| SimcountryCEO | Thursday, December 27, 2012 - 03:45 pm 
From a9fc8yt3kd1:
I was wondering, if I station a missile defense division in my country, equipped with anti-aircraft missile batteries and missile interceptor batteries, will the anti-aircraft missile batteries and missile interceptor batteries protect all targets in my country from attacks by aircraft and missiles, in the same way as the defensive air-force does, or will they only protect targets adjacent to where the missile defense division is stationed, or will they only protect the division itself? |
| SweetPea | Thursday, December 27, 2012 - 04:02 pm
The idea has been floated to allow local units that are not the direct target of the enemy to participate in the defense of targets close to them. I don't think the Gms have made a decision on it yet, but Andy has mentioned it a few times, and at least once in a discussion very recent. I'm 95% sure that only the target participates in the defense in an attack unless there are local air units which cover a distance of 1000 to 1500KM from where those air defense units are stationed.
Interceptors defend against air attacks, and helicopters defend against missile and land force attacks. |
| SimcountryCEO | Thursday, December 27, 2012 - 04:17 pm
From a9fc8yt3kd1:
Thanks. That's how I thought it worked, but I wasn't sure. |
| Andy | Friday, December 28, 2012 - 02:28 pm
This is indeed how it works now. The land defense is local (very local).
We will publish the details of the change next week and implement it in the following weeks.
The change will allow military units that are within range of an attacked target, to participate in the defence.
The change will take place after the introduction of the first two types of mobile units. |
| SimcountryCEO | Saturday, December 29, 2012 - 04:56 am
After the update, will defensive army units defend federation members as well? |
| Crafty | Saturday, December 29, 2012 - 04:39 pm
Gamemaster does state 'within range of an attacked target to participate in the defense', so I would think that very unlikely.
Defensive airwings do defend fed members that are in range as I'm sure you know. |
| SimcountryCEO | Sunday, December 30, 2012 - 02:39 am
I know, but what if a federation member is within range of, say, the anti-aircraft missile batteries in a defensive land unit? Suppose I have a federation member who is directly on my border, and they are attacked with an airstrike? Will the anti-aircraft batteries in a defensive land unit of mine, stationed within the borders of my country, protect them if they are within range? |
| SweetPea | Sunday, December 30, 2012 - 07:42 am
I would like to know if within range = 35km. |
| SimcountryCEO | Sunday, December 30, 2012 - 08:17 am
@SweetPea:
I meant AFTER the planned update, when defensive land units gain the ability to defend all targets in the country so long as said targets are within the range of the land based weapons. THEN, will defensive land units defend allies as well, if said allies are within range? |
| SweetPea | Sunday, December 30, 2012 - 08:20 am
An interesting question that I think Andy will have to answer for you. I am not sure if they thought that far into it, but I would like to know the answer to that question as well. |
| Crafty | Sunday, December 30, 2012 - 12:30 pm
I suppose it is theoretically possible to have a defensive unit within 35Km of another countries city/corp etc, but hardly likely to occur very often. I mean, do you realise how small 35 is on the maps? |
| SimcountryCEO | Sunday, December 30, 2012 - 04:01 pm
@Crafty:
I'm talking about AFTER the update, when the 35Km limit is removed, and the only limit is the range of the weapons themselves. The game documentation lists the range for missile interceptor batteries as 3,500 kilometers ... so, after the update, if I have a federation member within 3,500 kilometers of a defensive land unit of mine, will missile interceptor batteries in my defensive land unit defend targets in my federation member's country as well as targets in my country, or will they only defend targets in my country even if all of the targets in my federation member's country are within the 3,500 kilometer range of the missile interceptors? |
| Keto | Sunday, December 30, 2012 - 05:55 pm
Correct me if I'm wrong(updates may have changed this), but federation members who are in range only defend with interceptors/helicopters, while defensive land batteries only defended the country they are in.
Now, it makes sense to have all of a players defenses,air or land, defend other fed members if they are in range. |
| SweetPea | Sunday, December 30, 2012 - 06:22 pm
Why would the 35KM limit be removed? You are saying it already functions as shared defense within 35KM even before the change we are talking about now? Or are you assuming the change will include a range farther than 35KM? |
| SweetPea | Sunday, December 30, 2012 - 06:24 pm
Also it would probably be in everyone's best interest to solve the problem of items bunched on a map, even for players that set their maps up in this way. It would be remarkably easy to exploit this by bunching your most important targets into a single space and sitting hundreds of support units right on top of them. |
| Crafty | Sunday, December 30, 2012 - 09:36 pm
Yeah, I would say you are getting confused in the range thing dude. Like 35K is the standard 'in range'. Maybe I'm wrong, but I was thinking the GM didnt mean making it the actual range of the defending units weapons to the attacked target, but the 35K for spotting or backup purposes. Like the current 35K for a unit next to a target in a neighbour country to assist airwing attacks.
Meh, more assumption, maybe Andy will clear it up.
(wendy, grrr... I thought I may have been the only one to think of this, hush, it's only me and you now). |
| SimcountryCEO | Monday, December 31, 2012 - 04:01 am
@ Crafty:
Currently, defensive land units only protect targets which are within 35 kilometers of them. However, after the update, if defensive land units will defend all targets in the country, the 35 kilometer limit has to be removed, because targets in a country can be far more than 35 kilometers apart, unless you purposely bunch them all together on the map. I'm just wondering if this protection will extend to allies as well, if they are within a certain range. |
| SweetPea | Monday, December 31, 2012 - 08:37 am
Lol, CC ;) I'll try to keep my thoughts to myself from now on. |
| SweetPea | Monday, December 31, 2012 - 08:38 am
Quote:Currently, defensive land units only protect targets which are within 35 kilometers of them.
I was actually really unaware that these were already functioning this way, wow call me nuuuuub! |
| Crafty | Monday, December 31, 2012 - 10:44 pm
Me too Sweetpea.
Andy, please clarify.
simceo, I got what you meant a few post ago, but like wendy, I dont think def units do defend targets at all. I took it that the GM meant they would if within 35K like the off units do. |
| Serpent | Wednesday, January 2, 2013 - 10:34 pm
Yes please clarify, as I am unaware of this as well. |
| Michael VII | Monday, January 7, 2013 - 07:10 pm
I believe CEO's question regards the distance between units (as practiced now) vs the range of a particular weapon may reach (when the 35km limit is removed).
If the 35km unit distance is removed then it makes sense that a weapon capable of reaching a distant 1000km-target will be attacked. |
| Crafty | Monday, January 7, 2013 - 10:53 pm
Thanks for the bump Michael |
