GREF shows it true color. (Golden Rainbow)

Awww, bless. It's so cute. ^_^

Wendy I would actually like to see you fight for once...how many c3 have we taken from you 25-40...were you even actively defending any of them...your main is 41T in debt and your war tactics are baffling...yet you ramble on like your winning!?! Have you even won a single war against a real person or someone actively defending their country? We take your assets when it adds up to our favor and we leave you with the debt ridden ones...Last I saw you...in 2-3 game days...I blew up all your cities, capital, bases, towns, counties, drained all your weapons and left you holding the bag of debt with a couple T needed in construction to rebuild that shell of a c3.

Tick Tock Tick Tock...are you for real!?! We have all gotten bored of your antics but if you want me to call in the troops again.

John your very lucky you got CD 4...before Dirt and I got to you...how long did Freedom fighter 7 and 8 last...hmmmmm 7 game days. But at least you fight, have some recognizable war tactics, and you did a good job getting into position...so hats off to ya.

Speaking of showing your true colors...LOL!

Have to say Wendy...you must be getting desperate...it is in very poor taste that you want to attack these so called Passive support-ist members of GREF. Do you really think they read the forums? I am sure you will be trolling for an inactive or noob member because your sick of getting beat down...can't say I blame you, but perhaps building a real c3 like John does might work...instead of all this flailing around that you do in an attempt to irritate or bore your opponent to death.

If boring and annoying were colors, then they would be Wendy's true colors.

Zeba,
Why did it take you, Dirt and Aqua to wipe out two newly acquired C3?

You are correct Freedom Fighter 7 and Freedom Fighter 8 lasted about one week. Thanks for acknowledging a job well done in getting into position. Freedom Fighter 7 and 8 retired with honor after accomplishing a difficult job in taking CD 4 just in the nick of time. CD 4 being a heavily defended 30+ million population nation of Aqua.

Zeba,

I would't pick on Wendy too much. I am guessing she landed more Nukes on GREF than the rest of us have landed on everyone else. Boring and irritating tactic are very effective war tactic against ones enemies.

"Wendy I would actually like to see you fight for once"

Maybe you hadn't noticed, but i am fighting, with nothing... And YOU and AQUA have paid for it. I warned you that I would systematically take down what you percieved to be invincible security.


"how many c3 have we taken from you 25-40"

Dont we all know you are exaggerating. Fluffing the stats hehe, LoL you smell like b00b juice! Maybe half if you were lucky, aqua had trouble taking the foruth and fifth one . . . 12


"...were you even actively defending any of them"

No, duh, why do you think you actually took so many? Don't impress yourself just yet. They are offensive tools, extremely effective ones at that. I'm sure you have done more than enough transferring of interceptors to know that. And don't fool the public, that certainly wasn't us buying 40K interceptors in one shot. I am positive I have taken down at least twice that number though.

"We take your assets when it adds up to our favor"

Jokes my empire debt was 180Trillion!!! you took half my empire debt, just to look good publicly, Does that equate to taking 'assets' to you? It doesn't to anyone else. My empire debt is is negative -70T, thanks you guys have been great. How economic of you. By all means take some more.

Tell me this smart guy. How did you guys come up with the notion, that taking countries with -12T to -16T debt was a good strategy? Oh you wanted to transfer that to my main. So you took on debt, to pass on debt to my main? What exactly were you accomplishing? I mean I already owned the debt, seems kind of couterproductive to me? Oh but you are 'taking' assets. Right... I did have at least 1 million trucks in eachof those countries. Darn I miss those trucks!!

"and we leave you with the debt ridden ones..."


To date you have left me with one c3, with -2 tril assets, (maybe lol).

One as in *singular* and that was Mermaid man. You have finally wised up and left me with a c3. Or so you thought. Now i dont have to take another one LOL. Reduce! re-use! recycle! Nix would be proud of me


"ast I saw you...in 2-3 game days...I blew up all your cities, capital, bases, towns, counties, drained all your weapons and left you holding the bag of debt with a couple T needed in construction to rebuild that shell of a c3."

