THIS BETTER GET FIXED (Little Upsilon)

Rainy Days on GR:

Last Month Cash 1,507.31B SC$
Interest Received 0.00B SC$
Interest Paid 0.00B SC$
Loan Paybacks Received 0.00B SC$
New Loans Taken 0.00B SC$
Loans Paid Back 0.00B SC$
New Loans Given 0.00B SC$
Cost of Setting Up New Corporations 0.00B SC$
Corporations bought, closed or moved and Enterprise Tax -66.93B SC$
Income from Selling Corporations 0.00B SC$
Cash from Closed Corporations 0.00B SC$
Materials Purchased on the Market 0.00B SC$
Materials Sold on the Market 0.00B SC$
Raw Materials Purchased from own Corporations 0.00B SC$
Raw Materials Sold to own Corporations 0.00B SC$
Cash Transfers To and From Corporations -240.00B SC$
Profit Payments and Cash Transfers 163.92B SC$
Bonuses and Awards 0.00B SC$
Cost of Financial Services 0.00B SC$
Cash Exchanged for Gold Coins 0.00B SC$
Income/Cost of Shares 0.00B SC$
Income from Dividend from Public Corporations 0.00B SC$

Cash Available 1,364.31B SC$

Global Ventures on KB:

Last Month Cash 4,390.10B SC$
Interest Received 0.00B SC$
Interest Paid 0.00B SC$
Loan Paybacks Received 0.00B SC$
New Loans Taken 0.00B SC$
Loans Paid Back 0.00B SC$
New Loans Given 0.00B SC$
Cost of Setting Up New Corporations 0.00B SC$
Corporations bought, closed or moved and Enterprise Tax -80.87B SC$
Income from Selling Corporations 0.00B SC$
Cash from Closed Corporations 0.00B SC$
Materials Purchased on the Market 0.00B SC$
Materials Sold on the Market 0.00B SC$
Raw Materials Purchased from own Corporations 0.00B SC$
Raw Materials Sold to own Corporations 0.00B SC$
Cash Transfers To and From Corporations -180.00B SC$
Profit Payments and Cash Transfers 217.18B SC$
Bonuses and Awards 0.00B SC$
Cost of Financial Services 0.00B SC$
Cash Exchanged for Gold Coins 0.00B SC$
Income/Cost of Shares 0.00B SC$
Income from Dividend from Public Corporations 0.00B SC$

Cash Available 4,346.41B SC$

Spark on KB:

Last Month Cash 2,855.43B SC$
Interest Received 0.00B SC$
Interest Paid 0.00B SC$
Loan Paybacks Received 0.00B SC$
New Loans Taken 0.00B SC$
Loans Paid Back 0.00B SC$
New Loans Given 0.00B SC$
Cost of Setting Up New Corporations 0.00B SC$
Corporations bought, closed or moved and Enterprise Tax -39.54B SC$
Income from Selling Corporations 0.00B SC$
Cash from Closed Corporations 0.00B SC$
Materials Purchased on the Market 0.00B SC$
Materials Sold on the Market 0.00B SC$
Raw Materials Purchased from own Corporations 0.00B SC$
Raw Materials Sold to own Corporations 0.00B SC$
Cash Transfers To and From Corporations -240.00B SC$
Profit Payments and Cash Transfers 99.78B SC$
Bonuses and Awards 0.00B SC$
Cost of Financial Services 0.00B SC$
Cash Exchanged for Gold Coins 0.00B SC$
Income/Cost of Shares 0.00B SC$
Income from Dividend from Public Corporations 0.00B SC$

Cash Available 2,675.67B SC$

Gamemaster, do you think this problem could be fixed before I run out of GCs?

Spark -

Cash Transfers To and From Corporations -240.00B SC$
Corporations bought, closed or moved and Enterprise Tax -39.54B SC$
Profit Payments and Cash Transfers 99.78B SC$

totals = -179.76B

Last Month Cash 2,855.43B SC$
less
Cash Available 2,675.67B SC$

totals = -179.76B

Hence it would appear that the problem doesn't really exist, only that you are transferring a lot of money to your corps. Maybe you have profit transfer too high? A lot of corps there are still young and spending cash on upgrades.

Hope that puts you in the right direction.

I just checked, the same maths applies to your other two enterprises as well.

I'm not convinced there is no problem.

