W3C - Trading in Simcountry (Little Upsilon)

I would like to ask Mr. quaxocal of Golden Rainbow to post some of his calculations so that all can see the math and the data. I ran acouple of calculations and I was shocked that the game has miscacluated my profit.
more to come. I just want to chack my math and run it past my accountant.
Nute Gunray

@Nute, just click on any corps in a C3 to see the most recent thing Quaxocal posted. Or refer to my above post where I did a copy-pasta of the relevent info from a C3 corp. Just, checking a C3 might be easier since it's nice and organized and formatted.

I have posted some of my calculations and math and data in another thread in this forum.

Only a few people were taking me seriously at that time, so the thread died.


Tom, and others at W3C, your credibility is sinking faster and faster with the more we players are discovering on our own. And I am confident that we will continue to discover more ways in which you guys are BLANTANTLY LYING to the players who are PAYING YOU REAL LIFE MONEY to play this game.

Petra posted a C3 for all to see, how the 185 magic quality works. If that C3 was owned by a player, it would be 100 quality.

You complain C3's weren't making profits, so instead of fixing game mechanics, you CHEAT, yes CHEAT, to ensure they make a profit. Because if you did NOT cheat, they would not make anything.


Oh, forgot to add. C3's also get a 7.5 BILLION income booster each month too!


Way to go Tom, way to go.


Nute: I'm sure your math is correct, as I have had at least a dozen veterans who have been playing ALOT longer than me, confirm my findings on the price cap problem, including Treasurer and Laguna.

Q

Tuco pointed out in IRC that it is probably of no consequence to the GM whether or not C3s actually make money.

However, my objection is that we are allegedly being forced to accept an 'averaged' price on our high quality goods, which loses us money by catering to the demand for lower quality.

However, C3s are magically producing 185Q products, so when a player buys from a C3 - 1. There is little or no averaging, if said player purchases at 190 quality, 2. said player has to pay the average if buying 100Q supplies.

So, players are forced to take cuts when we sell out products, yet C3s are allowed to sell at price, with magic quality bonuses and make more money? Or again, suppose someone buys at 100Q, the C3s are producing 185Q products from 100Q conditions, and an 'averaging' down for them still yields a magically provided quality bonus.

And if you think about the percentage of product on the market that is C3 made, thats one big bucket of our cash.

My review of Recent Sales by wccpu 0003, which is a CEO controled private corporation that makes computers, revealed to me that these players seem to have a valid arguement. The game is not properly compensating the corporations for the products sold.
base price of Quality 100 = 859 SC $
Product Quality is 328
998 systems were sold on LU via a common market contract on the LU world date Sep 03, 2377 the price received was 2,527 SC$.
Now for the math:
I believe the forumala should be: Base price X Qualilty of product expressed in a precentage of 328% = Price received
Thus 859 SC$ (base price) X 328% (Quality of Product) = 2817.52 SC$
However the recent sales data shows that the corporation only received 2,527 SC$
THIS IS A HUGE DIFFERENCE
So to work this out I would use the forumla but now the unknown is the amount the price was increased due to quality upgrades.
Thus 859 SC$ (base price) X Q% (Quality of Product) = 2,527 SC$.
Q% = 2527 / 859
Q% = 294%
My conclusion is that while my company should have been paid 2,817 SC$ per system the market made it only get paid 2527 SC$ per system.
The difference is 290.52 SC $ per system. Wow if I was to try that at the local store they would laugh and say come back when you have all the cash.
Now on this sale date that happened with 998 systems for a shortage in my profits of 289,983.96 SC$.
One final thought - I realize that in the real world companies do offer discounts for buyers who are buying a large volume of products. However if this is what simcountry is trying to do then the CEOs and Presidents should have the option of offering such discounts. This is just an example of one corporation. I am sure like Mr quaxocal of Golden Rainbow said we could all list countless examples here on this froum.
Greetings to Petra Arkanian of Fearless Blue. Perhaps it is time for drastic measure on the part of the Presidents. I have a few ideas how to correct the C3 corps magic. But I think it would be far better if Mr. Jozi, Mr Tom Willard and their team sets it back up to where we can at least make a few SC$ without all the trouble. I mean after all would anyone want to play monoply if the rules were changed to decrease the cash. I sure would not. the only reason I like to play monoply is to try to get the most cash.

