Major Bug After WL18

What I take from this discussion is the following:

some want war levels to go

others want to fight at wl 3 but for strategic reasons, not for money.
others probably want to have a financial advantage.

You are saying you want to fight any country and should not get attached to a certain country but it seems to be all about C3 wars.

My comments:

We will look into the possibility to fight and stay at the same level with no financial advantage what so ever and stay at the same wl.

we will consider making it possible to attack a wider range of countries with fewer limitations.

Countries in wl lower than 3 will not be attacked at all.
Players who are not interested in the war game and do not attack others will remain in a lower wl and cannot be attacked.

We consider winning against very high wl C3 countries a sign of experience and will pay high gold coin awards.

We would like less regulations less government etc.
We always bumped against misuse of features and were forced to make concessions.
protect peaceful players, protect very small countries against players to tried to kick as many players as they could out of the game.

when considering changes, we will think hard about how to protect such players.

We have created a world for PvP wars and there were no takers despite high cash $ awards.

FB is a war world. I think that we should start removing limitations on FB. it should be a world for experienced war players.

There are also other comments but not directly related to the war game but please add whatever I am missing.

Andy players who do not wish to participate in war can choose not to by only keeping their secure mode country or by buying war protection boosters for their slaves. War levels have killed all interaction between players because there is no incentive to reach out and make allies since everyone gets free protection when they are under war level 3, which is probably where 95% of the players are. If you took out war levels from FB I would make that my primary world in a heart beat. War level restrictions are absolutely devastating to the game. There is no excitement and risk like there used to be in the past. This game used to be very hardcore.

Go FB go!!

John,

we used to let players choose between a peaceful game or a war game.

what you are saying is that everyone with more than one country will be exposed to war, even a new player tho followed the war tutorial and got himself a second country in 10 minutes.

why attack peaceful players while there are war players and you can fight PvP wars.
Very few dare to fight real PvP wars.

PvP wars should not be against peaceful players.

New players and peaceful players will have the possibility to stay out of the war game.
If they try it a little bit, that is OK too.
if they start building an empire with more countries, they are obviously into the war game and can be attacked.

Andy it is about creating an atmosphere for this game. If players feel there is no risk to war, as is the case now, they will play very differently than if there was a risk. Players that feel no risk generally do not reach out or participate in the community. They are essentially playing a single player game. When players feel that there is some risk, they make allies, form federations, figure out who their neighbours are. There is none of that right now because there is no incentive for players to do this. The game has no atmosphere right now. Without war, we are essentially playing a spreadsheet simulator with a bunch of C3 countries. In the past before war levels I used to maintain standing armies because you had to. No one has armies deployed in peacetime now. Players who participate in war create all the drama and excitement for this game. No one participates in war right now because 95% of the game is below war level 3, so the game has no excitement. Its a snooze fest right now. Why is it a bad thing for players to lose slave countries? Their secured is safe, their CEOs are safe. Why should people be completely insulated from risk. How is that making a good game? We all should have some skin in the game. Pretty much every browser strategy game has pvp without an option to insulate from it. Why should this game be different. Secure mode, ceos, and war protection boosters is plenty enough security for players in my opinion.

Andy Im telling you this as someone who is mostly a peaceful player. I think I have a good pulse on this game and what things would work and not work. Im not making completely uninformed suggestions to benefit myself. I want this game to thrive, but war levels are killing the community interaction. If youre worried about what will happen, do it on FB only as a experiment and I think you will see it become the most active and popular world.

Just as a side note, to illustrate how important player interaction is to the health of the game. Look at LU. Do you know where the greatest cluster of active players are? The areas surrounding North West Lacerta, which includes East part of Virginia Bella and South East part of Centura Donna. In that small area we have Letsie, Johanas, Robert, Wicked Lady, Agoria, Scott Isaac, and myself. People are choosing countries around there because it is slightly less of a snooze fest than the rest of the world because there are some active feds there. If war levels are gone you will see more active feds forming because they will actually serve a purpose. That will be good for the health of the community. Most of the feds right now have only one player in them.

