Islam

In responce to Sams thread 'Freedom of speech'.

Sam. Your thread is about freedom of speech. Yet your subject matter is showing one side of Islam with no attempt to show the other side.
I'm sure that if I knew more about you, I could make a short film that only showed the bad side to you. And knowing what I do know about you, you would do everything in your power to stop me from showing my film. And if you could'nt, I'm sure you would make your own film that showed your good side.

Now, I'm no saint, so why should I feel the need to fight for the people who believe in God?
Well, I don't. What I do feel the need to fight for is the truth.

First there was Hinduisum, then Judaisum, then Buddhisum, then Christianity and finaly Islam.
To me this means that Gods last words where spoken to man through Islam. Meaning that Islam has more of a reason, compaired to all the other religions, to feel like they are the true word of God.
Now if you are a unbeliever, they will not befriend you. Why would you want to be friends with your enemy?

If you believe in the word of God through the text's of Christianity, Buddhisum and Judasium, Islam respects that but urges them to accept the new installment to the texts of God (Islam) as the new wishes of God. And until they do so they will never truely be people of God.

If you attack the final word of God, then you have proven to be the bad man, thus you deserve to die.

This means that unlike the other religions, Islam, like Sikhisum has enemies, which keeps them in this narrow minded understanding of Gods wishes. The Bible also has passages calling upon the believers to rise up and destroy the bad man, but due to Jesus's message of forgivness, the bad man has always got away with being bad. This is where the koran is different, for it also calls upon the believers to rise up against the bad man, but Mohamid's message is one of not letting the bad man get away with it.

Christianity: Gods way of showing that sometimes you should forgive.
Islam: Gods way of showing that sometimes you should not forgive.

God probably saw that with the good man forgiving the bad man all the time, the bad man did'nt learn any lessons. So he decided that sometimes the good man would have to fight the bad man and to show the good man how to do this he gave us Mohamid.

You can't blame them for what they are doing, for they are just doing what God tells them to do. And due to the rise of the bad man in the world, their will is becoming stronger.

Now, what God needs to do now is either reafirm the act of forgivness by giving us Jesus. Or give us another profit to show us when we should forgive and when we should not forgive.
For this would mean that Islam would no longer be the last insallment to the path of righteousness. Thus creating a greater understanding of who is the bad man and how to deal with the bad man.
Until that day, stay away from the bad man, respect the good man and pray for the righteous man.

Peace&Hardcore..............Nix001
MNA

Oh yea. We wonder why they hate the West. From what I can gather the Muslims did'nt concider the Crusaders to be Christians. They concidered them to be Westerners. Meaning, everytime a Western force steps foot in a Muslim land it's concidered to be an continuation of the Crusades.
Also, by the accounts of the Crusaders, due to starvation, they ate Muslim children.
This is what is being taught to the children of Islam. The same as the Holocust is and will always be taught to the children of the world.

"God is a thought who makes crooked all that is straight."

"First there was Hinduisum, then Judaisum, then Buddhisum, then Christianity and finaly Islam.
To me this means that Gods last words where spoken to man through Islam."

What about Mormons, or Rastafarians, or any other religion AFTER Islam?

'The Book of Mormon is the earliest of the defining publications of the Latter Day Saint movement. The churches of the movement typically regard the Book of Mormon not only as scripture, but as a historical record of God's dealings with the ancient inhabitants of the Americas, written by American prophets from perhaps as early as 2500 B.C. to about 400 A.D.'

'Stated on the title page, the Book of Mormon's central purpose is for the "convincing of the Jew and Gentile that Jesus is the Christ, the Eternal God, manifesting himself unto all nations."'
Mormon is'nt really a new religion.
And as Islam does not believe that Jesus is God, they concider the book of Mormon to be a re-writing of the past.

And as for Rastafarians.......
Rasta Doctrine: Early in the history of the movement, leonard Howell gave the Rastafarians six principles.
1) Hatred for the white race.
2) The complete superiority of the black race.
3) Revenge on whites for their wickedness.
4) The negation, persecution and humiliation of the government and legal bodies of Jamaica.
5) Preperation to go back to Africa.
6) Acknowledging Emperor Haite Selassis as the supreme being and only ruler of black people.

