| Emperor Norberto (Little Upsilon) | Sunday, May 31, 2009 - 07:58 am 
Norbian Empire
I have my Education index at around 200 and my health index at around 160. My transportation index is somewhere around 150. What are good index levels for a good economy? I want to make money but am only making a 4-8 billion dollar profit. |
| Alarich (Little Upsilon) | Monday, June 1, 2009 - 11:47 pm
200 education
250 health
200 transportation
if you wants to make money, add more pop to your countries set 0% tax and invite other to invest on your country. building both, private and state companies is a good startegy to run your economy. |
| Maxwell 'Danger' Powers (Little Upsilon) | Tuesday, June 2, 2009 - 10:14 pm
I have ~120 on all relevant stats and 80% state and national corps with 0% tax, salaries at 700. I make 200-300B per game year. Population in my country has been increasing steadily (i mean totally linearly), until i got over 25m, when my population increased at a fluctuating but genearlly decreased rate.
Are these numbers greater or less than what is expected? Any advice welcome. |
| Laguna | Tuesday, June 2, 2009 - 10:54 pm
Education: 200 - 250
Health: 120 - 160
Transportation: > 45 |
| Maxwell 'Danger' Powers (Little Upsilon) | Wednesday, June 3, 2009 - 12:42 pm
What aspects of the game these indicies affect? For example: edu and health affects immigration, edu affects training etc, health affects disability/death rate. |
| Laguna | Wednesday, June 3, 2009 - 01:29 pm
Immigration and training are inexistent. The Welfare Index is affected. In turn, productivity. |
| Emperor Norberto (Little Upsilon) | Thursday, June 4, 2009 - 12:37 am
What does the immigration index mean? |
| Ravenous Cannibal (Little Upsilon) | Thursday, June 4, 2009 - 02:21 am
I think the immigration index is determined by your population transfers and/or population purchases and sales. Not sure if worker trades count in.
High health index leads to more old people on social security. If health index effects disability that is news to me. I thought hospitals only effect disabled when they are made into special clinics. I've been happy with health index around 100. |
| Alarich (Little Upsilon) | Thursday, June 4, 2009 - 04:42 am
.......= Myths. |
| Grim Reaper (Little Upsilon) | Thursday, June 4, 2009 - 10:39 am
Immigration is depends on your government type.If you have democracy your likely to have people come and go when ever they want and change jobs too.Also have low score on immigration index compare to some other government types such communist types which they will increase the score of immigration and tells them to stay where they are without changes except when the corporations are upgrading.Do some study on different government types and see which ones are better. |
| John Fire (Golden Rainbow) | Thursday, June 4, 2009 - 11:07 am
Education: 200
This will slightly over-educate your population, but not by a lot.
Health: 120
Honestly, I would say you should maybe even go lower. I do not like having massive bands of old folks earning social security and contributing nothing, higher levels than around 120 are detrimental in the long term to your economy (in my thought over, yet unresearched, opinion).
Trans: 100
Why not have the required amount? I usually go for 270 because this boosts score and the cost doesn't seem too bad, but it really doesn't do anything so long as you have at least a 50 I think. |
| Kiteless (Little Upsilon) | Thursday, June 4, 2009 - 01:27 pm
Quote:Immigration is depends on your government type.If you have democracy your likely to have people come and go when ever they want and change jobs too.Also have low score on immigration index compare to some other government types such communist types which they will increase the score of immigration and tells them to stay where they are without changes except when the corporations are upgrading.Do some study on different government types and see which ones are better.
Government type has no effect whatsoever on countries.
It is for show only. In other words, a democracy is exactly the same as an anarchic state, a theocratic state or any other state you care to mention. |
| Alarich | Thursday, June 4, 2009 - 07:05 pm
Grim Reaper, do you mean that GOV type option does work in the in the game?
John Fire, thnks for the information. |
| Adrian Perez (Little Upsilon) | Tuesday, June 23, 2009 - 05:14 pm
My indices are thus:
Education: 160
Health: 100
Transport: 100
Social Security: 102
Employment: 89
Since I really don't care much for score, I just try to focus on Maximum Profitability, so that means that I try to reduce my cost as much as possible (since My revenue largely depends on CEO's) |
| Anthony King (Little Upsilon) | Wednesday, July 1, 2009 - 02:31 pm
Whats the difference between zero taxes and zero profit transfer compare to some taxes and some profit transfer? |
| Stephanie Forrester (Little Upsilon) | Monday, July 6, 2009 - 07:56 am
I dont know whats the difference Anthony.May be some other players might have better answer than I do. |
| Adrian Perez (Little Upsilon) | Monday, July 6, 2009 - 05:31 pm
Taxes affect the "Revenue" of ALL corporations in your country.
