Units automatically dismantled and deactivated?

Notifications handles the no warning issue. I agree.
There are other issues.
There is not a decent "grace" period as I understand it. If a player wars and experiences a shortage while forgetting to check before logging out, they log back in and witness their units gone.

I am also told the system ignores units that actually have ammo and disbands them anyways, should the Country itself experience shortage. This is nonsensical imop.

Weapon Quality seems to be completely ignored.
The time and SC$ investment to get that unit quality is ignored.

I think you miss the point here.

If you place an order strategy for ammo, it will hardly ever happen to you.
if you purchase stealth fighter, you must actively make sure there is ammo.

your UNITS are not dismantled.
max one unit, and only if the country does not have weapons, including the reserves and an alert that could be given when ammo is low.

In case a unit is dismantled,
quality is averaged with the country stock. Not much lost there.

This might be reviewed. The quality of a unit that cannot fight should be reduced to a very low level. it should depend on the situation of the unit in case it is dissolved.

In general, the quality of units is the average of the quality of the weapons and the ammunition.
if there is no ammo, what is the quality?

It's probably seen as zero (for the non existing ammo). I don't remember, will check, it was done some years ago.

I know I should place ammo orders and keep my Stealth supplied and I do. I have two countries where this concerns me, taking care of their military. I even bumped my order strat and may do so again, because I don't want to experience this nonsense, not even by accident.

I don't want is folks to be penalized like a couple other decent players were, because they forgot to check before logging out for the day. Grace periods. There is no reason there cannot be one.

Units were dismantled andy. craig lost two fleets. He likely retained a majority of the weapons in his stock, but the units did disappear from the map.

If there is no ammo you lock the unit from fighting because they have nothing to use with their still existing weapons. Unit Quality should be calculated just like always and the unit should remain intact. If Unit quality is reduced to zero, but the weapon quality remains, I am fine with that.

Yes.
units were dismantled.

I wonder if they had the notification on low ammo in place so they would get a warning.

You can turn them on and get a mail message or other message.
Not many are doing this but it would help preventing it.

There is also no need to check before you go for the day.
these shortages do not come overnight.
there is a lot of time between shortages and any problem with a unit.

Some have systematically neglected ordering ammo.
you really must turn off automation to get as far as some did.

It was also used to eliminate cost of ammunition because the negative numbers do not go very deep and in fact, no ammo was used at all.

The problem was quite large and it is now improving considerably.

So what you are saying Andy, is you can war and you don't need to check your ammo before you log out and can return the next day with your units intact?
Why is it when craig did this, his units were not left intact? Am I missing something?

Please, can you explain what your hangup is with a grace period?
And can you explain what is you are going to do when an extended artificial shortage happens?
Are you just going to allow people's defenses to crumble without a shot fired?

Im missing my fleet. I checked the deactivated stock and well they are not there.I have tons of ammunition. and alse the fleet was a strat fleet. Even my nuclear subs and missiles are missing. Where did they go ??? thats almost 900B gone and i play in KB

That's the same that happened to two of mine. They seemed to have all the supplies they needed, but just finished a war.

Please read the game news.

also activate the notifications warning you of ammunition shortages.

it seems that this point is not taken very seriously but ammunition shortages are disastrous for your army.

Andy, is it possible that Navy units could be dismantled in the time it takes for a supply unit to reach them?

No I don't think so.
The supply unit does not have any supplies for them as the stock of these materials in the country was negative.
otherwise, the entire procedure would not be triggered.

The only way this procedure can start is if the country stock goes negative.

then there are several steps before it gets to dismantle.

simply buying some ammo would close the issue.

Might be nice if You told Us how to activate notice. Where the hell is it?

Craig, just make sure Your Country has the backup ammo BEFORE You war. I have plenty of supplies if You need them. You know where I am. lol

Thanks Andy and Jennifer. I thought I had more than enough of everything, but I guess I must have missed something. I'll take better care in the future.