Global Ventures, after profit transfer had been reduced from 80% to 50%:

Last Month Cash 4,080.04B SC$
Interest Received 0.00B SC$
Interest Paid 0.00B SC$
Loan Paybacks Received 0.00B SC$
New Loans Taken 0.00B SC$
Loans Paid Back 0.00B SC$
New Loans Given 0.00B SC$
Cost of Setting Up New Corporations 0.00B SC$
Corporations bought, closed or moved and Enterprise Tax -35.36B SC$
Income from Selling Corporations 0.00B SC$
Cash from Closed Corporations 0.00B SC$
Materials Purchased on the Market 0.00B SC$
Materials Sold on the Market 0.00B SC$
Raw Materials Purchased from own Corporations 0.00B SC$
Raw Materials Sold to own Corporations 0.00B SC$
Cash Transfers To and From Corporations -250.00B SC$
Profit Payments and Cash Transfers 0.17B SC$
Bonuses and Awards 0.00B SC$
Cost of Financial Services 0.00B SC$
Cash Exchanged for Gold Coins 0.00B SC$
Income/Cost of Shares 0.00B SC$
Income from Dividend from Public Corporations 0.00B SC$

Cash Available 3,794.85B SC$

There is definitely a problem on LU with products not selling. The trading strategy I use was doing just fine until recently. Now, red products are not selling for several months.

Sort it out, Gamemaster.

WE PAY TO PLAY THIS GAME.

Flashes... Solaris, Flashes only.

I'm sure you were someone we all recognize, before you were Solaris. This much I am confident in.

Rainy Days on GR:

Last Month Cash 1,223.99B SC$
Interest Received 0.00B SC$
Interest Paid 0.00B SC$
Loan Paybacks Received 0.00B SC$
New Loans Taken 0.00B SC$
Loans Paid Back 0.00B SC$
New Loans Given 0.00B SC$
Cost of Setting Up New Corporations 0.00B SC$
Corporations bought, closed or moved and Enterprise Tax -104.23B SC$
Income from Selling Corporations 0.00B SC$
Cash from Closed Corporations 0.00B SC$
Materials Purchased on the Market 0.00B SC$
Materials Sold on the Market 0.00B SC$
Raw Materials Purchased from own Corporations 0.00B SC$
Raw Materials Sold to own Corporations 0.00B SC$
Cash Transfers To and From Corporations -195.00B SC$
Profit Payments and Cash Transfers 195.71B SC$
Bonuses and Awards 0.00B SC$
Cost of Financial Services 0.00B SC$
Cash Exchanged for Gold Coins 0.00B SC$
Income/Cost of Shares 0.00B SC$
Income from Dividend from Public Corporations 0.00B SC$

Cash Available 1,120.48B SC$

Total Employed 79,733,066
Average Salary per Worker per Month 6,382.00 SC$
Total Production 2,079.97B SC$

Cash Flow - Totals in All Corporations
Total Turnover - Products Sold 2,315.22B SC$
Total Salaries -508.86B SC$
Total Materials Cost -537.64B SC$
Total Interest Paid -0.00B SC$
Paid to Countries for Resources Used -659.11B SC$
Total Fixed Cost -45.56B SC$
Total Maintenance Cost -86.83B SC$
Total Profit 477.21B SC$

Profit Transfer 50%

Global Ventures on KB:

Last Month Cash 3,574.72B SC$
Interest Received 0.00B SC$
Interest Paid 0.00B SC$
Loan Paybacks Received 0.00B SC$
New Loans Taken 0.00B SC$
Loans Paid Back 0.00B SC$
New Loans Given 0.00B SC$
Cost of Setting Up New Corporations 0.00B SC$
Corporations bought, closed or moved and Enterprise Tax -42.52B SC$
Income from Selling Corporations 0.00B SC$
Cash from Closed Corporations 0.00B SC$
Materials Purchased on the Market 0.00B SC$
Materials Sold on the Market 0.00B SC$
Raw Materials Purchased from own Corporations 0.00B SC$
Raw Materials Sold to own Corporations 0.00B SC$
Cash Transfers To and From Corporations -100.00B SC$
Profit Payments and Cash Transfers 3.24B SC$
Bonuses and Awards 0.00B SC$
Cost of Financial Services 0.00B SC$
Cash Exchanged for Gold Coins 0.00B SC$
Income/Cost of Shares 0.00B SC$
Income from Dividend from Public Corporations 0.00B SC$

Cash Available 3,435.44B SC$

Total Employed 103,289,818
Average Salary per Worker per Month 6,300.00 SC$
Total Production 2,846.59B SC$

