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GREF shows it true color. (Golden Rainbow)

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John L (Golden Rainbow)
25 Dec 2009 01:08 Link
King,
You make me laugh.
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John L (Golden Rainbow)
25 Dec 2009 07:23 Link
To GREF and GREF's Rat Pack: Have a Merry Christmas.
To UC and all Freedom Fighters in Simcountry take a break for 24 hours.
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Homerdome (Golden Rainbow)
25 Dec 2009 07:50 Link
Thanks again Inanna, it was great achieving my first takover. I wish you could have activly participated as the first one, that was a blast, and say so my fed. No hard feelings I hope, As you seem to be a good person with her own thought and goals. As I am also, GREF has always supported me in the game from like the first week I started and I have been in the game now for almost a year, since then I achieved first with my CEO, second with my country(at the same time my ceo won, now both in the dog house). So as you can see from my point of view, I'm not trying to be rude, just defending my fedmates. :)
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Homerdome (Golden Rainbow)
25 Dec 2009 07:55 Link
Merry Christmas To all the UC, and all on SC !
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Inanna (Little Upsilon)
25 Dec 2009 15:57 Link
Homer, yes it was fun, I enjoy the war game, there are no hard feelings, standing in for your federation is honorable, and it will/should build bonds that last. At least they know you aren't dead weight. I have come a decent way and i hope to see you advance as well. No offense taken.

Aqua, when the holiday is over, I'm coming to see you again, but for now Merry Xmas, all you folks on GR....ceasefires recognized for X-mas....
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Inanna (Little Upsilon)
25 Dec 2009 15:58 Link
Oh and Zeb, I seeyour 60 thousand interceptors.... and raise you another 80 thousand....
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Zeba (Golden Rainbow)
25 Dec 2009 16:27 Link
Merry X-mas all :)

However if is my sad duty to inform the UC of John recent actions, which are antithetical to peace and disturbing since it is the holidays and all.

Yesterday a particularly disturbing attack occurred on Christmas eve, as GREF was considering peace or at least a cease fire, but no John had to be the aggressor. John...deccing on me and nuking me are very odd ways to ask for a peace treaty.

Couple days ago a UC noob decced on me, so I returned the favor and decced back. John decced on both the countries involved with this noob, so I decced back on John...knowing that this was all just positioning and that I had no intentions of taking the noobs countries. Meanwhile John and Aqua had come to an arrangement and I figured peace was on the horizon, but in this busy holiday time the GREF Council and members at large were busy, so conversation was slow developing. The noob dec got cleared up with a couple shots...and I backed down from the war with both of them. The favor was returned the next day by John deccing on me with a country he slyly changed names with in order to fool me into thinking he was deccing as usual with a far away country...instead of the country which was within drone and land bridge range. I attempted to come to a peaceful arrangement with John...I left the dec open and didn't fire...only to find upon my return that John had destroyed 10 cites and later nuked me. BTW...i asked him not to fire so that I could finish my x-mas gift that I was working on in my studio, which didn't happen because I had to defend my country...so John...are you happy that someone didn't get there x-mas gift today?

So this is notice to all UC...you can thank John for this continued War. Despite Peace being on the horizon...he has decced on me several times, while I have backed off all wars with him, another vet, and the noob. He has fired on me, nuked me, and generally provoked GREF yet again (1 of the reasons this whole war started)...all in all John Hates Peace and wants the war to continue...is this what the UC wants...if not blame John for what happens hence forth.
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Klarina (Little Upsilon)
25 Dec 2009 17:54 Link
So much for honour.

lol.
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John L (Golden Rainbow)
25 Dec 2009 18:40 Link
First, Let me appologize to Aqua for stating that he had broken our mutual gentlemans aggreament. I realized after my post that his decarations were auto declarations.

Secondly,
Zeba my declaration and attack on your large extremely well defended country Khalistan and the time of the attack was designed specifically to send you a very clear message. You and The Rat Pack made a very big mistake when you attacked me. The initial attack by you and the Rat Pack was on your time and place of choice. I now chose the time, place and person and reason to attack.

I gave you and Dirt the same option to come to a gentlemans agreement with me prior to the ratification of a peace treaty that I gave Aqua.

In a PM I told you that since you all hate me so much that you ganged up on me. I intended to give you a reason to hate me.

