Open Letter to SimCountry.... (Golden Rainbow)

Forgive me LG but I have to address this issue.

I ask you all. What would you do with only the economic side of this game? What if, there were no war at all. Would you stay or leave?

I'm about to do something that I have never tried to before. Everyone knows I have a valid yet controversial C3 style of fighting. This has been criticized heavily by my opponents. Unfortunately it is highly effective.

On only one occasion have I ever used this style of fighting against a real player other than Aqua Rainbow. It was quite effective though much of it was weapon tests, he did somehow become active as I got WI down close to zero. I figured I could win, but he didn't fight back until I nuked him several times on LU. I have seen countries get destroyed by groups of players in minutes. Can I be blamed for using such a style? MyLogicIsUndeniable am I right?

Some say that I am being destructive to the game. But the fact is that I have not been aggressive to almost anyone for an entire year, or MORE!! Even in the 3m thing, I only stood in defense of some people who stood in defense of me. Who the heck does that in this game anymore? Your left hand can't trust your right hand in this game. Loyalty is a myth except a few who have those bonds established through time in the game together. The difference between the 3ms is i felt like it was a freind vs friend thing. So I stood in defense of the weaker one. Though I was tempted to do more that was the extent of my c3 fighting. No shots fired, well a few, but EO took a few countries from me a long time ago for STUART (so no hard feelings there right haha). What is happening now, is for the first time, I am engaging a world power federation with my c3 style, and to their dismay, they aren't my friends.

It has been said that I owe SimCountry an apology for this. But nah, I'm not feeling guilty at all. The fact is that like when I first joined this game, I worked on principle, win lose or draw. More losses but when have I cared about that. Fact is, that a group of fellas used an economic mask as a cover for revenge of some really old rivalry stuff. There was nothing fair about it. They took the man's belongings and ran with it. What they didn't expect was a variable in the equation. They miscalculated. Like Hitler, he sure did take over Europe in a hot flash, but he overextended, and underestimated his enemies resolve. Resolve to see the war through. GREF has miscalculated Wendy's resolve. The c3 style is not for everyone. I admit it takes a great deal of patience. My objectives and goals must be claer cut and precise, often with very little time to execute. But this is the most flawless tactic, I have seen employed even moreso than the 'gang-bang'. It takes several well stocked countries to take a man's empire quickly. The cost of prep is high and maintaining such large army is expensive. How could I expect to take an entire feds worth of countries while actively defending them simultaneously against several opponents. Fact is, even against player with moderate knowlegde, it cannot be done singlehandedly.

On this point some say, I am defeated, I cannot take everything in one tender moment. So therefore, obviously I lose right? Wrong. I only lose when I stop follow through. In this instance follow through was halted by a peace treaty, which was only agreed to at the principle point of the scale tipping. A number of things occured at precisley the right time coinciding with a true opportunity for victory. These were changes in the market for weapons, free WP expiring, transfers of already stocked weapons and ammoes. Once we had pushed through this limited time period where all these things become a factor, this is where little c3s become giants.


Now I have had mercy. and mercy has betrayed me. Only the merciless shall beget mercy. GREF has shown no mercy. Why should I. You guys show no respect for a lot of people that could really have you in due time. Maybe I don't either but that is beside the point. I want to continue what should have been done over a year ago. A real year of war and tragedies of circumstance. No not by noob killing, but by takng out those who perceive themselve to be invncible giants that are unshakeable.

This will be a systematic fight not a suicide run. I have to do what i want to do the way it has to be done. Realistically of course, the hard way. Sorry if you can't keep a huge army active for many weeks time, or if you have to deposit rl cash to pay for your power grabbing.

Apologize they say... well, I don't think so. Truth is SimCountry, you need people like me. So you can point your little fingers and say, "Thats the badgurl!" And you know what I say to that, you sure got that right. Without controversy, without substance, without purpose; playing simcountry is meaningless.

Zebs, Ian Daddy, whoever in the clique wants to sign up for mass destruction. Bring that Arse, becuase I'm gonna spank the skin off your back til you acknowledge, you gotta pay the cost to be the boss!!

Forgive me those who get caught up in this. I will make every effort to add populations to my main so you can move corps housed in GREF target centers. I don't wish for you to have any loss in the matter, but GR has plenty of CEO friendly nations that would enjoy your support.

vHappy Hunting 2010

Wow Wendy...quite a novel you had there ;) I think what you are touching on is an issue that EO and I have debated previously, just how much war protection should one be allowed. Although I don't like the c3 style of fighting it is indeed completely within the rules of the game and allows players to taunt and terrorize other much larger empires without risking anything of value, so if you don't mind spending the time it is a method that will ultimately burn your opponent to the breaking point.