Babylon is Jamaica or the establishment.
I and I refers to God in all or brotherhood of mankind.

Hence why Islam has no time for Rastas and does not concider Rastafarianisum as a true religion from God.

Scientology NAO?

The Cure


Muhammad, a wealthy merchant from Mecca, was bored and annoyed at the same time with pointless bickering between the Jews and the followers of the Jew reject that afternoon. Not that it was for the first time he was witnessing a heated debate, involving words which were dead for many years, on the streets of Jerusalem, but this time something what he felt to be located between his stomach and lungs was nagging him stronger than usual. He thought: "Maybe none of these fools have a clue and besides why we, the descendants of Shem, shouldn't have our own faith to adore? There's something rotten in the state of Rome, but I will find the cure."

Pondering deeply, Muhammad was distracted by noise of a breaking amphora, and when he noticed a splash of wine on his new shoes he just exchanged with Phoenician smuggler for one of his favorite slaves, he swiftly grabbed his whip unleashing its power on backs of Negros closest to him.. "Nubian Gesindel!" he uttered "How dare you disturb my circles?!?" The caravan was loaded quickly and without further incidents departed from the city of fools.

Meditating in saddle of his albino camel, with starry skies above, golden sand bellow and with a vision of hefty profit, the discomfort Muhammad felt earlier disappeared, and he could fully concentrate on his new and exciting idea, and even if only now he realized how difficult task he set for himself, he was confident to succeed. Little did he know that his destiny was about to give him a helping hand.

The caravan was only 3 days away from Mecca when a vicious sand storm darkened the skies. There was no place to hide and there was no where to run. Millions of tiny worthless nuggets blinded everyone in no time, and because the lazy and incompetent Nubian Gesindel forgot to tie the caravan with ropes, when Muhammad opened his eyes he saw no one, but albino and one camel loaded with goods. Shouting had no effect, his whip was useless and singing "Country roads, Take me home.." was not helping either so Muhammad, who was well educated in many sciences, decided to find his way to Mecca by himself. Perhaps he was missing in class when star navigation was taught or perhaps he did not remember it all that well, nevertheless, he soon was moving in circles without even noticing it.

After a week of circling in the desert Muhammad was desperate. He had not eaten for several days now, ran out of water few days ago already and talking to two stupid camels, who didn't even like each other as one was albino and the other was a male too, was not all that much fun either. Losing his hopes he decided to enjoy the last moments of his worldly existence and opened one amphora full of delicious vintage. Sitting down, drinking wine, Muhammad could care less about finding the cure and felt, even if not spiritually per se, certainly highly spirited. Convinced yet again to find his way home he got up, and with little difficulties managed to climbed his albino. "If there is a God, he will guide me out of this misery!" he cried to the skies and seconds later he was unconscious.

When he woke up, Muhammad noticed three things. The first was intense headache, the second was painful thirst and the third was incredible heat. He looked around in an attempt to remind himself of previous events, but he saw a sea of sand everywhere. No stupid camels, no Nubian Gesindel, no Jews and Jew rejects, only the amphoras were scattered everywhere around him. He looked at the horizon, but could not believe his eyes.. there she was, the fairy shape shifting half-sister of King Arthur, naked. Still feeling drowsy he closed his eyes again in disbelief it was only an optical illusion fooling his senses, but when he opened them again, he was in awe. It was not Fata Morgana it was Angel Gabriel himself, and before Muhammad could use his trained brain to reason any of it, Angel Gabriel sat down next to him and said:"You are the prised one Muhammad, you are the prophet and the messenger, and I'm here to give you the cure." Together they spent many days and nights drinking wine, meditating, cuddling to each other, until one day Angel Gabriel said:"You are ready now Muhammad, go to your people and spread the message because Allah has ordered us to glorify the truth." Then he showed Muhammad direction to Mecca and disappeared as mysteriously as he came.

