| Gothamloki (Little Upsilon) | Wednesday, September 7, 2011 - 05:42 pm 
MARIA, ATHRETVARI -- The Athretvarian Ministry of External Affairs is pleased to announce the appointment of Gothamloki, Defender of the Realm of Athretvari, to a seat upon the Security Council of Little Epsilon.
The Athretvarian people are grateful for this honor and opportunity. It is our belief that the purpose of the Security Council has always been to promote and ensure the peaceful and prosperous development of Little Epsilon. While we are well aware of its failures and flaws, the Security Council's potential for good remains available but little used.
The Security Council maintains a current treasury of greater than 500 Trillion for the explicit purpose of providing development aid to struggling countries on LU.
We have seen only a few attempts to provide this aid, and most of those attempts have been rejected by general vote. We believe those rejections were based on the applicant country's violation of several unwritten rules for country's seeking "development" aid.
In an effort to make this aid more approv-able to the general membership, Athretvari will submit and promote applications for aid to countries that meet the following requirements:
1- Game level 1 or 2
2- War level 0 or 1
3- Education, health, and transportation indexes no greater than 130
4- Country profit no greater than 10 Billion
5- Country debt (including loans) no greater than 4 Trillion
6- No strategic weapons
7- Not in active or declared war
8- Country population no greater than 40 million
9- No greater than 2 countries in LU empire
10- World ranking no higher than 60
IMPORTANT - Please remove all financial and defense secrecy parameters for the duration of the application process. It is imperative that you allow for review of the country's complete economy, including your military expenditures.
The application process can take several realworld days. It requires a vote to approve the aid by the Security Council and then a general vote by all the presidents on LU to approve distributing the aid to your country.
You should prepare for your country's parameters to change in that time, making your country more or less "in need" of aid in the eyes of other presidents. A rejection of aid should not be viewed as an offense, but rather as an affirmation of your country's capabilities.
To apply, simply type the name of the country in need on this thread or contact me directly at Athretvari on LU.
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Federation and Common Market Chairs: Strengthen your group- get the word out and encourage recruits, new, and junior members in need to apply.
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Peace and Prosperity |
| Green Paws (Little Upsilon) | Wednesday, September 7, 2011 - 07:22 pm
I would like to see many more new presidents to seek international aid. |
| ZentrinoRisen (Little Upsilon) | Thursday, September 8, 2011 - 03:38 am
It seems to me that many of those who post in here support the proposals. It is the presidents who do not post in here (and maybe don't read in here) who reject them. The last several have all failed by 20-30 or more votes. |
| Accordion_This (Little Upsilon) | Thursday, September 8, 2011 - 08:16 am
How does the game select players for the Security Council? I don't recall G. reaching first place last month.
But congratulations, G. Hope you have a good run!  |
| CorporatePartner (Fearless Blue) | Thursday, September 8, 2011 - 10:54 am
This seat expired recently, and probably opened up for him or another. There are a few seats which rotate based on time spent on the world/log-in data, etc., or whatever other 'criteria' are used...basically, of the 15 seats, a handful are in this group of 'floaters'.
Anyhow, good luck with getting more good Proposals done, however, would have to challenge this "list of 10 criteria" for what is required to get Security Council Proposals made, as there only seems to be a couple of those that are actual 'restrictions' imposed by 'Gamemaster'.
- Not "Game Level" of 3 or above
- "Net cash" less than 2T SC$
Have not actually seen the Proposals be rejected for other than those two reasons, but obviously there may be more. |
| Gothamloki (Little Upsilon) | Thursday, September 8, 2011 - 03:00 pm
Accordion, CP's correct. I was selected for an open seat cause I've logged-on a lot lately. Havent reached number 1. Not sure about that accomplishment in the near future with the competition. (What's in the water in the Green Paws Empire?! Athretvari wants some. Insane. Seriously, send us some of that water!)
CP, the list is definitely more restrictive than documented SC requirements for proposals. These are the requirements for proposals I'd like to submit and advocate.
I've personally voted against a few proposals because the aid apeared to be more 'debt relief' for war or weapons over-expenditures by countries that look like they should be experienced enough or capable enough to help themselves, as opposed to real 'development aid' for a new struggling country to invest in infrastructure. I dont support aid for countries that spend their money on an unrealistic military. I'm imagining there are others that have also voted against aid proposals for some of these reasons. I'm hoping that proposals meeting these restrictions will be looked upon more favorably by the general assembly.
Part of the problem has also been the security settings. I automatically vote against aid for countries hidding their numbers. Just dont know what I'm really voting for.
I'm also really hoping that Fed and CM chairs get their recruits and new members to use the forums more. ("Team Building Exercise" --Besides, we (read I) need more healthy countries to build in. Gotta get the newbies ramped up and requesting CEOs!)
