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Wednesday, July 1, 2009 - 03:27 pm  War has been declared on WildEyes. This comes as a continuation of the war started in April. Obviously, people do not understand why a Gamemaster stops their wars and do not show appreciation when I halt their banishment. I've waited until July for a matter of courtesy, as this was the date that was stated, and because neither Wild or myself was around between the two months. Plus, I got injured so I won't be going anywhere soon. As it is pointless to fight a war without goal, I'll set my goal on reduction and a surprise buttsketch... or several. The last time I moved to wipe out players was... too long to remember actually. I do remember the scene on WG with Yankee and WGC though. But well, that wasn't the result of my initiative. I just hope my will to continue warring (and waste my time here) will suffice to end before time runs out, as this is a time limited event. I can promise that it will force the game to change again. Although I would appreciate if several people could alleviate me of my C3s stuffed with debt and reduce my govt costs, I have to advise against it. Such interference may not be too well liked by those that matter. And this time, I won't intervene to stop whatever comes from above. PS: I really can't censure when people email me calling you lifeless pricks. Just look at the time it took me to conquer those C3s, geez. War takes so much time... Oh well, I'm patient. /me proceeds to watch Ricky Gervais gig on LA.
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| Wednesday, July 1, 2009 - 05:00 pm Mmm. Happy July ;D edit: although I have to say, 10 years of WP in your war slaves and a bunch of C3s isn't going to impress me. Re-roll?
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| Wednesday, July 1, 2009 - 05:20 pm o_0
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| Wednesday, July 1, 2009 - 05:39 pm Would 100 years make you happier? For a very interesting reason, my account has been in war protection since February. Like many of my reasons, it is one not to be shared. This does not thump that reason, specially when it isn't necessary. If the C3s didn't have their purpose, I wouldn't have them.
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| Wednesday, July 1, 2009 - 05:47 pm Laguna, no one cares anymore. And no one has time for your attitude on this game. You have idle threats and vague gestures at some kind of special power over the game - then whenever someone mentions it you deny both it and saying anything of the sort. Of all the "vets" I met when I was beginning you were always the least helpful on all but the most basic knowledge. You are pompous, arrogant, conceited, and moreover deluded in your conception that RL values somehow map on to a game. But it's good to see you have a fighting side nonetheless, even if the initial salvo is somewhat.... flaccid. edit: And I should clarify. Person-to-person, you are normally enjoyable, but whenever it comes to SC you are - and moreover act like - a spoiled brat, as far as I can tell because everyone won't go along with your way of playing.
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| Wednesday, July 1, 2009 - 05:58 pm Yeah, life sucks. But I'm glad no one cares. But before I start shooting insults, I would check to see if those insults don't apply to me. As people become more pompous, arrogant, conceited, and moreover deluded here, I will become more pompous, arrogant, conceited, and moreover deluded towards them. You reap what you sow. As for what powers I have or don't have on the game, it really isn't my fault if I'm on a limbo.
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| Wednesday, July 1, 2009 - 06:23 pm "Rubber & Glue" is so elementary school... There was a time, when I was a younger player, that I'll freely admit I acted in all of those ways. You might remember it as the time when Pink nuked the crap out of you (albeit using a bug, yes.) I'll also admit the face I present hasn't always been nice, even all the way up till present; however, I've never attempted to overtly impose my ideas about this game on others. You however, are marked by this and another crusade in recent memory. I've shared knowledge all the way up to specific non-public tactics on both war and economy with most who ask. Where Dave, Treasurer, and DGoE left off, I continue to share the knowledge when people ask me. When people ask me how to fight, I give them the effective tactics that will win wars and how to do it, as long as I've seen someone else do it. I even told KH what would make good garrisons (and what MY garrisons were), as well as how to roughly estimate attacker/defender losses based on the info in the war docs... not long before we fought, even though I knew it was going to happen. He didn't take my advice, btw. He should have; I would have lost more. I'm temperamental, fickle, and prone to outbursts at stupidity - and I'll admit there are days when SC is the way I express my thwarted or subverted will to power. Nevertheless, I don't pretend that I'm better than anyone else, or above anyone in this game. Experience? Knowledge? Yes, but there is nothing that I have done that other people cannot do provided they are told how and are willing to take the time. They actually don't have to be told how, they just need to learn to read the numbers and then look at my countries. I've defended you, been on your side, and even secretly held off attacks on you or redirected them before. Yet you persist in dictating how others play the game. You did it to Vicious, you did it to EO, now you are doing it to me. I'm not the only player who feels this way even if I'm the only one who will voice it on the forum. And no, it's not simply newer players or my in-game allies. I've watched you do your thing with the raiding and grabbing C3s the past month. My philanthropy and character is not the issue: rather, it is your inability to accept anyone playing the game in any other way than what you see fit.
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| Wednesday, July 1, 2009 - 06:23 pm "But before I start shooting insults, I would check to see if those insults don't apply to me. As people become more pompous, arrogant, conceited, and moreover deluded here, I will become more pompous, arrogant, conceited, and moreover deluded towards them. You reap what you sow. " So where exactly do you get your claim that you are a "guardian" of the game and seem to claim moral superiority over the rest of us "selfish" players?
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| Wednesday, July 1, 2009 - 06:53 pm I never liked using the same pronoun for the the second person of the singular and for the plural. It confuses interpretation. I can't be marked by anything, as I can't recall much from the past here or anywhere. I didn't even remembered I was nuked. This has nothing to do with past things, but with current things. Circumstances are judged at the light of their time, not before or after. I'm not attacking you because... you are "temperamental, fickle, and prone to outbursts at stupidity" or because I'm '"dictating how others play the game". If you read my post, you'll see I'm attacking you for a matter of courtesy. You stayed to fight, and I'm honoring that request. If did dictate my will unto others, you and some others would have been de facto banned from the game in April. However, I changed my mind, and gave you all a chance. Even more, if I did dictate my will, I would have banned many players while I still had all of my Moderator powers. Yet, I didn't. Vicious was a pompous moron, who only cared about his simbucks and his butt. Had he not tried to extort Brince Falcon and mind his own business, I would have ignored him. EO was ridding on a fad that was really damaging the game. Consequences seen today with less posters. It is curious to note, that the idiots that bitch about the lack of new players, are the same that drive them out. Sadistic pleasure must be involved.
I too see "guardian", moral superiority and selfish people in "pompous, arrogant, conceited, and moreover deluded". They shine like Christmas lights... I don't need any of the above, to do what I do.
That's funny. It's the same with me. I speak for those who don't in fear, new and old. The difference between you and I, is that listen to everyone and I don't care which faces I'm listening to.
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| Wednesday, July 1, 2009 - 07:19 pm Lets think about that last paragraph... People don't speak against me, because they know they won't get a away with it. I've been aware of this for some years now. The people I speak for, don't speak openly (or at all on the forum) because they wouldn't "get away with it" for what they think or say. As such, does this make sense now:
People message me because they know I'm the only person here who speaks freely and his even-handed. If people were to play nicely, I would have already finished what begun with my modship, and I would be back waging war has I did, in a manner that didn't damage the game. Before that time, this game, as it is, cannot afford to lose players. Try to understand why I don't wage war nowhere frequently. The design of the game is self-destructive. As I don't wish kill it, I refrain from pushing the wrong buttons. From my point of view, it only makes sense.
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| Wednesday, July 1, 2009 - 07:31 pm I only stayed because there was nothing else to do with cashout disabled. Don't think I stayed for you. 1. And anyone who fears in a game needs to stop playing because they're taking it too serious. 2. To think I'm a guardian of anything but my own interests is absurd 3. I haven't driven a new player off in ages. What drives players off is them being told the game is one thing, simply because they're not on FB. All players need to be educated on the different aspects of the game - even if you don't want to learn how to wage full scale war, you should know how to mount a decent defense. If you don't want to do that, play SimCity, not Simcountry. Or play an enterprise. Or play as a secure mode only. Or play all in WP. This feeds back into point one: if there are power-wielding warmongers that other players fear, then those players should assert themselves and become strong themselves. Despite what we say, LDI doesn't just randomly kill new players or anyone that passes a certain "level." You should know better than anyone not to believe people's propaganda. But instead, the player community has been spoonfed BS and the majority of them can't wipe their own butts when it comes to defense. You, Laguna, perpetuate this problem. W3C makes it worse by offering a sub-par product so that we DON'T get influxes of new players with enough volume to make people want to test out different ways of doing things or exploring the game more thoroughly. But, may I submit as evidence that it's perfectly ok for people to become powerful, talented player: EO and fed. Oh, and don't think I didn't have plans to attack them. I had many plans drawn up at different times, and EO knows this. But the game is better with them around. SNA would have been great if its leadership didn't fall apart and the fed crumble into inactives, because SNA was actually on the way to training its members. Valde/TF was and always had been week, with the only player besides yourself with any war experience being Dub. How are Valde's numbers looking these days, btw? I'm through with this, though. The sheer absurdity of people in this game can be boggling. No one "fears" another person when it's a group of people sitting around a RISK board. I suggest that anyone living in fear of another player try growing up instead. You are a symptom of a much larger problem, Laguna; however, apparently a major symptom. It would be my pleasure to amputate if you ever really to want to "honor" my *desire* to fight and throw it all on the line. I requested nothing, however. Edit: Huh. That does actually make sense. I'll think about that. edit2: I don't ninja-edit except for typoes, so I'm leaving everything I wrote before reading Laguna's second post.
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| Wednesday, July 1, 2009 - 07:35 pm Okay, lets consider this hypothetical "playing nicely." Can you define what you mean by that?
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| Wednesday, July 1, 2009 - 07:47 pm Please Laguna, do not try to claim that you understand my motives, and that I was "riding a fad." My point in messaging you back then was you were clearly being hypocritical. I have always considered the war part of the game most fun, and you didn't seem to mind my raiding for 6 months until you needed someone to make an example out of. Note: I also do not attack "New Players." I have my own motivations that may not be up to your "high standards," but when you have infinite resources in real life and in game, game cash, and population, its easy to call other players out for raiding. Finally: I firmly believe SNA was much better for the game than Valde ever was during my time on LU. SNA ACTIVELY recruited new members regardless of skill level and taught many basics of the game. There have been no other federations who have maintained so many new players and taught so many the essentials of the game. I can safely say this because for a while, over half the players in the "president's stats," and over half of the top 20 ranked players 'score-wise' were in SNA. I do not claim that it was a strong federation or that there were not other good federations. I am just tired of you thinking no one but yourself works at keeping this game alive, and you using the people YOU disagree with as scapegoats for your claims, whether your claims are true or not. If you want to get more new players to stay, why don't you actually help teach a couple?
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| Wednesday, July 1, 2009 - 08:13 pm Lol, I gave a new player a 67mil country with 15T cash and 50T mil assets for 50 coins in the past week. edit: and don't forget whose fed Stu was in... who drove all sorts of players out of NLUO who weren't involved with Hezzy other than that, or didn't know better. That whole affair really bothered me, to the point of setting up a puppet to even the scales in the Hezzy persecution. Alas, Stu quit shortly thereafter. And the GMs knew about my puppet, and were fine with it for that purpose.