I'll make the same point here that I made during my conversation with EO, if you are acting aggressively towards other players you should not be allowed to maintain war protection over the valuable countries in your empire. EO had some great points during our conversation which I can't remember now as I'm quite burnt out, but I still think that wp should be limited in some way, perhaps a max of 3 rl months total per year? And in addition make the recent changes to game levels stronger in that a person may not toggle between war/econ status without a significant waiting period and while in econ status they may not dec on any rl player but a person in econ status can also not be decd on by anyone else which would allow those only truly interested in the econ side to enjoy the game in their own way.

Those are just some thoughts off the top of my head. Please take no offense Wendy as I do not blame you for working the current system to maximize your own situation and abilities, it is within the rules and a great strategy when you are outnumbered or facing an enemy with far greater assets/visa cards. However, just yesterday I had a certain someone, won't say who, tell me that they were going to be a nuisance and terrorize my empire with c3's while surprisingly enough all of their valuable countries were in wp...I know this isn't a threat this person would make or action they would take if they had something of value to lose. I guess I've seen players use wp for far too long to protect their own terrorizing ways to avoid having to pay any consequences for their actions and I just don't see how that is in the best spirit of the game, it really should be limited in some way other than by how many gc you have to purchase wp which by my understanding was originally designed to allow a player to know that his or her empire would be protected while on vacation or away for other reasons.

WB

I think we may have come to the point where war protection should drop for all slaves of player who has not chosen the economic side of the game. It is kind of whacky to be able to declare war with certain parts of an empire while having other countries sidelined during the war.

I'm glad the Jozi chat is coming up, I encourage everyone to show up. This will be a rare opportunity to discuss things otherwise unmentionable. War and econ side of the game should certainly be among them.

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Don't quit Wendy

WhiteBoy. Does taking countries, militarizing them and using them in war not also happen in real life?
I do like the idea of econ/war status though, for there is always more than one way to skin a cat that gets out of line.

I raise my glass to you Wendy. I know how much commitment it takes to mobilize a C3 fighting force. I guess it's like driving a F1 car (Indi car). Each lap (Warrior C3) is the same as the last one. Paramount is the focus needed to go through the motions. One mistake can create all kinds of short term problems which in-turn can have devastating effects on the effectiveness of the lap (Warrior C3). Then there's the organization and the implementation of the car (Warrior C3 fighting force).
Hardcore. True NATO Stylie.
Theres nothing wrong with getting your hands dirty if you believe in what your doing.

Nix...not sure that the real life comparison works in your favor. In real life *no one* has war protection and every country can be attacked at any time regardless of whether the president is on vacation or is re-working their garrisons or air defense. In real life your home country would face consequences for acts of war by countries in your empire...this is of course a game so I think there should be some allowances, but your example would actually lead to a stronger stance than I am taking.

WB

I was making the comparison between real life and C3 fighting.

This is stupid. I've tried a few times to write out a little thesis for this thread but it always boils down to the sentiment that "this is stupid." Let me try a bit of free writing instead.

The people who are driven away are the ones who let themselves be. I'm not "blaming the victim," but if you enjoy this game then you will keep playing and meet challenges as they come to you. Lets not forget that at one time there were numerous people who wanted to drive wendy out of the game. It's actually personally pleasing to see Wendy taking the stand she is. I remember how she screamed when Barney took her little C3s when she was in Valde, and now she realizes the pedagogical point behind his action. It's part of the game, and you either learn to play with it or you shouldn't play at all... And yes Wendy, I remember how I screamed too when you started sneak-attacking our corporations.

Learning how to play with it doesn't mean becoming a warlord. I could write volumes on the various things I mean, but there is nothing better I could say than "Look at WGC." They've come a long way in the past year.

In fact, not playing the war game is what holds people back and allows them to be blind-sided. True, genuine noobs don't have much of a chance... but after the 3/4 month mark you should know some basics. I would be very very wary of accusing people of driving new players out of the game. The biggest threat to any given new player is the imbalance - not just by assets but also of experience - the other players have over them. Don't make that imbalance larger by sterilizing the game of its military dynamic.


As far as the issue of C3 fighting goes... W3C has done a lot to neutralize the ability to utilize C3s as a fighting force. For the most part, any moderately sized country with a reasonable defense can ignore them. This of course assumes proper nuke defense which still seems to elude many players. C3s alone and without the support of a war slave simply will not win against a semi-active defense.

What muddies the issue is the ability to keep large slave in WP and do all the fighting remotely through C3s. I would love to hear some arguments about how this adds to the game. I think it adds nothing of benefit. In fact, I think the WP system itself is flawed and a vacation mode would be much more suitable - or even a peaceful empire mode now that we have peaceful levels. Such a feature would be easily implemented.