Muhammad reached Mecca safely few days later and immediately called for everyone to gather in market square. "Listen to me my fellow brothers and sisters, heed my words! I'm Muhammad, the prised one, and I have found the cure. No drinking allowed!"


PS written for esper on one ugly morning the day after ..

God spoke to me today. He said "Vali my son, go forth and destroy the wicked, and spread my light in this world once more." I replied "how am I to know the wicked from the good". God smiled and said "you are the founder of a new religion, do as you please."
So with Gods command to spread the word and destroy the wicked I have given you poor souls the first chance to repent.
Rule number 1. KFC must be eaten 3 times a week. The more pious of you feel free to eat KFC everyday.
Rule number 2. Beer must be drunk whilst playing sim. Alcohol is needed to rid the sin of sims greed from your body.
Rule number 3. bah, I get bored easily. Feel free to make your own rules, I will initial them later.

"First there was Hinduisum, then Judaisum, then Buddhisum, then Christianity and finaly Islam.
To me this means that Gods last words where spoken to man through Islam. Meaning that Islam has more of a reason, compaired to all the other religions, to feel like they are the true word of God."

Tell that to most fundamentalist Christians and they'll say they could prefer to get back to the original word of God, taking the Bible literally (conveniently forgetting that Christianity grew out of Judaism so, fundamentally, we should all become Orthodox Jews, or as your list suggests Hindus).

Sadly, there seems little in the way of quality control when it comes to deciding which nut... I mean, philosophical pontificator, counts as a prophet from God. Most religions die out before reaching the critical mass of adherents that allows them to gain enough followers from brainwashing... err, I mean, educating their offspring in the ways of their particular delusion... err, Religion.

Who decides which prophet is the most up-to-date spokesperson for God? Generally, the most susceptible people who are persuaded that that bloke, Dave, who stands on the corner shouting "The end of the World is nigh - REPENT" is deeply profound and ALL right-thinking people should wear sandals with socks. Like I said, no quality control at all. This, by the way, is more or less how the Jehovah's witnesses got going in the late 18th Century. They predicted the end of the world in 1914, then 1925, then when that didn't happen, 1975. I think they have since learnt the prudence of being a bit vague on the coming Armageddon, unlike Jesus, who confidently predicted that His return would be at some point during the lifetime of His disciples.

As a profoundly non-religious individual, I shall provide you with an example of my own profundity whilst simultaneously addressing the argument that the non-religious have no basis for their morals (an accusation that never ceases to piss me off).

If a Jehovah's Witness, Pastafarian or any other brand of evangelical approached me trying to convince me that theirs was the correct Religion, I would have to make a moral choice whether to agree with them. I might be encouraged to join a faith that believed in polygamy, or slavery (which early Christianity had no problem with). Some faiths believe in allowing abortion, others condemn it absolutely. Most people would agree that these are moral issues. For me to choose a particular faith over another therefore REQUIRES me to make a moral choice. Therefore morality is a separate issue from religion. Moral atheists can and DO exist. Just like immoral theists can and DO exist (paedophile priests, etc.).

This is totally unrelated to the rest of the thread, but I so have to try this at some point: Best reponse to a Cold Caller.

Lets form our own religion. We can tell people that if they don't worship US, an invisible, all powerful, all knowing guy (who's up in the sky) will smite you with his wrath. Then we will sit them in church and spoon feed them a bunch of BS so they can't stop and think about what we're actually saying.
Don't worry if a few get smart..we'll just start a holy war with another religion..that should divert their attention.
Sounds like a plan.
We'll call our god- "Pukanabijinaplayawallawalladoofaloofas"
Go forward and write your own gospel and spread it as the word of God.

Lol's major Lol's. Expose religion for what it is boy's. Meanwhile, I'll sit back and act like I don't have a clue what you're talking about because you need the Christian vote to win an election in the US as a conservative. Fight the good fight though.