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| Wednesday, July 1, 2009 - 09:04 pm LDI stands with wild. lg your and your feds time has come to an end! LDI Minister of Peace jason
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| Wednesday, July 1, 2009 - 09:14 pm One thing is how things should be, another is how they are. In here, in Simcountry, because it has become an amalgam of semi-thoughts, processes and systems on a very old and outdate framework, not all things not work as they should. Among those things lies the web of consequences of... well, playing, which is somewhat expected, as W3C tends to overlook it. As result, yes, some people are afraid to speak, because, as they say, "the game is stuffed with morons and I've paid real money". Little hope in mind to mount an offensive on a "game stuffed with morons" and stay in one likewise. In RISK, you can play with who you want and for free. At any time, you can leave and lose nothing. However, here, you can't leave as simply as that. Look at your very own case, Wildeyes, you stayed to cash out. It is only normal that players would want to do the same at a time of their own choosing. Also there are players who paid to play, who are, shortly after, attacked and lose most of their assets. To play again or regain the money and time lost, they'll have to pay yet again, which I don't find surprising they refuse to do so. If you ask for more new players, then treat them nicely. You can't just throw the blame at the game or at the other player, wash your hands and leave it at that. So:
Oh? It's only up to me to teach everyone how to play the game again? I see I won't be able to live my real life. Maybe, if I take those pills again... It's kinda funny how people expect certain things from me, accuse me of not accomplishing them, and when I do accomplish them, the same people say I'm "pompous, arrogant, conceited, and moreover deluded". It's a beautiful work of confounded logic. You know, Wildeyes, it wouldn't have killed you to write a message saying you didn't want to war me in July. Although, I didn't exactly say I would be waiting for July, you do know I make question of keeping my compromisses. If you don't want to war me now, I'm fine by that. However, I doubt you'll refrain from nuking players like Princess Akasha in the future. Ares, you are a new player. You simply have no idea the scores of players I've helped long before you joined. There is no question I've helped more players than anyone else to date. Do you think the Gamemaster just looked at me and thought "Seems like we have a girl on the bunch! Reel her in!"? The two persons that come close on the same amount of players I've helped, at a personal level, are Calloe Wolf and Matt C. Honorable mention to John Fire and TattoedPriest for the websites. Even today, for as little as I post, I only see me and Jonni answering most of the question on the board. And I still help several playes in-game. Not to mention the regular contacts I have with former players. So, that comment, along with your post is just an altar to ignorance. In six months, you only raided inactive players. Any partcular reason for choosing an active player at that spefic time. I still have the messages you sent me. You want me to post them? You really have no idea how new to the game you are, don't you? Valde was already well estabelished when SNA was created. And before we were estabelished, I helped more players than there we in SNA. For Valde to keep on growing, would be suicide, like SNA came to know. There are unvoidable, invinsable limits to size, for as much many would wish to believe otherwise. I just can't be here forever and dedicate life to this game like you people do.
If only I had a precise number of the amount of good countries I've sold for 50GCs to new players...
My time ended two years ago. Summer of 2007. Shortly after that I've been working with SC's staff on several matters. If you are referring to this time, it is not up to you to decide when it ends. Refrain from making stupid comments, specially when you can't back them up.
Lol? You do know I only pay for membership and nothing else, don't you?
Too tired to answer that now. Will leave it for later. But basically, it is a matter of compensating the poor design of the game.
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| Wednesday, July 1, 2009 - 09:18 pm What a drag..
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| Wednesday, July 1, 2009 - 10:28 pm Ahh, fuck. I think lg might be right. Just wanted to post that publicly before I went to IRC. I'll clarify later...
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| Wednesday, July 1, 2009 - 10:34 pm About Akasha: I didn't mean to take her country. I accidentally hit the button out of habit. I reached out afterward... in my own way... and she didn't exactly make me feel sorry for my mistake.
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| Wednesday, July 1, 2009 - 11:54 pm Akasha? meh blow her she bid she died.
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| Thursday, July 2, 2009 - 12:04 am First, let me point upwards to when you said "Circumstances are judged at the light of their time, not before or after. " I do not care how many players you helped before I found simcountry, and it doesn't affect new players now that you are still friends with people like Leen and Xavi. Congratulations Laguna, most of the players you've helped are gone and have NO impact on the game any more. I do not question your impact on the game, as you are CLEARLY one of the greatest players to play this game. The issue I have with what you are saying has nothing to do with your capabilities. I know TattooedPriest and John Fire, and consider myself friends with both (and Priest the reason why I decided to pay for simcountry). What they were that you are not is approachable. Its great that you tell someone how to airdrop a unit from time to time, but the reason most people stay in the game long-term is the contacts they meet. In my 6 months of raiding before our war, I did raid many inactives, but Chuck Steak was not anywhere near the first active I raided. He was just the first to make a big deal out of it on the forum. The entire reason 3m ever attacked me (and I asked you to help me with them) was because I was infringing on their raiding grounds and moving quickly. I do not pretend to believe SNA had a chance of lasting given its size, but the idea behind SNA is much better than Valde's "we're veterans, we get our way, what we say goes, everyone needs to listen to us" approach. Valde, apart from Martock, does not reach out to new players and did not do so in the last year (since I started playing) in a manner that comes close to what SNA did. Finally, I am tired of your pretending that you have never been wrong, could never be wrong, and that because I'm "a new player" that my opinion could not possibly have any truth in it. I have played this game long enough to know who is who, and during that time, you have been far from the most helpful player. If you wish to bring my personal life to the forums, by all means, do so. It does not change anything that I have said here.
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| Thursday, July 2, 2009 - 12:54 am I'll be patient and explain. In July or June of 2007, I ceased to play. Still logged in, talked with people, but I reduced my participation and I hardly ever since did maintenance on my account. The only thing in my interest since then was my job has a moderator, a plan to fix Simcountry and later on the war engine when it was introduced. From that moment on, you will do best to assume I quite simply ceased to be a player. My time from there on, was passed. Plus, to be a moderator I had to maintain a certain distance from every player to avoid bias. You were attacked after my entire account went into War Protection in the beginning of February. Understand that it went into WP, because I have a busy life out of here, and for some months on, it takes a real lot out of me to war here. Also, I only read your message three days after you sent it. Had you sent to my account, instead of my country, I would have read it before. I noticed Bobo and others were already helping you, so I went after some people that were in 3M but didn't had the tag saying so. You people still needed my help to beat them off? Weren't there enough players already? Don't compare your situation to Chuck Steaks. You were on FB to raid inactives. Chuck played on LU for a long time and he was happy as he was. Had he not found support in the game, he would most likely have left. You only judge what you know, but you obviously don't know everything. I, and other players in Valde, help players in-game. Curiously enough, Valde is the only fed in the game that does not help players and at the same time aliciantes them to join the fed. The players can decide on their own without pressure from our side. I don't recall every emitting a document stating Laguna Infalability. I've some made mistakes, and with time came to regret some, and others not so much. I don't see how that weaves with this topic however. You emit judgments as if you knew me, but you started playing after *I* left. Point stands: I've been the most helpful player for the game. Maybe not to you, but you already had the help of the players in SNA. Helping you when you were already being helped, with other new players unattended seems like a waste of resources. The same applies for others who I knew were already being helped. Who brought real life into this?
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| Thursday, July 2, 2009 - 01:02 am Laguna, I was one of the two players who ran SNA. I am not comparing my situation to Chucks whatsoever, I just am stating that it was the first time you noticed that I raided players. I am not complaining that you didn't help me against 3ms. I again was just pointing out that others obviously noticed my raiding far before you did. If you do not "play" this game any more. Perhaps you could try to help it by working for the sc staff instead of trying to "move to wipe out" players. AND Again, I do not care what you did before I started playing, just as players who are new today do not care. Your impact on the game is large, your influence on whether people stay any more is virtually non-existant. I am glad you say Valde helps players, but the truth is, Valde is you, Martock, and Michael that are anywhere near active and long-tenured players. It is and was quite clear that SNA was a fed dedicated to recruiting (yes recruiting) and developing (and it did develop many) players, and our private forum had upwards of 30 posts a day in its prime. While its time may have passed, so too has your time as being "the most helpful" in game.
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| Thursday, July 2, 2009 - 01:21 am what this shows us all is that you and your fed can not be trusted to keep its word. my time is short atm, but know that you now face all of LDI. the the war will not end till you come to talk to me, LDI's Minister of Peace! have fun getting gang banged. LDI Minister of Peace jason
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| Thursday, July 2, 2009 - 01:39 am I must be hearing an echo. Me: "My time from there on, was passed." Echo: "While its time may have passed, so too has your time" Me: "If people were to play nicely, I would have already finished what begun with my modship" Echo: "working for the sc staff" Wipping out the right players and helping the game, at the moment, are synonyms. Otherwise, I wouldn't be doing this. Jason, rest assured, that you will be gone from the game one way or another, and there was nothing you could do to avoid it. Also, in case you haven't noticed, this isn't "Laguna & and his fed". This is just Laguna and whoever wishes to join.
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| Thursday, July 2, 2009 - 01:58 am oh come get some. you and your boys couldn't handle even EO and wild let alone all of us. LMFAO
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| Thursday, July 2, 2009 - 01:59 am So you're working for the game to eliminate its customers? Makes sense to me. Yes your time has passed. Do not claim to be the most helpful player in the game. Do not claim you know the daily war declarations that go on. How do you hope to maintain the health of the game when it needs to be periodically cleansed of players (albeit many of the best ones)? Work harder on the framework.
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Thursday, July 2, 2009 - 02:27 am
Counting from the beginning to the end, I can make that claim without any trouble. Counting in the present, I can't and I don't. Seems like you have a little trauma there, Ares. When the customers damage the merchandise for the next guy, it makes perfect sense to tell them no. And it is pointless to improve the game and bring new players, when they'll leave because of you people. You will have to change first.
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| Thursday, July 2, 2009 - 02:40 am lol. So people never had wars before? My last raid on an active player was Chuck Steak. There was a complete lack of war of any kind, and now there is not. Sometimes it takes a spark Laguna. And no, I was not "damaging merchandise." I was playing the game within its rules and limits. If simcountry does not want players to attack each other, they can remove war from the game. Don't give me that BS argument.
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| Thursday, July 2, 2009 - 03:07 am You must stop assuming I'm speaking to just one person at all times. That's right, I'm speaking to you right there, in front of your screen. CustomerS. CustomerS. Collective action. [Insert sad story about people taking stuff from wild preserves.] It actually fits nicely, since new players are an endangered species.
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| Thursday, July 2, 2009 - 03:12 am You are Laguna. 4 of your last 5 quotes were from what I've said. I'm done talking to you Laguna. War is a part of the game. Fearless Blue is not the answer. You having knowledge, influence because of your tenure, and great skill, but that does not give you the right to run the game. It is pointless to play a game run by the owner or someone with the authority to tweak what they don't like. You, not us, is ruining the game Laguna.
