Can I have a refund? (Little Upsilon)

No, I'm totally serious... if I can get refunded the time I have left on my account, you can wipe my countries and assets and everything, W3C.

You have killed nearly everything in the game that is fun for me, and what is left is just barely worth hanging on to. Combined with page load times, difficulty accessing the server, and the sheer time it takes to play at the level I enjoy, I'd rather cut my losses now and invest in a different hobby. Maybe one that involves sunlight.

This is really a win-win option for you, because otherwise I can just stick out the months left on my account, raiding and making money, turning it into coins, and I can cash out more than I have paid. I'm not a big spender. In a year and a half I have only paid for my registrations and shown I can amass assets far greater than my initial investment, even at the lopsided exchange rate the cashout feature employs.

I would like the last payment on my account, minus time played, back, as well as the payment I made into Bayar Saratoga's former account, again, minus time.

I have been a faithful and loyal customer. I have never employed the cashout feature because I don't believe in it - games should be played for fun, not for making money. I do not wish to use the cashout feature now. I only want time I have left refunded to me, as I am no longer satisfied and no longer having fun.


Regards,
WildEyes / Petra Arkanian / Valkyrie / whatever other alias I have used while playing

*cough* Cybernations is better. *cough*

"the sheer time it takes to play at the level I enjoy,"

I hear that one load and clear

nothing, but respect, to add Petra

I have emailed the gamemaster to be sure my request comes to his attention, as well as offering further explanation for why I am now wishing to leave the game.

I am very serious about this. Gamemaster, please, if it is not within your power nor policy to issue a refund, let me know and I will just begin liquidating my account into coins.

It will be very sad to see you go

How is a refund different than cashing out assets for the same amount?

I believe raiding and liquidating players would be helpful to W3C. It might create hatred directed at you personally but a competitive gaming environment increases activity and intensity. Removing people's countries will help alleviate the pain they feel from page load times.

Rather than threatening W3C you should consider your cash well deserved payment for services.

"How is a refund different than cashing out assets for the same amount?"

Principle. However, in practice it isn't other than the fact that I would rather have my money back and be done with it rather than lingering around.


"I believe raiding and liquidating players would be helpful to W3C. It might create hatred directed at you personally but a competitive gaming environment increases activity and intensity. Removing people's countries will help alleviate the pain they feel from page load times."

Not when you consider how many players have quit because of my actions in the past. People respond worse than just personal hatred when you remove their hard-earned empires from their possession overnight - they aren't just angry at one player, they quit the game. It is never my intention to make people quit. Personally, I feel that the way I play makes the game more fun and more interesting. I blame the way the game is marketed and run, as well as the general community for the poor reaction to losing assets. They're just 1's and 0's. But this isn't the place to go into that. We can start another thread if anyone wants to expound theories on gameplay.


"Rather than threatening W3C you should consider your cash well deserved payment for services."

I am NOT threatening W3C. If I was threatening W3C I would say something ludicrous like an intention to force players out of the game by attacking, or that half-baked idea on GR to dec on all the C3s. That's not my goal.

I am merely saying, I have a lot more assets that I can cash out than the last payments I made... more than all the payments I have ever made, actually. If I so choose to liquidate, W3C will have lost money from my playing the game. I know they are okay with that. They have said that the number of payments in is so grossly disproportionate that it offets the players who make money off the game. I simply feel like W3C deserves the money I have put into the game because they have offered a service that I have enjoyed.

However, I now no longer enjoy the service they provide, and I want the rest of the time I have left refunded. No more, no less.

If W3C doesn't care, then I'll just go ahead and cash out, but I'd rather do it this way.

If you had read what I wrote, you would have known this already. I'm not asking for all my money back, only the time I have left, which means they get to keep the 'well deserved payment for services.' And because I'm in a poor mood, fuck you for being a pretentious bit of cunt snot.

Very sorry to see another great player fed up.

Cybernations, eh?

Have to check it out. If it is even remotely interesting....