You wrote "BTW...i asked him not to fire so that I could finish my x-mas gift that I was working on in my studio, which didn't happen because I had to defend my country...so John...are you happy that someone didn't get there x-mas gift today?"

Zeba, Unlike you, I had plan for more Nuking attack on Khalistan. I had 8 more targets vulnerable. But real life interfered and I had to do one last bit of Christmas shopping. You chose to stay and destroy Freedom Fighter 6 and ignored your friends, family and children happiness.

What was it a Japanese Military Commander said after the sneak atack on Pearl Harbor. I believe it was something to the effect of 'I fear we have waken a sleeping giant'.

I do not consider myself a giant but a very determined, angry kitten. Now some may come to all sort of conclusing about this story I will relate but I want to to hear it anyway.

While on military duty in Southeast Asia at our base hospital, I saw what one Rabid cat could do to two children. They looked as if they had been attacked by a tiger. Laceration to the scalp and face all the way to the skull.

You and your council take all the time you want to decide to give me what I asked you for. Or decide you wont give me a treaty with my terms. The choice is yours. I reserve all the rights and options I have to avvenge the sneak and despicable attack on my empire.

As I told you in PM, My Freedom Fighter c3 are set up with a predetermined mission. When they have accoplished their mission if they survive they move on to a new location for a new mission. That is what you witnessed when Freedom Fighter 6 move from AM to CD. I am glad to see it gave you a false sense of security. Apparently it fooled you enough so you ignored it prior to it assault on Khalistan which made targets availabe for the following game month so that Freedom Fighter 10 was able to Nuke two of your cities.

Zeba, I want peace. But I will not sacrifice my liberty and freedom for it.

Zeba, Do not accuse me of pulling the wool
over your eyes because I changed the name of my country in the middle of a war. You are the one at fault here. You underestimated your enemie's capabilities and determination.
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Klarina
25 Dec 2009 20:32 Link
John, you have a penchant for whimsy paralleled by but a mere handful of pedants and poets. And fewer still who frequent these boards.

2009, a year that will live in infamy, has been forever scar'd by your perculiar and capricious flights of fancy.

To quote the greatest of men,
"The reserve of modern assertions is sometimes pushed to extremes, in which the fear of being contradicted leads the writer to strip himself of almost all sense and meaning."
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John L (Golden Rainbow)
25 Dec 2009 20:56 Link
Klarina,
AH! Indeed you have outdone me. I fear I must admit never having spent much time in the study of the arts and poetry. I quote from my memory what I feel is appropriate and beneficial to my cause.
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Klarina
25 Dec 2009 21:25 Link
"I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve." Isoroku Yamamoto.

There is your allusion in full.

"Courage is what it takes to stand up and speak, Courage is also what it takes to sit down and listen."

I'll grant you that much, this time.
Have a merry day.
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Petra Arkanian (Little Upsilon)
25 Dec 2009 21:42 Link
Sleeping giants are over-rated...

When was the last time you saw a giant-sized cup of coffee?
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Crossdale (Little Upsilon)
26 Dec 2009 00:58 Link
@Zeba:

Sorry to hear about your Christmas, and I hope whoever it is can somehow forgive you. However, yes we do want war in other words screw peace; we have not even begun yet alone started seeing any type of actions from you (GREF) of any peace advancements.

This war could of been stopped the same day it started, but due to lack of leadership skills it has prolonged this far. If you guys don't care..... than we don't care either. Let's all make the right choices from now on.
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John L (Golden Rainbow)
26 Dec 2009 03:52 Link
Petra,
A long time ago there used to be a federation named Sleeping Giants owned by Matt. Mind you that was only one of several federations he had. He was a multi you see. Every one at the time avoided waking that Sleeping Giant. To rouse it was to sign your own death certificate.

I dont know which country you are in Petra, But he in the USA it seems that there are three sizes of cups for coffee: Giant, Bigger Giant and Biggest Giant. I exaggerate of course. Most of the fast food coffee is not worth drinking. I prefer the one I make at home with my coffee maker.
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Petra Arkanian (Little Upsilon)
26 Dec 2009 03:56 Link
I was unaware that Matt was a multi, though everyone else who I've spoken to about him never mentioned anything about that. If he was indeed a multi, then Dizzy shouldn't have butted in when I wanted to raid him and helped harbor a multi. Then perhaps some ancient countries would still be in the game. I know that Tendo, for one, would have appreciated that. Seeing as how the registration had clearly expired and the countries were due for deregistration... which they did shortly after.