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| Thursday, July 2, 2009 - 03:21 am Let us consider a premise... this premise is that "no one wants SC to die," it then follow from this that "everyone wants what is best for the game" to be more or less true as well. Considering these two premises, it is logical to conclude that there is some room to compromise, and I will start by apologizing for airing my dirty laundry in public. In exchange for this, I hope Laguna will allow me to explain to him why I interpreted certain things as I did. Next, I do not think SC would benefit in any way from either Laguna or myself being wiped out, nor the collateral damage that would ensue from peripheral parties, nor would either the time of Laguna or myself be served best this way. Don't get me wrong, I would love to do this some time, but not this way. May was different. May was supposed to spark something, and in certain ways it did, although the effects have been mixed. Finally, Laguna and I have decidedly different stances on how to breathe life into the game, but we both agree that running new players off is not one of them. I think this is another common ground, and should be a place that we can talk. As for this, I'm leaving the ball in Laguna's court, and he replied to me in IRC that he only wished for the "situation [with newer players] to be resolved." I think that's the more important issue. It takes a lot for me to abandon an aloof standpoint and start leveling accusations of this and that, and I think it shows two things: firstly how widely Laguna and I differ in opinion on how things ought to be done, but second and more importantly, the persistent feeling that this could be a really good game but it just keeps missing its potential. So, for all this, I withdraw my harsh words and I apologize. I still admit that Laguna and I have some very divergent ideas, but that I would like to explore them. And perhaps some day when the greater problem of the game is fixed we can arrange a fun time with each other.
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| Thursday, July 2, 2009 - 03:27 am Although... lines like "Jason, rest assured, that you will be gone from the game one way or another, and there was nothing you could do to avoid it. " were/are a big part of my problem, Laguna... If anything along those lines happens from an in-game angle then hands are kind of tied in the matter... Edit: Actually, an except from what I said in an MSN convo to anonymous parties WildEyes says: i know i agree xxxxxxxx i'm just stepping back from the crucifixion/lynching to see if maybe there isn't some sort of middleground.... the goal is the same. Our beliefs about how to get there are different. Lets not act like republicans and democrats
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| Thursday, July 2, 2009 - 04:24 am "Jason, rest assured, that you will be gone from the game one way or another, and there was nothing you could do to avoid it. " I was not involved in the last war against you, however the choice is yours how I play this one. LDI Minister of Peace jason
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| Thursday, July 2, 2009 - 06:03 pm I'm very tired of the eternal mediocrity this game is fated due to its community's and self-destructive design. The game can only grow, if it corrects the design and the community becomes more receptive and amiable. That second requirement doesn't seem to strike a chord on anyone. It should and with good reason. As I look around, I can't believe Simcountry has been around for 8 years. Being tired of this constant mediocrity and moved by the messages players sent me, I decided to do something about. Eliminating those that perpetuate the social stigma is a medium term band-aid. It also allows the development of the game in peace as well. If you, Wildeyes, understand that part of Simcountry's problem, good. It's one less player that enlarges a problem. Consequently, I have no reason to eliminate you. Thank you for your apologies, but I don't take anything here personally. I know why you said some of those things and they were said with good reason. Jason doesn't seem to understand. What do you say, Wildeyes? Does he understand or not? "Lines like "Jason, rest assured, that you will be gone from the game one way or another, and there was nothing you could do to avoid it. " were/are a big part of my problem, Laguna..." Like I said: You reap what you sow. If people insist on being assholes, they will be treated like assholes. Once they stop being assholes, those lines will be no more.
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| Thursday, July 2, 2009 - 08:56 pm it looks like lg don't when to stfu. hmmm
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| Friday, July 3, 2009 - 02:37 am your right lg your are an asshole.
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| Friday, July 3, 2009 - 02:45 am I grow tired of the outrageous pomposity of examining an online game and finding fault with the actions or morality of its players. Morality has no place in this arena. I play within the rules and as I see fit. As do the others you are childishly threatening. Stop dictating the terms of others enjoyment like a petty internet theocrat. If my only choices are listening to your endless bullshit and kissing your ass or taking everything you own on SC through brutal warfare.... Sign me up for elimination..... Puto. /me spits on floor
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| Friday, July 3, 2009 - 02:52 am you got a big mouth and not much to back it up lg. come out of wp and I'll be glad to fight you. I have all next week off work. 
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| Friday, July 3, 2009 - 03:46 am Parsing the difference in the views of Jean-Luc Marion and Jacques Derrida on whether or not Pseudo-Dionysius's Mystical Theology provides an adequate "third way" out of the kataphatic-apophatic binary is more important than any of this right now... That's about where I am with this... I just have three things to say: 1. If there is some great ban stick coming down from above it should just happen already. Sort of a "put up or shut up" thing. If it lands on me I'll consider it a moral victory, look back at the fun I did manage to have on this game, and then look forward at all the free time I will have to consider things like I wrote above. 2. Laguna, there is no sport in noobs, with the exception of an odd Akasha who happens to be in the wrong place at the wrong time (although I did mention her case went awry and was intended to be much less severe). You know this, and you know that the challenge is my shtick. Why should I be interested in hunting noobs? If anyone is interested, I do have one theory that I can sketch out. It concerns how the community that has misinterpreted certain things (such as LDI actions) as anti-noob and in the attempt to emulate have gotten it wrong. I'm sure you'll find much of the noob-wrangling these days is not LDI's. If you'd like, LDI can take it upon ourselves to punish the community for falling into heresy before the Pinktator and turning from the truth of his wisdom for the veneer of his swagger. 3. My approach has always been evolution through competition. More often than not, when I poke in the game it is to prove whatever I am poking. Such was the case with SNA. The viable part of the fed re-formed into NV-LU. If you, Laguna, see the destructive side of this, I won't argue with that. However, you mentioned you don't deny the place of war in this game. When I said to think of a constructive direction for my natural disposition, I mean think of a way I can use conflict to keep things alive and changing. However, the game design makes it so neither warmongers nor peaceful players can be satisfied, for reasons that are plentiful and more than obvious to anyone who sits down and thinks about it. So many other things, but really not important. Bottom line, at least between myself and Laguna is... If it's about the future of the game, we're in the same book, just different pages. If it's about April, I can't really complain about a counter-attack (even though I wouldn't call a 40-country setup +WP 'courtesy' when I removed my weapons and staging points from VB like I said I would). If it's about people not acting nice then I made my apologies and can't speak for anyone else, but I stand with my in-game alliances.
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| Friday, July 3, 2009 - 10:13 am why does it always have to be 'you people this' 'you people that' Laguna? If you really really truly care about this game so wholeheartedly as you make it sound you seriously need to get a life. You also should stop sounding like you are just the best thing to ever happen to this game, I don't deny you are extremely knowledgeable but comeon....you shit has got to stink at least a little bit and there are others who have been very helpful to this game besides yourself. I like playing too as should be obvious by the length of time I've spent here but really in the grand scheme of my life does this game matter? No, its a game. I'll play it how I want, I'm going to destroy active players sometimes, help some new people, raid people who hostile bid, and run a crappy half assed empire like I always have and dammit its gonna be amusing. Thats all this is right, amusement, not some sort of personal holy crusade to show others the way things ought to be? Maybe I'm way off...maybe its the beer speaking...if I'm way off I apologize. Maybe I ought to stick to only 5 words.
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| Friday, July 3, 2009 - 10:27 am I like the 5-6 words my self. lol but you are right lg is very off and it will cost him big time.
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| Friday, July 3, 2009 - 04:33 pm 1. To know where everyone stands and what everyone thinks is one of objective. Giving choice and allow others to retribute favors, as well. After that, yes. 2. I never said you should only hunt n00bs. For a matter of fact, I never told you what to do. 3. Your approach of war is incomplete, as war doesn't begin with it's declaration, nor does it end when the game says it does. Leaving it in a limbo, doesn't help. No, this is not about April. If it was, I would have stated so. Yes, Aaron, you are mistaken. But from your point of view, if I want to exterminate some players, what is exactly is the problem with that?
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| Friday, July 3, 2009 - 05:19 pm I agree fully. I am considering exterminating you.
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| Saturday, July 4, 2009 - 09:33 am yes sam I think its time for lg to die.
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| Saturday, July 4, 2009 - 12:07 pm I'm hearing a lot of noise generated by functional illiteracy.
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| Saturday, July 4, 2009 - 08:45 pm /me kicks Laguna square in the crotch. That should improve your hearing. Now on to other issues. Post your grievances or drop WP.
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| Saturday, July 4, 2009 - 11:50 pm I'm actually waiting that you come out of war protection.
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| Sunday, July 5, 2009 - 04:19 am I will pass on your pathetic C3 montage. Thanks but no. Bring out the ones that matter and I will be interested. I want less Laguna not an inactive/C3 war.
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| Sunday, July 5, 2009 - 02:01 pm The longer you two stay in war protection... Your choice. To reach me, you'll have to get past the C3s.
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| Sunday, July 5, 2009 - 04:12 pm Laguna, just sit back and look at what you have become. I can think of no greater torment for you. I know you will tell me that I've got this all wrong, but you needn't worry - I know better. You have become the grand hypocrite. You threaten to see people removed from the game for not playing it the way that you/W3 want them to play, because they are making war on the nasty little noobs who do not play this game the way they want them to play. You have to admire the cyclic irony of it all. Its a shame you've descended to such a low. But then, I've seen this change in you happening for quite some time. I won't be taking sides in this war - I fear I know more about it all than I ought to. But I just want you to know that it saddens me to see you reduced to this level. And I am sorry that it has come to this. I am so very, very sorry my friend.
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| Sunday, July 5, 2009 - 05:29 pm Good to know someone else noticed the irony of this travesty. Others, however, don't recognize it, reject it, or aren't honest about it. That, however, doesn't pose as a problem to me. I don't have a problem with forbidding actions and behaviors that damage the game, and do so systematically, accurately and openly. Otherwise, why even complain about multiplaying, extortion, abuse, spam? When others say they won't allow having their freedom restricted, and in the next minute begin restricting others in a very active way, then that makes them grand hypocrites. And you have all missed this quite a few times, perhaps blinded by exasperation, but this isn't about me, Valde or W3C. This is about half the community and a little more that is tired of the rampant behavior. Do you have not a word for them? Don't live in fear, make a stand? Well, Sam, Jason, why don't you bring your warhorses out of War Protection, so I can show them that even a player, using only C3s, can make an effective and successful stand. You are not the only one who has seen people change, Klarina. I remember how you were three years ago. Care to sit back and think about it? I would say that you took a path parallel to mine in some points, but largely differentiating in destination. The most common element of both paths is a large dose of indifference. It was through indifference and inaction things grew as they grew. I'm just not indifferent anymore. Still very lazy, though.
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| Sunday, July 5, 2009 - 06:22 pm No. Lance of Abaddon. Lance of Dubhthaigh. Lance of Longinus. Lance of Nyx. Lance of Oceanus. When you risk these I will be more than happy to take them from you. Thus I reduce your self-assumed theocratic sim-power on LU at least and have won a tangible victory for freedom to play a game as the player sees fit. Otherwise here is a pointy stick. Use it on your various orifices.
