Ignoring the OBVIOUS (White Giant)

Tom/Jozi....

Why are you ignoring the fact that corps selling all products every month of qualities over 298 are not being paid properly?

Your only come back is to accuse these players of not selling all their products each month when in fact we are selling these products. So it is not a case of not having any buyers. These corps are selling their products and not being paid properly for their quality.

It is stealing. Plain and simple. Doesn't matter who else is getting the cash, but when they seller is getting ripped off, it is paramount to theft. PERIOD.

Quit beating around the bush and giving stupid irrelevant excuses and fix it. We worked our asses off to build these corps up to max quality and effectivity just to see you make them go into the toilet because you refuse to allow them to be properly paid for the products that they sell.

How is this a good business model? Yes you may keep some players through vigorous changes and adaptations of the War Engine, but you will lose many to not being able to explain nor understand how the economic model works in your own game.

Good day.

(P.S.) For those of you wonderring why I titled this thread "Ignoring the Obvious"... Watch how they ignore this thread and the problem this thread brings up.

You know what the answer is going to be, Dan.

Quality that high never really existed. No one actually bought it. It was merely subsidized by the GM. Therefore, withdrawing the subsidy is not theft.

The issue lies within the entire BS system of high quality with no function or market for it, after they structured corporations and base pricing to rely on selling at those high Q prices to remain profitable.

There's the theft. Only subsidies kept this sham afloat. Pull the subsidies....

You know full well, Dan, that this is not a real economy at all. Aggregate supply and demand are controlled by W3C through programmed country and corporation supply requirements. Supply is more responsive due to players building corporations, but W3C still sets production figures retaining the ability to change total supply on a whim. Prices are fixed through base pricing with minor tolerances for player generated activity to push prices slightly higher or lower until backordering takes over.
It's the illusion of a functioning economy with the illusion of free markets, but still just an illusion.

And "The OBVIOUS" is driving away would-be new players who could potentially be recruited by the existing player base.

Witness this exchange...

[15:47] Geoff. . .: lol, nice, the game looks interesting, i might join in
[15:48] EWT [NS]/HailandKill [AE, LW]: The GameMaster has made a recent habit of FUBARing the economic engine, you no longer get paid properly for very high-quality product
[15:48] Geoff. . .: oh, maybe not then

Hey Keith was that scripted or what??

No, we had just been discussing how my nuclear stockpile on LU would be enough to nuke every town >25K pop in Canada five times over, and he seemed interested...but then I had to give him Teh Warning.

so in other words . . .scripted, yes?

What I dont get is how thats the first thing out of your mouths when someone new is in chat and states they are thinking about joining. Its kinda odd to me. Discouraging others intentionally while playing the very same game doesn't make sense.

Its like you all are trying to get some revenge on w3c because of your inability to make enourmous amounts of gc and get rich off a game.

Very childish don't ya think??


I am not singling you out, I am just saying that this behavior is becoming very rampant in chatrooms, and its bothersome. Sorry just caLLIN IT.

No. When I came here, it was much easier to properly build an economy, because you got paid what you had your trade strategies set for, for high quality product. Never mind the documentation strongly encourages fully upgrading corporations.

Now, you no longer get paid properly for high quality product produced by a fully upgraded corporation (unless using a VERY low supply quality that keeps the Q somewhere between 250-296, depending on where your trade strategies are set).

I was talking with him about another aspect of the game, and he expressed interest in joining...you think I shouldn't warn him about this issue?

*I* continue to play in the hope, possibly vain, hopefully not, that Tom will eventually listen to player feedback and redress the issue. My membership goes through autumn, after all.

I'd be more than happy to invite him to play when this issue is FIXED. And I would tell him that the problem had been corrected.

Alas, it has not.

iM GONNA SAY THIS AS PLAINLY AS sAM AND lAGUNA HAVE SAID TO ME, i ALONG WITH MANY OTHERS HAVE ISSUE WITH THE CURRENT WAR GAME CHANGES. . . .

bUT . . .ADAPT OR MOVE ON.

CASE CLOSED.

Quite a few people are exiting the game because of the changes, yet I don't see them rambling on discouraging others NOT to play because they aren't happy. They don't like something they leave.

Truth is . . . it ISN'T that bad cause you continue to play. If that were emphasized in your statements to others about joining the game maybe you wouldn't get the response, "Geoff. . .: oh, maybe not then . . . "

It would go alot better if you said exactly what you said on this forum. "This or that isn't pleasing me atm", but, "*I* continue to play in the hope, possibly vain, hopefully not, that Tom will eventually listen to player feedback and redress the issue."

And something tells me you will be playing loooong past autumn.

Wendy. Thus far I have cut you a great deal of slack and even defended you antics as healthy for the dynamic of the game.

However, I have determined from conversations with you, that you have little idea of how this sim actually operates, and therefore have little to contribute. See your pointless and utterly irrelevant posts above.

So. Shut up. The adults are talking.

Hey Bob I know you are like 40 yrs my elder but show some respect home slice. I may be a lady, but I get my hands dirty too.

Just cause you are all pissy you aren't gonna subsidize your retirement off the game doesn't mean you have a right to discourage others to play the game. If you don't like it. . .ADAPT or MOVE ON. And take your own advice and shut it while you are at it.

I don't ask anyone to defend me or otherwise so get off the horse and be respectful old man.

I have the right to make whatever recommendations about the quality of the game to third parties that I will.

I simply told a prospective new player that the game does not pay corporations properly when the corps produce high quality product. Which has been shown to be true.

He was free to act on such information as he will.

If Tom wishes to draw new players to the game, he can start by responding to the concerns of the players that already play the game, who have substantial ability to recruit, or deter, new players by word of mouth.

Nothing more, nothing less.

"Its like you all are trying to get some revenge on w3c because of your inability to make enourmous amounts of gc and get rich off a game.

Very childish don't ya think?? "

YUP, and about as childish as a senior citizen telling a dignified woman to shut it.

If I have to be subject to your "abuse" and "anti game growth rhetoric", I will continue calling it how I see it.

You seem a bit upset Bob for me not saying anything negative to you at all, would you like a depends?

OMG . . . no she didn't!

LOL And that is why you are told to "shut it", little girl.

Act like an adult, get treated like an adult. Act like a child....

m entitled to voice my opinion here as much as anyone else. I voiced my disagreement without telling anyone to shut it. TYVM.


For an older gentleman you sure are out of character ATM. Take your own advice and SHUT IT.

Your Welcome, and should you need anymore . . . . let me know

OMG, Oh yes she did. . .

No, you merely falsely accused me of scripting it with no evidence whatsoever, and without logs preceding the relevant section that I posted.

I will not post the rest of the logs here because I do not wish to disclose the exact contents of my nuclear stockpile (as I did to a friend I met waaaaaay outside of Simcountry), to every Tom Dick, and Harry that actually DOES play Simcountry.

I voiced my disagreement without telling anyone to shut it. TYVM.

And I can . . . Problem??

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3 guesses as to whom I refer to. (no need to say aloud)

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If you say her name three times she magically appears to troll a thread...
Wendy..
Wendy...
Wendy!....

Boo!! is that better, quit yer bitchin and play the friggin game.

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