| notoriousstrike87 | Saturday, May 11, 2024 - 01:51 am 
Hi all,
I would like an advice on the war guide. I did search for an update war guide but it was written on 2019. I may wonder does ther any update on the war guide since its 2024. If u can advice me. Do give me how many forces i need for the invasion of c3 country for my level 2 war level like for example, how many mid range missile batteries, Offensive AAs, special forces and so on forth i need for the invasion. Any information regarding the war guide are welcome. Thanks. |
| James Folsom | Tuesday, May 28, 2024 - 01:32 am
I'm not an expert, I fought one C3, since 2014. But I won and can report on that. You can maybe can derive something from my experience.
I started the war because I couldn't remember anything about war, and wanted a refresher to guide my thinking on how to set up my defenses. I didn't intend/think I would win it. the country had a defense index of 121.
I tried things like luring in the airforce buy attacking defenses with units that had tons of DefAA. I tried attacking the airforce with attack airwings it was all naive poking around not knowing what do and trying to remember what to do. Lost my entire off airforce right away. (I'm interested modern tactics for dealing with airforce, but don't expect anyone is willing to share here.)
In the end one thing I rediscovered/remembered was that there is no need to bother with the air force in conquering a C3. Just ignore them and whistle in the dark.
First thing I remembered is that C3 army will not attack you if you don't attack it (borg philosophy, maybe). So I set random units driving all over it, they would stop moving whenever they encountered "weapons"(if anyone knows what weapons cause this I'm interested. It didn't seem to be all weapon.) I was able to paint 95% of the country and discovered where all the major weapons were by just driving around. (I'd imagine in a real war with a human, they would send something to stop you from doing this.) This dropped the war index a good bit.
Next, I remembered/accidentally rediscovered that the air force will not respond to ground attacks on targets. By this point I only had several hundred of each ground offense weapon, but plenty ammo. (plenty of ground attack ammo is key ~50k). But I knew there were plenty of targets that were not defended. So I sent my ragtag collection of ground assault units accompanied by whatever defensive units were left on a cross country tour popping off any undefended targets they came upon. (get at least 3 long range radar planes to locate undefended targets.) Didn't have any losses except for when I got to close to the enemies mobile ground units. So just stay away from those, if you attack even undefended targets near them, they will retaliate.
In summary my takeaway on beating a C3 is just assemble maybe like 500 total ground weapons (armored vehicles/artillery/ etc. with around 50,000 rounds of matching ammo. I think one of the ground weapons doesn't even use ammo, so if could be fun to see if just using those would work. I also had some defensive units carrying whatever several hundred "def" missile types I had left. I sent them along for good measure, but it may not have been necessary. Then just sneak across the border, hide from the enemies ground defenses, and terrorize whatever undefended targets you find.
Perhaps I got lucky, I don't know, but that's the story of my C3 win. |
| Eeeee OOOooo | Tuesday, May 28, 2024 - 02:03 am
Quick clarifications:
- Defensive air force does respond to ground attacks (helicopters in particular).
- Low level (especially level 1 or 2) c3s have very small defenses and low quality defenses.
Additional tips:
- Weapons either basically hit ground/sea or air.
- Attacking defenses of a target (as opposed to trying to destroy the target first) will shoot at any defending weapons to clear them out. Try this before going to knock the target out.
- Read the log. Each time a shot or engagement occurs, there is a report on how it played out. Read it.
- Don't rely on the unit "templates" that are built into the game. Most of the weapons that are suggested are not actually good to include. Try to specialize your units (IE, focus on anti-weapon units, anti-air units, etc and mass those weapons without including unrelated weapon systems).
- Come to the chat and talk to veterans
The war engine changes somewhat often. The strength of c3s changes somewhat often. Guides for exact qties go obsolete fast and the players who achieve each level can only do so once. They're not able to go back and test again, hence less guides. |
| James Folsom | Tuesday, May 28, 2024 - 04:04 am
So could a C3 not have helicopters? Because I�m quite sure I did not eliminate the air force. And in the final phase I attacked numerous undefended targets with no losses and no response from the enemy at all. I�m willing to try again, so you guys can verify. Should also be able to see it in the newspaper.
-hymy- |
| James Folsom | Tuesday, May 28, 2024 - 04:05 am
I had this same experience in 2014 |
| James Folsom | Thursday, May 30, 2024 - 02:29 am
So I threw together some land attack implements went and declared war on C3.
The first attack, the helicopters came and flattened me.
So today just to be sure, I went back with 100 heavy artillery and went to work. No helicopters in sight. I'm just leveling with 100 heavy artillery.
I don't know what the deal is, I didn't destroy any helicopters. They just went Awol, or ran out of AMMO?
It suggests certainly that it is possible for a newbie to put together a supply unit and a small ground unit and conquer a C3 with little investment. But I don't know how to for sure replicate this.
The second time I attacked, I had added a small defense unit with mostly def anti-aircraft batteries, and parked it nearby. This was just to simulate what I had done last time. But the logs didn't show it having any effect. I drove it away and was still able to destroy stuff with no response.
I don't know enough about so, I would suggest others try it.
-hymy- |
| James Folsom | Thursday, May 30, 2024 - 04:06 am
Log:
May 08 5391. Long Range Battalion 'Verdan' attacks 'Delta Gasoline' gasoline corporation.
The Republic of Virtua (the attacked country) reports:
Delta Gasoline gasoline corporation is completely destroyed.