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| Sunday, July 5, 2009 - 06:30 pm I don't deny being indifferent, Laguna. To most things, at least, though not all - some things do get me riled, and some things do sadden me. Such as this situation. What I have grown indifferent to is the behaviour of W3 and yourself. It has not gone unnoticed that there is a huge degree of elitism in this game, and it exists in two forms. W3 clearly have their favourites - those who they wish to prosper, and those who they wish to punish. Only a fool would deny this - we see it in every move they make, every change they force down our throats and evey single time they defend their position or espouse their own indifference towards the detriment they cause. At the same time, the playerbase shows much the same thing. There are tiers of players - levels of respect differentiated by skill, which stratify the playerbase and determine directly the attitudes expressed between one layer of this system and the next. You will see this in any online game. The former is a symptom of the game owners tiring of the latter, and acting aggressively against it, making moves which reduce the playerbase's ability to enforce their will or defend it - the very nature of the 'fun' aspect of any game - in effect punishing those who wish to excell. The trouble is, this attitude from the GMs only serves to increase the void between each stratum, making the situation worse as they disenfranchise and alienate their would-be loyal, long-term playerbase. W3 have never fully grasped that recruiting new players is easier if you don't then alienate any and all that would go on to be successful - a happy playerbase will do all the recruiting the game needs, provided that the game is worth it. A happy playerbase invests more in a game, which, ultimately, ought to be what W3 seek from us. And in acting as they have, W3 have created a hostile group of expert gamers who find themselves with no other way to vent their frustrations than to attack those whom the GMs cast a favourable light on - the ever-irritating, invulnerable twink of a noob. The flavour of such actions grows bitter after such lengths of time. And now, on top of all that, it has finally reached the point where they/you threaten players with being banned if they do not conform as desired. I'm sorry, but we have a very apt word for that: Fascism. [fash-iz-uhm] -noun A system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism. The way that W3 discriminate against the playerbase is nothing short of a racist attitude, race in this case being a synonym of skill. They openly suppress opposition to their views, and criticism thereof. They have never been backwards in doing so. I know you see this in the game, Laguna. That is why you are behaving as you are. And it is also why the others behave as they do. A conflict between the veterans of this game and the player who was the visible face of W3 enforcement has been, in my view, inevitable. I'm simply surprised it took so long. What saddens me is that somebody who would claim to have been the most helpful player in the game (rightly or wrongly) ever would support such GM elitism. What upsets me the most is that it is you, of all people. My sympathies, Laguna, and my deepest, most sincere regrets.
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| Sunday, July 5, 2009 - 06:32 pm Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Why for are ewe guys picking on Laguna? 
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| Monday, July 6, 2009 - 03:02 am Come on guys, lets all be friends and share the cookies i bought today. Plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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| Monday, July 6, 2009 - 03:52 am The juciest thread EVER!!! That said, I've been gone too long . . . EO, Sam, Jason, Wild <<(Especially) I Luuv you guys . . . "Also, in case you haven't noticed, this isn't "Laguna & and his fed". This is just Laguna and whoever wishes to join." /ME ME ME Raises hand I cant phathom how many times I have said it, But me Luuvs ma LG Count me in for kicks if anything Laggy Call me a preservationist. No hard feelinz to anyone, its just a game. I'll welcome myself back. I've had a long nap. The High Profite$$ has Returned <=====(for all Laggy haters)Muahahhaaaaaa
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| Monday, July 6, 2009 - 04:52 am Im coming back! Hey LG, need a hand dude??? Hey Wendy, Jason, Wild, Sam......good to see you all again
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| Monday, July 6, 2009 - 05:02 am The logical solution to deal with players not playing "right" would be to set up each world to fit different play styles. The different worlds have naturally evolved towards this already, just carry it farther. Here is a few rough ideals, of course other adjustments will be needed to balance them out completely. In other words, instead of one SC game on different worlds with a few tweaks, make it 4 to 5 different games of a sort. WG - peaceful, economic driven already. Make it war between players by mutual consent only, no hostile bids, etc... FB - war world with a poor economy. Make military cheaper and not cost as much to lose countries. Make the economy less important to build up. LU - fastest pace, most money to be made, highest risk for war, obviously the most popular world, leave it as is - aggressive. GR - mixed world KB - mixed world (might make a Fed-free world, could be interesting)
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| Monday, July 6, 2009 - 05:28 am Get lost n00b...
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| Monday, July 6, 2009 - 06:28 am Hello
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| Monday, July 6, 2009 - 09:05 am fight a stand up fight or leave lu lg.
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| Monday, July 6, 2009 - 07:00 pm Gamemaster to me show details 8:30 AM (4 hours ago) Reply Follow up message Hi, We get many complaints about wars against new players. Stop please or wars will be prohibited for you on all the worlds. The gamemaster
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| Monday, July 6, 2009 - 07:02 pm Good to see the invisible ban-stick finally became visible. I emailed asking for further clarification on what they want. I wonder if that means I can't start wars on FB either... if not I suppose I'll have to finally "take it to the war world."
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| Monday, July 6, 2009 - 07:04 pm If players do not like wars, perhaps they ought to play a game in which war is not a feature - or invest more heavily in war protection.
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| Monday, July 6, 2009 - 07:08 pm You'd think I was the scourge of noobs and single them out as targets or something... which really doesn't happen. I am assuming, until I get a reply with clarification, that the message really just means "stop killing everyone." More like a moratorium on starting wars in general for me... that sort of thing.
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| Monday, July 6, 2009 - 07:10 pm the game without war wouldn't be a good game, there may be other solutions to solve this problem.
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| Monday, July 6, 2009 - 07:26 pm Like everybody just kickin mucho ARSE!!!! sounds good to me Alariach
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| Monday, July 6, 2009 - 07:28 pm OOOooo Oooooo . . . I got one up to >>>>3>>3<<<< secured countries per world Now that is just awesome . . .
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| Monday, July 6, 2009 - 07:43 pm I remember some point hearing that while The Gods and Devils may influence you, they are happy with influence, and leaving free will intact. . . Good guys need to be good guys if this is the case. New players need to be protected, on LU there is Govt. As a new player, I was attacked by LDI. I found a way to deter their actions. . . and the game changed. Now that I am not new, I chose to help Laguna. Not to name LG particularly, BUT the LG "types" of the game need share their war knowledge more freely. If for unspoken common sense reasons they don't want to share this knowledge so "new" players can protect themselves. . . The LG "types" in the game should actively preserve their game environment. And the "me(s)[corny I know ]" . . . need join the LG(s) in actively keeping the "LDI(s)" busy. The Gods ultimately win, but less direct intervention is good for the community This kind of public spectacle isn't good for the new ignorant sim presidents. It leads to rumors of conspiracy and dabbling that isn't conducive (from what I have read here. . . please no ban me) to keeping the stigma of GM interference down. Players should have this kind of assurance that this won't happen. Otherwise there will be a feeling of no win and no win. Just my two scents
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| Monday, July 6, 2009 - 07:51 pm Shouldn't this sort of issue be more in the domain of the Security Council? Isn't that the idea of a security council? By no means do I profess to have the details worked out, but to give the SC more teeth to control "rogue nations" and so leaving the decision of who, if anyone, is picking on newbs etc. to the player base, not the single mind of the GM, seems to be a better direction than this is heading. Just an aging newbs thoughts :p CraftyCockney
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| Tuesday, July 7, 2009 - 12:33 am Since everyone seems to be here...figured I should write something and find some time to read this long ass thread. Anyways I'd just like to say that I completely agree with Klarina's analysis of the situation and the real cause of the decaying player community. As a player who left, then came back...I think I have some of the most insight into this problem. I left for exactly the reasons Klarina outlined above i.e., the GM. On multiple occasions the GM has made changes that were opposed by the player community. This is something that a gm CANNOT do if they expect to hold their playerbase. All successful companies rely on the theory that satisfying the wants and needs of their customers ultimately satisfies the needs of its owners. The GM's perhaps should follow the saying, "the customer is always right" more closely. This attitude held by the GM pretty much applies to many other problems the GM creates. (Yes...the bad changes they sometimes make are only one of the problems) As for the rumor that LDI, Wild, etc... are responsible for the lack of new players, killing of noobs, etc... I'd just like to say that when I was a new player LDI was a primary reason i remained to play the game as long as i did, and ultimately came back now. When I was new all I asked LDI to accept me into their ranks, and that acceptance didn't take much. All it took was the fact that I hadn't stirred up trouble with anyone. At that stage I was a huge noob, and I am still not the most experienced player. However, my progress can all be attributed to what Sam, Wild, Jason, Pink had all taught me over my time here. Although someone who has not been in LDI or asked to be in it might not realize that what I have said here is true, those who have not done these things will never have an accurate perception. The actions of LDI, albeit may include fighting new players, etc... are all for the entertainment of the members of LDI, not some evil plot to exterminate new players or force them to conform as LG portrays it. I believe that the most endearing quality of LDI, is that its members treat the game indifferently. Let me elaborate on this, since indifference has come up quite often in LG's posts as being negative. Not indifferent in that we don't care about the progress of the quality of the game, etc... etc..., this game is indeed a GAME to us. I think LG and many others have lost this insight although some still hold it. Although LDI and wendy have had their differences, I honestly believe that Wendy is one of those people that has acquired this insight since I have returned. Just look at her posts and you can see that she is having FUN, this is what a GAME is all about. The loss of this insight is one of the reasons for the decay of this GAME. One side word in response to an LG post somewhere above...LG, you are NOT fighting for a majority of the community. Indeed not even a large minority. Just read this thread over one more time and count how many posts support your actions vs. don't support your actions. You will find that over 90% of them denounce what you are doing and have become. You have simply become another GM, fucking up the game for everyone. P.S. sorry for the absurdly long post...I needed to catch up on the excitement.
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| Tuesday, July 7, 2009 - 12:37 am Forgot to mention something... As for Wild's warning...that is completely out of line from the gamemaster. If the GM wants to protect noobs, then give them free war protection. Do not penalize a player for having fun with the game WITHIN THE RULES. You can only penalize players for breaking the rules. So far as I can tell, Wild has not broken any rules. This is an example of the GM's bad attitude. To the GM, take this as a general message from most of the community. You must learn that customers are what makes the game run and give you money. Making them happy should be your primary concern. Stop fucking up the game and being stupid.
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| Tuesday, July 7, 2009 - 12:42 am Well said Slocketer
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| Tuesday, July 7, 2009 - 01:17 am yup I knew lg would pull out that gm card.
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| Tuesday, July 7, 2009 - 02:43 am This is complete and utter bullshit. I still do not understand the reasoning behind this nor do I care to. I understand this. Laguna can not fight. I can whip him easily. How can I fight the GM's as well? I would like to cash out in one lump sum the bullshit way currently takes far too long.
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| Tuesday, July 7, 2009 - 03:15 am no he can't and most of us can kick his ass np. so all he can do is play the gm card in a game thats dead. LMFAO and yes I would like one lump sum cash out .
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| Tuesday, July 7, 2009 - 03:40 am Another step in the wrong direction for the GM's.... oh when will they learn to stop smoking pot over in Amsterdam? Maybe they wouldn't be such dumb fuck faces anymore.... *peeks over at LG* ...guess not anytime soon
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| Tuesday, July 7, 2009 - 04:17 am http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YersIyzsOpc&feature=player_embedded lg after he learned that sc is going to be gone.
