| NiAi (Little Upsilon) | Wednesday, March 16, 2011 - 09:26 am 
Corporations bought, closed or moved and Enterprise Tax -801.73B SC$
No corps moved, closed or bought. Have similiar numbers for some months now...
(it used to be 80-160b)
What is going on??? |
| NiAi (Little Upsilon) | Wednesday, March 16, 2011 - 12:32 pm
-1,124.26B SC$
in 1 month... WTF! |
| NiAi | Wednesday, March 16, 2011 - 12:35 pm
... whole gaming experience being destroyed by this. CEO will bankrupt in months if tax bug increases like this |
| Psycho_Honey (Little Upsilon) | Wednesday, March 16, 2011 - 05:10 pm
My ceos keep disappearing money, I've been complaining about this for a very long time. Months now. |
| NiAi (Little Upsilon) | Wednesday, March 16, 2011 - 05:49 pm
Well, the cash isn't "disappearing ", it being drawn out with the mysterious enterprise tax. Over 5t gone so far.
Did your cash diappear in another manner?
This tax bug is gamebreaking |
| Psycho_Honey (Little Upsilon) | Wednesday, March 16, 2011 - 06:18 pm
I just noticed the cash missing a few times, and lots of it. I get headaches trying to figure out things on this game so i rarely look into it. Usually I find out second hand on the forums lol. I'm trying to enjoy the game not break my head number crunching ya know. Nice catch though, I'm indebted to you  |
| NiAi (Little Upsilon) | Wednesday, March 16, 2011 - 10:42 pm
-1,007.80B SC$ ...
loosing 1t EVERY month due to enterprise tax bug. 25% off gross revenue, 2x-3x monthly gross profit in tax EVERY month...
GM, please deal with this bug |
| Kitsuné (Little Upsilon) | Thursday, March 17, 2011 - 12:28 am
Something is wrong.
For this month,
Corporations bought, closed or moved and Enterprise Tax
Snow Fox (KB): -974.35B SC$
Arctic Wolf (KB): -75.11B SC$
The Unicorn Group (GR): -473.24B SC$
Demonology (WG): -65.75B SC$
Apathy Incorporated (FB): -257.71B SC$
Space Fox (LU): -561.98B SC$
Yoohoo and Friends (LU): -189.28B SC$
These are all really high. I think a little of Snow Fox's comes from closing a corp or 2, but the others didn't do anything as far as I remember. Demonology and Arctic Wolf's seem reasonable from looking at them but they're not either because those two enterprises only have 70-80 corps each. |
| Keto (Kebir Blue) | Thursday, March 17, 2011 - 02:44 am
3 out of 5 of my CEOS had no payments while the other 2 did, this month
-448SC$ and
-182SC$ |
| swann_88 (Golden Rainbow) | Thursday, March 17, 2011 - 03:47 am
I moved a corporation in dec 2868
and every month since then -161.27B SC$
before that it was about -20 per month
interesting that this number has no graph |
| Josias (Little Upsilon) | Thursday, March 17, 2011 - 05:22 am
i'm having the same problem. my guess, it is really just a bug, because like this, their isn't much point to having a CEO, even for game level purposes. |
| Scarlet (Little Upsilon) | Thursday, March 17, 2011 - 08:20 am
Yeah, these numbers are WAY too high to just be enterprise tax anymore. Over 5 times what they used to be on my end. |
| Linebacker Six (Little Upsilon) | Thursday, March 17, 2011 - 08:24 am
Moved this into General.
If this isn't addresses immediately, we will be looking at losses of dozens of gc per week. |
| Jonni Gil | Thursday, March 17, 2011 - 11:48 am
We caught this a little late.
We are looking into the matter right now. We'll try to make sure everyone gets anything back they lost from this bug.