@Sheep: I respect your patience with W3C, but those who have been around this game for a long time know that you, yourself, will eventually quit in disgust. It's just a matter of time. When one stops to consider how many players have come and gone in what is a continuous play game setting, with minimal time requirements, the fact that there are so few vets remaining should be an indication that something is seriously flawed in either the game's structure or its management.

I have checked out cybernations and while as not micromanagable as Simcountry .. it will VERY soon replace Simcountry as my first online based Game I login to each night.

While not a Vet in SimCountry i'm working on finding that replacement Game

Wild, you will be missed when you do eventually leave. You have been a great inspiration to me and a good friend.

I hope that all goes well for you in RL.

Also, anyone looking for another online game, check this one out;

http://www.torncity.com/register.php?XID=1151936

Countries should have no monetary value. It would eliminate the need for W3C to curtail cash and many other unpleasant things that have been done to this game I truly enjoy.

Cashout for playing a game is a bad idea.

Dam Wild please don't leave. You are one of the last remaining vet's around. If you do chose to leave than i wish you the best. Don't you think you should stay at least long at least to nuke me into the stone age again. Anyway best of luck your friend. Eb

I never liked the cash-out feature either.

I also never liked the cash-in feature - buying pop and game cash with RL money. Strategy games shouldn't be based on who has the most RL money. (Even though I've never actually fought a visa warrior I still don't like the concept :P)

Oh wellz. I'm done in 5 days too~

Sorry to see you go Wild. The game wont be the same without looking over my sholder to see if you have taken any nearby c3s....
Anyway, have fun it what ever you do!

Yes a good question and what is "Cash out"?
I am getting really frustrated by the continual modifications to the game making harder to play.
I was just a few RL days away from reaching level 5 when they put in the first group of changes to how work groups advance. It took almost a month to fix my economy and then that is when the next changes hit. A month later it starts to balance and they make another change. The last changes they made caused both of my enterprise to become unprofitable, and several of my countries are loosing money instead of gaining now. Do they even calculate what their changes are going to do before they implement them?

Anyone who thinks Simcountry takes strategy anymore is either a terrible player or not playing long enough.

I explained this to W3C in my email as my primary reason for wanting to leave.

When I started, high salaries vs. low salaries was a viable arguement, and both did work, and various corps worked well at different levels, and YES, there were tradeoffs. Stats, privates, CCPC, ECPC... all had their pros and cons, which are now largely gone. Whatever benefit came from carefully managing your country and crafting its economy has disappeared, and there really is no reason to not become a CEO haven. Even in the wake of this fact you could still craft your economy and sell to your CEO and make a slammin' country, but after price averaging the effect is once again minimal.

There are many, many other things I could outline.

The war game? It's just a procedure you memorize and carry out. Experience teaches you how to improvise when things go awry, but that's it.

I'm no longer paying for the same product I once was. That is the gist of my arguement. I suppose w3c isn't going to let me do this the easy way... so now I'm going to have to waste MORE time getting everything set up for cashing out, and doing it at the rate $25 a month.... I only wanted $72 back. Do I really need to spend three months, plus the time needed to get everything set up, to get just $72 back?

So, here is my parting wisdom:

Want to learn how to be a top player?

1. Become a CEO haven, have at least 60m pop.

2. Run low salaries. Run them as low as you can without losing workers.

3. Have 40-50k interceptors and 30k helis per country. Yes, you can do it. Yes, it's easy. And it used to be in the newspapers as country advice. Dunno if it's there anymore.

4. Have enough ammo.


Steps 1 and 2 will make you a good economic player.

Steps 3 and 4 will not matter for 90% of the players, because they are only interested in sitting around counting their 1's and 0's in a dutch server. Of the maybe 10% who attack, that will fend off all but 2%. Those 2% will kill you anyways, so you should probably just make friends with them and maybe learn the tricks.

W3C should just delete all the game documentation and put that up instead. It's all you need to know, which is sad, because there used to be many ways to do things and be good at this game. Granted, they still work to greater or lesser degrees, but those 4 steps are the easiest way to do it, and yield the same amount, if not a little bit more in returns.

You're an angel.