By the way, I may or may not have been thumbing my nose at that little bit of "SC History" with my 'sleeping giants are overrated' comment.
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King Yahuchtka (Golden Rainbow)
26 Dec 2009 04:50 Link
And born on-to us a savoir...lol Just thought I'd throw in those words :) Heasus da we'a unka eh shte'a. Merry Christmas Everyone!!
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Crossdale (Golden Rainbow)
26 Dec 2009 04:56 Link
@Wild

I was not aware Matt was a multi and I still don't believe it. I stuck up for him since he was gone away working, and would of done the same for any UC or ally including Yankee or Laguna. So please refrain from bringing me into a conversation you have little knowledge about, if it were your empire and someone was raiding you I would of did the same thing. If he is a multi than so be it, but as far as I know King Matt was not a multi.

You talk about not harbouring a multi but at one time you were in the same fed with the biggest multi in this game, I will refrain from saying names since I am not a RAT, but the people that matter know who it is.

Anyway, now that Christmas is almost over everyone, let's get ready for New Years!!!
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Petra Arkanian (Golden Rainbow)
26 Dec 2009 05:52 Link
Crossdale, I know exactly who you are talking about, and I am not happy about him. If it weren't for diplomatic entanglements and war protection the person would be being dealt with: I don't abide multis. There used to be a time when people would drop fed affiliations and whole worlds hunted down confirmed multi-accounts... I would like to see that again.

My comment bringing you into this was more to highlight John's propensity to make unfounded statements in order to sound authoritative, so now that you chimed in and confirmed what seems to be the general consensus about Matt, let me change my statement: "If he was indeed a multi, then Dizzy WOULDN'T have butted in when I wanted to raid him and helped harbor a multi."

Now that I feel as though I've sufficiently undermined that little invocation, I can put some of this bluster aside for a while and hopefully retreat from these silly war propaganda threads for another two months.

Dizzy, other mentionables, enjoy your holidays. I have some spectacular events lined up for myself to be enjoying with friends. I hope you all do as well.
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Crossdale (Golden Rainbow)
26 Dec 2009 06:29 Link
Thank you Petra. If your spectacular events include vodka please have a drink for me. Once again Merry Christmas to you and your family and happy New Year.
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John L (Golden Rainbow)
26 Dec 2009 18:54 Link
Petra, Diz, Others in AF at the time knew Matt was indeed a multi. I asked Matt about it myself and he told me he indeed did have multiple accounts which were played by other members of his family. After Matt was resported to the GM multiple times he was stripped of all but his Sleeping Giant federation. Honest, I make none of this up to appear more knowledgeble than others. Those here during Matt's reign will vouch that he was a great player and deserved a lot of respect even when he only had one account. I admit the game lost a lot when we lost him.
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Laguna
27 Dec 2009 02:04 Link
It's not like it wasn't obvious. The accounts were all named Matt and the countries were very typical.

Once the Security Council was introduced, Matt had 4 votes - 2 from the "best country", and another 2 from the "best CEO" -, which rendered him the ability to block any resolution brought forth by AF, although I don't remember this happening. Around the same time, incremental government costs related with the size of the empire were introduced. For these reasons, W3C forced Matt to merge his accounts or give him a kick in the behind.

Independently, he should have had only one account all the time. Players usually accumulated accounts, because it was frequent for other players to sell their accounts when leaving. This is something that is yet to formalized.

While Matt was merging his account, he dumped some countries, but he also sold some. I don't remember who bought them, I think Genie bought one or two.


I think GREF's true color is green. It kinda sounds like green, doesn't it?
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John L (Golden Rainbow)
27 Dec 2009 04:03 Link
Laguna,
Green is a good color for GREF. Green for envy and green for greed. GREF knows they are the largest federation that ever existed in GR. Looking for the true reason they attacked me only makes me think they fear the revival of UC.
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Inanna (Golden Rainbow)
27 Dec 2009 04:13 Link
Are SimBucks green?
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Klarina (Golden Rainbow)
27 Dec 2009 04:58 Link
John L doesn't have a colour.

He's completely transparent and not fooling anybody.