Sorry for the inconvenience,
more info on this soon. |
| NiAi | Thursday, March 17, 2011 - 01:17 pm
Jonni, thx for responding and acting upon this. I hope things well get back to normal soon. |
| Psycho_Honey (Little Upsilon) | Thursday, March 17, 2011 - 04:36 pm
I have lost many many trillions for at least 2 real months. On LU that is a lot of money. I'm sure I can pinpoint my complaints about my ceo losing large sums of money even further back. 2 months is a generous estimate. You're really going to pay me back all that cash? I'll give you a high 5 |
| NiAi | Thursday, March 17, 2011 - 05:02 pm
For me, this bug was taking effect late Monday or Tuesday this week.
Hopefully they might also find Wendys old bug messing with her. If that bug is related to this bug, only GM might know.
Anyways,do fix this bug and restore us soon please GM. |
| swann_88 (Golden Rainbow) | Thursday, March 17, 2011 - 05:42 pm
if nothing else at least I am back down to only 38B this month
it would speed up people noticing and reporting these kind of problems if all lines on the financial stements had graphs |
| Tom Willard | Thursday, March 17, 2011 - 06:48 pm
We have checked this again right now and found that the last update yesterday, introduced a different way for the enterprise taxes and caused an increase.
it is not in the trillions and not even close. it is several billions and we have seen it going up by 50 B in the largest enterprise in the game. no cost at all in enterprises that are not VERY profitable.
we have changed the formula and the numbers are down.
As to recent months, enterprises became much more profitable than before.
enterprises profits per game month are now much higher than in the past months and as game money is close to double its value compared with 6 months ago, the increase is even more significant.
We would like to see any example of an enterprise which is making a significant loss, month to month, because of the enterprise tax.
I cant imagine because only very profitable enterprises start paying the tax.
reasably profitable ones don't pay.
Please mail us the name of the world and enterprise and we will look into it.
we see corporations making losses and some make very large profits.
we are checking why corporations are making losses and we find that in many cases, they pay very high salaries (up to 12 times the base salaries) and we see low production in some cases that can also contribute to losses.
upgraded enterprise corporations that produce at high levels, pay salaries that are reasonably high and do not request extreme price for their products are doing great.
Psycho Honey
I looked into your enterprises just now.
one is doing great with high profits and its assets are booming.
The other is making losses but the value of the assets is increasing which means that the losses are not running very long. The reasons for the losses are as mentioned in my comment.
start with the salaries at >12 times nominal and reduce to 4x.
this will fix a lot.
you can easily fix this enterprise.
there is no tax at all when the enterprise is making a loss so this is not the reason for the loss.
with so many corporations, it should do better. |
| Psycho_Honey (Little Upsilon) | Thursday, March 17, 2011 - 07:04 pm
Yeah Tom I just changed some things, Thanks for looking. I had an issue with my settings resetting in my country and ceos that left massive amounts of debt that I had to pay off manually. Of course since this only happened to me, no one cared to look into it although I did make a post about it in problems AND in the general forum.
I burned a few hundred trillions in paying off that debt.
No need to pay it back though. I just wanted to know why the settings were changed by themselves, which is the reason my countries and ceos tanked. Also had an issue with my govt salaries jumping as high as 850 in one game month. Took forever to get them back down. But no big deal, I don't care anymore than anyone else does. I'm just playing the game. Its all fake money anyway. |
| Linebacker Six (Little Upsilon) | Thursday, March 17, 2011 - 07:06 pm
LOL. See my post in the General Section entitled Enjoy.
It seems to have been addressed, Tom; however, the bug was quite real.
When one is paying 268 billion Enterprise Tax on gross profits of 155 billion, something is seriously amiss.
And, yes, I am quite sure that I neither built, moved, or closed any corps in that time.
Again, the problem seems to been resolved. Tax is back down to previously established levels. |
| Linebacker Six | Thursday, March 17, 2011 - 07:18 pm
Oh, and Tom, I may be an old man, but my calculator still works quite well.
Multiply 100 billion by 42 and one has a product of trillions. |
| NiAi (Little Upsilon) | Thursday, March 17, 2011 - 07:40 pm
A reguluar month in NiAi StarRepublic Corp: ~200b Enterprise tax as most
One of the month yesterday: -1,124.26B SC$
Couple of billions.... Counting as americans now are we...