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| Tuesday, July 7, 2009 - 04:24 am LMFAO!!!
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| Tuesday, July 7, 2009 - 04:36 am Although I have played for a few months, I still consider myself quite green. I do not know the underlying rifts or the basis for this argument in its entirety either. I can only guess from what I infer in reading the posts. Wildeyes, to be honest, is a mixed bag to me. Although she did go nuke happy on my countries, she did help me out a lot in my first real war. In retrospect, even being nuke happy on my country taught me a few things: 1) This is a game. Players are here to enjoy it (albeit within the confines of the ToS) and the owners need to make some sort of money to continue. 2) There is no such thing as a peaceful world. Anyone is allowed to start a war against anyone. Larger and more experienced players can band together to deter these incidents, but they cannot remove them completely from the game. In the end, I'm grateful for what Wildeyes (and many others, you know who you are, but this is focused on Wildeyes) did to me and for me. I'll remain ignorant on the other issues (ie - GM - customer satisfaction etc) for now. But to say Wildeyes drives away new players, I think is oversimplifing or generalizing the situation. When I signed up on the old interface, there used to be disclaimers that not all worlds were peaceful. Old and new players should have taken heed of that warning. I joined LU and was wrongly told that IF I was an economic player and peaceful, I wouldn't be attacked nor would I have to attack. I took that premise to heart although there is NO basis or support for such a statement. Nowhere in the manual, nowhere in the ToS, etc. After the fall of SNA, I was nuked. I had taken the game too seriously and believed all the words of economic player = peaceful and wouldn't be attacked. Now, I look at Wild's initial actions upon me and all beginning players as sifting through wheat. The players who have intentions of remaining and willingness to learn and who do not take the game extremely serious are the seeds that will pass through. The players who leave after any hardships and who would probably leave anyway after they comprehend that the game engine is quite complicated are the chaff. All players should understand that there is a war game element to this game. Deluding them is not the answer. As someone suggested before, if these actions are not to be tolerated (the attacks on new players), create a peaceful server where only wars can be declared on c3 or mutual declaration. This is not a competition to see who's most helpful and who isn't or who's more powerful and who isn't. What I see is this: "Might makes right is wrong, don't pick on weak people." and contrast to this: "I have helped more people than any others so my arguments have more basis." Is that not a twist on the "might makes right"? Take my words worth the pennies they are. I, and a group of friends, also run an online game that we bought from the original owners who were doing something similar to what the current owners of simcountry were doing. Population declined. As soon as ownership changed and we included input from the community (albeit saying that we had final decision :P), our customer base has grown several fold. I think we grew from a 70 playerbase to over 700 right now in less than a year. It could still be the "newness" factor that has boosted the playerbase. But I like to think it's more of including the community's input.
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| Tuesday, July 7, 2009 - 04:57 am I'm disappointed with the gamemasters. Even more than usual.
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| Tuesday, July 7, 2009 - 05:36 am Although a member of LDI I have tried to view this forum as unbiased as possible... With that being said my opinion is that all of this is pure bullshit! Laguna you started this thread claiming you were ready for a war which would take out wild, jason, and sam. That is a legitimate post; however, your threats were empty handed. Instead you got the GM to hand out the threats making yet another war void. If you want to fight why not just fight? After the disbanding of SNA I have only found LDI members very hospitable and all together good people. Wild has helped me economically and in war; Sam and Jason have of course helped me out in the war aspect :P. Also EO aka Beast has been a mentor for me in this game for a long time. Without these people I probably still wouldn't be on this game! I was all over lacerta and they had every right to take me out with everyone else, but instead they gave me the option to join them. They don't fight noobs... If anyone fights noobs its the almighty wendy who seems to defend you! However you don't call her out? I have no problems with wendy, but I think all sides should be shown. If you really want to be your supposed savior laguna tell the GM to lay off and fight sam, jason, and wild without wp. Hail LDI!
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| Tuesday, July 7, 2009 - 11:12 am MmmmmK CF I "GET" it, but by all means I am "Newb" even after a year. I learned by trial and error, so when a n00b gets tonz of advice on how to defend against "Noob crushing Wendy" they quickly surpass almost totally my my trial and error experience. The reason I may seem to win these wars against n00bs, as you say, is because experience is the best teacher. You can have the manual, and still fumble through its pages. Losing despite having all the tools necessary to win. Like fumbling from country page to country page, forgetting to supply adequately, or stock ammo adequately, and list goes on and on. These things I still manage from time to time to forget even though I have fought 200+ wars. Who exactly are n00bs in your book? Laguna Sam Wild Jason Dub Slock Whomever Veritas is Phatz Aqua Stuart Loki I could keep going but my brain hurtz thinking so far back I can name a few n00bs I fought, but I chose them for practical strategic reasons, and was almost 95% of the time at a tactical disadvantage. Outnumbered and undergunned. I never attack with a "real" war slave by anyone's standard. I have proly had only one on LU ever. And I attacked not a single n00b with it. I defended it against an older player under a new alias and lost it being too soft. CF I think you need a spanking. LG doesn't call me out because he Luuvs me, as I do him. Maybe he just is insecure about his feelings and discussing them here with you guys! Look at whats goinz on here right now/ HA CF if it does go down . . . I look forward to putting a nUke up YOUR arse. All pun/fun intended.
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| Tuesday, July 7, 2009 - 05:37 pm I don't need a spanking... You attacked other noobs for no reason such as Maxwell and he left the game. I'm not trying to argue this point, but just pointing out the obvious. You have attacked with a real war slave it was taken by BC (although not a noob) in one of his first real wars! I don't want to fight you wendy but I just feel all sides of the conversation should be noted.
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| Tuesday, July 7, 2009 - 05:54 pm CF Maxwell left of his own accord, after some changes affected him or Forum BS rubbed him the wrong way. He actually "appreciated" our fun times because it allowed him to learn the war engine. Those were his own postings not mine. Get your facts str8 bud. Misrepresenting them could lead well . . . to things rather left unsaid. I'm dissapointed that you have chosen to put me in the crossfire without "knowing" what side you are even speaking about. I had nothing to do with Maxwell leaving. I promote, build, spark interest in this game, or at least aim to. How about you? You slander me? I thought we were kewl homie. Some things will never change.
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| Tuesday, July 7, 2009 - 09:56 pm I consider us cool wendy. My only thing is I just believe all parts of the argument should be shown. I have no problems with you and actually have fun watching your wars, but I thought it should be brought to the table! If I misrepresented your fight with maxwell I apologize, but it was a classic case of fighting a noob. I'm not out to attack anybody, but this problem needs to be ended and without GM interference.
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Tuesday, July 7, 2009 - 11:24 pm
Sounds about right. Hello, Wendy. I've actually been wondering where you have been on and about. At one and another point in this thread, I wonder "What would Wendy say?" Happy to see Wendy would say "me Luuvs ma LG". I believe I've posted a word or two about Russia's economic conversion in the 1990's before. The moral was: Things need to be done in steps. Foundations must be laid and solid before the next phase comes. You don't jump to the end. Here, what should be solid and functional isn't, and it makes difficult to build what is needed. After reading the Game News, I finally understood why he asked about FB and warned Wildeyes specifically. There was another group of players contacting the GM, besides me and those who I forwarded to him. Interesting, but didn't change anything. The war will continue. I'm waiting that Jason and Sam to come out of War protection.
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| Wednesday, July 8, 2009 - 01:16 am "After reading the Game News, I finally understood why he asked about FB and warned Wildeyes specifically. There was another group of players contacting the GM, besides me and those who I forwarded to him. Interesting, but didn't change anything. The war will continue." The hell does that mean?
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| Wednesday, July 8, 2009 - 01:28 am The game news actually makes wild's point even more valid... The fact that the complaints came from the "war" world, are quite ridiculous. You don't want to fight don't fucking play on the war world. Makes sense right? If you are so dumb that you can't think of that yourself, go find games more suited to your intelligence level...i suggest coloring books, they are quite fun. Additionally, there shouldn't be limitations on wild now that they decided they will add a stop the war booster. It is now quite easy to protect yourself. (glad they listened to my post above with that one...)
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| Wednesday, July 8, 2009 - 01:29 am Although, I applaud the GM...this was a step in the right direction.
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| Wednesday, July 8, 2009 - 01:31 am It means "there was another group of players contacting the GM, besides me". The GM doesn't only listen to me, and I don't make it my business to know which messages he got. That's why I thought it was a bit weird only two got warned (and only warned). This has nothing to do with you, Slocketer. You did nothing.
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| Wednesday, July 8, 2009 - 01:37 am To be fair, I'm not "limited" yet. The only limitations on action come from the reprecussions of their unclarified warning... Nevertheless, it's almost as good as an actual restriction. But more to the point: "The hell does that mean?" I'm still waiting on clarification. Perhaps someone could enlighten this lowly soul to the frothing outcries that her tanks merely drowned out.
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| Wednesday, July 8, 2009 - 01:43 am No, now that the GMs have decided to get involved I need to know what I will be allowed to do and not allowed to do with regards to their warning. I need to determine whether it will be worth it for me to continue playing, or if I should just move everything to FB (although that ironically seems to be where the complaints came from?)... or should I find minions to war for me by proxy, using my cash and stockpiles. edit: Maybe if the GMs would actually communicate, and explain themselves and their wishes, instead of just delivering warnings out of the blue... something might get accomplished. W3C really needs to hire a PR person, because they have some major communication issues. Maybe you're not the only person who the GMs listen to, Laguna, but you certainly seem to be the only one who they have a special ear for. The occasions I've spoken with Tommi or Jonni Gil have always been pleasant. Our lofty sim-gods should come down from their ivory towers to grace us plebeians with their wisdom more often.
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| Wednesday, July 8, 2009 - 02:03 am I know I never did anything, but this does have to do with me...in fact, it has to do with everyone in the game. This is not just a thread about people killing noobs, etc... I see it as more of a thread about the causes of decay. However, it especially does apply to me since Wild, Sam, Jason, etc... are all fedmates. That...and I am quite bored, summer means I have lots of spare time on my hands. My point before about the complaints was that although there may be complaints from people other than you, those people are obviously retarded if they complain about frequent wars on a world that, by design, has frequent wars and thus their complaints, although they should be noted and fixed should also be dealt with skepticism. My problem is that the GM's are not fixing these complaints in the right manner in my opinion. Telling Wild that she cannot war any longer is a horrible idea. Not only would this make her leave, but it does not fix the problem for the long term or for other instances. The booster suggested in the game news was a great idea. Perhaps facilitating a move to another world for those on FB that complained would also be a good and more specialized idea. Applying the "stop the war booster" would defeat the purpose of a "war" world.
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| Wednesday, July 8, 2009 - 02:03 am Welcome to "Lance of Oceanus" Easy to start The president was active in the last month. President: Laguna Presidency start date: September 2173 War Protection: Protected until Mar 2456 Lance of Nyx" Easy to start The president was active in the last week. President: Laguna Presidency start date: March 2166 War Protection: Protected until Dec 2455 Lance of Abaddon" Easy to start The president was active in the last week. King: Laguna Presidency start date: January 2180 War Protection: Protected until Jan 2456 Lance of Dubhthaigh" Easy to start The president was active in the last week. President: Laguna Presidency start date: March 2193 War Protection: Protected until Sep 2455 Since you wish to provoke a war over something that occurred on another planet in which I had no part. You leave me no choice but to undertake a C3 campaign of my own. Until those countries are available for pillaging ......... here is that pointy stick.
