| Tony w | Wednesday, March 11, 2015 - 09:14 pm 
So I have just attempted to declare war on a level 3 player, I am war level 4.
I get this nonsense pop up
"You have won over 60 wars, please declare war on a higher level"
Now it says in the documents that a war lvl 3 can be attacked by a level 3 - 7... what the hell is going on there.
GM could you assist? |
| Casual Industries | Thursday, March 12, 2015 - 02:36 am
Had that message too. Makes zero sense. |
| Jonni | Thursday, March 12, 2015 - 04:40 pm
Having an engineer look into this. Documentation is correct, you should be able to do so. |
| Tony w | Thursday, March 12, 2015 - 06:36 pm
Thanks Jonni, very much appreciated :D |
| Casual Industries | Tuesday, March 17, 2015 - 05:21 am
Any update? |
| Jonni | Tuesday, March 17, 2015 - 03:49 pm
Oke. The reason you can't attack a lvl3 is that even though you are lvl4, you are very experienced at waging war. At the moment you are only told this when you go to declare war, which is an oversight on our part. You shouldn't need to get to the point of clicking the button to declare war, just to see that you can't.
We will add a section on the war page which shows exactly which levels you personally can declare war on and why.
I hope that answers your question. I'm afraid you won't be raining on this particular inexperienced players parade.. |
| Tony w | Tuesday, March 17, 2015 - 06:35 pm
Jonni, thank you for the assistance here. I understand what you mean, but now you leave me with another question. Will war level 3 players still be able to attack me?
I have to admit, this is unfortunately disappointing, but I understand. Thank you for the reply! |
| Casual Industries | Tuesday, March 17, 2015 - 08:18 pm
Totally understand the logic. Just wish I would have known beforehand.
Also - very interested in the response to Tony's question. If war level 3s can attack my account, I think it needs to be vice versa where my account can attack them. |
| Casual Industries | Wednesday, March 18, 2015 - 05:57 am
This is even applicable on Fearless Blue. I just looked into attacking an inactive player who is war level three and got this:
You have won more than 60 wars.
You cannot attack countries at War Level 3.
Please attack at a higher War Level.
GMs - this shouldn't apply to Fearless Blue. This shouldn't apply at all since this player could turn and attack me should they choose. |
| Jonni | Wednesday, March 18, 2015 - 03:25 pm
Yes, it will happen that player X can declare war on Y while Y can't declare war on X.
It is set up in this way to avoid less experienced war players being forced into war against a veteran.
If the less experienced player wants to dig his own grave and declare on said veteran that is fine with us.
Fearless Blue is a different question. We've never seen a lot of complaints about how this works on FB but if you guys feel the rules need to be less strict on the war world, that is something we can discuss.
Either way, we feel like less experienced players should enjoy some form of protection against attacks by veterans that can win wars one handed, in their sleep, while eating a bagel. |
| Jackseptic | Wednesday, March 18, 2015 - 08:17 pm
i vote for less strict on the war world i mean its the "war world" cmon noobs dont go to the "war world" unless you are ready to be on the "war world" you can already stay under war lvl 3 and remain protected you have a chance to build an empire join a fed and then go to war lvl 3 or basically your ready to enter the arena of war. after war level 3 i dont see any reason for war levels on FB unless you are going to be tighting the restrictions. of war there. ps your funny jonni i like your style  |
| Casual Industries | Wednesday, March 18, 2015 - 08:22 pm
Less experienced players that CHOSE to leave war level protection deserve protection? I agree veterans would likely win a war against a newer player, but I think a better solution would be to move veterans to a higher war level than allow loopholes to exist. Just because a veteran could win doesn't mean that they now should be allowed to just be attacked. Having one player able to attack the other without fear of being counter attacked from other countries of that player is unacceptable in my opinion. On fearless blue, it is advertised that I can attack any player from war level 3 to war level 13. That appears quite inaccurate.
P.S. - sincerely appreciate the dialogue here. Thank you. |
| Borg Queen | Wednesday, March 18, 2015 - 11:18 pm
At least if a low WL-Player choose to attack a high WL-Player the attacked player should get the possibility to make retalation-wars. Meaning he can attack the low WL one if he wants but noone else can, this could be a alternative to one-way wars. The Veteran can take revenge but the Noob will still be protected against raiding from other Veterans. |
| Aries | Thursday, March 19, 2015 - 03:31 pm
I am war level 3 on White Giant. Think I will look for that veteran eating a bagel.. |
| Casual Industries | Friday, March 20, 2015 - 05:46 am
Such a noob, Aries...
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| Jonni | Sunday, March 22, 2015 - 11:20 am
I'll propose a change to the war restrictions on FB in the next staff meeting. I don't have logs of the history of warfare on FB on hand right now so I can't promise any results.