And again you keep bringing up players who do not want to participate in pvp. That is what secure mode is for is it not? If a player conquers a slave country they are clearly showing an interest in war and should not be 100% insulated from it.

I very much agree with John, being too much secure is wrong way to play this game. The good way is to allow players to lose but help them to rebuild and fight back. Why not to remove all war restrictions from FB and see what happens, this has been asked for years.

I think I was never more engaged into this game than when I lost my first empire to Knights who say kneel federation. It was 15-16 years ago and i can still remember the trick they used to win the war, it was by far the best game expierence, and I returned to this game for moments like this.

yeet i was mentioned in a comment whoot whoot

LESS GOVERNMENT wait for it wait for it LESS REGULATION

Robert E. Lee

and ive stated my opinion i think war lvls need to be on the way out or at least let WE the people have a vote on it

I am going to say something that most people here probably do not understand.

I think war levels are pretty good for 90% of the players and worlds. When I started playing (when I was just a little boy) I got destroyed, and destroyed and destroyed and destroyed again. It was not a pleasant experience being farmed again and again.

Most people posting here will say: GIT GUT or you should have done x or y. But when you are new to this very complicated game you do not have the insight and the contacts to do all those things.

I 100% agree that FB should be a real war world without war lvls. But I also think war levels are far less of a problem then most people in the forum make it out to be.

So my vote would be something like: remove war levels from FB and just see what happens.

I think your suggestion to have to option to remain at war level 3 is a great one, and I'm encouraged by it. I would like the opportunity to fight wars, at war level 3, without the financial incentive; that would get me interested again. However, I'm locked in at war level 14, so would the war level three declaration be available for higher level war players? I say this because the war level 14 is not truly reflective of my war capabilities. In other words, I'm not that experienced in it at all. That's not reflecting well on me, however the war levels were pushed up only by me fighting C3s. War lvl 14 is impossible for me, and even if I could, it would be a major drain on resources and my time. It takes days to even wage a war now.
So I ask that I can attack C3s, at lower levels, for the features stated above.

Thank you, I'm looking forward to this.

I agree with the statements here, particularly for FB. War has been dead on the other planets for a long time, but FB used to still have some war game. I came back to FB and find it just as dead as the other planets with regard to war. For instance, in both of my countries on the "war world", I have ZERO defensive weapons because why would I bother with that? C3s can't attack me.

we will reexamine the war limitations on FB and try to removed.

I do not think that we should go back to the destroy-every-new-user mode we had for some time.

I also promised to have a re evaluation of the forced level increase after each war.

Go FB go!!

@ Zentrino, I'll come attack you! :P


@ Andy, my dear beloved Son,

I do hope that you will bring back some of the "old days" in the war game. I know that measures had to be put in place to protect newer players, BUT, I like bringing the need for Federations and their support back. Back in the day when I played, my Federation protected me. Because I wasn't the skilled fighter, I stayed in war protection when instructed, provided air defense when needed, and fought along with them when I could. We all played our parts/roles. My specialty was always recruitment.:-D

On FB, I think it would be great to bring that style of play back - the competition between federations and such. It supports involvement with players, interaction, training, hopefully "good-nature" drama, and fun that can extend for many years.

I think players like myself, who remember those "good ole" days, can never really get past it, because that was the "thrill" for a majority of players, who have loved this game through the years - even those who didn't war. The econ-only players were supported and needed. They taught econ because as you know to be strong militarily (is that a word??? lol), you must have a strong economy! :-D

I don't know how much work this would be, but I think it certainly is something to consider. The other worlds can be limited so newer players can become trained and skilled to eventually join FB if they are driven to play the war game with annihilation and what not. lol This would provide them time to be safe and learn. It is a starting point and will take time to catch on, if you move it back in that direction.

Just some thoughts from your old Mom! :P

Thank you for listening to everyone and their ideas. We really appreciate you for that!

Awesome news for FB. I have a small outpost there that I have been neglecting. I will put some more effort on it now in light of the changes. Looking forward to a vibrant FB!