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| Wednesday, July 8, 2009 - 02:48 am I take back what I said about not being restricted.... "Sorry, your country can't declare a new war at the moment." Yes, it was a C3. Yes, I tried more than one country. No, the C3 isn't at war already, recently abandoned, etc.... So, I'm told to stop - I stop, even though I wasn't doing anything at the moment, and it happens anyways? What the hell... I suppose I can still get attacked just fine, but since I can't even declare war on C3s I can't cover my borders. I'm 90% ready to just move everything to FB since it seems I can still start wars there, but I don't know if there would be any point since it seems like even if I do what the GMs ask and indicate my willingness to comply they punish me anyways.
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| Wednesday, July 8, 2009 - 03:08 am And WTF happened to my accumulated WP? The most I have in any of my countries is 27 months! I know Dragon Army *AT LEAST* should have the max amount. Wow, next time, instead of taking me off at the kneecaps, since a little higher and just disembowel me, why don't you?
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| Wednesday, July 8, 2009 - 04:33 am Odd somehow The Swiss Guard lost all its WP.... I have not been warned nor have I done anything to deserve such treatment except for refusal to obey Laguna. /me stares at the GM. I will post it here for verification.
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| Wednesday, July 8, 2009 - 05:10 am That's alright .. I'm okay .. It ain't nothing but another day ......
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| Wednesday, July 8, 2009 - 05:47 am As soon as Laguna passed the word the fix was in...Wink wink. Who pops up but Kevin. Brave little trooper that he is. I thought you were leaving after the anal violation you got a little while back? You hated everyone ...Blah blah blah...We were not worthy to bask in the glory that is you..Ect. Ect. Teh butthurtz must have passed once you found out the GM had joined Valde in the persecution of such unworthy players. This message did not have the express written consent of anyone. If anyone requires it...Suck my balls.
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| Wednesday, July 8, 2009 - 06:53 am Valde will prosper. Valde WILL rule once again. wb Kevin
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| Wednesday, July 8, 2009 - 07:48 am STU noob i'm on you 4ever now!
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| Wednesday, July 8, 2009 - 10:33 am I may not see eye to eye with LDI, and you know we are good friends Laguna. However, any fighting and warring ingame should be fought fairly and neither side should be disabled in any shape or form. Chances are Laguna and his team will win but it won't be a real win because certain members of LDI did not have the same features available to them as usual to help them prepare. This is basically saying "LDI is so good that we have to actually take their rights so we may beat them". Let them have their WP back and anything else such as the right to declare on c3's. LDI is not hard to beat it's all about who has the best strategy, planning, training, and most of all HEART. I think in a way it's unfair to LDI because even though the war may not go their route they also payed for those features with real money. So, let's keep it clean and have fun like the good days. I am not taking any sides or being biased just putting my two cents. Crossdale.
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| Wednesday, July 8, 2009 - 10:57 am lol you have never beat us.
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| Wednesday, July 8, 2009 - 02:06 pm CF we are kewl, heck even me and LDI have been kewl for a bit. Can we just have fun already.
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| Wednesday, July 8, 2009 - 05:13 pm I'll contain my shock...
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| Wednesday, July 8, 2009 - 05:28 pm LOL! Now THAT is amusing AND unexpected! If only I was around when you were stripped stripped of your War Protection... Maybe this was missed, even when it is in the first post: "Obviously, people do not understand why a Gamemaster stops their wars and do not show appreciation when I halt their banishment." "And this time, I won't intervene to stop whatever comes from above." What intrigues me is why players, who are clearly personae non gratae, persist on playing. I think it's hope. Or possibly addiction. I told to quite simply ban and that would put a lot of people out of their hopeful misery. But no... Turning this agonizing is on the agenda. Or maybe I was supposed to stop warring. Dunno. But, since Jason already declared on me with his cute little C3... Nonetheless, I still see this as very amusing. Tiring on some regards, not to mention inefficient and frustrating, but still conserving that little sparkle of ironic amusement.
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| Wednesday, July 8, 2009 - 05:42 pm This is the first time my empire, outside of a country or two, has been in WP this entire year. So I'm not sure what " LOL! Now THAT is amusing AND unexpected! If only I was around when you were stripped stripped of your War Protection... " means. And as far as personae non gratae, the players who make up the active community are not a large enough group to designate unwelcome persons... even so, there are plenty to whom me and my cohorts (since I assume that's what you mean) are plenty welcome by a number of players, and many who would call us unwelcome are likely misinformed. We don't hunt for random destruction and cruelty. That's merely our propaganda, and anyone who falls for propaganda has lost already. Keep your swag defended and don't be a thorn for us, and there won't be any problems. Edit: "Obviously, people do not understand why a Gamemaster stops their wars" I chose to ignore this, since at least when he stopped my war all you were doing was playing defense. Even the best defense will succumb to an attacker eventually, and since I figured out how to stop you from attacking my fighters... well.... you could certainly say I don't understand why I should appreciate it.
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| Wednesday, July 8, 2009 - 05:53 pm And this is far too much BS for a game. The GMs will intervene personally in player affairs, but they can't put a single lousy ad on google? I still haven't heard any clarification on what exactly the GMs want, or if I can at least go on playing as usual on FB. I'm sorry, but you'll need to be clearer on what this means: "We get many complaints about wars against new players. Stop please or wars will be prohibited for you on all the worlds. " The last person whose countries I actually took had the #1 war rank on that planet, so you'll excuse me if I'm a little uncertain about the parameters.
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| Wednesday, July 8, 2009 - 06:12 pm From my point of view, you were a ill-shoot. Had it been Sam (if you didn't got the same message, pretend you did) and Jason, it would have been better applied. If you are looking for justification, you can consider April, Akasha and some unmentionables. As for FB, you'll have to ask someone else. Piece of advice: you shouldn't see this as only a consequence of the now or yours alone.
It was directed at Sam. I think it's pretty clear that you aren't my target, after I've stated I would leave you alone.
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| Wednesday, July 8, 2009 - 06:42 pm "It was directed at Sam. I think it's pretty clear that you aren't my target, after I've stated I would leave you alone." You're the one, Laguna, who pointed out the difficulty in using the second-person pronoun. Notice I have begun including direct address :P "Piece of advice: you shouldn't see this as only a consequence of the now or yours alone. " I don't see it that way, but it makes it no less infuriating when the GMs refuse or can't be bothered to communicate more fully their problems and wishes to me. And the fact that I was punished on LU when I wasn't at war, and after doing that they wanted, and asking for the clarification so I could be sure that I wasn't getting anything wrong.
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| Wednesday, July 8, 2009 - 06:53 pm Although I said I wouldn't stop whatever came from the above, and what is yet to come, I will speak for you when this is over. Have you wondered why I keep posting here?... No one reads what I write. They keep on insisting on the same delusional assumptions, even after I repeatedly tell them "NO, it's because of THIS". After eight years, it gets a bit tiring being questioned every single day on every little thing. I just haven't been here that long and I still get my breaks.
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| Wednesday, July 8, 2009 - 08:34 pm Problems Forum Bella0349 (Golden Rainbow) Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 03:42 am Click here to edit this post attention simcountry people. i have been treatened by some guy that he will destroy every country in my possesion can you deal with him i am reporting abuse against irishtiger Jonni Gil Saturday, June 27, 2009 - 01:09 pm Click here to edit this post Your main country cannot be destroyed as it has war-protection on the world you play on. If you do have other countries you can go through certain measures to protect those too.. But if you choose not to protect one of your country's. War is part of the game. Lulz.... Jonni is still representative of W3C, right?
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| Wednesday, July 8, 2009 - 08:34 pm The issue you face here, Laguna, is that a lot of what you write is of the same obscure, nonspecific nature of the GMs' own ramblings. If you were, perhaps, to consider being very precise on each point you wish to make then perhaps others would understand. Its all well and good complaining about it, but I've seen several simple, straightforward questions put to you in this thread and each one has been answered or avoided in a manner more suited to a politician than the self-proclaimed "Most helpful" player in Simcountry. Though it does give a certain irony to your words.
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| Wednesday, July 8, 2009 - 09:17 pm Banned for what reason? After a careful check of the rules of conduct I find nothing I have done bannable. The last war I fought was inactives on WG. The last before that was Nolan for hostile bidding in January. I missed the April wars. I declared on Ashaka for hostile bidding but the wars were over before I ever even logged in. As for clarity of thought. I would like to have a clear and distinct warning from the GM on what exactly I have done to displease them. Is my money not good enough? They seem to take it easily enough. I am willing to adapt to suit the needs of the GM with regards to my game play. Other persons opinions are meaningless dribble and not under consideration.
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| Thursday, July 9, 2009 - 12:11 am As for money... I'd just like to say that LDI and its cohorts make up a pretty large percentage of players on this game. Although LDI is only a handful of players, the community has shrunk to such a tiny size. I would just like to say that LDI has been around much long before the game community shrunk, so obviously we are not at fault. In fact, as I stated before, most of the players I have talked to that leave, state that it was due to the GM or other factors that are out of anyone's control (i.e. lacking the necessary time, getting tired of the game - which happens in all games, etc...) Make these players leave (LDI holds many long term players who have not gotten completely tired of the game yet, although the BS is facilitating this process as well as newer players) and see what happens to the game. You will only be putting another nail in your own coffin. And no, destroying your player base will not make newer players come to the game... LG, it isn't that no one reads or understands your posts, it is just that everyone read them and disregard them because we have different opinions, and your opinion is bullshit. Stop pretending you are smarter than everyone else, you only come off as being an arrogant asshole. I sincerely believe that you are not the smartest one here (although perhaps close to it). Even rivals of LDI believe that what is happening is BS (thank your Crossdale for your unbiased opinion on the matter). Seems like their is a pretty general consensus on the matter. I know that under your hatred you do realize that what the GM's are doing are detrimental to the game and ethically wrong. If you really are the "helpful" player you will correct this issue, not because you want people to be "greatful" (btw, that would be another example of your arrogant assholishness), but because you want the game to be fun. I can tell you honestly, that if you view your conflict with Wild as a friendly rivalry, she would do the same. It is when it becomes a feud that problems like this arise. I do not expect you to listen to my advice (once again your arrogance comes into play), but I know that you have some shred of intelligence and know what everyone here is true. Do not turn this game into a community of asshats. If you truly want to make this game enjoyable again and allow it to grow, you will take the first step into make it a friendly game again, by taking my advice. War, as a friendly rivalry, is fun. I think that with Wendy's war and other wars this perception was lost. The fault would be on both sides. Although this is our policy, it is not so easy to follow all the time. I know that all LDI members would love to see this policy applied to everything about this game. After reading all these posts, returning wars to friendly rivalries and creating that sort of atmosphere, I realize that this is the only thing that the game community has lost. Although we are partially to blame so are you. Just remember that you started this thread as a personal attack on Wild not a friendly war. This attitude and the GM's hypocrisy/bad management are the true detriments.
