| E O | Friday, March 26, 2021 - 09:02 pm 
I'm war level 10 on White Giant, which basically means I can't fight anyone. I have a war level protection from everyone because I killed a few more computer-fielded defenses.
There is only one player on the entire planet who is of a high enough level for me to fight, which is kinda dumb despite there being over a dozen players who've made it to war level 3. I've never talked to this other player, and have zero reason to attack him. If my federation goes to war against anyone else, I get to sit it out unless targeted directly?
Going up in war levels gives you gold coins, which is nice, but if you want to actually fight against other players (EVER) don't do beyond level 3 outside of FB. If I had realized getting a few extra gold coins would prevent my empire from ever engaging in any combat I wouldn't have done it. Seems like a waste to build up any military in them now since I couldn't use it.
Saying someone who can defeat higher war levels shouldn't be able to fight lower level players is also kind of silly IMO. You could... just not ever fight high level c3s and stay low war level. Doing that does nothing to change your ability to fight, but would actually allow you to play simcountry multiplayer.
I get the war level idea, but man it's really jacked everything up (as many/most players with any war experience have said). My opinion is that it should be much more binary (in or out of protection). Having protection at all is already a big restriction.
Creating "you made a high level against a computer so you can't fight people" rules doesn't help anything. If I had never fought a c3 since my return, I'd still know what I know and be exactly as good at war as I am now, but just would not be at a high war level.
The war level system 100% incentivizes smurfing. I wish I had done it myself. |
| Matthew I | Friday, March 26, 2021 - 10:15 pm
I also don't see the point in making a level requirement other than WL3 for PvP. Even that restriction makes war hard to come by, only so many people reach WL3, but now there is 0 incentive to actually move up in war level past 3.
I feel like the current system is confusing, even to veterans. I understand the need for it or something like it, but IMO right now its very restrictive and confusing.
I really think a more simple, less restrictive, system would be nice. There shouldn't be roadblocks for people that all around want to fight. |
| Andy | Saturday, March 27, 2021 - 05:52 pm
There are indeed differences between WG and FB.
there are many more war options on FB.
we can ask players if they want the other worlds to have more wars and to remove some of the protections for players on WG. |
| Matthew I | Sunday, March 28, 2021 - 01:08 am
I would actually like to see what the general population thinks.
And to preface, I do understand the need for a war level, but I feel like its too much. If you dont want to go to war, you would just leave protection on and not move up in War Level. |
| Andy | Sunday, March 28, 2021 - 06:50 pm
Protection works for the main country.
for the other countries you need to purchase war protection.
we do not want to end up forcing players to purchase war protection for money except for special situations.
it is not meant as a general function paid for with gold coins. |
| E O | Tuesday, March 30, 2021 - 08:41 pm
I definitely would love to hear other players' opinions, but keep in mind, there are extremely few players who have made it to level 3, let alone actually fought in a war in the first place. There aren't many players who can really give much of an opinion from having made it through war level protections.
I joined White Giant in October, and there hasn't been a war on the entire planet since then. I joined LU before that, and there hasn't been a war there either. What exactly do players need protection from? I don't see anything.
The main point I'm bringing up here is this:
- if you choose to remove your FREE, PERMANENT war level protection by going to WL3, you're opening yourself to the possibility of war with other players. I'll say it again, by going to war level 3, you're removing FREE, PERMANENT protection by conscious choice. If that doesn't indicate you're open to interacting with other players militarily, I'm not sure what will?
- by going to war level 3, you shouldn't then receive EXTRA protections against players who simply have killed more computerized units than you (higher war level). You already waived war protection, so why is there more war protection?
- achieving high war levels is not an indicator whatsoever of how well you can fight against players, so it shouldn't be treated as a "protection level" tool.
As I somewhat heatedly noted in my original post, I should have just stayed war level 3. There's nothing pushing me beyond that, and I would have had no restrictions to play with or against other players. THIS is what's broken with protection between different war levels. If I was war level 3 instead of war level 10, would I be a more or less skilled player than I am now? No. I'd be the exact same player, but just at a level that I could interact with other players if the occasion arose for it. |
| Jiggle Billy | Tuesday, March 30, 2021 - 11:42 pm
But doesn't remaining under war level 3 protect all of your countries from war on White Giant?
I must agree with EO, any war-level over 3 (or if we want to increase asset security a higher war-level like 4 or 5) should be able to fight any other level above the minimum.