Yeah this auto dismantle stuff is getting stupid. Had a whole fleet dismantled without notice.

Seriously, this isn't making sense.

Even with my ammo being automatically purchased, units and garrisons are falling apart left and right. This is absolutely ridiculous! Really Andy, why was the negative ammo such a big deal to you anyway? If there is an egg shortage do we dismantle the chicken coops? Negative ammo means
NO ammo, just like any other product that goes into the negative.

There is no way to manage this, especially with all of the ammo shortages, and there are allot of shortages going on.

Just please do us all a favor, don't dig your heels in over this and bring it back to normal. It's not about being right in your own mind. This is ruining more of the game for players working hard.

Let me give some non-bias insight here

Guys
I'm going to side with Andy on this issue, I've been around a long time. People having massive neg number ammo numbers in the past was pretty bad, and got heavily abused if you knew what you where doing. It was a problem and was something that needed to be addressed.

Andy
Something i don't think the GM considered was disbanded units become deactivated. As you know we can only reactive so many weapons per month. When this happens during a war, it can all but shut down entire military's. If the markets in the red and you cant get interceptors missiles,you have to watch your ENTIRE defense disband, which is kind of absurd.

What i suggest is that the GM add a feature that instead, when a player runs out of ammo on (DEFENSIVE FORCES) all needed purchases are auto bought for the player on the immediate buy setting. This means the SC economy is still stimulated, and players get what they need. When it comes to offensive weapon units, i think the rule should remain the same let them disband and all.
The GM needs to look at defensive air wings/garrisons as special because they are critically important to the defense of our nations

Negative numbers abuse is simple to fix, just flag the units as non-deployable until the situation is rectified. You could even prevent purchase of new weapons until it is rectified. There is Absolutely no need to disband or convert anything.
I can live with it looking to weapons not in a unit, as the first option for conversions. I can keep a stock of disposable weapons for 'just in case' as well as increase my ammo levels on the off chance I might overlook something later.
Will a New player think of this? How will new players react when they don't have a clue what is going on to begin with? How will new players gauge how much ammo they need before war and AFTER, when experienced players misjudged it or overlooked it? Do we expect new player retention to increase with this 'feature'? Not likely, more likely the opposite.

This may fix an issue needing to be addressed and I am not saying the issue should not be addressed. But seriously, this is not the best way to do it. The game needs more players, not more crap to confuse and irritate new folks.

Rage Fury - I agree with you just make the units non-deployable until they have at least the minimum ammo/weapons needed. That is what really happens in a military. I agree something has to happen but disbanding units and even whole navy fleets is totally unrealistic. Especially at a time when the GM has decided to turn this into a war game while at the same time limiting raiding for the cash needed to maintain a proper military.

If there is ANY conversions to be done, it should look to country stockpiles for the resources needed to construct the ammo. It should convert the resources a corporation would use to construct the ammo but perhaps using a bit more than a corporation would and with an added fee to make it so it is not cost effective to let this happen. Thus encouraging countries to continue to buy ammo as per the usual.
Until said conversions are done or ammo is in fact bought, the units should be non-deployable and remain so for both defense and offense. Upon rectifying the shortage units should immediately be deployable once more. They should remain left intact. That would be the logical solution imop.

I don't think this works properly? I had a con missile shortage of -50. Last night when I checked I had 1900 con batts in that country. I log in today and only have 1400 batts but still -50 con missiles. The sale of 500 batts cant cover a -50 ammo shortage?

Something's not quite right here. I don't understand why there was a need to sell my damm weapons. Highly prized weapons at that, which aren't easy to get. I'm perfectly capable of fixing this shortage myself.

nobody ever had anything dismantled without warning.

The notifications, if set as we have advised are on time.
you can wait for the notification or just check your ammo and make sure you do not have any shortages.

notifications come she your ammo goes under what you need to a age year.