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| Thursday, July 9, 2009 - 02:48 am having read the rules of conduct I have done nothing baned for.
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| Thursday, July 9, 2009 - 02:50 am I think we should all go on strike.. What do you guys think?
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| Thursday, July 9, 2009 - 02:50 am I wouldn't call a mutual agreement to wait for July "personal Slock. I 4got to read the rest of your post. Im having fun. I would find this much more amusing if we could all just dec and play it out. No body gets banned we all fight and have fun. What the heck is all this about? I remember Jason being known by this quote "Less talk Moar War" Theres a reckoning on the horizon. And in a cloud of seriousness, should I be the only one to enjoy getting my arse kicked?? Why I think certainly not. In fact, I think getting your arse kicked is one of the single most underrated necessities vital to sim President growth in Sim Country. To play SC and not "Have your ass handed to you" is to "Not have played at all" LETS GET IT ON!!
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| Thursday, July 9, 2009 - 03:34 am The FUCK is wrong with "Hail"?! And where the fuck where the bullshit GMs when the Ameche/Nute/Diz clusterfuck ALL OVER THE GODDAMN FUCKING FORSAKEN FORUMS was going on? God damn mother fucking nazi pig fucker hypocrits, that's what. Edit: might as well edit this while I can since I'm sure it merits a ban - so fucking ban me already. Do the job like you have some stones if you're going to do it at all.
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| Thursday, July 9, 2009 - 03:51 am OMG 
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| Thursday, July 9, 2009 - 03:52 am Although I was not around for the previous war...it seems pretty personal to me. I am also pretty sure the delay was simply because the GMs decided to be asshats and intervened.
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| Thursday, July 9, 2009 - 04:18 am Doesn't matter. I've deleted all my countries. I'm through, it's not even worth the time to cash out. Scorched earth - no one will have my empire and assets, and I doubt anything like it shall exist again in the game's present state. I hope the game rots and dies.
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| Thursday, July 9, 2009 - 04:32 am I smell a lawsuit in hand.
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| Thursday, July 9, 2009 - 06:06 am My empire is up for sale. I have CEOs on KB and WG if interested send me a message. Other than that I am done. Enjoyed my Fedmates most of all. Enjoyed the game. Enjoyed kicking the unholy hell out of so many of you. Thanks for being good Sam Houston.
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| Thursday, July 9, 2009 - 12:38 pm Wow...I am so confused as to what is going on exactly...So you are NOT allowed to attack whomever you want...for whatever reason you want??? So who do I email...to get permission to attack someone? Is Tom the one answering those requests? Or LG...did they put you in charge of approving wars? Will they post of list of countries you are allowed to attack now? OH CRAP!!! I accidentally bid on a noobs corporation....damn...I'll be banned for sure now. I mean that hostile bidding will stop noobs from playing for sure...its going to RUIN this game. I'm sorry...I screwed up again...I ignored a NOOBs request to join his federation...my guess is he will probably quit now. I guess I should be banned.
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| Thursday, July 9, 2009 - 12:46 pm I agree with Daconia.What exactly is and isnt allowed? Can we have some clarification? Are wars banned? Is this just an exercise to remove certain players? If so,why when they apparently play within the rules?
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| Thursday, July 9, 2009 - 12:49 pm I have to agree. For 1's and 0's you sure are making quite a spectacle. The first draft of your post answers your question, Sam. Your conduct. Klarina, Time is limited. The questions many. I answer the ones that are needed the most and most useful. I won't bother answering how to make tomato soup. Slocketer, So, you people understand what I write, but at the same time it is "obscure and nonspecific in nature"? I see. No, you don't. "LDI and its cohorts" keep seeing this from the same distorted, self-centered glass. I'm glad there are those that sense there's something more than this tough, but those are few and silent. This is what a player messaged me before this: "Honestly what need do these players have with the forums? I think they should be banned, and when their 'friends' start posting the 'I'll quit for this' crap; the gm could just ignore them. Perhaps the forums would liven up a little and some new players would start posting." We are listening. What's curious is that he knew what was going to follow. Half of the game sees this with very different eyes. Jason, "don't get a slave bitch!", "you fucker!". Yes, unbelievably, those are bannable offenses. Wildeyes, As I was constructing your case I read this "if there is some great ban stick coming down from above it should just happen already. Sort of a "put up or shut up" thing." It is somewhat difficult to lift things that were asked for.
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| Thursday, July 9, 2009 - 01:19 pm You can war as long as you aren't abusive. You can war as long as you don't "change the main pages of slaves just to make fun of [people], to insult [them]." You can war as long as for the past six months I don't only see "posts with some negative comment refering to killing them or wiping them from the game." You can war as long as you make the "game not fun and leave the player feeling there's no point in spending money and building an empire". As long you don't "troll, threat and spam". As long as you don't conquer countries with the intention to sell them afterwards. Extortion pisses me off the most. Oh, and, of course, as long as you play within the rules. As long as you have only one account. These offenses aren't just for Sam, Jason and Wild. Some aren't even for them. That's why I was going to conquer pretty much everyone successively. Seems like I can't do that now.
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| Thursday, July 9, 2009 - 01:27 pm yes lg you are right on the forums I popped my lid over the fact that stu stold rl money from me. I think you'd be mad too.
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| Thursday, July 9, 2009 - 02:44 pm But Lagina, with all due respect, the point is that even those questions that you do address are answered in a vague, misinformative manner. You then typically follow it with some spiel about how we all should've known the answer anyway, and then proceed to patronise whomever posed the question in the first place. It is something of a common theme in most of your "helpful" replies.
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| Thursday, July 9, 2009 - 03:13 pm IM FEELING GASSY I was guilty of most offenses, thx for giving me a few chances, maybe this courtesy will be extended to others that have played longer than I have. I can't stand to see anyone have to go, the easy or hard way.
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| Thursday, July 9, 2009 - 04:27 pm well guys its been fun. lg has been nothing but mean to me from day 1, he has deced me, kicked me out of irc the 1st time I showed up 2 years ago, let all the things he says he hates happen to me. what have I done for him? lots I've fought many wars for him, got my butt kicked on fb for him, stopped many wars from happening to him, and this is my my thanks. and to think I called him a friend. what a fool I've been. jason
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| Thursday, July 9, 2009 - 04:34 pm Thats cause he's an arrogant person Klarina, he has been from the start. It was bearable when he had a sense of humor to go along with it but whatever happened sucks cause the snobbiness has gotten out of hand.
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| Thursday, July 9, 2009 - 04:38 pm I dont get why a selloff is the answer. If indeed it is the case, why not fight it out. I mean LDI of all people, comon, it would only be fitting to go out with a bang. If indeed you guys are going out. I thought this was going to be fun. I am actually getting annoyed by this. You guys want me to fight on your side? Just say the word, if it means you'll stay And seriously, all the character bashing needs quit. Jason, you've been a good sport, fought and lost and won. We all feel betrayed at one point or another. Nobody is perfect. Tighen up young man.
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| Thursday, July 9, 2009 - 04:39 pm but this when we can war and when we can't is confusing me. We can war anytime we want but if Laguna doesnt justify it he'll take away your empire? We can war anytime we want but if its against laguna the gamemaster won't justify it and it'll be stopped?
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| Thursday, July 9, 2009 - 04:42 pm I thought LDI bunch were hippie lovers. FIGHT FOR YOUR RIGHTS.
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| Thursday, July 9, 2009 - 04:43 pm Lets march LACERTA man! Righteous MAN!!
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| Thursday, July 9, 2009 - 04:46 pm I don't call simply deleting my countries spectacle. I call it simply deleting countries - I don't know what could be further from spectacle. Unless you refer to my scorched earth sentiment, but that's appropriate since I built them and I won't have the GMs more or less give them away. And finally, my level of spectacle here on the forums is only directly proportional to the absurdity being demonstrated in the past few days. With that, I don't expect to be back, so fanfare and spectacle can die here as well.
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| Thursday, July 9, 2009 - 04:47 pm You remember 'NAM man, this is no different. They can't kill us all man. Fight for your rights!!! You think this is a dictatorship. WAR rulez!!!! . . . EWAR rulez!!!! . . . ECO DroolS!!!! HELL NO WE WON"T GO!!!!! ECO DroolS!!!! HELL NO WE WON"T GO!!!!! WAR rulez!!!! . . . EWAR rulez!!!! . . . ECO DroolS!!!! HELL NO WE WON"T GO!!!!! ECO DroolS!!!! HELL NO WE WON"T GO!!!!!
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| Thursday, July 9, 2009 - 04:59 pm July indeed...
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| Thursday, July 9, 2009 - 05:40 pm ....
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| Thursday, July 9, 2009 - 05:58 pm Since when did the Game Masters ever do their job? Laguna has to "persuade" them in a way to for them to fight for him since he can't fight on his own. - Revival
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| Thursday, July 9, 2009 - 06:03 pm Oo
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| Thursday, July 9, 2009 - 07:12 pm Wendy the reason we won't fight is because it's obvious that it would be a completely unfair, biased fight. LDI can beat other people in game, but we can't beat the people who control the game. As for me I have Republic of MD, Republic of VA, and Republic of PA for sale now. Contact me if interested! Hail
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| Thursday, July 9, 2009 - 10:23 pm Here's an idea... Everyone quit...Just stop playing...
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| Thursday, July 9, 2009 - 10:39 pm o ya!
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| Thursday, July 9, 2009 - 11:23 pm Hell of a long thread...so this is July hun! No bang bang fizz fizz...and a lot of pissed off vets leaving the game and destroying / selling there assets...seems very bad for business...and I have seen a lot of that this year. My 2 cents on the matter is that this is indeed a game with rules posted and while playing nice should be the Modus operandi...that is just not the way Real Life or the game is set up at all. But that doesn't even apply here...as you are all vets. I think it's grossly unfair that this war was stopped to its full extent...apparently this is the fun part of the game for you vets and the paying customers should be allowed there fun...No GM intervention and No Bans!!! After all, no noobs were involved in the war and only consenting Vets proposing an all out orgy of War...the perfect storm. I thoroughly agree with Daconia and Blue Serpent!
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| Friday, July 10, 2009 - 03:04 am "And seriously, all the character bashing needs quit. Jason, you've been a good sport, fought and lost and won." In fact, no it does not. Laguna started the asshatishness, so unless he unexpectedly stops being an arrogant ass, we will return the favor and the game will die a quick painless death. As for people leaving, I shall follow Wild's examples. NY, Delaware, and IRP shall be deleted without any sale. Sucks that I came back to the game just for this to happen. I always thought it had some potential. Oh well...the game is dead. I completely agree with ya jeffyboy. Funny how 5+ players just quit in one day....good work LG and LG's GM cohorts.
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| Friday, July 10, 2009 - 03:54 am Laguna, why did you not tell everyone that you made up the rules? That these are the rules. Did you just recently make them up? The only "rule" of yours that is stated specifically in the official SC rules is the last one you listed about multi-accounts. It seems that your rules are selective and that obviously it is you that decides when and who broke these "rules". Obviously the GM's let you make them up as you decide to and enforce them for you.