I like the idea of being able to retaliate after a less experienced player declares war on you. In theory an experienced war player should always be ready for a war dec. but in cases where you were unprepared and attacked by a player that you wouldn't be able to declare on, a retaliation should be possible. |
| Casual Industries | Monday, March 30, 2015 - 07:43 am
I don't really agree that being a higher war level makes you a more experienced player.
If I go to White Giant, I would be war level 1 - but no less experienced. If a player comes up to war level 3 on the war world, it seems pretty clear to me that they should know what they are getting themselves into. |
| Jonni | Tuesday, March 31, 2015 - 11:38 am
@Casual Industries. War levels are account wide. If you were to move to another world you'd keep whichever war level you've acquired on other worlds. |
| Borg Queen | Tuesday, March 31, 2015 - 12:45 pm
Since when are War Levels account wide? |
| Casual Industries | Wednesday, April 1, 2015 - 03:11 am
They aren't actually. That's not true currently, Jonni,
Many players prefer to have an eco world and war worlds. |
| Jonni | Wednesday, April 1, 2015 - 01:28 pm
I was under the impression this was already changed. According to one of our engineers it was put on hold due to the amount of work it would require to change.
As of now war levels are empire wide. This change remains on our to-do list. It makes much more sense to have war levels be account wide.
My bad! |
| Borg Queen | Wednesday, April 1, 2015 - 07:15 pm
Well Jonni, I'd say this is a clear 'no' from my side to account-wide WLs. When one player is having a WL 10 in one world and starts off in another he still starts with no real armies and so is de facto defenseless unless he imports Space-wise Armies to increae his armies faster. |
| Jock | Wednesday, April 1, 2015 - 10:45 pm
Account wide war levels pffff. Are you guys trying to ruin this game intentionally? |
| Jock | Wednesday, April 1, 2015 - 10:54 pm
What purpose does account wide wl's achieve? Surley there's dozens of other ideas you guys could be working on. |
| Casual Industries | Thursday, April 2, 2015 - 02:55 am
I'm not a big fan of it either. Like I said, it will decrease the amount of worlds players play on if they are immediately out of war level protection.
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| Aries | Thursday, April 2, 2015 - 06:18 pm
I do not have a problem with account-wide war levels with relation to war level protection but I would like to have the opportunity to earn gold coin awards for war level on each world.
Perhaps it should be similar to how game level awards relate to corp construction. There is a max war level achieved that determines war level protection but each world has a separate "current" war level that allows the normal progression through C3 war level opponents. This maintains an incentive to play on other worlds as a war player and balances it with the way game level awards are earned on each world. |
| Jock | Friday, April 3, 2015 - 08:06 pm
It makes no sense whatsoever to have account wide war levels. Can you please explain Jonni?
War levels have no bearing on a palyers skill to fight wars, pvp wars. At the end of the day that's why they're supposed to be in place? Anyone can easily go up the wl's in a matter of weeks using the guide I've written.
You and other GM's have said many times you's want more wars? Well it doesn't take a genuis to work out exactly what wl's have done for the war game. Having account wide levels is just more restrictions and will have the opposite effect to what you guys say you's want, more wars.
If you's do want more wars then you's should be working on a better soulution rather than wasting effort and money into putting more restrictions on the players.
It's been your MO for a few years now and look at where we're at. HELLO. It aint working, not from what I can see.
The games a shell of what it once was. Forum activity alone is a very good indication. There's nothing happening.
There hasn't been any inovation from you guys in years. All I've seen is restrictions, nothing to excite the players. Quite the opposite. Most have become bored and moved on. |
| BlackEyes | Friday, April 3, 2015 - 08:39 pm
JOCK 100% |
| Casual Industries | Saturday, April 4, 2015 - 01:43 am
I agree with a lot of what Jock said too. War level has almost 0% to do with how good someone is at pvp wars.
Also - if you plan on making war levels account wide, you owe it to players to hold off and set a date. Some players have heavily armed empires on one world and defenseless empires on other worlds since they are in war level protection there.
That is speaking as someone who has frequently been aggressive toward poorly-defended players in years past. |
| Jack | Saturday, April 4, 2015 - 03:40 am
Account wide war levels are a bad idea. All the reasons are clearly stated above. Please don't implement this. It is a needless restriction on how players play this game. |
| Jonni | Sunday, April 5, 2015 - 08:02 pm
We appreciate all the input on this topic (that I accidentally caused). It looks like the opinion is overwhelmingly against account wide war levels. |
| Casual Industries | Friday, April 10, 2015 - 04:45 am
Any updates on war level 3's on Fearless Blue? It's kind of funny to have restrictions like this on the war world that players choose to inhabit.
A friend of mine in my common market is under attack from a war level 3, and I can't help from war level 5. |
