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What country has the best army in the world? (Little Upsilon)

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Parsifal (Kebir Blue)
09 Aug 2009 04:08 Link
Zimbabwe--they're so in debt no one would dare attack them.
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Dubhthaigh
09 Aug 2009 15:11 Link
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This just isn't the truth though and it keeps them from the problems that King George had to deal with, rebellion in the colonies.<!-/Quote-!>



If you are citing rebellion in the colonies as the main downfall of British Empire, you would be terribly wrong.

Although rebellions had occured in the past, they were usually due to the meddling policies of government at time (notably in India with the rebellion of the militias upon hearing that British rifle rounds were smeared in pig fat, subversive to their religion). By the time of WW1 the British government was supporting a policy of increased cultural tolerance, and the majority of the colonies were in a stable state: Ghandi himself urged the whole of India to support Britain in the war. Hundreds of thousands of Indians, Australians, Canadians, New Zealanders and Africans fought on Britain's side.

In fact, the clear cut reason for the Empires' downscaling was the two world wars which tore it apart - in fact, you could say the British sacrificed their Empire in order to destroy other (more ruthless and destructive) European empires. After the world wars, the 'victors' were given huge amounts of land - a good thing for a massive empire you would think. However, the majority of the land Britain was given responsibility for was in fact massively unprofitable, which combined with the £12 billion it had spent on the first world war alone, economically crippled the Empire.

Often people cite the 'Evil British Empire's tyranny' as causes of any unrest in colonies. In fact the majority of atrocities commited by Britain in it's time of empire can be attributed to escalation in violence not supported by the British government anyway; very rarely (if ever) was genocide a state policy. The attacks on Native Indians in America, Aboriginis in Australia and natives in Africa we usually a result of the entrepeneurial colonists (not under state orders) forcing existing rivals away from potentially profitable bits of land. Throughout this time the central British state was actually passing laws to protect the rights of native people throughout the empire against this threat.
If you look at Belgian involvement in Africa or pretty much every interaction the Japanese had with China, you would see a massive increase in brutality. I am not saying Britain was blameless - it did plenty of disgusting things, but it was the lesser of many evils.


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King George outlawed the independent currency in the American colonies this made George Washington, the richest man in the colonies, upset as it put him immediately into debt to the Bank of England. According to Ben Franklin this is "probably the prime cause of the revolution"<!-/Quote-!>



This is also untrue. There were no major economic reasons for America to seperate from the British Empire - on average American citizens enjoyed a far greater GDP and much lower taxes than in the home nation. In fact at the beginning there was little demand for seperation at all, the foremost demand was the upholding of the magna carta (no taxation without representation). The British government foolishly denied this, even though they later adopted it with the other colonies to maintain peace and efficiency.

If you quote the Boston tea Party as an example of widespread disatisfaction you would also be wrong, if the evidence is actually looked at, you would find it was smugglers and black market tradesmen who threw the tea into the river - in disgust at Britains attempts at creating a 'duty free' tea policy which would drive them out of business.

The brutal truth be told however, Britain just did not value the American colonies enough to engage in a full scale cross-Atlantic struggle for it. In retrospect this may seem hard to believe, but at the time of the revolution Britain made 3 times as much money from the West Indies alone than from the American colonies. This was because existing cultures in the other colonies could be subdued/subverted and their existing infrastructure improved. In the USA the land was generally uncultivated and expensive to develop - for example around the Virginia area people had to be given vast tracts of land to tempt them over.

With regards to the British being in control of the American federal reserve and having the ability to financially cripple the state: In post WW2 years Britain somehow had to pay for the huge amounts of resoruces it had expended, so it turned to America. The conditions of it's loans literally forced Britain to give up massive (profitable) swathes of it's Empire. If Britain was in control of the American economy, would they have let this happen?

Overall, people misunderstand the fundamental nature of the British empire. The majority of expansion was not carried out by the state - it was carried out by 18th century capitalists going to new lands in search of massive wealth, which is in fact the largest migration of people in world history. The most the British government did to encourage this was grant these colonists state impunity and loans. Once the colonists had a hold, the government protected their assets and attempted to increase efficiency by introducing European law and infrastructure. In fact, the Victorians believed it was their duty as the most powerful nation on earth to attempt to (not forcefully) improve the conditions of life in undeveloped areas of the world that it controlled.

