Exclusive vote up to ban Wendy for a little while from the forum (White Giant)

In case you haven't noticed, for the last eight hours I have been entertained elsewhere

WRONG LG please STOP

I would post logs of you in the last eight hours talkin on #simcountry, but you might edit that post too.

Shame on YOU.

Who are you to call "shame" on anyone else? Look at your own behavior.

Waaaah! I didn't get my way. It's all Laguna's fault and he is editing my posts because he doesn't like me.

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I hope you didn't edit this post LAGUNA cause I had to edit it back to what it originally said.<!-/Quote-!>

It wasn't me. I'm not even logged in as a moderator. Why don't you ask Willard, who did it?

I have been entertained on the other chatroom and doing something else. Of all the instances I've looked at the chatroom, I didn't see you getting kicked or anything but stuff related with Obama going on.

I do see now a lot of people repeating my name... not sure why.

Either way, these cases are always best discussed in private with the moderator who acted and the user who was punished or warned.

ok if it wasn't you then sorry, but i fail to see any other mod who would do such a thing. Trust me, even I was a bit surprised.

it'd be nice to discuss things, in Private, but im banned . . .for BS at that.

Just when i try to be kewl and let things go for a bit, some always succeed at pissin me off. Its ok though. I haven't caused you VET ASSHATS half as much trouble as I can.

I don't who is it as well. But it wasn't why as it wasn't I who deleted that Ishmael and something thread.

You don't need to unbanned from a channel to PM a user on IRC. Just type:

/msg [[nickotheperson]]

And as a word of advice in basic communication: threats don't go a long way.

Threats is all she knows.

She loves her crusade against Vets.

[11:23] @Laguna> !seen LoveMachine
[11:23] @iki-ryo|awae> ahaha
[11:23] %X> Laguna, I found 21 matches to your query. These are the 5 most recent ones: MorgoNads, Velma, Doublestar, IkiDidIt, Loire. MorgoNads (ruivo_is_g@84.90.207.218) was last seen changing his/her nick to Laguna on #jozichat 4 days 15 hours 30 minutes ago (16.01. 08:53). Laguna is still there.
[11:23] Treasurer> morgonads...lmao
[11:23] Treasurer> too funny
[11:23] ~Genie> hmm UK to France..
[11:23] ~Genie> interesting
[11:23] @iki-ryo|awae> wendy are you african american?
11[11:23] * ~Genie goes to bed
[11:23] Treasurer> where do you come up with that
00[11:23] ObAmA> nope
[11:23] ~Genie> have a paper to rush for tmr
00[11:23] ObAmA> Im very jewish
11[11:23] * @Laguna waves at Genie
00[11:23] ObAmA> though some would argue
[11:23] @iki-ryo|awae> good luck~
[11:23] @iki-ryo|awae> night :3
[11:23] Treasurer> lmao
[11:23] ~Genie> oh
00[11:23] ObAmA> my husband is
[11:24] ~Genie> before i forget
[11:24] ~Genie> who came up with the rumour of wendy getting op in here?
00[11:24] ObAmA> I dunno jinson
[11:24] ~Genie> not someone drunk or stoned i hope


[11:24] Treasurer> her husband is a gay albino jewish black man


00[11:24] ObAmA> would be nice though


[11:24] LOL!


00[11:24] iki
[11:24] @iki-ryo|awae> T. at least wait for inaguration to be over
00[11:24] ObAmA> no bans for baiting today


[11:24] @Laguna> I think that rumour was about Jozi making Wendy an Op on the other chatroom
[11:25] Treasurer> wendy op? LMFAO
[11:25] @iki-ryo|awae> T. at least wait for inaguration to be over
00[11:25] ObAmA> ahhh
[11:25] ~Genie> ah i see
00[11:25] ObAmA> ok
[11:25] ok
00[11:25] ObAmA> LG that would be nice too
[11:25] ~Genie> other chat...none of my business

F.E.I: Wendy is Obama


I hope that is NOT what you call a warning Laguna. T obviously had me in his sights from the moment he logged on.

Now I don't mind trolls or trolling, sometimes it can be all in good fun, but ban spam is what hes after yet both of you plainly and clearly overlooked what he did, and ONCE AGAIN . . . .ITS ALL MY FAULT

And as a word of advice in basic communication: threats don't go a long way

WHO IS THREATENING? Oh playing the game is a threat now? Indeed! That IS Righteous

and BTW a threat would be followed by this

and NOT this

If this isn't a reason for an iggy button on the forum, I don't know what is.