I'm trolling my region and continent for newbies with potential, throwing corps their way unsolicited and encouraging them to visit the forums. Hoping to get them interacting before they get bored just clicking and waiting for things to happen. |
| Gothamloki (Little Upsilon) | Thursday, September 8, 2011 - 03:23 pm
Zentrino, I think you're absolutely correct. It's a real obstacle to approving aid. The only way I can think of to get around it is getting the word out. (short of the GMs providing a more explicit way of getting (esp. new) players to the forums)
I encourage everyone to start a massive diplomatic "meet and greet" with every lonely country in their regions, gift them a few corp builds (even if their tax is still pegged at 30 and thier indexes arent perfect), drop a few pointers (my favorite is, "lower taxes entices investment, and investment is money!") and direct them to the forums. |
| Green Paws (Little Upsilon) | Thursday, September 8, 2011 - 06:51 pm
I've just secured my place in the Security Council from coming first as at 31st August 2011. It lasts until 31st January 2012.
I'll start by checking countries in my immediate home region to find potential beneficiaries and encourage interaction. I'll then begin on other areas.
Did they fix it so SC members get notice of SC voting, like one does with general voting? |
| Gothamloki (Little Upsilon) | Thursday, September 8, 2011 - 08:53 pm
Green Paws, when you go to the SC home page you should have a 'settings' link (think it's on the rightside of page). You can opt for msgs when votes are pending. |
| Gothamloki (Little Upsilon) | Thursday, September 8, 2011 - 08:58 pm
Oh, I'm not sure if this setting is just for general voting though. Hmmmm. |
| Green Paws (Little Upsilon) | Thursday, September 8, 2011 - 09:03 pm
Oh, well I hope it isn't just for general voting. I have both of them selected. It does mention "resolution" and not "general voting". So fingers crossed. |
| Gothamloki (Little Upsilon) | Friday, October 7, 2011 - 09:20 pm
One of the main duties of the Security Council is to help strengthen the economy of LU by helping the development of new emerging countries and export markets for our products.
Two new proposals for development aid have been submitted to the Security Council and General Assembly of LU.
The first proposal is for AutumnskyLU, the other for The Uesugi Shogunate.
Please support these proposals and encourage other developing countries to apply for aid.
Peace and Prosperity. |
| SuperSoldierRCP | Saturday, October 8, 2011 - 01:05 am
The issue with devolpment aid is this... No new players wants to see ANYONE get free cash.
Remember they think nukes are strong as god and 4T turns you into a superpower.
What the GM needs to do is leave voting up to the top 20players of the world and the SC. Between 28 people there should be enough to vote yes to get it passed. I was talking to a free player and he said he got 3messages about voting for the SC devolpment aid. This is good but he said he voted no because the other guy had a 13M pop country and was only 500B in debt he said there was no reason for him to get 4T.
The rest of us know that 4T is penny's in the bucket when paying debts and building a nation but to them its game changing turning someone into a superpower.
Anyways if i find someone to send here for help i will, but this is just GM food for though |
| Gothamloki | Saturday, October 8, 2011 - 02:37 am
I hear ya, Super! I'd love to see some reform in how aid is approved. Voting SHOULD be restricted to SC and top players who understand the game better.
I'm hoping we can try to convince the newbies (especially) that this aid is available to them and benefits all of LU in the long run. |
| David Walker (Little Upsilon) | Saturday, October 8, 2011 - 07:59 am
I think it up to us to get the right message across to all players to vote yes, perhaps mentioning at the time of the proposal to say, they should ask as well. That is probably the only guaranteed way we have of advertising the possibility to them.
The aid I proposed is currently 41-34 in favour so we have made some progress. Some players also wrote to me with comments and I replied. The president who aid is concerning is deacxtivating military units etc and refocusing on economic growth.
I think it is positive that we have more requests and that even if we just scrape through, it is an improvement.
I suggest when we propose in the future, we include a little statement at the bottom encouraging other new players to come forward and not just vote down the aid. |
| Kagekatsu Uesugi (Little Upsilon) | Saturday, October 8, 2011 - 08:18 pm
So where does the 4T come from? Do players collectively contribute to the development of the nation, like in real UN proposals, or does it come from GM generating the funds. (IE print money.)
If it has no consequence to countries like mine, 800B in debt, then I wouldn't see why any new player would vote against it in hopes of future aid to their own country. |
| Crafty (Little Upsilon) | Saturday, October 8, 2011 - 09:16 pm
There is a fund on each world that the security council can distribute. Its several hundred trillion dollars. I believe each and every country pays a small amount into this fund, and it is such a small amount per country that you wouldnt notice it.