LoL we'll keep the debt, you'll be forced to take it eventually. And you will despite your hesitancy. It will hurt but you know it is what has to be done.

"If boring and annoying were colors, then they would be Wendy's true colors."

Boring and annoying, this I am, but cheap and effective all the more. Have you ever read the art of war? I enjoy it, it has moulded my tactics in Simcountry warring. Have you read John Fire's art of war manual (adapted for simcountry)? If you have ever read either of the two you would know you lost before this war started. Because I dictate to you when you must fight, when you must defend and when you must spend money GC etc. You have singlehandedly demonstarated to your fed that you lack true economic and/or political skills. You would have and still will sacrifice your fedmates over your arrogance and your pride. Eager to oppress and dominate an otherwise weaker and/or unsuspecting opponent. You should have evaluated the situation without those terrible evil qualities blinding your better judgment.

Now lets be clear, I have scanned your empires, I have scanned you fed and sub feds. I see how many assets you have. Why would I fight fire with fire? I am a tactician, a strategist. Flawless and perfect are my ways. Tried and true are my means to achieve my end. You wish to see mw fight. You have. I dominated Aqua's cd countries for a real week while fighting through your local fed air defense to do it. All that with 4 c3s. I flattened cd2 completely except for forts, becuase of Dirt putting up helos every two days once it was time for the final blow of fort killing, giving you time to come in for the save, which in that case you really saved him. Had the weapons market not been so drained, surely she would have fallen. What do I look like wasting my time and effort just to offer you any asset?? You guys chose to fight. You made a mistake and failed to correct it. Now I will choose how and when I will respond to that mistake. I am going to bring this situation to a head with you and me abe. I have seen how your large empire is falling from free wp. I see how you don't want to spend coins anymore. I see how fighting this fight has wearied you and your renegades. I dec your fedmates to invite them to take your place and hold up the slack. Are you not thankful then?! You have called me out. It is I you wish to face, then surely I shall grant you your wish. I am not stingy you can get it too. If you doubt that one day you will suffer the nuclear rains of the megalomaniacs you are certainly mistaken by your fewlish pride. Keep guard, for you know not the time of my coming. Though many c3s announce it, you fail to see me. I now make loud the intention of Inanna, we come to destroy that wish is masquerading to be peaceful. You have slipped and bumped your head thinking that you are invincible and that I am a quitter. I'm there win lose or draw, and this time will be no different.

Tic Tock Dock...Tic Tock

@Zeba aka female dog, I find it interesting you talk about war tactics when you yourself are horrible and a crappy fighter in game. I have watched and observed your tactics for fighthing, I acknowledge you have ALOT of resources but you REALLY are not as good as you think; in fact i'm sure if I had my old empire you would be more than done by now I guess we would call you "well done". While noone is training Wendy she is still kicking you around, you can ask her yourself I have not till this day trained her in any form of war but since you want to be cocky, is that what you really want? Do you really want Wendy or anyone else becoming a greater challenge than you give them credit for now?

On the strength of Dirt I will stay away from killing you until I am ready to take your empire. GREF is a large federation and cannot be dealt with on a individual basis, it will take team work to accomplish the removal of such a fed. However, I am glad Aqua (GREF) has started such a war; actually i'm very happy. Iwill show you the reason shortly. Take care Zeba aka female dog (bitch)

Despite being a member of GREF Auriga Bella West, no one invited me to the party ~sob~ so I hope no one minds, but I'm gatecrashing

Hugs and respect

Jo

PS: Crossdale, I'm definitely not 'one of the boys' so by your definition I must be a stupid chick. That will surely make me an easy target when you finally decide to join in ...

Jo, you are most welcome, Abe needs a one up, and a morale booster. I'm glad you can lift his spirits in his time of need. He has disclosed to us that Aqua is losing his desire to fight...even for his own countries. I welcome the added challenge.

Abe, I have not been 'formally trained by anyone. While I have gotten pointers here and there, I have learned through trial and error the ways of war here. The only thing saving you and alot of your federation, is that I lack patience to actually amass tons of ammo in a country for two real weeks. And the difference has been a lack of ammo. Not lack of skill. I don't know everything, but enough to conquer you, and that is a fact. I can only fit so much ammo into a c3 spending space lol.