Im glad you have fixed the bug, however, this Enterprise did lose like 800B extra a month for over a game year... more than 50b now is it.
If you dont want to take responisbilty for the bug say it, but please do NOT BS us.
On a sidenote, my Enterprises corporations are doing fine, its that enterprise tax bug that ive had trouble with. |
| NiAi (Little Upsilon) | Thursday, March 17, 2011 - 07:46 pm
-197.23B SC$ Enterprise tax this month.
It would seem tax has returned to normal (but higher as GM intended) levels. Hope it doesn't skyrocket again. Getting tax 300-400% of gross profit is than any communist state ever managed ;)
Will report again how the tax is evolving.
However, all those trillions robbed away by the bug, GM, will those be restored? |
| Josias (Little Upsilon) | Thursday, March 17, 2011 - 08:10 pm
"upgraded enterprise corporations that produce at high levels, pay salaries that are reasonably high and do not request extreme price for their products are doing great. " -Tom
what tom said, for the most part is right. i mean his estimate of the extra tax being in the billions, the 50ish b range, was off. but the rest of it he is right
you really can't expect to run super high sals, super high quality supplies, and aggressive trade strats, and expect to make much of a profit. it doesn't work that way in the real world. it would be broken if it worked here
i doubt he has time to go through every ceo. but yes, running 400 sals will be much more profitable than 700-1200.
the old trade strats that have been kicked around for years... maybe players should revisit whats working, and what isn't.
if you run the high sals, and high q supplies, then you are purposefully passing the CEO profits to the host country. you shouldn't be able to have your cake and eat it to.
honestly, ceo's right now have great profit potential. better than its been in a REALLY long time. |
| Kitsuné (White Giant) | Thursday, March 17, 2011 - 09:26 pm
The bug's fixed, but the impact was significantly higher than $50B.
Space Fox on LU was up at -561.98B SC$ when I measured it yesterday. It's now down to -148.35B SC$, which is around what it used to be before the spike. Since there's no graph for enterprise tax, and since enterprise tax is lumped together with moves and closings it's hard for us to keep track of what's going on........ |
| NiAi | Thursday, March 17, 2011 - 09:36 pm
Discussion about corp profitbility should be taken to another thread. My bug report as nothing to do with corp strats, but with enterprise tax. |
| Tom Willard (Little Upsilon) | Thursday, March 17, 2011 - 11:53 pm
I am happy the problem is solved but I remain confused about the numbers mentioned.
the tax as it is calculated came to a level of 33% of profits but is now down to the previous levels.
however, there is a threashhold of 20B that is subtracted from the amount.
so I am surprises that the amount could be higher than the profit.
maybe it is one of the other components:
corporations bought? |
| Linebacker Six | Friday, March 18, 2011 - 06:50 am
And thus the bug, Tom.
In my case in just one month:
115 billion gross profit
268 billion paid in Enterprise Tax.
No corporations built, moved, or closed (100% centainty) that would accout for the higher cost. |
| NiAi (Little Upsilon) | Friday, March 18, 2011 - 08:04 am
Indeed Linebacker, this was the case for me aswell.
Had 450-500b profit(total profts from corps), got taxed above 1T (enterprise tax)(see earlier posts). Obviously this cannot been intended, thus i posted this thread.
Did not buy any corps or anything (is at 750corp limit).
Enterprise tax last month:
Corporations bought, closed or moved and Enterprise Tax -216.67B SC$
Total Profit 428.58B SC$
Tax is now above 50% of profit. If this intended, fine, its survivable but expensive.
However, all we big CEO was taxed above "intended" levels, it was a bug. Please accept this so it aint repeated.
Also, since we was robbed cause of a bug, please restore us. Cant be that hard for GM to see what's been taxed away, and give the difference of bug tax and "real tax" back. In my case my CEO had more than 6 T cash when this began, now -1T. Only action during this bug was 'digital tears'.