Cash Flow - Totals in All Corporations
Total Turnover - Products Sold 2,791.64B SC$
Total Salaries -650.68B SC$
Total Materials Cost -833.11B SC$
Total Interest Paid 0.00B SC$
Paid to Countries for Resources Used -812.46B SC$
Total Fixed Cost -62.71B SC$
Total Maintenance Cost -117.07B SC$
Total Profit 315.61B SC$

Profit Transfer 50%


Spark on KB:

Last Month Cash 2,843.76B SC$
Interest Received 0.00B SC$
Interest Paid 0.00B SC$
Loan Paybacks Received 0.00B SC$
New Loans Taken 0.00B SC$
Loans Paid Back 0.00B SC$
New Loans Given 0.00B SC$
Cost of Setting Up New Corporations 0.00B SC$
Corporations bought, closed or moved and Enterprise Tax -28.25B SC$
Income from Selling Corporations 0.00B SC$
Cash from Closed Corporations 0.00B SC$
Materials Purchased on the Market 0.00B SC$
Materials Sold on the Market 0.00B SC$
Raw Materials Purchased from own Corporations 0.00B SC$
Raw Materials Sold to own Corporations 0.00B SC$
Cash Transfers To and From Corporations -165.00B SC$
Profit Payments and Cash Transfers 0.00B SC$
Bonuses and Awards 0.00B SC$
Cost of Financial Services 0.00B SC$
Cash Exchanged for Gold Coins 0.00B SC$
Income/Cost of Shares 0.00B SC$
Income from Dividend from Public Corporations 0.00B SC$

Cash Available 2,650.50B SC$

Total Employed 65,176,672
Average Salary per Worker per Month 5,846.00 SC$
Total Production 1,888.35B SC$

Cash Flow - Totals in All Corporations
Total Turnover - Products Sold 1,755.09B SC$
Total Salaries -381.04B SC$
Total Materials Cost -479.27B SC$
Total Interest Paid 0.00B SC$
Paid to Countries for Resources Used -542.68B SC$
Total Fixed Cost -36.51B SC$
Total Maintenance Cost -72.03B SC$
Total Profit 243.57B SC$

Profit Transfer 50%

Solar Holdings on LU:

Last Month Cash 1,911.47B SC$
Interest Received 0.00B SC$
Interest Paid 0.00B SC$
Loan Paybacks Received 0.00B SC$
New Loans Taken 0.00B SC$
Loans Paid Back 0.00B SC$
New Loans Given 0.00B SC$
Cost of Setting Up New Corporations 0.00B SC$
Corporations bought, closed or moved and Enterprise Tax -18.72B SC$
Income from Selling Corporations 0.00B SC$
Cash from Closed Corporations 0.00B SC$
Materials Purchased on the Market 0.00B SC$
Materials Sold on the Market 0.00B SC$
Raw Materials Purchased from own Corporations 0.00B SC$
Raw Materials Sold to own Corporations 0.00B SC$
Cash Transfers To and From Corporations -145.00B SC$
Profit Payments and Cash Transfers 7.29B SC$
Bonuses and Awards 0.00B SC$
Cost of Financial Services 0.00B SC$
Cash Exchanged for Gold Coins 0.00B SC$
Income/Cost of Shares 0.00B SC$
Income from Dividend from Public Corporations 0.00B SC$

Cash Available 1,755.03B SC$


Total Employed 93,841,553
Average Salary per Worker per Month 6,492.00 SC$
Total Production 2,630.17B SC$

Cash Flow - Totals in All Corporations
Total Turnover - Products Sold 2,313.26B SC$
Total Salaries -609.22B SC$
Total Materials Cost -816.67B SC$
Total Interest Paid 0.00B SC$
Paid to Countries for Resources Used -565.44B SC$
Total Fixed Cost -55.00B SC$
Total Maintenance Cost -79.08B SC$
Total Profit 187.86B SC$

Profit Transfer 50%

Wendy, I have played SC before.

I doubt I am "someone we all recognise".

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Duh, my point exactly


My memory is unparalleled, uncannily photographic is more like it. I'm not sure why. It could be because I haven't been at any college parties in years and I don't get contact highs anymore. Everyone may not recognize you, but I probably would lol.