It really does boggle the mind why people would vote no to 5T, hardly a fortune even to a new player, but it sure helps if spent wisely. Sometime I forget to vote at all, but I dont vote no. All candidates should get advice on how to get their economy going too, its stupid to receive 5T and go buy a load of guided missile frigates. |
| autey (Little Upsilon) | Tuesday, October 11, 2011 - 07:07 pm
heh I think I sent one of those messages and had to vote no. I will vote yes on this current proposal however. For the SC to be giving out free cash these recipients need to held to strict guidelines for using this aid as development. I understand it is a drop in the bucket but this multi-hundred T$ cash fund the SC is holding could be also used in other ways. Like supporting countries that get nuked by players like JHE. I would like to see the SC get more involved in helping quell situations like these and use some of this cash it has sitting around to fund these operations. Lets help all the players that deserve it. New and old alike. |
| David Walker (Little Upsilon) | Tuesday, October 11, 2011 - 08:31 pm
The SC aid can only be used to help players who are lower than game level 3 and have no more than 2T in cash. That generally means a very new player. I suppose if a player is nuked, they could meet the requirements.
I wish new players would be encouraged to talk the SC by the automation features. Most of the occasions by the time they figure it out, they are at game level 3 already. |
| ZentrinoRisen (Little Upsilon) | Wednesday, October 12, 2011 - 12:47 am
If a new player gets aid and uses it to buy weapons, they will quickly find it did not buy enough weapons to do anything to anyone. I say, give 5T to every new player who says they want to try to learn the game. If they use it right, it will help. If not, then we will know what they intended to do and they will leave the game because it did not work anyway.
5T is not enough to purchase weapons to get to WL3, especially for someone new. And there is no way they could then take a player controlled country with those weapons. |
| Gothamloki (Little Upsilon) | Saturday, October 29, 2011 - 04:51 am
The Security Council of LU is comissioned with the distribution of Development Aid to assist players build their country's infrastructure and economy. This internal development benefits the overall world economy by demanding more products, and providing a better educated and healthier population that can be employed by LU enterprises.
Athretvari is committed to the spirit of this aid and asks all presidents to vote yes on aid proposals to all countries that have active presidents, showing geniune interest, and in-process of development.
This aid is available to STRUGGLING countries gamelevel 3 and below. Vote Yes and Apply If In Need.
Peace and Prosperity. |
| President Mike (Little Upsilon) | Thursday, December 1, 2011 - 01:19 am
1- Game level 1 or 2
2- War level 0 or 1
3- Education, health, and transportation indexes no greater than 130
4- Country profit no greater than 10 Billion
5- Country debt (including loans) no greater than 4 Trillion
6- No strategic weapons
7- Not in active or declared war
8- Country population no greater than 40 million
9- No greater than 2 countries in LU empire
10- World ranking no higher than 60
I have all these requirements. The reason for this request for aid is that my nation's cash is in the negatives.Please help. |
| CorporatePartner (Fearless Blue) | Thursday, December 1, 2011 - 01:49 am
Quote:ZentrinoRisen (Little Upsilon)
Wednesday, October 12, 2011 - 12:47 am Click here to edit this post
If a new player gets aid and uses it to buy weapons, they will quickly find it did not buy enough weapons to do anything to anyone. I say, give 5T to every new player who says they want to try to learn the game. If they use it right, it will help. If not, then we will know what they intended to do and they will leave the game because it did not work anyway.
5T is not enough to purchase weapons to get to WL3, especially for someone new. And there is no way they could then take a player controlled country with those weapons.
Completely agree.
Though, the current maximum allowed appears to be 4T SC$ and the country must meet the absolute basic requirements set by the Security Council automated-system, otherwise, it's not even possible to make a proposal. Those requirements have changed occasionally, and may continue to do so. |
| Gothamloki (Little Upsilon) | Friday, December 2, 2011 - 01:00 am
President Mike's country is The Republic of Amelata.