Ok this is my first post on these forums, so please bear with me.

Dear Wendy: first and foremost I am not in this conflict with you...and whomever you are fighting. I don't wish to be and nor does anyone else who visits the irc channel.


However, I would like to correct some erroneous statements made about my... actions in the irc channel.

For instance, being banned or kicked is not the first response and no one is differentially treated; everyone goes through the same order of outcomes.

If the chat is being disrupting by someone(or people) I try to speak to the person, in public and in private about the behaviour that is disturbing others. 9.9 times out of 10, there is no problem and the conflict dissipates.

However, if it occurs again (same day, or otherwise) after being spoken to several times, being kicked from the channel is the first real warning (the transgressor can then rejoin channel immediately).

The next time, whomever gets another kick, then a short ban, then a longer one, and a longer one.

This is my personal rule system and does not apply to anyone else who ops the channel nor does it necessarily reflect the opinion of the individual who owns the server. (though I my system has never been put into question as of yet).

I should also add that this is the first time I've ever actually had to step in and enforce any sort of rule system. In 6 years of visiting that irc server.

Now, regarding the current... conflict,

These guys (Treasurer and thebrit) have progressed through this system in the same manner that you have, Wendy, I warned them repeatedly (as I did you), I kicked first, and will prob give another kick before I resort to a short ban, as what happened in your case. There won't be any differential treatment regarding that.

Yes, people are being jerks to you, but often times you have started it through indirect /direct baiting. IE: changing your nickname to Stuarts_mum or threatening people who piss you off in irc with a war dec ingame, or just speaking to individuals in a rude, impolite manner.

On that token, there are times when they start it too. But when they are asked to stop, they usually do, while you continue. Lately the fighting has been increasing and its much more difficult to determine who did what first and this and that.

This conflict has brought hours and hours of daily conflict into the channel, often disturbing other people, and all attempts to get you(and others) to deal with it in private have failed.

Wendy, we don't want to have to kick or ban anyone, but several ops have spoken to you about your behavior and because nothing is changing, we have to find alternate means to ensure that everyone in the channel can join in the chat without being disturbed constantly by the bickering between you and others.

We (irc ops) do not like to be put into such a position; we don't hold any ill feelings towards you, but it does get tiresome to babysit your quarrels every single day and we no longer have the patience to spend hours trying to mediate your fighting.

I personally am no longer willing to sift through logs, and babysit the channel constantly to prove who is innocent, to prove who made a no no, and to try to get you to see reason; you are all capable, mature people who should be willing to resolve this on your own time.

You are always welcome into the irc server, as is everyone, even if you have a short ban, we don't hold it against you (personally), or anyone else for that matter.

Many of us would just appreciate that the fighting not be aired out in public, because this is everyone else's time too, and its not fair to behaviour as though your time is more than everyone one else's by subjecting them to this constant bickering day in and day out.

I personally don't need to hear that so and so is this and that, and that she is this and that. No ways. Nuh uh. No thanks. But I do wish you best of luck trying to resolve it amicably, and I hope that you guys will, someday soon.

Sorry if I have offended. I do appreciate the time you took to read this unnecessary essay-post .


Sincerely,


Alexiel (iki-ryo)

Welcome to the forums Iki. Good post babe!!!

You don't see me complaining that I got kicked for a bit. Big deal. Get over yourself. You just aren't that important.

Wendy, we don't want to have to kick or ban anyone, but several ops have spoken to you about your behavior and because nothing is changing, we have to find alternate means to ensure that everyone in the channel can join in the chat without being disturbed constantly by the bickering between you and others.

You have spoken to me about my behavior in response to them saying what they have said.

There is NO comparison. A joke is what it is. A dec is What it is. All are within the parameters of game and IRC conduct. You just don't like it becuase you have known them for longer and cannot be impartial to them.

You have not been fair, dont come on to simcountry forum and try to word your crap all sweet like I am some kind of devil because i am not. I respect your loyalty to your friends but to use that as a justification for bnanning me becuase they get embarrassed for being idiots is not acceptable.