That's the disadvantage of fighting with C3s, Wendy. IMHO you can only have a really enjoyable and conclusive fight with a well-prepared and well-stocked country. You should try it sometime. Yes it takes patience, but it's a lot more fun and a far better test of skill.

Still, I am sure we will test that theory in the next few days

Hugs and respect

Jo

Indeed I agree in principle that fighting with a well stocked country can be fun, if you win. I am sure i am in a very elite crowd that manages tofind enjoyment in losing. Losing something that you take time to build like John did (6 countries) isn't very fun. Nor is getting them gang banged by a group of misfits who can't respect the game.

Large stocked country, or c3 makes no difference as far as conclusion is concerned. The game is not setup for conclusion unless by mutual agreement of both parties. This end cannot be achieved through the means we have available today. The war engine in its' current form is lacking. There is alot of things happening in the war game that the docs don't even bewgin to touch base on.

So in this instance my c3 strategy is in fact advantageous on several fronts.

I can dictate the manner and pace I shall attack.

My force is light and mobile, therefore my battlefield strategy and execution can be modified rapidly to address any changes in battle conditions.

I could lose 1000 c3s and never lose any sleep.

Although c3s are weak in thoery, I have proven them worthy and capable of taking larger countries. I almost did it here with cd2, and did it on LU with several to three of aquas countries. (although I will say for a long time vet aqua has some of the poorest defenses i have ever encountered, which I can atttribute my success against him)

Also when outnumbered, I don't have to worry about getting my war slaves ganged on by a bunch of blo hards with something to prove.

This has happened before and will not happen again.

You are the best Jo, I've heard so many great things about you. The WendyBots salute you, and look forward to combat

@Jo, Good to see that you are joining, it brings more anticipation to my emotions. However, I have never talked to you or anything of that nature so I cannot say you are 'stupid'. I can say it is stupid to get in my way per se, but other than that I think fighting is a very important part of this game; making corps all day long gets boring IMO.

At the end of the day Jo Salkilld, do what you feel is important to you as an individual (values, principals) and I on the other hand will do and carry out what I believe is best. The big misconception here is people believe that 90% of this will be through physical combat, it will not be like this.

I have done my background check on you and know a good amount of information about your skills and history so good luck on your new venture against us. It was nice meeting you Jo, and thank you for your time and consideration.

"making corps all day long gets boring IMO"

You said a mouthful there pardner!

Jo Salkilld,

Welcome to the party. Our enemies are primarily the top three members of the Rat Pack: Zeba, Aqua Rainbow II, Mr. General DirtRocker.

I assume you don't want to fight members of the federation you are in, so if you send me a note to Map Dominion listing your countries I will see to it that you get invitations to join UC.

I make a lot of assumption. I assume you want to join in on the side that has the moral highground. I assume you want to fight on the winning side, since we are fully justified to defend ourselves against acts of unprovoked aggression we cannot lose and The Rat Pack cannot win. Good eventually always triumphs against Evil.

Jo, I thanks you for your support in advance. Had I known you wanted to join earlier I would of sent you an invitation.

Thank you for your kind words Wendy

You are right that the game is no longer set up for players to reach conclusion, unless by mutual agreement, but surely that only disadvantages those who fight with the intention of obliterating the other player from the game.

As for mobility and dictating the pace - I have never found a well-set-up country to restrict any of those. In fact I would say it gives you a wider range of options. That will be interesting to test.

You are right, Crossdale. We fight according to our principles. I may not have got involved, except that there is a balance that needs to be redressed, and that is that Wendy has involved GREF members who did not demonstrate any wish to fight. In my book it smacks of bullying to issue an ultimatum: leave your fed or be attacked. I am flattered that you took the trouble to check me out. If you have researched my history then you will know that I only fight those who show a desire to do so. I have no wish to spoil the game for those who do not.