Tom, please make sure this aint repeated, and you find out why this occured. I understand you are confused, but facts were that enterprise tax was out of control and was several 100% above profits, thus we was robbed. |
| NiAi (Little Upsilon) | Friday, March 18, 2011 - 01:16 pm
Corporations bought, closed or moved and Enterprise Tax -258.07B SC$
Total Profit 528.46B SC$
Tax in % = ~49 %
"the tax as it is calculated came to a level of 33% of profits but is now down to the previous levels. "
Wouldent seem to be the case, it more than 33% still. And no, havent given any orders what so ever in that corp all this week.
(im using NiAi Starrepublic Corp for all reporting)
Atleast its not above profits atm (as it was with the bug).
W3C, are you ppl keeping an eye on this? |
| CorporatePartner (Golden Rainbow) | Friday, March 18, 2011 - 01:22 pm
Why would "Enterprise Tax" ever be grouped into the same "line item" as "Corporations bought, closed or moved"?
Those two have almost nothing in common (aside from being costs, basically) and serves to "hide" the real value of the tax in the financial statement. |
| NiAi (Little Upsilon) | Friday, March 18, 2011 - 09:51 pm
Corporations bought, closed or moved and Enterprise Tax -402.59B SC$
Total Profit 973.24B SC$
Taxrate in %: ~41.3%
CC, i do agree. Enterprise tax ought to be a seperate post. When this tax was first introduced it might been wise
(for w3C) to hide it. But now its just plain silly.
Would anyone else with big CEO please post there enterprise tax and ratio, so when can see if this is the norm. All that info is public so dont feel scared ;) |
| Linebacker Six | Saturday, March 19, 2011 - 12:02 am
You answered your own question CP. |
| Vidrig (Golden Rainbow) | Saturday, March 19, 2011 - 01:06 am
I don't have any huge enterprise paying more than 40% tax (both of them pay about 25% tax now), but at least I can confirm that something was wrong with "Corporations bought, closed or moved and Enterprise Tax" a couple of days ago. For my eneterprises the tax was close to 150% and the effects from it can still be seen, very clearly, on the cash graphs. This occured from December 2868 to May 2869, GRT (Golden Rainbow Time). And no, I did not build or move any corporations during those 6 months. |
| swann_88 (Golden Rainbow) | Saturday, March 19, 2011 - 05:51 am
for my enterprise my actual cash dropped from ~825B to ~300B over 5 months
in the month I posted about above my income was 91B and my enterprise tax was ~160B |
| NiAi (Little Upsilon) | Saturday, March 19, 2011 - 07:54 am
Corporations bought, closed or moved and Enterprise Tax -249.19B SC$
Total Profit 563.31B SC$
Enterprise tax in %:~44.2%
Over 44%, ELEVEN% more than 33% (33% more han 33% ;)) It would seem to be trend that big CEO will be heavily taxed.
W3C, is this working as intended? |
| NiAi (Little Upsilon) | Saturday, March 19, 2011 - 12:25 pm
Corporations bought, closed or moved and Enterprise Tax -295.64B SC$
Total Profit 618.78B SC$
Enterprise tax in %:~47,7%
Seems to be a steady trend of being near 45% every month. |
| Tom Willard (Golden Rainbow) | Saturday, March 19, 2011 - 12:47 pm
Can someone give a figure based on today's numbers.
These numbers are always averaged, and it takes time to stabilize.
(total could be 2 times current total + new number for this month) divided by three.
it is used in many functions to dampen large changes.
So by now, it should be lower than 30% in all cases.
Please give me an example where it is 30%+ and no corporations bought or sold and we will immediately look into it and fix it.
for small enterprises, it should be zero.
we need world and enterprise name to find it. |
| NiAi (Little Upsilon) | Saturday, March 19, 2011 - 07:07 pm
NiAi StarRepublic Corp on LU, taken from Finance Little Upsilon: Jul 5 2758
Corporations bought, closed or moved and Enterprise Tax -129.03B SC$
Total Profit 213.99B SC$
Enterprise tax in %:~60%
Tom, you need any more numbers im not posting? Would you plese take a look in this CEO? it would seem it always sticks to the high end, maybe because of one of those dampening functions.
