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Further c3 reductions

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Stephen Ryan
17 Sep 2013 12:40 Link
Any one got a sore ass gm has gone in dry and further cut c3 award game money the most annoying thing here is why doesn't the time and effort to take a c3 be reduced in line lol
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Andy
17 Sep 2013 16:25 Link
It should be cut by 50% more.
Prices went down and general cost too.
you make trillions and complain about it.

we will gradually bring the awards in line with the cost and you will make a decent profit.

the price of products, weapons and ammunition will keep declining.
we do not think numbers in the game should be in trillions.
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Star Foth
17 Sep 2013 18:03 Link
Wait, can secured leaders be attacked with the 100+ xp rule?
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Star Foth
17 Sep 2013 18:15 Link
Also, it's not the trillions of profit, it's time invested.

It takes a lot of time for me to do a round of raiding, and the fact that we can't checkbox corporate targets and automate spec ops makes it even longer. Time-saving things like those should apply to c3 raiding.

I spend some 3 hours just to raid 4 targets, which is incredible as I have to micromanage the spec ops trying to get them to go around interceptor patrols that somehow block movement.
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Josias
18 Sep 2013 01:05 Link
SF, try using more SFs. you don't have to paint every possible area in the country, just enough to max out the points for painting, i used to be do just fine with 3-5 SFs, at WL 9. But if your having difficulty, try using more, and when you drop them, drop them where they have the most room to roam.

shrug
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thewhy
18 Sep 2013 03:39 Link
i agree andy why are my corps valued in the trillions consistently even with a mild profit and a high PE ratio
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Stephen Ryan
18 Sep 2013 12:19 Link
Its not working that way Andy playing the war game costs a massive amount to upgrade and it takes a long time taking three or four c3s a day I need extra money daily to play the war game at least an extra 24 trillion a day or I go backwards and my countries have good fiancé indexes.
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craigwilliamson79
19 Sep 2013 16:36 Link
Star Foth, you'd be fine even without war protection...no one is going to attack you even if they could.
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SuperSoldierRCP
19 Sep 2013 22:48 Link
C3 give CRAPPY money.

the Docs STATE that
Offensive anti air hs a 4% hit rate and uses 5missiles per attack
It takes 5 Offensive anti air to take out 1 heli. That's 25 missiles.

500 Anti air per ATTACK * 5missiles = 2500missiles
2500missiles * 11M per missile MARKET PRICE = 28B

It costs 28B per attack if i used 120Q
But in the highest war levels you need the higher Q. 330Q being that lets say by MIRACLE you use 3missiles per attack. Each missile costs 40M

1500missiles * 40M = 60B


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if i buy 330Q anti air missiles @ 330Q, AND i use only 3 missiles per battery per attack. It costs me 60BILLION just to attack ONCE!!!

60Billion per attack * 15 wings(pretending each wing was destroyed in 1 attack) = 900BILLION!!!
at war level 11 SPEND ABOUT A TRILLION and remember we undervaluing everything

Dont forgot fighters/bombers/other weapons and ammo

The fact is simple you can agure that the GM is reducing costs which we have all noticed. Ive agreed with you alot of late(i hope you've noticed) i agree with some of the resent changes C3 give nothing.

Please look into other insensitive for C3 warring beside cash.

Maybe look into other reasons for C3 warring.
Maybe each war level = 1M pop

At war level 11 you gain 9T plus the nation has 20M pop?

Something, Please i beg the GM to accully WAR and tally the costs becuase what you make now isnt ANYTHING worth it. You want people to move up the war levels, right no there VERY little ensentives
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Stephen Ryan
20 Sep 2013 10:16 Link
Well said SuperSoldierRCP
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Aries
20 Sep 2013 16:31 Link
I think my idea about a monthly benefit, such as lower military costs, to high war level is receiving serious consideration.
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Stephen Ryan
21 Sep 2013 04:07 Link
Hope not
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Teddy Bear
21 Sep 2013 10:21 Link
There is a certain logic to that Aries. A larger and more experienced Military machine could be more efficient, and benefit from economy of scale.

However, once the player had achieved the higher level, they would then have the benefit permanently. Better having something worth working for, that is fair for the time/reward?
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Lotato
21 Sep 2013 15:09 Link
supersoldier is right the cost of war and ammunition is very heavy that makes c3 money total crap

and now u want to reduce rewards by 50%? weapons and ammo are the ones that need HUGE price cuts and adjustments FIRST
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Lotato
21 Sep 2013 15:11 Link
and after that cut the awards significantly , thats the most logical thing to do
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Aries
21 Sep 2013 18:40 Link
Lotato, c3 money isn't good compared to what other way of making money in the game?
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SuperSoldierRCP
21 Sep 2013 21:22 Link
how about an econ?

Points aside up to about level 6 you can make some money but once you hit 10-11(even 9) THERE NO MONEY to be made
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Lotato
21 Sep 2013 21:34 Link
yes its the best way of making money, but if theres any c3 reward reduction to be made , then costs of ammo/weapons and all products price should be reduced first
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Aries
21 Sep 2013 21:45 Link
Super, I am waiting for your war logs at high war level. I hear from others that higher war levels are still quite profitable. Maybe we can help you.

How about econ? You are saying raiding money is no good now compared to econ? When I share will players what is (still) possible with only thirty minutes of raiding and ask how long it would take econ to earn a similar amount the answer I get is not in minutes. It isn't in hours. It isn't in a few days. It is measured in (real life) weeks.

Lotato, that is the point. Weapons and ammo have been reduced a number of times since the cash amounts for C3s were set. The GM must have heard you already and followed your suggestion.
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Stephen Ryan
22 Sep 2013 07:50 Link
Like I said without the current c3 rewards my army would go to shit and so what if the ammo is reduced what u want me to sit on my computer for hours and take 10 c3s for a couple of trillion lol
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Alterd Carbon
22 Sep 2013 11:50 Link
Stephen is so fn right
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Lotato
22 Sep 2013 12:41 Link
but that couple of trillions we would get would be of the same value of many trillions that we get now.

so its basically the same , but to make things not in too much trillions then prices need to fall significantly , then after that immediatly drop rewards

in general though , country profit making need to be increased significantly, theres basically no way to purchase/maintain large army without c3 warring all the time, so corp should be more profitable, look at real world situation, even some of the third world countries have medium/large armies
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Stephen Ryan
22 Sep 2013 15:02 Link
No it would not be the same it hasn't worked out that way ever lol it costs me way above what my countries make to have war slaves, why fiddle with it anymore u don't need to fix something that aint broken
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Nico
22 Sep 2013 18:14 Link
Indeed Stephen. I agree. Quit lowering out C3 raiding profit. It's annoying. Starting to become unprofitable too. If you are going to lower the cash we get, lower the weapons we need/go through. And make the weapons cheaper.
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The_Wicked_Lady
23 Sep 2013 02:20 Link
Pfft I'm mad at Stevie. Makes me wanna whine. And who is Mr. Potato, I mean Lotato??? :P