He's an active player. Deserving of aid. Can a current SC member put forward a proposal for him? |
| sportsdickey (Little Upsilon) | Monday, April 2, 2012 - 09:19 pm
I President sportsdickey request International assitance for helping Anjou reconstruction. I think my country meet your criteria for receiving international aid. Thank you! |
| David Walker (White Giant) | Monday, April 2, 2012 - 11:51 pm
What is your country's name? |
| sportsdickey (Little Upsilon) | Tuesday, April 3, 2012 - 07:42 pm
Anjou |
| David Walker (Little Upsilon) | Tuesday, April 3, 2012 - 10:07 pm
I've proposed 4T for your 2nd country as your main has too much cash to qualify. |
| sportsdickey (Little Upsilon) | Thursday, April 5, 2012 - 03:02 pm
when is it happening? |
| the Phooey (Little Upsilon) | Thursday, April 5, 2012 - 08:57 pm
This can't be happening!!! |
| David Walker (Kebir Blue) | Thursday, April 5, 2012 - 11:37 pm
Please go to the Security Council page and don't expect to be "spoon fed". |
| sportsdickey (Little Upsilon) | Sunday, April 8, 2012 - 02:58 am
Thank you very much |
| Shadow Cast | Thursday, April 19, 2012 - 05:57 am
I am requesting development aid. My country of Contagium is steadily sliding backwards into a financial bog. As I learn the economic ropes, I feel i'm getting a better understanding of how this works. Unfortunately,Contagium can't afford to pay for this education. Assistance from the Security Council in the form of $4 trillion in development aid would be excepted with delight and grattitude. |
| Master P Scrills | Friday, April 27, 2012 - 06:16 pm
Hello Everyone,
I'm Glad to be in Little Upsilon, you guys are great to play with. I represent The Scrills Country and The Scrills State. Security Council has been very kind. They helped me with the AID some times ago now and as a result, I have successfully expanded my countries influence and would like to thank ya'll again for help.
Very best,
Scrills |
| ING LEZBO | Saturday, April 28, 2012 - 08:18 pm
Hello fellow world leaders lol
Evil Empire needs development aid |
| nix001 | Monday, April 30, 2012 - 01:04 am
the Phooey 'This can't be happening!!!'
LOL I agree if your saying what I think your saying David, you can't do that lol |
| the Phooey | Monday, April 30, 2012 - 02:58 pm
Oh! but he can
Gothamloki's first post is not worth the toilet paper it was printed on.
Gothamloki's silence during Sportsdickygate was deafening.
SupersoldiersRCP's idea to add another political level above the Presidents, and strip us of voting rights, smacks of delusions of grandeur.
Gothamloki's idea for SC alone to have sole voting rights, is illogical when most of SC cant be bothered to vote. Which leads to the usurpation of the SC for dubious ends, thus, Sportsdickygate.
Q. Where is the SC getting its funds from.
Q. Are our countries paying for the SC.
Q. How do we get out of this chickensh*t outfit |
| Master P Scrills | Tuesday, May 8, 2012 - 06:28 pm
Hello LU players,
This as a game and hence, I will again thank you all for being a sport. I thank David Walker for his help and the committee of Security Council for the AID.
"But for Once we are passing through this Earth"
Very Best,
Scrills |
| SuperSoldierRCP | Thursday, May 10, 2012 - 04:15 am
Q. Where is the SC getting its funds from.
A. Every Nation used to pay a small fee monthly as part of the costs of government was at most a few M per nation. But long ago the GM stopped it due to the fact most SC groups had 100's of trillions in cash assests.
Q. Are our countries paying for the SC.
A. Read above
Q. How do we get out of this chickensh*t outfit
A. You cant, it was set up to help new players who need aid. Anytime i get a message from a new player i review the nation and 99% of the time i give the SC a request for dev aid. SC is for helping new players and building community ties.
-----------------In reguards to my post-----------
I suggested that only the top 20 players should vote on dev aid for the fact you have this happen(read below), New players don't want to see anyone get free money because they think 4T turns them into a SUPERPOWER when in fact 4T is pennies in the bucket. All i was suggesting is that the SC and the top 20(being they are exp and know how the game works) would be able to really help the new players and be able to have better judgement on these issues
The Resolution was a proposal by J. Skullz with the following motivation:
Newer player having some trouble w/ Economy. Needs some help to correct the ship. 4T will give him a good start and some advise probably couldn't hurt as well.
The Security Counil accepted the proposal.
2 council members voted for the proposal and 0 council members voted against it.
General Voting is possible until 6 Nov 2967
24 presidents voted for the resolution and 17 presidents voted against it.
You voted for the resolution.
New player has done nothing but build indexs, invite CEO, and he even sold off his military(weapons wise) in attempts to really try to get out of the 2T debt hole hes in. My question is why is it getting voted down if hes doing everything right? Again new players don't want anyone getting free money, simple solution top 20voting, that's the reasoning behind my post |
| SuperSoldierRCP | Thursday, May 10, 2012 - 04:19 am
ThePhooey
You might want to be nicer on the forums after review of your nation i have a feeling your going to be begging for cash soon youself. Dont down yourself when your going to need that lifeline sometime soon |
| robmcmanus1 | Friday, May 11, 2012 - 08:29 am
New Plymouth on Little Up needs assistance badly.
All requirements for aid are met I believe.
Thanks for your consideration. |
| Christopher Michael | Sunday, May 13, 2012 - 07:40 am
I have proposed that New Plymouth get aid from the council.
Council will vote on the proposal, and if passed, will go to the presidents for a vote.
Good luck!
Christopher |