I don't like it, or what you are doing. Now even trying to come onto Simcountry Forums for them and Propagate some crap story about how you have talked to me. I have presented clear proof and examples as to how you are acting very unfairly. YOU HAVE NOT shown even ONE CLEAR EXAMPLE of me instigating anything worth a kick much less a ban. Both of the players who have "your ear" are obviously got themselves banned by their own actions from the forums, not by my request, I am afraid that them appealing to you as they have has impaired your judgment slightly. I no longer have anything to say to you. Except in GAME. . .Welcome to SIMCOUNTRY "IKI RYU PWNED"

Perhaps now you are being properly moderated Wendy - you will see your mistakes.

She impartially kicked us all out of the channel. I have no problem with that as I said. I misbehaved and said some rotten things after I have been continuously harassed by you. I lost my cool, got kicked. You lost your cool and got kicked.

Move on.

JOIN L.U.N.A.T.I.C - check out the LU forum!!!

Wendy has the right to Post, and the NLUO has the right to co exist with this new thing you guys have set up...

Actually, my dear,

I don't come on the behalf of anyone. I am not anyone's close personal buddy in irc(of the people involved in this petty conflict), contrary to what you might think. I've known them for the same length of time that I've known you.

I came because you are talking about me, in a forum that I don't even visit.

I came to set the record straight because I dislike people making assumptions about me and posting Logs about me, intentionally, in a place where I am not present to reply.

So let us begin.

I am a player of this game. If someone is undermining the ~fun~ potential in the game, I have every right to voice my opinion. I have every right to come here to address you, because this is a public forum.

Despite your attitude and comments, you do not own this game, nor this forum, nor other people's in this game and their opinions. You cannot tell us to ~not~ reply to you, nor should you expect that people comply if you are gossiping about them to begin with.

IF i want to say that you're playground fight with those players is encroaching into my ~fun~ zone, then I have every right to come here and say so, just as you have the same rights.

But, IF my post encroaches into your ~fun~ zone, then that would be because that part of the ~fun~ zone is already owned by me. me. not you. Apologies for any miscommunication on that matter.

All i am simply requesting is that you take your ~fighting~ somewhere's else and out of the zone of ~fun~ wherein other players are being disrupted by this fight you are perpetuating.


If you don't like our request for you to not bother people in irc, then that's your decision and I thank you for voicing it. It does not change the fact that you are disturbing people.

Saying "i don't like it" does not add positively to the situation and is in no way an attempt to address and ameliorate it.

furthermore,
You can take your paranoid, conspiracy theories about me back to your own ~fun~ zone, because they have nothing to do with me and I want nothing to do with them.

You are old enough to think before you speak and ought to have learned in the course of your life that you should not threaten people (especially over a silly game) just because you "don't like" that they disagree with you, nor share your beliefs about the game.

IF you have not learned that yet, then now you have been introduced to the concept.

I have not, and will not threaten you, and I won't accuse you of anything JUST to get some sort of make-believe attention and feeling of power. I do not have any ulterior motive for this post, despite what you may think.

Again, my post is simply to respond to the fact that you are speaking about me in a public forum that i don't even visit. and if you thought that I wasn't going to come here and set the truth straight, then you might want to rethink your trolling strategy.

Just to clarify,
I will not threaten your ingame country either , or your friend's ingame countries over a mere forum post.

I hope you are big enough not to stoop to such a low level as well, just to avoid talking to people to work things out.

As I've always said,
I am always open to talk to people so Feel free to contact and speak with me in private, as long as you are willing to be civil and not even mention this fight you are in with them.

I really don't want to hear about it anymore. I'd rather speak to you as a human being, rather than in the context of a role-playing facade.

Lastly, Unless you want me to respond in this forum or in this thread, please don't speak about me when I am not here.

Thank you for your time.

Sincerely,

Alexiel (iki-RYO)

Ding Ding Ding. We have a winner....

Nice post.

(Fearless Blue)
Wednesday, January 21, 2009 - 06:29 am Click here to edit this post Actually, my dear,

"I don't come on the behalf of anyone. I am not anyone's close personal buddy in irc(of the people involved in this petty conflict), contrary to what you might think. I've known them for the same length of time that I've known you."


I have logs to the contrary. It has been stated by more than one party invloved that this is exactly the reason you have increased your presence on IRc.