My reference was to your earlier comment: "I like Wendy though I consider her one of the boys becuase she gets along with us very well and she is not stupid like most chicks in this game" I didn't assume it was particularly directed at me, but if you generalise, you can expect a kickback from those about whom you have generalised

I would also say that there is a lot more to this game than a simple choice between fighting or making corps all day long, but of course that depends on how you play. I can say, however, that I look forward to getting to know both of you much better.

Hugs and respect

Jo

JO,
"In my book it smacks of bullying to issue an ultimatum: leave your fed or be attacked."

Abe did the very same thing against one of my federation member. That member has asked me not to mention his name for fear of retaliation. I will give him the option to message you if he choses.

JohnL. I am sorry if you mistook my post. I have no wish to join UC. Moral highground is an individual issue and I have no interest in the "he said, she said" that has been going on for the last month between UC and GREF, or in how the war started. As I stated earlier - those involved are biased and those not involved have no knowledge of the facts. I wasn't there and so I don't presume to be able to pass judgement on which side (if any) has the 'moral highground'.

I happen to find myself on the GREF side and I am here to enjoy the war aspect of the game against worthy and willing opponents. I suspect neither side will 'win', but even if an all-out victory was guaranteed to UC, it would not convince me to switch loyalties in the middle of a conflict.

Thank you for the offer though.

As far as your fedmate is concerned, quoting personal messages only comes down to "he said, she said" again. Maybe Abe did message him / her with threats. Maybe an innocent message was misconstrued. Alternatively, it could be pure fiction and propaganda. I have no way of verifying what anyone did or didn't say or mean in a PM. However, I do have direct experience of Wendy's ultimatum since she posted it publicly and unambiguously on this forum and I have seen her declarations against members of GREF who were previously not involved in the war. That's the key difference I perceive between the two situations.

Hugs and respect

Jo

JO,
Can't blame me for trying.

Respectfully John L

Jo, we did ask that GREF members to evict your agressive leaders. Had we been LDI, they proly would have taken all of your fed out without remorse, but only to teach a lesson. Abe and Aqua don't have the decency to leave and fight, why should anyone who supports them be exempt. To be honest, I noticed a freedom fighter country being declared on by Abes Country on AB. Do you think it is fair that he should declare with an offensive nation all while hiding under that local fed air support? I don't. I am of the thinking that if you have your interceptors and helos up when this began, you were caught off guard. If you have them up now, years later game time, you openly support your warring leaders. If i read your country page, and find that your interceptors are responding to my attacks on the principle combatant, why should I exempt you rom military action. I see three possible solutions (tobe fair of course, honestly, my hands are tied). First option would be to simply vote for new fed leadership, in which case we can limit our agression toward actual individuals. Your fed announced this as a GREF action not a personal action. We have asked your fed to do this, and they have ignored our request pointing to the obvious conclusion. Second option is to consider leaving yourfederation until this war is over. And it can be just that, until the war is over. Again, that proly isn't happening. Third you could always drop those wings you have rebuilding every month to back up your claims of 'i don't wanna fight', which seems too more than fair and reasonable. Of course it ian't happnin!!
So you guys tie my hands declaring from another continent shielded by local air defense, while claiming peace for your participating members. To me that is unacceptable. What are your thoughts on this.

Wendy. You are looking at GREF (and LDI) from outside and see only black and white. GREF members have a multitude of choices, a variety of shades of grey. You are the only one who is attempting to limit them.

Your lines are drawn: fed member or non-fed member = target or non-target. Mine are drawn differently. No one but ourselves is in a position to judge whether we are 'right' or 'wrong'.

Your hands are not tied. You are far more in control of your game than you give yourself credit for. May I ask what your motivation is for making war? I aim to meet a worthy combatant on an even field, and motivation is so often the determining factor in ensuring a fair fight ...

Hugs and respect

Jo

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Fort Zeppelin is very severely damaged. Weapons based at Fort Zeppelin may have been destroyed. On the Attacker side no losses were reported. The attack may have been reduced or eliminated by Anti Missile Missiles. Oo Yu Guys Are so Gangsta defense was assisted by the Garrison TG2297 unit.