From My shrine in The Northwoods,

Yooper

Ah a few days late, ah well


Nix, your an idiot. Thx

If the earlier religions were correct, shouldn't we be pagans or shamans. And why did the Romans give up their polytheistic religion, to worship someone they supposedly executed. And if the newer religions are correct shouldn't we all go off to join the newest cult?

Or maybe religion is a way to gain power over a population with no rational thought. Even as a 7 year old semi-indoctrinated Baptist, they couldn't answer my questions. Like how did God make everything, or why does God kill people when we are not allowed to kill, or why does god think the earth is flat. All they ever did was the never question authority speech (this would have been popular with the dictators of the time).
Religion is cultural nationalism, it helps strengthen bonds between primitive people that may fight each other over completely pointless reasons (maybe a good tool to use if you control an empire with a diverse population), but it just shifts the goalposts to religion, so you see fellow countrymen killing each other over who their invisible friend loves them more. At the same time possibly allowing incompetent people to reap the benefits of this power sink. Kind of sad to see that in the "richest country in the world" that fought so hard against feudalism, can basically elect a king that claims divine right. (Face it George wouldn't have stood a chance in the election without the Christian vote).

NO GODS.

A religion is a set of stories, symbols, beliefs and practices, often with a supernatural quality, that give meaning to the practitioner's experiences of life through reference to an ultimate power or reality.[citation needed] It may be expressed through prayer, ritual, meditation, music and art, among other things. It may focus on specific supernatural, metaphysical, and moral claims about reality (the cosmos, and human nature) which may yield a set of religious laws, ethics, and a particular lifestyle. Religion also encompasses ancestral or cultural traditions, writings, history, and mythology, as well as personal faith and religious experience.

in·tel·lec·tu·al·ize , in·tel·lec·tu·al·iz·ing, in·tel·lec·tu·al·iz·es
1. To furnish a rational structure or meaning for.
2. To avoid psychological insight into (an emotional problem) by performing an intellectual analysis.

Im amazed people can actually feed themselves.

My views on religion‘s importance and importance in 21st century: first I’ll let you know I am an atheist. I was raised a Apostolic Lutheran but my life experiences ha led me to believe that it, and all other religions are devices used by leaders to control masses or make $. Either that or look at it as a service provided. They are proving you with moral guidelines to run your life, keeping you in good standing in the publics eye, and giving you a false belief that your life is part of something greater.

From my Shrine in the Northwoods,

Yooper

My car's been clamped and you General Booboo have just made my day.
Time for me to go and snap a bit of wood.

I also think religion should be looked on as a service.
If only we could get rid of the word God and replace it with the words: The Good person.
Then there would be no reason for people not to embrace the word of Good as a way of life.
Unless, of course, man needs the fear of God in him to be Good.

"They are proving you with moral guidelines to run your life"

Deuteronomy anyone? When morals are enforced on people they don't understand morality and why they should be good, its consequences that keep them in line. Which helps understand why a lot of religious people wonder how you can have any morality without god threatening you.

"keeping you in good standing in the publics eye"

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Roman%20Catholicism/nazi_buckle.jpeg

http://eatliver.com/i.php?n=1465


I'm just cherry picking I know. But weigh up all the good religion has caused against all the bad, and this "service" has a lot to answer for. Religion is no more a service then clairvoyants and "new age" medicine. Supporters will swear they work, but from an skeptical viewpoint they're no different then a sugar pill.

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Well General Booboo...........I did'nt expect that...............Not............. Pussy

My God would tell me to turn the other cheek. But as I don't believe in God...........FU Booboo. Put up or shut up.....Lets hear what your saying.........

If there is a higher power, I can safely bet you a nickle that it is so grand and profound that our simple minds cannot even imagine what's really going on.

Wildeyes.
I've been looking into Scientology over the past couple of days and I think, unfortunatly, Scientology is a re-creation of the Church of Christ. Hubbard is and does not proclaim to be a prophet from God. But what he does claim to be is the creator of true understanding of what it means to be alive.
Also that all man has good in them. But I'm sure that was also the message of Christ.

;p