All of today, as you can see my earlier posts today, have been over 40% (44%, 47,7% and 60%). This 60% last month seems to be suffering from averanging, but always to a higher number than 30%
This CEO havent been doing any order for a week now, so only factor is enterprise tax.
So please Tom, take a look on NiAi StarRepublic Corp on LU. |
| NiAi (Little Upsilon) | Saturday, March 19, 2011 - 08:30 pm
Little Upsilon: Jul 18 2758
NiAi StarRepublic Corp on LU
Corporations bought, closed or moved and Enterprise Tax -266.06B SC$
Total Profit 598.93B SC$
Enterprise tax in %:~44,4% |
| NiAi (Little Upsilon) | Saturday, March 19, 2011 - 08:33 pm
My CEO seems to be suffering from this high enterprise tax, but others not so much. Looking over some other CEOs, they pay 100b less for about same numbers.
Does anyone else getting this near 50% enterprise tax? |
| NiAi (Little Upsilon) | Saturday, March 19, 2011 - 11:17 pm
NiAi StarRepublic Corp on LU
Little Upsilon: Aug 16 2758
Corporations bought, closed or moved and Enterprise Tax -351.75B SC$
Total Profit 821.77B SC$
Enterprise tax in %:~42,8% |
| NiAi (Little Upsilon) | Sunday, March 20, 2011 - 07:56 am
Little Upsilon: Oct 21 2758
NiAi StarRepublic Corp on LU
Corporations bought, closed or moved and Enterprise Tax -206.21B SC$
Total Profit 437.97B SC$
Enterprise tax in %:~47%
One can only dream about GMs intended 30% :/ |
| NiAi (Little Upsilon) | Sunday, March 20, 2011 - 12:51 pm
Little Upsilon: Nov 12 2758
NiAi StarRepublic Corp on LU
Corporations bought, closed or moved and Enterprise Tax -293.88B SC$
Total Profit 658.50B SC$
Enterprise tax in %:~44,6%
As we can see, tax has been the change earlier this week, been around 45% (except while the bug was in effect where the tax was around 300-400%) |
| NiAi (Little Upsilon) | Sunday, March 20, 2011 - 06:32 pm
Little Upsilon: Jan 2 2759
NiAi StarRepublic Corp on LU
Corporations bought, closed or moved and Enterprise Tax -247.30B SC$
Total Profit 494.75B SC
Enterprise tax in %:~50%
It would seem that somehow, its impossible to get taxed Tom's alleged 30%. |
| Psycho_Honey (Little Upsilon) | Sunday, March 20, 2011 - 06:33 pm
I want my muuney! |
| NiAi (Little Upsilon) | Sunday, March 20, 2011 - 08:58 pm
Little Upsilon: Jan 22 2759
NiAi StarRepublic Corp on LU
Corporations bought, closed or moved and Enterprise Tax -153.22B SC
Total Profit 298.59B SC$
Enterprise tax in %:~51,3%
It would nice to not be bugged, or victim for a unknown factor for this tax. |
| Kitsuné (Kebir Blue) | Sunday, March 20, 2011 - 09:52 pm
I just checked and for me, enterprise tax seems to vary between 27 and 36% depending on which enterprise I look at. |
| CorporatePartner (Golden Rainbow) | Sunday, March 20, 2011 - 10:49 pm
Check all of your country's "Corporation Tax" income over the past several world months. It appears to have mysteriously dropped or gone to 0.
That is the total tax collected by countries from all corporations each world month, adjustable between 0 - 75%. At 1% tax, it has been giving either 0 or close to 0, when it should be around 2B per world month. |
| NiAi (Little Upsilon) | Sunday, March 20, 2011 - 11:09 pm
Oki Kitsune. Nice to see that not all are suffering from this.
Corporate, how does that relate to enterprise tax?
Will now try something over night, will report again tomorrow, with hopefully good results. My overtax ought to have a reasons in the hidden formulas. |
| CorporatePartner (Fearless Blue) | Monday, March 21, 2011 - 12:20 am
Because...there are tax errors occurring all over..not just one isolated area.