Another popular view is that Britain sucked the wealth from it's colonies for it's own betterment. In actuality, over it's entire existence the Emprie barely scraped a profit for Britain, due to the massive investments it made in the areas it controlled. Technically more % of western GDP was invested into Africa and the poor nations by Britain in it's time of Empire, than by the western world now. Taxes in India only amounted to 1% of it's economic output.

Statistically there is only one African nation that is comparitively richer to Britain than it was in the 18th-20th century, that is, every african nation's (apart from that one) GDP has decreased in ratio to Britain's since it gained independance.

~Rant over!!!~
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Solomon Grundy (Little Upsilon)
09 Aug 2009 15:24 Link
hmm That's something to chew on. we should also look at the fact that the population of the American colonies wasn't even that of the Chicago Metro complex of modern day, about 3,000,000 people spread all up and down the east coast.

One thing I am sure of though, I realize there is so much that I don't know, even a lot of things I've been taught I've come to the conclusion that I simply don't know the truth about them. I think we all get fragmented truth mixed with a good does of deception.

Also, I'm glad someone else found as much humor in those videos as I did, especially the last one, it speaks some real truth about America if you ask me! lol
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Solomon Grundy (Little Upsilon)
09 Aug 2009 16:10 Link
"That is simple. In the Colonies we issue our own money. It is called Colonial Scrip. We issue it in proper proportion to the demands of trade and industry to make the products pass easily from the producers to the consumers. In this manner, creating for ourselves our own paper money, we control its purchasing power, and we have no interest to pay..."

Benjamin Franklin
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"The refusal of King George III to allow the colonies to operate an honest money system, which freed the ordinary man from the clutches of the money manipulators was probably the prime cause of the revolution."

Benjamin Franklin
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"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both."

Benjamin Franklin
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"Anyone who trades liberty for security deserves neither liberty nor security."

Benjamin Franklin
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"When a government is dependent upon bankers for money, they and not the leaders of the government control the situation, since the hand that gives is above the hand that takes. Money has no motherland; financiers are without patriotism and without decency; their sole object is gain."

Napoleon Bonaparte
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"It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning."

Henry Ford
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"Most Americans have no real understanding of the operation of the international money lenders. The accounts of the Federal Reserve System have never been audited. It operates outside of the control of Congress and manipulates the credit of the United States."

Barry Goldwater
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"Deficit spending is simply a scheme for the confiscation of wealth. Gold stands in the way of this insidious process. It stands as a protector of property rights. If one grasps this, one has no difficulty in understanding the statists' antagonism toward the gold standard."

Alan Greenspan
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"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs."

Thomas Jefferson
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Laguna
13 Aug 2009 10:01 Link
Well... that was something.

Extra! Extra!
Armistice signed! War over! 50 years of nuclear paranoia begin today!

Ooops... Looks like I'm 64 years too late.


Extra! Extra!
Kennedy slain by CIA, Mafia, Castro, LBJ, Teamsters, Freemasons!
President shot 129 times from 43 different angles

Errr... Getting closer, but still not close enough.


Extra! Extra!
World unites to conquer the Antarctic! Penguin Army prevails.

That seems current enough.
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Laguna
14 Aug 2009 17:20 Link
/me goes to site
/me clicks play and...

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U.S. Only
We are sorry. Rhapsody is currently only available in the United States.
Why not try RealMusic ?<!-/Quote-!>


Real music?... I'll show you some REAL music!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiAxiGZKpGQ
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Solomon Grundy
14 Aug 2009 22:03 Link
Wow, that's messed up. Only US citizens are allowed to listen? Now that's messed up!
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Troy Nixon (White Giant)
03 Sep 2009 06:29 Link
Solomon, everything you said is absolutely true. Any well informed person that doesn't think so is in denial.
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Solomon Grundy (Little Upsilon)
03 Sep 2009 09:50 Link
Honestly? I'd rather be wrong.

Turns out the world is much more evil than any of us would have imagined.