There were 17086 casualties and 22786 civilians were wounded.
Weapons based at Delta Gasoline may have been destroyed.
The attack added 5.55 damage points. The War Index is now 30.82
Hymyland (the attacker) reports:
On the Hymyland side no losses were reported.
The attack may have been reduced or eliminated by Anti Missile Missiles.
The War Index remains 99.97
May 06 5391. Long Range Battalion 'Verdan' attacks the county of 'Sukarta'.
The Republic of Virtua (the attacked country) reports:
The county of Sukarta is completely destroyed.
There were 7124 casualties and 6349 civilians were wounded.
Weapons based at Sukarta may have been destroyed.
The attack added 6.26 damage points. The War Index is now 36.37
Hymyland (the attacker) reports:
On the Hymyland side no losses were reported.
The attack may have been reduced or eliminated by Anti Missile Missiles.
The War Index remains 99.97
May 03 5391. Long Range Battalion 'Verdan' attacks the county of 'Sukarta'.
The Republic of Virtua (the attacked country) reports:
The county of Sukarta is completely destroyed.
There were 9472 casualties and 5980 civilians were wounded.
Weapons based at Sukarta may have been destroyed.
The attack added 0.33 damage points. The War Index is now 44.17
Hymyland (the attacker) reports:
On the Hymyland side no losses were reported.
The attack may have been reduced or eliminated by Anti Missile Missiles.
The War Index remains 99.97
Sep 27 5390. Long Range Battalion 'Verdan' invades The Republic of Virtua.
Long Range Battalion 'Verdan' is conquering areas in The Republic of Virtua.
Citizens suffer under the occupation by Hymyland.
Sep 27 5390. Long Range Battalion 'Verdan' invades The Republic of Virtua.
Long Range Battalion 'Verdan' is conquering areas in The Republic of Virtua.
Citizens suffer under the occupation by Hymyland.
Sep 27 5390. Long Range Battalion 'Verdan' attacks the town of 'Juterborg'.
The Republic of Virtua (the attacked country) reports:
The town of Juterborg is for 78.7% damaged.
There were 19386 casualties and 18151 civilians were wounded.
No weapon losses were reported.
The defense was assisted by the Defense helicopter Wing Sunter.
The attack added 2.32 damage points. The War Index is now 51.01
Hymyland (the attacker) reports:
Long Range Battalion 'Verdan' lost 29 offensive aa batteries, 9 heavy armored vehicles, 100 heavy artillery and 200 heavy tanks.
Long Range Battalion 'Verdan' lost trucks, gasoline and military supplies.
The attack may have been reduced or eliminated by Anti Missile Missiles.
272 soldiers were killed and 788 were wounded.
The War Index remains 99.95
Sep 26 5390. Long Range Battalion 'Verdan' invades The Republic of Virtua.
Long Range Battalion 'Verdan' is conquering areas in The Republic of Virtua.
Citizens suffer under the occupation by Hymyland. |
| cafecafegames | Monday, August 5, 2024 - 04:20 pm
From the guides section... Building empires.
Scenario 2. Build Empire by taking C3
How effective is this point nowadays?
I have only 1 slave and I'd like to conquer at least another C3 country. |
| James Folsom | Thursday, August 8, 2024 - 08:57 pm
This particular subject turned out to happen because the helicopter unit ran out of ammo and due to product shortages. I wasn�t able to reproduce it at level four.
I a recommend an air force attack and bombing wing with 100 precision bombers and the rest as fighters. You have create it an then edit it in order to get about 600 fighters and 100 bombers. Higher quality is better. Use it to attack defenses somewhere that is defenseless. You�lll need to do it for each defense wing several times. Make sure to attack the air defense units once all the interceptors are gone. |
| hrara8608 | Tuesday, December 24, 2024 - 08:45 am
i defeated C3 for War level 3, only took me 1 ground unit while slowly killing the helis without much of an Air Support |
| Andy | Tuesday, December 24, 2024 - 12:43 pm
C3s at the lowest war level, now have fewer garrisons.
thanks for the update.
we did not try it before. |
| hymy1 | Tuesday, December 24, 2024 - 06:57 pm
I've done alot more experimenting since this original post.
Easiest way to get rid of airforce is a division of OAAB and MRMB. If there is no ground defense units near the airforce. Simply, select each airwing, and attack defenses. If the airport is near the base where all the ground units congregate, these units will participate and complicate things. I have to do another campaign to test how best to eliminate these.
The garrisons are the next things that need to be dealt with. The easiest way is the largest attack and bombing wing of 770. Fill it with precision bombers and drones. I was playing with 200 bombers and 570 drones, and it was cheapest and nearly the best method. Some other more advanced methods include Stealth bombers, but you need to make a bunch of those wings and futz with them to get them upto 170. And you have use a tiered attack where you get rid of the Antiaircraft batts, and then use Drones to finish it off. It's not the best method for C3s. Worth knowing in pvp though, as a player will present more creative defenses. There is also naval guided missiles combined with missile cruisers. Very expensive, basically the Ferrari of warfare. You need to put hundreds of them together in a fleet with 100s of thousands missiles. But you can drive that thing around anywhere in the world and vaporize stuff. I have plenty of the weapons and ammo, but even I cannot afford to assemble it into a fleet and maintain it. I just throw it together when its needed, and then dismantle it.
In the future I will explore options against the various ground units you might encounter in a C3. |