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"I came because you are talking about me, in a forum that I don't even visit."

Visit or not is your own choice, you play SimCountry, it is your choice to visit the forum.

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"I came to set the record straight because I dislike people making assumptions about me and posting Logs about me, intentionally, in a place where I am not present to reply."

The record is clear. I have pasted CLEAR Examples of your biased abuse of moderation. YOU have NOT other than slandering me by saying that I am starting anything. You clearly have not reviewed the logs that were pasted before saying as much as you have so far. Though you need not review them, becuase you were there AND active yet chose to single me out as a cause of any arguing.

I I I came to set the record straight with clear proof and examples of how this is clearly a cause and effect situation. Though you seem to be happy to fabricate excuses to make it seem all MY fault. WHAT RECORD have you provided?

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"So let us begin."

We should already be finished.

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"I am a player of this game. If someone is undermining the ~fun~ potential in the game, I have every right to voice my opinion. I have every right to come here to address you, because this is a public forum."

Voice your opinion, but don't think you are going to make things "Appear" a certain way, make statements about me, without providing ANY proof of such accusations, and NOT hear it, contrary to what you believe, when you falsely accuse someone of something, you should at least back your claims up with some kind of material evidence. Especially when the party you are accusing has provided CLEAR EVIDENCE to the contrary of what you claim.

Let me get this straight. . . If you come on the forum. And say the SKY is RED, BLACK, AND GREEN ten times, is everyone supposed to believe that the sky isn't blue, though we look up and see it for ourselves??


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"Despite your attitude and comments, you do not own this game,"

Never have nor claimed to? Why spout off about this and that? What purpose does it serve??

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" nor this forum,"

Never have nor claimed to? Why spout off about this and that? What purpose does it serve??


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"nor other people's in this game and their opinions. You cannot tell us to ~not~ reply to you, nor should you expect that people comply if you are gossiping about them to begin with."

Never have nor claimed to? Why spout off about this and that? What purpose does it serve??

What i said was, don't think you are gonna just come onto the forum and fabricate lies to make me look bad while T who clearly instigates like a child, has a vote up to ban me like hes an angel. You can lie all you want, but again WHAT HAVE YOU PRESENTED other than your false statements that everything is all my fault. NOTHING.


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"IF i want to say that you're playground fight with those players is encroaching into my ~fun~ zone, then I have every right to come here and say so, just as you have the same rights."

You can SAY it, but its not TRUE, until you can show something to back that up. Even IF you could, the only thing you would show is mutual provocation. Not some Wendy on a Witch Hunt.


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"But, IF my post encroaches into your ~fun~ zone, then that would be because that part of the ~fun~ zone is already owned by me. me. not you. Apologies for any miscommunication on that matter."

Again you can play the all powerful ban hammering IKI in IRC. There YOU CAN BE Biased and act like you can only see me doing all evil. I believe you only kick/ban me because i have openly questioned your motives for zeroing in on me while ignoring obvious behavior that you say you are banning me for. Its terribly hypocritical.

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"All i am simply requesting is that you take your ~fighting~ somewhere's else and out of the zone of ~fun~ wherein other players are being disrupted by this fight {you are perpetuating.)"

Again you have NOT shown that I am perpetuating ANYTHING. Yet I have Shown it is not as you say. Should I go with the Multi colored sky metaphor again? You should really start SHOWING and STOP FABRICATING LIES AND EXCUSES for your Poor Moderation


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"If you don't like our request for you to not bother people in irc, then that's your decision and I thank you for voicing it. It does not change the fact that you are disturbing people."

Where are the facts? If you mean me disturbing people is responding to st00pid comments while you overlook them. Go ahead, cause if you ignore provocation, yet punish a justifiable reaction, you will have to ban me every time. And show just how biased and hypocritical YOU are. If you own IRC I told you once ban me for good while you are at it for nothing. Show how you really are, not the saint you are portraying yourself on the forum now.


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"Saying "i don't like it" does not add positively to the situation and is in no way an attempt to address and ameliorate it.

furthermore,
You can take your paranoid, conspiracy theories about me back to your own ~fun~ zone, because they have nothing to do with me and I want nothing to do with them."