Pull me back together
Or seperate the skin from the bone
Leave me all the Pieces, and then you can leave me
alone
Tell me the reality is better than dream
But I found out the hard way,
Nothing is what it seems!

I push my fingers into my eyes
It's the only thing that slowly stops the ache
But it's made of all the thing I am today
Jesus, it never ends, it works it's way inside
If the pain goes on,
I'm not gonna make it!

Nute Gunray

Nute, I promise you that if you ran the same math for ANY private corporation above 300 or so quality, you will get a similar result.


There is a price cap in place, period. Its plainly obvious from all the data we have worked out. I really don't want to have to go through and post loads of examples to show W3C yet again that this is indeed true.

Q

NUTE AMMO COMPANY Daily Telegraph, Oct 22, 2377

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Teach Message
Thu Oct 19, 2377 Your corporations do not produce a profit. As a result, the enterprise is losing money instead of making some. Corporations make profits if they produce at full capacity and sell all their products. Make sure you increase production levels and hiring and mainly, make sure you sell the products in direct contracts or on the market. If there is a surplus of products on the market, you may decide to reduce your prices or increase your quality. If your products remain unsold, you will not be able to make a profit. You can make an automatic connection between the quality of your products and the price you sell them for. This will automatically update your pricing to the current quality of your products.

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You can make an automatic connection between the quality of your products and the price you sell them for. This will automatically update your pricing to the current quality of your products.


You can make an automatic connection between the quality of your products and the price you sell them for. This will automatically update your pricing to the current quality of your products.

You can make an automatic connection between the quality of your products and the price you sell them for. This will automatically update your pricing to the current quality of your products.

My quality is high but the profits are not increased to the right amount. I am forced to believe that the Daily Telegraph must be a from of propaganda. Is the Daily Telegraph trying to disseminate information aimed at influencing the opinions or behaviors of large numbers of people to make them think they will be paid the profits they deserve?
I think so. Meanwhile I bet someone is saying to themselves "Suckers"

Nute Gunray

Please leave this and other matters in my hands.

If you would like to add a comment or notify a new problem, please message me a text with details. I will see what I can do.

Laguna

Thanks LG, and good luck!

Yes, hopefully it results in better than good luck, cuz I'm gettin tired of this.

Hope all goes well LG.

EO

Good luck LG

Thank you for taking on such a daunting endeavor Mr John R . I wish you great success. I believe if any player can effect change in this matter it is you. I just hope that it is not like the battles that Don Quixote de la Mancha had to wage. Also I would be glad to sell you some computers at a discounted price but sadly to say I do not have an coffee corporations to help you out at present. I am ordering 3 new coffee corps in my ceo when these are built I shall send you some coffee so that your workers can be ready to produce the products.

The request to build a company that produces Coffee has been made.

The request to build a company that produces Coffee has been made.

The request to build a company that produces Coffee has been made.

10,000 thanks to you Mr. Laguna.

High Profits to all.
Nute Gunray

I shall rejoice also!

Thank you and best wishes with your quest! If there were not for people like you - educated, knowledgeable, experienced, honest, caring, selfless, unbiased and with a clear vision -, this game would be without hopes.

Lead the masses to better tomorrows! We know you can do and we trust you! Thank you Laguna, thank you!

tuco

Good luck Laguna, hopefully you get better results with Tom and W3C than I did. If you need assistance feel free to ask me. If there's anyone in this game they might listen to, its you.

Q

Good afternoon Mr. Laguna,
Just as promised I am sending some great tasting Colobian Coffee to aid your workers in this time of need. I will try to send more asap.


Direct Sale proposal created.
Direct Sales Proposal: Sell Coffee to Lance of Longinus 437,165 tons at 2,342 SC$ per ton.
Contract proposal created. Proposed Trade Contracts: Sell Coffee to Lance of Longinus 437,165 tons until canceled 2,342 SC$ per ton.

High Profits to all.
Nute Gunray

Mr. Laguna,

I am also preparing an offer to aid your workers in this time of need.

Direct Sale proposal created.
Direct Sales Proposal: Sell monkeys who excel at synchronized swimming to Lance of Longinus 12 units at 15,342 SC$ per unit, plus cost of bananas.

I feel like the Little Drummer Boy. I have nothing to offer Laguna compared to coffee and monkeys who excel at synchronized swimming.

Maybe I'll just send him a worker exchange offering him my last 2000 High level managers even though I somehow have a shortage of 37,000 high level managers.

I no longer have anything to offer. Thanks W3C!