W3C - Shortages of wind turbines

The numbers you see as requested and offered on the market are the numbers that can be bought and sold.

Orders and offers that are placed at a fixed price level, many time far above or far below the market price, are not counted because the only function these orders and offers have is to influence the market price.

Also, orders in immediate mode are ignored and then removed from the queue.

the numbers you see are reflecting orders and offers that have the potential to be traded.

Discrepancies in the numbers are becoming less prominent when the market is more balanced.

On a different note:
We keep checking corporations that are offering their wind turbines on the market at market price and did not see any corporation, doing so and not selling.
We asked several times to get a name of a corporation, offering wind turbines and not selling any but every name given to us to date, showed it is selling on the market.

You could always check your own country Aviv on LU that has 3 WT corporations and a combined 486 unsold Wind Turbines at the time of this post. That's an average of 8 months worth of production on each unsold. That country and its corps have only been mentioned multiple times in this very thread. If you can legitimately claim to have looked at the countries people have given as examples and looked through their corporations logs and you don't see a problem, that itself is a big problem.

Hey Andy -

My empire has more demand than the market. How is that possible? The game is saying less turbines are needed on planets than I myself need. Sometimes I need five times more myself than is listed as global shortage, such as when I posted yesterday. I am demanding five times more than is shown for the planet. The demands are not met so why is the demand not shown?

It's not pending immediate orders. It's not pending fixed price orders. My empire needs turbines. I'm not placing enough fixed price orders to be relevant to this.

I comment because while it may not be found yet, I still believe something could use fixing regarding the market calculations.

Andy,
Are you saying that Bellville wind turbines in nevrondona empire on wg doesn't sell its products on the market, or that it doesn't sell at best price, or that it doesn't sell 120Q? I've checked it several times and have purposely not contracted it to myself to test it. That Corp does everything you say it needs to do to sell all of its products every month.
Again yesterday, I issued multiple orders from several countries for 16177 WT at 203M, the maximum allowed price. The WT market remains in the red, but I continue to have unsold WT in corporations. How is that possible?

Andy,
Are you saying that Bellville wind turbines in nevrondona empire on wg doesn't sell its products on the market, or that it doesn't sell at best price, or that it doesn't sell 120Q? I've checked it several times and have purposely not contracted it to myself to test it. That Corp does everything you say it needs to do to sell all of its products every month.
Again yesterday, I issued multiple orders from several countries for 16177 WT at 203M, the maximum allowed price. The WT market remains in the red, but I continue to have unsold WT in corporations. How is that possible?

Same on LU Andy.

I had time to investigate the problem.

https://sim05.simcountry.com/cgi-bin/cgi2nova?SN_ADDRESS=wwwCountry&SN_METHOD=ccorp&miCorpNumber=1385024

One of my turbine corporations is holding 2138 blades in a deep red market.

They are available for sale, just not being bought.

Thats 106 months of production,

Johanes,

Thanks for telling me where this corporations was located.

I found it.

It is not selling at best price.
It is selling at Q 303.

Andy,

You keep mentioning the sale quality:

does best price sell any quality? Never thought it did but maybe?

Or are you saying we need to close and replace any corps with upgrades, and not upgrade future wind turbine corps? This has never been an issue with other products but is here?

Is there some way that none of us have found access to to change selling quality to lower than actual?

When you sell at market price, the chance to close a deal is larger.
the compromises made by the trading algorithm are more significant.
it tries to make deals.

there is however no guarantee.
if the orders are all at Q120 and the offers at Q303 as in this case,
there might not be any transaction.
if Q120 is ordered, there will be no transaction.
If market price is requested it depends on numbers, shortages, the time orders are sitting there and the difference in order and offer qualities.

the chances are growing with higher order quality requests.

many players want EP at a higher quality because EP is used in the production of everything and its quality is a factor in all products.

someone said here, that one of my corporations in Aviv on LU was not selling.
This was proof that the market does not work.

I changed the offers to market price and everything was sold in one go.