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Hostilities between Attacker and Oo Yu Guys Are so Gangsta
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Hostilities between Attacker and Oo Yu Guys Are so Gangsta
On the side of Oo Yu Guys Are so Gangsta there were 4419 casualties and 5758 civilians were wounded. Brackley is very severely damaged. On the Oo Yu Guys Are so Gangsta side no weapon losses were reported. On the Attacker side no losses were reported. The attack may have been reduced or eliminated by Anti Missile Missiles.

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Hostilities between Attacker and Oo Yu Guys Are so Gangsta
Monardo is very severely damaged. Weapons based at Monardo may have been destroyed. On the Attacker side no losses were reported. The attack may have been reduced or eliminated by Anti Missile Missiles. Oo Yu Guys Are so Gangsta defense was assisted by the Garrison TG69 unit.

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Hostilities between Attacker and Oo Yu Guys Are so Gangsta
Monardo is very severely damaged. Weapons based at Monardo may have been destroyed. On the Attacker side no losses were reported. The attack may have been reduced or eliminated by Anti Missile Missiles. Oo Yu Guys Are so Gangsta defense was assisted by the Garrison TG69 unit.

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Hostilities between Attacker and Oo Yu Guys Are so Gangsta
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Hostilities between Attacker and Oo Yu Guys Are so Gangsta
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Hostilities between Attacker and Oo Yu Guys Are so Gangsta
On the side of Oo Yu Guys Are so Gangsta there were 7269 casualties and 12483 civilians were wounded. Rock City is very severely damaged. On the Oo Yu Guys Are so Gangsta side no weapon losses were reported. On the Attacker side no losses were reported. The attack may have been reduced or eliminated by Anti Missile Missiles. Oo Yu Guys Are so Gangsta defense was assisted by the Garrison TG26 unit.

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Hostilities between Attacker and Oo Yu Guys Are so Gangsta
On the side of Oo Yu Guys Are so Gangsta there were 7269 casualties and 12483 civilians were wounded. Rock City is very severely damaged. On the Oo Yu Guys Are so Gangsta side no weapon losses were reported. On the Attacker side no losses were reported. The attack may have been reduced or eliminated by Anti Missile Missiles. Oo Yu Guys Are so Gangsta defense was assisted by the Garrison TG26 unit.

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After several sneak attacks after having more than 8 open declarations, I plan to move forward with business as usual.

Inanna will continue being a Merciless Whack Job Mother to the Federation known as GREF.

Jo, I was refering to what the former LDI would have done to your federation had had they attacked them. I don't see how UC albeit onnly two members atm, should limit their targeting to certain members while others passively support them with air defense. I personally find it to be a waste of ammo. But I am more concerned with time.

My motivation is you guys Attacked John L, can it be any simpler? I am a simple lady. I don't need much to motivate me to attack anyone. Usually it is for kicks, this is out of principle. Attack John, you attack me. Case Closed there.

According to my reasoning and forward thinking my hands are tied. I would rather fight just abe aqua and Dirt. But I have been in wars where i hear them message me, I won't get in it. Only to change their mind when their comrade needs theier help. I can only see attacking someone on the sideline as killing the reserves. In other words, YOU who don't wish to fight, need to disassociate yourselves from this conflict. Only you have the power to make that happen. This isn't USA/Iraq WAR, my rules of engagement are simple. Your flag says GREF, you are in a war.

Anything less would just be uncivilized.

Now sneak attacks are my favorite. This marks three different occasions now I have recieved them. I once went on a sneak attack rampage.... Remember the '1 Quadrillion Campaign'. They soon after changed some rules concerning sneak attacks.... I wonder what they'll do this time.

Jo,
"I aim to meet a worthy combatant on an even field, and motivation is so often the determining factor in ensuring a fair fight ..."

How do you consider "Zeba, Aqua Rainbow II,
Mr. General DirtRocker, Christopher Michael, Blue Serpent, Dorothy, Natonorad" VS John L in the opening stage of the conflict a fair fight?

I lost six nice peaceful countries in the opening conflict. I took two of what used to be Aqua's healthy countries so far and I won't quit till he and The Rat Pack beg for peace.

Yes. But then, you were planning to attack GREF. So those were justified defensive actions.