Profit Transfer Affects the "Profit" of your STATE and NATIONAL Corporations.
Hence why All CEO's want to build in zero tax countries. |
| Daelin (Little Upsilon) | Monday, July 6, 2009 - 06:09 pm
Every corporation pays taxes if the tax rate is > 0%. Taxes are based on the profit a corporation. A country offering zero taxes implies that any corporations residing in that country will not be paying any taxes every month.
Profit transfer is controlled by the majority owner of the corporation (the state for State-Controlled and Country Controlled Public Corporations, and the enterprise for Privately Held, and Enterprise Controlled Public Corporations). Profit transfer means that after all other expenses are paid, including taxes, what percentage of the net profit do you want to transfer to the controlling entity.
The last logical question is: "Given we see so many countries offering 0% taxes, how do they make any money?" Besides taxes, there's a second method for countries to make money from hosting privately controlled corporations. From the Corporation point of view, the cost is called "Country Resources Used". From the country point of view, the income is called "Income from Enterprises". While taxes are always a % of profit (and hence only profitable corporations will pay taxes), Country Resources Used are a percentage of the gross revenues that the corporation sells, regardless of any profit generated. Significantly, it's also much higher than any tax payment.
To illustrate, I have a few corporations in a 20% tax rate country. One of these corporations paid $45M in taxes last month. Another paid $145M in taxes. However, the first corporation also paid $1,280M in Country Resources Used to the host country, and the second corp paid $1,880M in Country Resources Used. As you can see, taxes are nothing compared to CRU's, so lowering your taxes to 0% is a powerful inducement to recruit companies to your state while only having a positive impact on your bottom line.
Finally, after evaluating your financial statements, you'll also see that privately owned corporations pay significantly more profit to the host country every month than state owned corps. In the same country that I illustrated the amount that my two private corporations were paying the host country, I also looked up two state corporations. One had quite a good month, and ended up paying nearly $400M in profit, split between taxes and profit transfer. The other corporation paid for a large material supplies order this month, so didn't make a profit at all. Hence, it didn't pay anything to the host country this month. Contrast that to the two private corporations that paid over $3,200M to the host country for about the same use of population and you can see why people prefer private corporations in their country.
To see the impact yourself on your CEO/country, look for the following line items in your financial statements:
From the Country side, the relevant line items are under the Financial tab (under "Profit & Loss - This Month")
Taxes paid by Corporations
Profit paid by State Owned Corporations
Income from Enterprises
From the CEO side, the relevant line items are found in each corporation page (under Cash Flow data):
Country Resources Used
Tax Paid
Profit Payment Paid |
| Adrian Perez (Little Upsilon) | Tuesday, July 7, 2009 - 12:32 am
Lol, I think I learned a few things in that post as well :P |
| Stephanie Forrester (Little Upsilon) | Tuesday, July 7, 2009 - 11:37 am
So the bottom line is you get more profit on zero taxes and zero profit transfer on ceo's companys so I get the point now and thanks for the explaination. |
| Daelin (Little Upsilon) | Wednesday, July 8, 2009 - 12:24 am
Not exactly. You technically get slightly less profit with zero taxes, given than any amount of taxes is greater than zero taxes. However, the amount is nominal and zero tax rate is used as an inducement to get CEOs into your country. As a country, your profit transfer setting ONLY affects companies you control (State corps and country controlled public corporations). It has no effect on private CEO corps. THEIR profit sharing setting (in their CEO) is what decides how much profit their corporation shares with their CEO. |
| Stephanie Forrester (Little Upsilon) | Wednesday, July 8, 2009 - 07:04 am
Ok,thanks. |
| Akasha (Little Upsilon) | Wednesday, December 16, 2009 - 06:29 pm
Ummm....the topic about ceo taxes and profit sharing really isn't so complicated.....
Basically, you don't make much more money by charging a corp tax and your country looks alot more attractive to an investing ceo if you have a 0% tax.
AS a country president, you will automatically be paid through the country resources used money and those revenues are plenty more than worrying about the small amount of additional money you get from having a tax. I have both countries...all set at 0% tax and an enterprise.
For my enterprise corporations, I will ONLY invest in 0% countries and if any country gets a tax AT ALL I instantly move to a 0% tax country. The reason why I only choose 0% tax countries is because I just don't think it's fair as a CEO owner and corporation owner who brings additional revenues to the countries I invest in, that I should have to basically pay "double taxation" through the unavoidable CRU fees and a corp tax on top of that. |
| Berand (Little Upsilon) | Wednesday, December 16, 2009 - 10:31 pm
This is a great post. Thanks to all who contributed, both the questions and the answers.
I hope it will be helpful to all new(er) players like myself. |