Andy, so does that mean that selling at market price will sell the product at any quality, regardless of the corporations production quality? I'm just trying to get a simple answer on how this mechanic works. As almost all demand is at 120Q do we need to stop upgrading oury corps, do we need to close and replace currently upgraded corps?

These are issues that have never been debated until recent updates with windfarms. As several have noted here and on discord, almost everyone buys weapons at Q330 but no corps produce that high yet they get delivered and all corps products sell, almost everyone requests Hospitals, schools, universities, roads, etc... at Q120 yet most if not all corps produce higher Q and yet the orders get fulfilled.

People are confused as what has worked for years with everything else suddenly doesn't work with this one product. It's functioning completely different than every other product on the market and we're trying to understand it.

Ok Andy.

I switched to best price 12 hours ago.

https://sim05.simcountry.com/cgi-bin/cgi2nova?SN_ADDRESS=wwwCountry&SN_METHOD=ccorp&miCorpNumber=1385024

Still holding 2138 turbine blades.

No change.

I will check again later.

Just an FYI.

No change Andy,

https://sim05.simcountry.com/cgi-bin/cgi2nova?SN_ADDRESS=wwwCountry&SN_METHOD=ccorp&miCorpNumber=1385024


Still holding 2138 turbine blades.

Wow, just wow. I was also having my Wind Turbine corporations have their products remain unsold on the market during the time this discussion was ongoing (fortunately the issue was later resolved). I only ever used Best Price, (there is no such thing as setting a corporation to SELL at 'ANY' quality, Andy's statements in this thread seem totally detached from reality).

I'm so glad I was too busy to read the forums at the time, I would of been pulling my hair out in frustration reading this thread.

There was clearly a grave error going on, that disrupted the global wind turbine market for a prolonged period, while the GM/Andy completely denied it was happening.

I'm normally pretty keen to give Andy the benefit of the doubt, and defend him from unfairly harsh criticism, but the way he treated players raising serious issues in this thread was dismissive, involved frequent gaslighting, and was quite frankly appalling. At best I can hope this was either a translation issue, or Andy was under extreme stress at the time. In any case, it should never happen again.

I unfortunately have to agree with you Daniel. The situation has also not improved. Many threads on this forum, which isn't exactly bustling with activity, bring up topics that specifically call for input from Andy that go completely ignored. Even when he does respond it really has lacked effort. One of his forum posts this time after being completely absent for more than a week without any notice again, asked a player to share their world and country name for him to look into a problem that was brought up and answered by another player 5 days earlier. The post was made in the Fearless Blue section of the forum. That along with the player's name being attached as the author of the post makes it trivial to track down the player's country if it really needs to be looked at. I mean it's trivial, but when you're the one getting paid to manage the game from all of these subscriptions that we're paying, the bar for effort should not be so low. Multiple times just in the last couple months alone we have been completely without a game management representative and there are still a lot of unresolved issues out there.

Johanas,

It is very strange.
This corporations is selling a lot of products every month and is very profitable.

it has these wind turbined on stock and they are not selling.

we will look into this case, coming Monday evening and I am sure we can find out what the problem is.

I will et back here on Tuesday to explain.

Thanks Andy.

Johanas,

we are currently looking into it.
What we found so far, in that specific corporations, is that:

1. It produces and sells each month and it is doing very good.
2. The corporations shows that more than 2000 turbines are not sold
but when we look into the offers of the corporations, of unsold
turbines, there are NONE.
3. It seems that the corporation is counting, or was counting in the past,
the turbines it is putting on the market, it sold them but never reduced
the numbers outstanding after they were sold.
4. There are none to be sold now. The counter is only a counter. The 2000+
records for each turbine on "offer" are non existent.
5. There are also a few corporations that do have a large number of wind
turbines "stored". This too is most probably another counter that was
not reset. We are looking into it and the records of these corporations.
5. We are not done yet.
There are open questions we need answers for:

Why are these corporations owned by one player. (could also be 2 or 3
players. we have now seen only one).
We had a "cheat" recently that made it possible to "purchase" huge
numbers of products and in fact not pay for them. we see similar dates.
Corporations cannot hold many products unsold. This is happening here
with this product.

More later