Not to mention, if your enterprise is paying substantially less "Corporate Tax" than it should, then your profits are actually a lot less...so your "Enterprise Tax" actually would be much higher, especially on a % basis, if that other tax error is happening on a large scale. |
| NiAi (Little Upsilon) | Monday, March 21, 2011 - 09:10 am
Looking thru my nations, corp taxes seems to have stabilized on a slighly lower level (no tax change). Dunno why, but that dicussion will have to be taken in that relevant thread. This ought only to increase real numbers of enterprise income, but not procent rates.
My testing of reducing overtax takes one more month, after that ill post. |
| NiAi (Little Upsilon) | Monday, March 21, 2011 - 04:31 pm
Oki, i now know why some of us are getting overtaxed (the 40-55% enterprise tax).
Hint, avoid automatic profit transfers, its seems bugged. You first get taxed once the profit is created, and a SECOND time when the profit is acutally being transfered to the enterprise.
GM, is this intended? |
| NiAi (Little Upsilon) | Tuesday, March 22, 2011 - 08:03 pm
Tom, any response? |
| Maestro2000 (Little Upsilon) | Tuesday, March 22, 2011 - 09:49 pm
Perhaps the gamemaster could put a seperate line for regular Enterprise Tax by itself.
I see the number every month and have no clue how much relates to selling activity, corporations closure and regular enterprise tax on existing corporate activity. |
| Maestro2000 (Kebir Blue) | Tuesday, March 22, 2011 - 10:12 pm
Enterprise: "Virgin" on KB world
This enterprise paid 97.37 billion last month
The monthly profit was 428.67B
So that makes the tax rate 22.71% of my income
There was no recent movement activity in this enterprise so the amount should be purely enterprise tax.
Is this the correct enterprise tax rate?
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Enterprise Cash Flow Last Month Cash 9,704.03B SC$
Interest Received 0.00B SC$
Interest Paid 0.00B SC$
Loan Paybacks Received 0.00B SC$
New Loans Taken 0.00B SC$
Loans Paid Back 0.00B SC$
New Loans Given 0.00B SC$
Cost of Setting Up New Corporations 0.00B SC$
Corporations bought, closed or moved and Enterprise Tax -97.37B SC$
Income from Selling Corporations 0.00B SC$
Cash from Closed Corporations 0.00B SC$
Materials Purchased on the Market 0.00B SC$
Materials Sold on the Market 0.00B SC$
Raw Materials Purchased from own Corporations 0.00B SC$
Raw Materials Sold to own Corporations 0.00B SC$
Cash Transfers To and From Corporations 700.00B SC$
Profit Payments and Cash Transfers 0.00B SC$
Bonuses and Awards 0.00B SC$
Cost of Financial Services 0.00B SC$
Cash Exchanged for Gold Coins 0.00B SC$
Income/Cost of Shares 0.00B SC$
Income from Dividend from Public Corporations 0.00B SC$
Cash Available 10,306.67B SC$
Corporation Data - Total of All Corporations Total Employed 150,823,408
Average Salary per Worker per Month 4,925.00 SC$
Total Production 3,779.11B SC$
Cash Flow - Totals in All Corporations
Total Turnover - Products Sold 3,713.96B SC$
Total Salaries -742.88B SC$
Total Materials Cost -986.32B SC$
Total Interest Paid 0.00B SC$
Paid to Countries for Resourced Used -1,114.19B SC$
Total Fixed Cost -137.70B SC$
Total Maintenance Cost -304.22B SC$
Total Profit 428.67B SC$ |
| Maestro2000 (Golden Rainbow) | Tuesday, March 22, 2011 - 10:21 pm
Check another ceo
"Virgin" on GR world
Enterprise Tax = 39.67B
Income in the month = 200.40B
Rate = 19.80%
There was no recent movement activity in this enterprise so the amount should be purely enterprise tax.
Looking at these last two examples makes me wonder if the enterprise tax rate is 20%.
What bothers me here is enterprises pay a 40% country resource fee and income taxes in the countries they are located in already.
If true, this 20% enterpise tax seems excessive.
