are going bankrupt, it is usually due to not spending time with them, like ignoring them for months on end. People who know/knew me in this game, knows I was never a game genius, but even I NEVER went bankrupt or was locked out. My friend, Bobo, was, but this was due to him not being active for many months. You can't do this nor neglect your countries.

If you don't understand the game, there ARE many knowledgeable players who would love to spend time with you and to mentor you. The most important thing to know........you have to have an econ stable country to support a military. This takes time!!!! If you don't hve the finance backing to support the military, they will disengage, etc. The game has always done this, to my knowledge.

The gamemaster has always been helpful in answering questions and giving helpful hints. If you disrespect people and the GMs, I wouldn't expect much help. The people will perceive you as a raving idiot. Respect goes a long way in this game. Rule of thumb, be respectful of others, and they will be respectful of you!

My advice is lose the country and start again! Sometimes it is more costly to try and salvage than it is to start over. This is how you learn and conquer!

All my best,
The Wicked Lady
Jan

PS. I am Andy's Mom. You be NICE to my son!!! SCOWL!!!!!! or I'll scratch your eyes out! :P

The one thing I've always done before a war was have between 1-5b in construction. You know your gonna need it so why wait. You need to prep for wars better making sure you have all the supplies is key. How about storing stuff in your ceo or your account. Then transferring it to what ever country needs it. Theres even auto orders so you stay well stocked. Theres many things you can do.

the_wicked_lady> okay doll, holler at me
[12:22:22 PM] the_wicked_lady> i'll stick around
[12:23:23 PM] dickdastardly> Creature?
[12:23:25 PM] dickdastardly> Nice
[12:24:27 PM] dickdastardly> Seen your forum post. Wondered how long it would take you to stick your neck in
[12:25:14 PM] the_wicked_lady> you lucky i stay busy these days lol
[12:25:21 PM] the_wicked_lady> actually i thought my post was rather nice
[12:25:31 PM] the_wicked_lady> i really wanted to smack you
[12:25:35 PM] the_wicked_lady> :P
[12:25:56 PM] dickdastardly> Yeah lovely
[12:25:59 PM] the_wicked_lady> and what you mean by THAT?!
[12:26:44 PM] the_wicked_lady> that you were waiting for me to say something?
[12:26:50 PM] the_wicked_lady> i dun even know you
[12:27:00 PM] the_wicked_lady> or do i?
[12:27:25 PM] dickdastardly> Your post was lovely
[12:27:31 PM] the_wicked_lady> oh thank you
[12:27:39 PM] the_wicked_lady> i thought it good advice really
[12:27:50 PM] the_wicked_lady> you seem like someone who is serious about the game
[12:27:54 PM] dickdastardly> thx I'll be sure to take it up
[12:28:05 PM] dickdastardly> even though I have 100's T in my account
[12:28:33 PM] the_wicked_lady> well i was just saying, dick person, i dun really know your issue
[12:28:50 PM] the_wicked_lady> you can keep your Ts just lose the failing countries
[12:28:55 PM] dickdastardly> Learn the game then
[12:29:05 PM] the_wicked_lady> i do know the game
[12:29:07 PM] dickdastardly> there not failing
[12:29:30 PM] the_wicked_lady> well then, do what you will
[12:29:41 PM] the_wicked_lady> i really don't care, but your attitude stinks
[12:29:52 PM] dickdastardly> lol you can talk
[12:30:05 PM] dickdastardly> butting into something that has nothing to do with you
[12:30:11 PM] dickdastardly> you don't even play the game
[12:30:27 PM] the_wicked_lady> how do you know if i do or do not play the game?
[12:30:30 PM] dickdastardly> I taking some shit from your mate aswel
[12:30:40 PM] dickdastardly> what am I to sit back and play nice
[12:30:43 PM] the_wicked_lady> which mate?
[12:30:52 PM] dickdastardly> david the great lol
[12:30:58 PM] dickdastardly> not so great
[12:31:13 PM] the_wicked_lady> I'm not really sure if I know him
[12:31:24 PM] dickdastardly> supreme
[12:31:32 PM] the_wicked_lady> ooooooooooh yeah, i like Supreme
[12:31:41 PM] the_wicked_lady> but as you know, i've minced words with him before
[12:31:50 PM] the_wicked_lady> and we were enemies in game, not mates
[12:32:01 PM] dickdastardly> Yes and he has a fowl tounge too
[12:32:11 PM] the_wicked_lady> foul*
[12:32:16 PM] dickdastardly> I'm lower myself to his standads but what can you do
[12:32:38 PM] the_wicked_lady> pfft. you sound like a returnee here to cause game problems, if you ask me
[12:32:56 PM] dickdastardly> Ive been playing this game since 02
[12:33:14 PM] the_wicked_lady> then what name did you play by?
[12:33:27 PM] dickdastardly> I've had many
[12:33:30 PM] the_wicked_lady> because that means nothing to me, dear
[12:33:39 PM] the_wicked_lady> and what were they?
[12:33:45 PM] the_wicked_lady> are you Crafty?
[12:33:55 PM] dickdastardly> Secret
[12:33:58 PM] dickdastardly> no
[12:34:04 PM] the_wicked_lady> well then, i dun really care
[12:34:18 PM] dickdastardly> Im wendy
[12:34:27 PM] dickdastardly>
[12:34:29 PM] the_wicked_lady> well welcome back
[12:34:45 PM] dickdastardly> Thx
[12:34:56 PM] dickdastardly has left
[12:35:58 PM] the_wicked_lady> well therein lies the problem lol