You "think" we all wouldn't recognize

My wise father always told me, "Thinking comes from not "knowing"

Well I know you aren't American, LuLz

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Corporations bought, closed or moved and Enterprise Tax -221.14B SC$ <!-/Quote-!>

Why is there not a histogram for this value.

I have a very strong suspicion that this is a possible cause of cash drain on CEOs across the board. Maybe not the only source, or everyone's source but for sure a problem.

The absence of a histogram only adds to the suspicion.

I have a number usually in the 200b+ range every month.

I have not bought closed or moved any corporations for as far as my eyes could see.


Is this ONLY my enterprise Tax showing up? If so what is the percentage of tax, where can be found if at all in the documentation(old or new). And why does this value not have its own column. Someone took the time to add it to the previous value it stood for, why not make a separate one in order to avoid confusion.

Also it appears that when you fill certain supplies for corps to 60 months supplies @100 quality, the quality seems to jump back to around the default value for all corp supplies when it reaches back down to 20 months. I don't know how this is the case or how it is accomplished but I doubt my supplies are increasing in quality like that without some hidden charge to justify the change. I have noted this several times. I will try and note it again and post whatever information possible.

Hey Wendyloo,

Solaris used to be known as Kiteless. He was a member of mine, bobo and blue's fed for a while several years back when we were Nueva Vida. He is a brit brat lol I've always known him to be nice, however, I did raise an eyebrow recently when he jumped in on an argument I was having one day with Josias, which was a question if I still thought you were Wild. Never knew him to be confrontational before, so it threw me off guard. Funny how quickly that spread around...... but YOU got that I was speaking hypothetically and not literally....... meaning, do we really know who anyone is.

I have heard through the grapevine that Klar is back in the game somewhere. Then again, who is Klarina? I've given up trying to figure out who is who. The two certainties I have in this game are who I am and who Blue is. lol

Wendy, the only contact we have previously shared is when you made the mistake of thinking I was someone else. I have an excellent memory as I shall demonstrate below.

"Thinking comes from not knowing".

I'm not Klarina... or Steeleknife

Notice how CC called me "Kite" earlier in this thread?

Having said all of that, you raise some good points about enterprise tax.

Jan, sorry about that. I must have been in a bad mood.

It's okay. It's not like I dun have those days. ha ha ha ha :S

I've concluded that Solaris, given his defense mode when asked if he/she maybe is someone else, is Klarina, SteeleKnife, and Wildeye's....


no denying it now Lol!

and for the record, it has always been my position that Akasha was simply Wildeyes in disguise. You know build an account, then absorb it when it grows to be worth something. A shot in the dark.

Anyways I blame the whole derailment of this thread on SolarSteelEyEs

I still think you need to look at why you are transferring so much cash to corps. Your actual sales figures seem ok, are they? you say a lot isnt selling. You could try maximizing corp cash and then you should have no transfers going on for some months even if they all sell zip. Publics shouldnt effect this because I'm pretty sure the Ent doesnt transfer any cash to them regardless.

I'm not saying it is the case, but in the past I have found that the GM doesn't respond to concerns which are actually misinterpretations of the figures or us doing something wrong. Ask them a direct question of how something works and you'll normally get an answer.

I'd rather look for something else to play and then close all of my countries and enterprises. Something isn't right and I lack the inclination to find out why.

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Tom Willard
Friday, August 5, 2011 - 08:31 am

...the cost of upgrades goes off the cash, not influencing the profit.

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So, "upgrade costs" alone could account for enterprise net cash (losses) of anywhere from -600B to -1T SC$ per [earth] day, for 4 or 6 'spin' worlds, respectively, even when a large enterprise (500 corporations) is reporting "net profits".

Sorry Kiteless, but that attitude is typical of you last time. Work it out dude, I have shown you ways, corporate partner just made a very valid point, don't sulk man, get in there and sort it.

Always here to help...Crafty.

WHERE ARE THE WILLARDS!!!!


And so it is... that Solaris is Kiteless/SteeleKnife <------ a name we could all recognize lol.

I have cut profit transfer to zero... more out of curiosity than anything else.

And yes, that is a valid point about upgrade costs.

I wish my loser corps would just close down, instead of sucking my tits dry. I really don't have that much patience to close 70 corps one by one in 10 enterprises.

+1 LG

Really i am not losing as much as all of you and my enterprises are now making money and giving me cash, my enterprise on 75B, but thanks to my dividends i have a good amount comming in, i guess if you ipo more than 3\4 of them you will see less profit transfers. That is why I try to IPO all corporations.