I do disagree with EO's point on war protection, I think on the high asset security worlds like white giant we should be able to turn on and off the free war protection on the primary country, or if preferred a nominal, one time cost to reactivate it after removing. |
| Amalie | Wednesday, March 31, 2021 - 03:56 am
@Andi
Honestly
No one is really moving up that high on WG most of us just go to war lvl3 and stop there so we could have that option to fight presidents
However i think the problem is that there are some players that have decided to go higher in war level on WG like war lvl 6-12 but is unable to fight pvp wars because it hardly has players in that area
Let’s say i am war lvl 3 and I’m strong enough to fight a lvl8-10 player but I can’t do that because they are curtain restrictions stopping me from doing so
I think we all need to work on an idea that could be easily implemented into the game that would allow us to fight without the war lvl comparison |
| davidclonan9 | Wednesday, March 31, 2021 - 08:30 am
I would agree with EO partially, but I must say for the high asset world like WG, we should be able to turn war lv protection level off and on, the System already made that possible, with Some benefits attached, what should be done andy is increasing such benefits for countries who decides to turn war lv protection off.. there should be difference between war-optional worlds and war worlds.. in as much we wish for increased activity, war Experience has a role to play, My opinion tho.. |
| E O | Wednesday, March 31, 2021 - 09:31 pm
To be clear:
I'm simply arguing that there should not be additional restrictions about who you can fight outside whether or not the player is war level 3.
WL3 and above? You can fight any other WL3 and above.
WL2 and below? Permanent protection.
Secured mode (permanent free protection in your main)? Fine.
There is literally zero PVP war right now. Zero. There isn't a need for restrictions on it. |
| Matthew I | Thursday, April 1, 2021 - 01:36 am
As far as the War Level system as a whole goes, I've voiced my thoughts on the subject previously. I think that given the amount of players (and what Federation they belong to...) have made it to WL3 is telling enough. The two conclusions you can draw is players either don't want to fight (Which I will attest is NOT how a lot of players feel, especially the new ones that come to the game bright-eyed full of hope) or the system is restrictive/non-intuitive. But that's a whole different discussion all together.
The problem here is once you reach WL3, there are still restrictions. Even if you've turned OFF protective mode.
@JiggleBilly
No, actually. You can turn off "war protection" and be attacked. For instance if I'm WL2, and turn off "War protection" (Secured mode, technically) a WL3 can attack me since I've taken off the protection. But if I take off 'Secured Mode', or even reach WL3, a WL6 cannot attack me because of the war level disparity.
It's mildly confusing.
@David
I don't really understand what "Benefits" you're referring to. Turning off war protection allows you to be attacked, but you yourself cannot actually attack anyone else (Unless they too have protection turned off, but even then you might need to be WL3). No one is arguing we should get rid of "Secured mode", or even relaxing the WL3 stipulation. But, to me at least, I see no reason why you'd put further stipulations on War Level once you've already reached WL3.
The problem isn't that there is asset protection, but there is a redundant layer of it that punishes players for attacking C3's (the only OTHER war targets on the planet..) and moving up in level. As it stands, moving up too high in War Level prohibits you from fighting. Which is as annoying as it is ironic. A good amount of progress from increasing new-player bonuses to lowering the cost of equipment has been made, but I still don't see why it would be so restrictive after you've made it clear you're fine with PvP. |
| Andy | Saturday, April 3, 2021 - 03:02 pm
The point I get out of this is that many of you think we should make it easier for PvP wars between any countries, war level 3 and up.
This point was made many many times before.
We tend to agree and start making such changes.
getting to higher war levels then has exactly one reason:
winning gold coins.
difference between FB and all other worlds:
on FB you are forced into war level 3 after 60 days.
on the other worlds you can stay under war level 3 and never be attacked.
When in war level 3 or higher, You can purchase war protection if you are not available or you want a temporary rest from wars. This is true on all the worlds. |
| E O | Saturday, April 3, 2021 - 10:22 pm
Appreciate you being open to the feedback, Andy. Your conclusions sound good to me. |
| Jiggle Billy | Monday, April 5, 2021 - 12:59 pm
It sounds like your understanding what were saying quite well. Thank you Andy. |
| Andy | Wednesday, April 7, 2021 - 01:53 pm
Please read the game news just posted.
The change is made. |
