My main man Jesus (Kebir Blue)

Absolutly. Do you think that if when you go to a church, and ALL you get is trouble that it is the right one?

Forgive an athiest thats never been to church,but is not any church with any god supposed to be a "right one".

Well if it didnt matter what church or what religion you professed to be, then why not everybody be Hindu, or Muslim, or even Christian? For that matter if all 'Christian' religions are the same, then why not everybody be Baptist, Methodist, or Catholic, etc..?
Obviously being an atheist it would not matter, since there is no belief in a God or higher power, one would no doubt view any 'church' as useless. But for somebody who professes a religion, not just any religion would suffice.

Serpent, calm down.lol.

Gold and coal miner stated he was a christian,read the bible and went to church.

So as a bible reading practicing christian,how did he visit the CORRECT church to be told by you,it wasnt a right church?

Sorry if you misunderstood my typing, LOL, but it can be hard to infer somebodies emotions over the inter-web.
There are many different 'sects' that claim to be Christian, it would be fairly easy to go to one that does not make you feel comfortable. Some may not like the idea of messing with snakes, like certain sects do. Others might not like the idea of confessing sins to another human, thinking that is the only way they can gain gods approval. Some sects do not like the use of technology. There are many things that might make a person not like their church. Alot of it probably depends on why you go.

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I'm curious...what do you mean? What kind of trouble did you get from going to church?

Lol jo-jo, IMHO church/religion is responsible for 90% of ALL trouble in the world EVER.

Maybe G&C got caught robbing the collection box, because greed is responsible for the other 10%.

CraftyInfidel

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Burn the non-believer!

Ok, I'll bite...how in the world could church and religion POSSIBLY be responsible for 90% of ALL trouble in the world EVER?

And if you're saying that greed is responsible for the other 10%, where does that leave beer? Hmm?

What!? No!!! Don't listen to the infidel. Burn him. Buuuuurrrnnn hiiim!! The impetuous smell of burnt human flesh shall scent the night... muhahaha!

why can't we all just get along. my religion witch by the way is not a real religion. calls for free love and beer for all , and of course all the weed and peyote you can tolerate. on a serious note. I do not think that if jesus came back today he would approve all the things done in his name anymore then mohammad would. both preached love of your neighbors and tolerance. people that came after them just fucked it up, and decided to reinterpreit it to serve their own goals and views.

perverts.........ugh

o.k folks! if you believe jesus did exist,and the bible says that adam came out of the dust ground and eve came out of adams body some where.where in the world did all these people came from such as black people,slap eyes like asian people etc.when adam and eve were white and the world only started with 2 people with adam and eve only?explain that.

I would agree that religion is responsible for the great majority of all the worlds past, present and prolly future suffering. There has been many things that has been done in the name of God that is truly horrible. Thats another reason why certain religion's are obviously not good.

the bible doesn't say what color adam and eve were. as far as races that is evolution in action. people develop to the envirment that they live in, and it is happening as we speak.
for example the average black person in africa is lactose intolerent while his desendents in america are mostly not. in addition to other features that have changed over time such as lighter skin color in american blacks. at the same time some white people in the states have grown darker. in some places almost olive skinned. I use america as an example because it is the main place where people from other Continents. that they are not native too have had enough time to show adaptations to their new envirment.

Gold coal, you can't ask questions, you still haven't answered mine. What kind of trouble did you get from going to church?! Or did you just make that up?

And why do you assume Adam and Eve were white? It doesn't say that in the bible. Oh, were you arguing that in a black church, is that the kind of trouble you were talking about?

In the talmud it says that god is the color of the wind. so the question of the color of god is pointless. as far as adam and eve go they would have been dark skinned . fair skin in africa or even the middle east doesn't make sence from a evolutionary stand point.

OK, Serpent, on what possible grounds can you claim that religion is responsible for the great majority of suffering?

Lots of people make inane claims like that, and it doesn't even on the face of it make any sense. I mean, the more I think about it, the more completely ridiculous it sounds.

Haven't you guys ever heard of disease? Famine? Natural disasters? Birth defects? Old age? It sounds as though you are claiming that religion causes these things.

any way you havnt answered my question.that proves the point where jesus is not black and namely the culture jesus came from is jerusalem,israel.so speaking the point of view,where the world started only 2 people are incestral sick people.and you cant tell me that god formed black people from his own flesh and blood.so that proves that jesus did not exist at all.and to answer your question,catholic priest and any christian church priest are sick pedophiles.

also too,no one tells me how high i should jump when ever you ask me.i do not tolerate any one telling me what to do.

What's with the talking? Where's the burning!?

The things you missed with your lack of Inquisition: the burnt flesh, the fetish for said burnt flesh, book-fueled bonfires, underground naughty praying, the suppression of knowledge, lack of development...

On a more slightly serious note, I don't see religion as the root of evil in the world. I don't remember the last war that was fought over the divine nature of God, God's words, the legit holy scriptures, who had the best collection of holy music and books or even who had the right calendar. But I digress.

It is my understanding religion has been used as an excuse over time to further the cause it could be manipulated to fit: that is, all of them.
When the Portuguese first began to expand their Empire, it started with two reasons: to spread the (Catholic) faith and bring in some cash... I mean pepper; we enjoy our food spicy. Furthering the catholic cause gave us some good leverage: better relations with other catholic countries, including in the newly christianized countries, a foothold of power in the new-christian countries, some trade of wine and flour for mass in return of goodies like ivory and pepper, and... ah! an excuse to wage war openly and freely on muslim territories, specially the rich, juicy ones. Common theme throughout this? Power and money (and, occasionally, food); nothing much regarding salvation.

These days we are obviously enlightened people with secular believes. We won't wage war or prosecuted people for something so immaterial as God. Oil on the other hand... Did I say oil? I meant nuclear weapons. ;0

Then again, I really do not care much besides the collateral lulz. But I gotta say, monasteries and convents made the best pastry.

/me throws a pastel de natas at all the heretics' face


With fairness and accuracy, I do have to say the causes of the Portuguese Expansion and expeditions were officially two, at the beginning:
* To spread the faith;
* Find the Kingdom of Prester John;
* And, unofficially, increase the Kingdom's revenue, obviously;
* We can later add, and officially, reaching India by sea.

It is very likely that most are unfamiliar with the legend of Prester John, so I'll explain.

Starting somewhere and somewhen in the XII or XIII century, there begun to spread a rumor across Europe regarding a powerful kingdom towards the far east, a christian kingdom! A Kingdom with a ruler by the name of Prester* John, filled with the marvels and knowledge of Antiquity and embedded with the the grace of God... yada, yada, yada, I'll let you find and read the rest.
*Prester is his title.

In relation with my post, the Portuguese Empire sought this kingdom to aid against the muslims. And probably to find some pastry as well.

I was not paid with pastry to write this post.

yada,yada,yada....preaching some shit about faith from damn God scum of the earth.

Hehe Jo-Jo, you are absolutely right, I did forget beer, much trouble that has brought to mine and others door.

I didn't classify disease, famine etc. as 'trouble', though if you look at it, much of these are the direct result of war or greed. I know you are aware enough to understand that the root causes of all my newly defined 'trouble', from the crusades to extremist fundemental Islam, were/are religiously and economically inspired. Lagunas charming tale of Portugal and Prester John is but one example of many. Who wouldn't kill for a decent cookie pastry?

Can you smell burning?

@G&C, what I infer from your posts is disgusting and I would not blame you for hating all icons of religion for such. Try not to tar all people with same brush though, most are out to help and make the world a better place.

CraftyInfidel