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W3C - Space Centers in War

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thewhy
22 Nov 2013 03:51 Link
There are two types of nationalization in this game which is confusing the discussion... Erin is thinking of the feature that allows me to nationalize state corps (which makes no sense really because state corps are national corps) in this sort of nationalization you go to a state corp and click "nationalize this corporation" and bam it says status changed..... but when i go to a public corp that is being held in my country by a hostile CEO in place of the button that says "nationalize corporation" it says "If you are unsatisfied with its performance, you can nationalize it if you are Premium Member."......... this sort of nationalization rather then putting the corporation in the status of "nationalized" forcibly purchases the "major shareholders" shares..... there has never been the option for a country to purchase shares of corps either in the country or beyond its borders... this nationlization feauture allowed me to protect my corps from CEOs who buy up shares of my truly public corps but now i cant i assume because new players who acquired a c3 couldnt just takeover CEOs corps... unfortunately CEOs are now doing the same to me :(
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thewhy
22 Nov 2013 03:54 Link
amazing how confusing all this business becomes
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SuperSoldierRCP
23 Nov 2013 02:30 Link
Andy

Is there any chance of the GM looking into updating the space pages. AS it stands if i want to move assets around i have to click them 1 at a time and go though EACH item one by one.

In the next update can the GM do something to where i can click 5-6 items at once and have them all sent to where i want them rather then having to do them one at a time?
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thewhy
24 Nov 2013 00:07 Link
Andy do you have any comments on the nationalization problem... i dont think its right that a CEO can take over a countrys public corps without any action that can be taken by players
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Andy
24 Nov 2013 10:31 Link
Presidents can block CEOs from taking over corporations in their countries.
it is a setting.

It is absolutly wrong to do so but added after many requests by players some years ago.

The best you can have is private and public corporations in your country, they contribute most. The best countries have only such corporations.
you just need to make sure they can be successful by making sure education works and by increasing the welfare in the country.
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thewhy
24 Nov 2013 20:14 Link
Andy you are not understanding me..... as you know state corps can upgrade to 200 private corps to 225 and public corps up to 250.... therefore public corps are indeed the best.... but i like to control my own economy this means that i use Country controlled public corps.... i have run private economies before and they were inflexible and mediocre.,... in order to get the 250 upgrade level you must sell to under 25% ownership (you cannot buy shares with your IF either).... YES you can block CEOs but that setting does NOTHING.... it prevents CEOs from requesting constructions and relocations of private corps but i can just deny those requests when they come in i dont need to block them.... its not worth my time to go click the box because it doesnt do anything.... the thing im worried about is some asshole CEO buying a 30% ownership of my corps sending the upgrade down to 225 and giving them control of my economy...... now Andy let me ask you what happens when an enemy of mine makes a multi CEO gets a bunch of loans and buys up shares of my public corps and sets production to 10%.... my country is ruined thats what happens i cant buy the corps back through nationalization or just regular buying of shares and i cant force them to move or close the corps through "blocking CEOs"..... look at my country

https://sim03.simcountry.com/cgi-bin/cgiw?ownedcompanies&miCountryName=RESPUBLICAARDGLASS

11 of my fully upgraded corps have been taken over by CEOs one of them has been set to 10% hiring and production

what am i supposed to do andy? are free players forever confined to unprofitable state corps or whoring their economy out to CEOs who consistently close and move corps aswell as changing salaries

not to mention it takes a long time to get many corps from CEOs in the first place

and remember "blocking CEOs" does nothing you could probably just remove the feature and give players more time to accept and reject requests.... we need a nationalization feature (for public corps) or we need the ability to buy shares of corps located within the country
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Andy
25 Nov 2013 22:36 Link
XON: "the posts by gm and info in the docs simply says that public corps are better than private corps, so you must ipo your corps to share the wealth"

I explained many times that if you do not like CEOs you can block them.
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thewhy
25 Nov 2013 23:19 Link
you cant block ceos form taking over public companies andy.... there is no point to blocking requests because you can reject them when they come in.
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Andy
26 Nov 2013 00:07 Link
The setting helps a lot. not players who are checking every day but others, who do not want to be there all the time to prevent CEOs from taking their corporations.

<25% share holding is risky as intended.
many make this happen but corporations can be taken over.
countries can be taken over too.

Not risc is no game.

we love these truly public corporations and will keep it exactly as it is.
We will also prevent countries from trading in shares in corporations they do not control.

this is the priviledge of the enterprises and each player can have two.
many have more, in multiple worlds.

You may not like this features and others may not like other features.
There is no point in talking about it for ever as it will not change.
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thewhy
26 Nov 2013 00:48 Link
thats funny andy because a month ago you said you were introducing a feature to allow us to buy shares of corps located in our country.... why the change of heart?....
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Nico
26 Nov 2013 02:03 Link
Andy, that is a threat to you. Kick him off the game
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thewhy
26 Nov 2013 02:59 Link
Nico you're a pest nothing more nothing less
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Nico
26 Nov 2013 03:22 Link
And you are a noob. Nothing more nothing less
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Andy
26 Nov 2013 23:55 Link
No change of heart at all.
it is a misunderstanding on my part.

you can purchase shares in corporations you control.
you cannnot purchase shares in corporations you do not control.
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Andy
26 Nov 2013 23:57 Link
CEO can take corporations from one another. that is part of their game.

presidents can stay out of it and keep all their corporations in their own hands.
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thewhy
27 Nov 2013 02:25 Link
a misunderstanding on your part? can you elaborate?

that sounds nice and dandy but it neglects the fact that state corporations are unprofitable as they are profitable