There are no theories, YOU clearly have shown how you can be, how you want to be, and that you WILL ignore them and blame me for responding. Now I DID ignore T, even asked you why ya didn't ban him. You didn't ban him then, only because I didn't respond. YOU WAITED until he said enough to provoke a response, and THEN YOU KICKED HIM, and BANNED ME.


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"You are old enough to think before you speak and ought to have learned in the course of your life that you should not threaten people (especially over a silly game) just because you "don't like" that they disagree with you, nor share your beliefs about the game."

Again who have I threatened?? OH you mena actually playing the GAME is considered threatening? So if I say, YOU are purposely targeting me unfairly, and clearly abusing your mod powers, but hey "NO HARD FEELINS, I'll SEE YOU IN GAME" Was that really a threat. IRC is one thing. SC country IS a game. WAR IS IS IS a part of the game. You are failing to see that in everything there is causality. You have given me just cause, to say hey, and I quote.

"THX IKI for kicking me for nothing, I OWE you one. When I give it to you, you need not ask why."


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"IF you have not learned that yet, then now you have been introduced to the concept."

Here is a concept, you played me for a sucka, you acting like you have a problem with me. You found one. As a player on Simcountry you are bound by the aspects of the game. It won't be any magic buttons to push, it'll just be me givin ya the business.

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"I have not, and will not threaten you, and I won't accuse you of anything JUST to get some sort of make-believe attention and feeling of power. I do not have any ulterior motive for this post, despite what you may think."

Your entire post is full of baseless accusations. All I am reading from you is contradiction after contradiction.


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"Again, my post is simply to respond to the fact that you are speaking about me in a public forum that i don't even visit. and if you thought that I wasn't going to come here and set the truth straight, then you might want to rethink your trolling strategy."

What truth did you set straight? AGAIN start SHOWING and QUIT LYING. I have given more than one example, and I have plenty, Im sure you know that. Exposing lies about why I should be banned shouldn't be called trolling, but to hear you tell it, I am putting the sun out with half an ocean so everyone can die off. . . .Right

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"Just to clarify,
I will not threaten your ingame country either , or your friend's ingame countries over a mere forum post."

Thc for showing where or why you have a biased feeling towards me. You are offering lots of opinions and ZERO FACTS.

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"I hope you are big enough not to stoop to such a low level as well, just to avoid talking to people to work things out."

I can Talk to make PEACE IF I CHOOSE TO DO SO. YOU and OTHERS DONT DICTATE WHEN IF OR HOW I use the abilities I have paid for with my membership.

AND WE ARE TALKIN, Let me put in LG speak, he said a comment awhile ago, which would either bring or avert war, a simple quote like this one, which I now direct at you,. . "IKI RYU PWNED, Would you like a nuke up your ARSE?! How is that for talkin it out?

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"As I've always said,
I am always open to talk to people so Feel free to contact and speak with me in private, as long as you are willing to be civil and not even mention this fight you are in with them."


I already stated, if you need to prove something, please present some facts, not opinions and propaganda. If you are gonna accuse me of something, please show clear PROOF before sticking your foot in your mouth.

As for being open to talking, sure I'll ask again . . . . "IKI RYU PWNED, Would you like a nuke up your ARSE?! How is that for talkin it out?

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"I really don't want to hear about it anymore. I'd rather speak to you as a human being, rather than in the context of a role-playing facade."

All I can say to that is, "A WISE man once told me, don't start none, and it won't be none.

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"Lastly, Unless you want me to respond in this forum or in this thread, please don't speak about me when I am not here."

Respond wherever you want, show us how much you wish to fabricate without presenting any clear evidence. Thank you AND how could you not be here, if you are posting. WTH are you on?


Thank you for your time.

Sincerely,

IKI_RYO_PWNED_AGAINS_NightMARE

I vote against, I will not be a part of this e-bullying.

Wendy, your posts since the IRC op came on strongly remind me of a certain court case, Gordon v Green in which the Plaintiff filed a 4000 page complaint, the court refused to read it because it violated every standard of reasonableness to expect the court to process such a complaint, and Plaintiff appealed.

Specifically, one section of the opinion

The Pleadings: Gobbledygook

is applicable here.

I am sure as hell not interested in reading a wall of text of IRC logs, and quite frankly, I think iki-ryo feels the same way because your trolling necessitates her to waste hours of her time doing so.

Well don't feed trolls, if you want to be annoyed in less frequency.