Keep secure mains (or at least for now), make the new feature be all-or-nothing with regard to slave countries and devise a limit on how many times you can toggle it and how long between switching. 4 times per RL year seems more than reasonable, for example. I imagine it most people don't go on vacation more than 4 times per year or have more than 4 extended emergencies. For people who want to play peacefully they can just leave it on the whole time. Have peaceful mode prelude declaring any wars to prevent people from abusing it to build up around others. Those playing the peaceful game wanting more countries in order to level can either buy them through the game, on the cash market, or they can risk toggling their mode for a day or two.

IMO seems perfectly reasonable and a lot easier than the WP system... lets not forget how WP doesn't protect players who have severe emergencies and run out of coins or can't get back on to extend their protection periods in time. I'd even be willing to keep WP in place on FB, since that's the ONLY world it makes sense to have a pay-for-protection system in place on.

I've read some pretty sophisticated explanation above for and against WP and peaceful play and driving noob away from the game.

In my time here in Simcountry, I've generally fought wars to defend myself or members of my federation and avoided attacking inactive in my enemies federation.

Since the end of the Aqua War between GREF and UC. I've had a lot of time to rethink my warring activities. Consider the strong deterrent to waging federation wars if the chairman of opposing federation went into a war knowing his enemies will do everything in his power to completely destroy the very federation he has spent much time and devotion to build. Consider, he personally might come out of the war with few scratches and bruises and look around to see he has lost most of his federation.

I am seriouly considering a new war ideology. In real history, the major powers went into a long and protracted Cold War Era. The primary reason this happened was that facing the possibility of a global nuclear war where all involved lose all was unthinkable and totally detrimental for humanity's survival.

I believe, recent game war practices are moving the game so that players should seriously consider the survival of their federtions before they chose to initiate wars which could destroy in a few short months or weeks what they have spent game months and game years building.

My advise to those players who wish to stay out of wars totally is to weigh the benefits and obligations of federation affiliation. Most federation admit members fully expecting every members to stand up and defend the federation in case of war. So, Why should a federation chairman lament the loss of a noob in his federation who did nothing to defend the very federations he joined knowingly or unknowingly acccepting an obligation to assist in the defense.

in rl i work long hours sometimes, and theres days i carnt even get time to log on,so hopefully wp will stay.But what if they made it so as soon as a player decs on another player he loses wp, just an idea.

@JohnL

"My advise to those players who wish to stay out of wars totally is to weigh the benefits and obligations of federation affiliation. Most federation admit members fully expecting every members to stand up and defend the federation in case of war. So, Why should a federation chairman lament the loss of a noob in his federation who did nothing to defend the very federations he joined knowingly or unknowingly acccepting an obligation to assist in the defense. "


That's a good way for someone to get picked off by raiders.

Petra,
I agree. Thats is why I suggest that the player who is playing with a war option should carefully weigh the pros and cons of federation membership.

Imagine joining a "peaceful federation" and after joining that federation decides to wage war. At this point the peaceful player again needs to consider the pros and cons of continued membership. The point here is that Simcountry is a proactive game and situations change all the time and players need to realize that they cannot remain stationary in a mobile, changing environment. What was a good decision yesterday is not necessarily a good decision for tomorrow.

Yes I screamed a whole lot. At the time, I had just figured how to make a country profitable, and addedp 3 million pop each to the two c3s Barney took. What happened afterwards, was and still is an sc career shaping event. It went on for months and alot came out of it for me. I got my but kicked alot but, I'll never scream again HAHA

I still don't know if it was a good or bad thing.

What does the people say? Do you prefer IAMWENDY or Inanna?

LG...it's all your fault!!

You did want them to teach me a thing or two.
I think the Choice should have been between

The High Profite$$ ~OR~ Inanna

I like that this thread is finally getting some attention, I'd really like some more opinions from the community on my idea of econ only countries that are severely restricted from declaring war on real players...I'm thinking a minimum of 5 game years before they are allowed to dec on another real player and no war protection for a period at least one real month. Also, if something like what I suggest above was to take effect which would allow players truly only interested in the econ side of the game to maintain their safety, there should clearly be a limitation on the wp abilities of those not classifying themselves as econ only so what should those limitations be?

I know this wasn't the intention of your initial post Wendy, sorry for hijacking your thread a bit.

You mean teach one thing and a half? ;0

No problem WB

First off, Fearless Blue is the war world. If you want to fight all the time, you need to be on FB.
I would like to see a balance of wp on all worlds except for FB. I would like to have some economy only slaves and military slaves. Could we not have secured mode for econ only countries? Lets say if your WI is above a certain number you have no secured mode?(except for your main).
And when in secured mode you cant remove it to dec on another player or C3? You can only dec with your known war slaves.
I would also like to see the blackouts changed to at least 8hrs or 16hrs,(sleep and work hours),And we can set for say a week or 2 if some are on vacation.

'A week or two' blackout periods equates to stautory war protection. You get it for free ... if you don't go on holiday excessively ...

Hugs and respect

Jo

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What an interesting bump :s Memories....

Knew there was a pattern...

i thought wendy was quitting... have to admit i smiled