(Remember each enterprise pays 30 coin per month) |
| NiAi | Wednesday, March 23, 2011 - 10:04 am
Those enterprise taxes you pay Maestro seems to be in line of what W3C wants. They dont want succesfull CEO to become to rich.
What this thread was about was first the bugged enterprise tax of several 100s% of profit, and later a slightly lessed bugged one that made me pay ~45% tax. I did find out why i got it the later, but no response for W3C so far. Id guess they are laying low, since this first bug did cost me alone over 20gc of SC$, and they dont want to deal with it. |
| Linebacker Six | Wednesday, March 23, 2011 - 10:19 am
From what I can extrapolate from Tom's responses here and elsewhere, it seems that they are using a formula based on a scale that increases with gross profits.
Those with larger, more profitable enterprises are going to lose more to this tax.
A graduated income tax if you will.
I am trying to get a dialogue going to steer W3C away from these extra-economic methods of reducing game cash such as this tax and financial services for countries.
In my opinion, reducing per worker corporate profitability is the only valid economic means to their end of reducing game cash per month per given population.
It levels the playing field without just eliminating or reducing the success of the players who learn to play effectively. |
| Maestro2000 (Golden Rainbow) | Wednesday, March 23, 2011 - 03:19 pm
CEO's becoming to rich?
Enterprises pay 30 coin a month. Isn't that enough? |
| NiAi | Wednesday, March 23, 2011 - 04:11 pm
Maestro, you will not hear me argue. 30gc is a hefty price enough, and it requires a profitable enterprise to just break even. We who might just make it, shall be slapped with extra taxes. Brings me back to Swedish view on a fair tax system :P
With 0% profit transfer, we get what W3C wants us to pay, ~30% extra tax on profit. That is much, but what made me quite furious was a bug that made us pay 200-300% tax, and after they revoke it, a 50% tax if you are getting profit transfers via the profit transfer system. W3C hasn't bothered to respond yet about this... |
| Maestro2000 (Golden Rainbow) | Wednesday, March 23, 2011 - 09:47 pm
CEO "Virgin" on GR world
Enterprise profit = 607.28B
Enterprise Tax = 142.31B
Isn't the 30 coin per month enough?
Where does the money go? Game black hole?
Must be a European thing. |
| Blueserpent | Wednesday, March 23, 2011 - 10:17 pm
If after playing for over a year, you cant make enough to cover gc's for your empires and ceo's....give up |
| Maestro2000 | Thursday, March 24, 2011 - 12:29 pm
The point is 30 coin per month should be enough for the GM.
Adding this extra tax is excessive. |
| NiAi (Fearless Blue) | Thursday, March 24, 2011 - 05:21 pm
"Adding this extra tax is excessive. "
This tax has been here for quite some time, as we all know. What W3C supposes to do, but bugged it last week, is to RAISE the tax further. This extra tax on players succeeding is distressing, and raising it is a bad idea.
However, this thread was in the beginning about how enterprise tax was bugged, and how it STILL is bugged (in conjunction with profit transfer).
I do endorse a new thread about the idea of enterprise tax, but this ever growing thread ought to be dedicated to HOW IT IS, and not how we want it to be. And right now its still bugged, and damages from last week fully ignored by W3C. Hopefully they fix it before they try again. |
| Maestro2000 | Thursday, March 24, 2011 - 05:33 pm
Sorry to steer the conversation.
I never paid much attention to the enterprise tax before this post.
Opening/closing/moving corporations has always been a big part of my ceo game so never really focused on the portion for overall profit.
Maestro |
| NiAi (Little Upsilon) | Tuesday, March 29, 2011 - 09:54 am
Just to confirm:
Little Upsilon: Apr 30 2763
NiAi StarRepublic Corp on LU
Corporations bought, closed or moved and Enterprise Tax -66.82B SC$
Total Profit 343.61B SC$
Enterprise tax in %:~19,5%
Tax, when avoiding profit transfer is working as intended. When i was using profit transfer tax was the double.
Please take a look at the profit transfer bug affecting enterprise tax ! (as atleast tell us that you want it that why W3C) |