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| Friday, July 10, 2009 - 07:34 am so,even if a war gets to start within the above rules. How long before it gets decided it gets stopped because another rule needs to be added. Where is the official GM rule update?
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| Friday, July 10, 2009 - 12:43 pm Do any of those strikes you as counter-intuitive? None of them is recent as well. And, if you can't notice, I copy and pasted those from messages I got.
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| Friday, July 10, 2009 - 03:04 pm You can war as long as you aren't abusive. -war is automatically abusive. its war. this is a game with war. You can war as long as you don't "change the main pages of slaves just to make fun of [people], to insult [them]." -why not? where is the line that must not be crossed on this? who gets to be the judge? you don't like the insult then fight back. You can war as long as for the past six months I don't only see "posts with some negative comment refering to killing them or wiping them from the game." -well again just bann them from them from the forums and make sure people know why they were banned. You can war as long as you make the "game not fun and leave the player feeling there's no point in spending money and building an empire -fun is an opinion, there is no measuable goal or rule here As long you don't "troll, threat and spam". -then just kick them out of the forums. but the problem is there needs to be a set guide on what is and is not allowed if this is to happen As long as you don't conquer countries with the intention to sell them afterward. Extortion pisses me off the most. -are you saying we can't profit from our war? why not? they can avoid war if they want to. extortion to me would be the pay 30 GC's to end this war thing Oh, and, of course, as long as you play within the rules. As long as you have only one account. this one is spot on. No offense but this is like saying there are rules in a fight. as soon as you add rules it is no longer a fight, it is boxing or whatever. these are your preferences you are forcing on us.
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| Friday, July 10, 2009 - 03:28 pm War is not automatically abusive. Seeing as there have been both sides saying they had fun while warring, it indicates there wasn't abuse. It isn't automatically abusive. Why not insult people? Is that a serious question? Or are you just going against it for the hell of it? That question does not fit here. When people sign up, they aren't signing to be insulted. That's what the SAS's forums are for. Laws are naturally imperfect. That's why in the forum we have "netiquette". Don't tell me people don't know they should behave themselves. Judging from what has been said here, they know when they are crossing a line. "Profit in war" does not imply extortion. Extortion has never nor will it ever be allowed here. Nor is there any reason for it to acceptable. There are rules in a fight. There are rules on everything, stated or implied. But those aren't my rules. Not even my preferences.
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| Friday, July 10, 2009 - 05:25 pm i didn't say why not insult people. i said why can't we change the names to what we want. its a game, you want to change your countries name to crabs is stoopid go for it. i can change mine too or if i for some reason can't handle your name change we can war. I can see where you are coming from on this. but thee are different levels of insults. what i am getting at is there needs to be set standards. if we are to be judged i would like to know what i am judged against. warring in this game can be fun. i wasn't clear sorry bout that. if one person wants to war but the other doesn't(and they didn't take advantage of the WP or staying in a main), then one person is abusing the other by fighting them. not saying its wrong, its just part of the game. i guess what the ? should be is when IS it okay to war? why war if there is no offense taken by either side. someone has to start a war. it just doesn't have the same zing if it is a prearranged war set up ahead of time, it would feel more like a practice war game than the real thing. so if i see a country on FB that i want to take so i can take the weapons, cash, pop or various other goods it has, and have no intention of keeping the country, am i not allowed to do so. if i take over a country i have to keep it? i assure you i am not just going against it for the hell of it. i am just trying find out what the boundries are and where i stand. i'm not saying i have all the answers but this whole thing stinks. i am pretty much an eco player but i chose that. i don't want to be forced to it.
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| Friday, July 10, 2009 - 07:03 pm Where was Wild back in February when they changed the navy rules in the middle of wars? Instead of standing up for the basic principle that the rules of a game shouldn't be changed midstream, she argued that the new rules improved the game, that players shouldn't "put all their eggs in one basket," and called those who complained "wusses". Leaving in a huff and destroying all her assets is childish, more the actions of a "spoiled brat" than anything done by anyone she has used that term on. Barney never would have acted the way you guys have been.
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| Friday, July 10, 2009 - 08:28 pm Agreed, BArney taught me "Trenascendance?"
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| Friday, July 10, 2009 - 11:28 pm Jojo, totally different circumstances. Everyone was impacted equally by the navy changes. Myself and others had been singled out and had special limitations put on us... such as not being able to attack. Totally different. If GMs are going to directly intervene with players like that then the game isn't worth anything anymore. With the navies, I was effected as much as you or anyone else. It's not as if Navies couldn't be taken away before, and anyone who only knew one way to fight wasn't that good anyway. Navies WERE overpowered. You are comparing apples and oranges. Due to the navy changes, a lot of different tactical options became viable, and it DID make the game more interesting and exciting. Yes, it was harder, but before all you had to do was park a fleet off a country, make sure you had enough ammo, and pound away. The fact that you still do not realize how the nerfing of navies allowed for some more depth to evolve in the war game shows you still do not truly understand the war engine... Perhaps that's why LDI had to be beaten by the GMs before it could be beaten by other players. And destroying my assets isn't childish. First, they are simply 1's and 0's existing in an European server. Second, they are as "mine" as 1's and 0's can me. Third, putting up with another second of what has become a completely inane and insipid waste of time in order to cater to what other players think would be "proper" is even more childish. Are YOU ready to leave SC and delete your game-toys at the drop of a hat? I'm merely practicing what I preach: this game has no value over what you personally choose to assign to it. I assign it the same worth as a game of RISK, Chess, or Monopoly. In other words, it's fun and somewhat important to do well while you are playing, but once you finish playing you are finished. Your monopoly money is just paper and your RISK armies are just plastic.
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| Saturday, July 11, 2009 - 12:12 am Everybody quit yet...nope ok I'll check back later
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| Saturday, July 11, 2009 - 02:35 am LMAO
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| Saturday, July 11, 2009 - 03:16 am First of all - Laguna, you are retarded. There has not been one person that has agreed with you yet on this thread. "You can war as long as you aren't abusive." That is retarded. War = killing people. Is that not abusive? If the game manages too boot all of its veterans, and all of its new players don't stay, it is dead. The recent changes KILLED this game. Anyone defending the changes is also retarded.
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| Saturday, July 11, 2009 - 03:29 am and that about sums it up, Ares.
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| Saturday, July 11, 2009 - 04:34 am Ares, Laguna is not retarded. Step back and read the whole thread. Laguna has a much firmer grasp on reality than anyone else. In retrospect, everything he said is relevant and makes sense. Like others, I find it virtually impossible to understand what he is saying when he says it. He could be much more helpful if he wanted to. In this this case, at least, it is clear that he did not want to. He personally wanted changes in the game. He figured that the best way to make those changes was for certain players to leave. Those players have left or are leaving, of their own volition. You may not like his means or his ends, but it is just wrong to call him retarded. It's usually called success. As far as means...read him closely, I don't see that he's doing anything I would call wrong. Pinpoint it, if you can. Those rules: he's not setting game rules, he's just stating, perhaps not clearly, what should be obvious. It's a game...of course you shouldn't be abusive to other people with whom you are playing. Just because the game involves war, that rule of normal human conduct doesn't vanish. The sim people are not real people, but we are. I don't necessarily agree with Laguna's aims. I don't know the details of what it was that is being construed as abusive. Haven't seen anything on FB that was out of line, apart from Wild quitting and dumping Eb's stuff overboard. It looks as though the gamemasters have been horribly unclear about the matter--no surprise there. But Laguna...although his prose is impenetrable, he is a clever guy, and you'll have to make clear to me why one shouldn't think he's not as well-intentioned as you or I.
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| Saturday, July 11, 2009 - 04:36 am ...suck up lawl
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| Saturday, July 11, 2009 - 04:40 am slocketer you seem like you love the war game. You should come to Fearless Blue, you would have a blast.
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| Saturday, July 11, 2009 - 04:44 am Laguna is the ultimate hypocrite. In order to stop players from attacking and killing others, he attacks and kills them, at his own motivation. He tried to do that to me in April, then after Wild joined on my side, blames her for the April event. More clarification Jojo, Eb declared war on me WHILE in msn chat with me. He was aware of what he was getting in to. Just because Laguna made all of the veterans leave that play actively does not make him successful. It just shows he values his opinion over that of most of the community. Last war I fought against Laguna sparked major game changes, and my wars were stopped mid-nuking. Whether he is innocent as the rest of us or not does not matter. The GM's obviously think his view will help the game gain members, which it clearly is not, and his attempts to "save the game" have resulted in many paid players quitting the game. As for your game changes in the middle of your war in February, those did help the game. The problem was the GM's did not give any heads up. As far as abusive Jojo, what is wrong with it? That is what federations are for. When 3m is attacked, its members do indeed respond and rally to their fellow fed-mates' need. The severe lack of players has led to massive decreases in the amount of successful federations, and experienced players can now pick who to kill and when. The problem is not the experienced players, but just the severe lack of new faces coming into the game. W3C is on the verge of bankruptcy, and will NOT survive by booting many of its very few current members. What is Laguna DOING wrong? Not sure, but he sure is doing nothing but being hypocritical. And if Laguna's grip on reality is "firmer" than anyone elses, perhaps this game is suited only for him and he can play by himself.
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| Saturday, July 11, 2009 - 06:25 am Sheesh...
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| Saturday, July 11, 2009 - 07:01 am Ares and Wild, you both make the point that game changes in Feb were beneficial. I agree. But why are you making that point? You're just arguing that the gm's latest new policy is justified if it ends up being beneficial to the game. At least three very active players left the game, and others reduced their activity, specifically due to that navy fiasco. That didn't help the game. I don't think it will help the game if all you babies leave now, either. You two of anyone should see that ANY new rule or policy spat out in the middle of a war will favor one side or the other. If I have a bat, and you have a knife, and the gm says "bats are okay, but now no knives," of course it favors me, even though the new rule applies to everyone. Same with your current situation. I don't see that they are picking on you, they're just instituting a new policy. Extremely vague, the consequences seemingly not well thought out, and very arbitary in its timing, and you're the lucky ones who get to be the test case. Again, it's the implementation that's the biggest problem, from my point of view. Ares, what's wrong with being abusive?? The word itself implies being wrong. Warring in this game can be fun, abusive, or in between. The line is highly subjective, but one should acknowledge there is a line, and actually try to stay away from it. It's just common decency, which both of you have, and shouldn't be ashamed of. Do you mind if I mention how you halted your attack on me, in April, when I couldn't get online for a few days? And Wild, maybe it was just a case of you being distracted and not fighting full throttle, but our newer Musketteers really enjoyed fighting you in this latest war, even though they lost some countries. So Wild, I don't truly understand the war engine, haha, maybe so, but I'm still pretty mad at you for taking away my opportunity to find out. Haven't you ever played Risk or some other game with someone who is doing well, but you think you can beat them, then they quit in the middle of the game? It ruins the game for everyone else. And it is very much childish. Did you wonder why I didn't dec on you during your romp through Eb's countries? I did leave the game, I thought for good, for a week. Was able to come back, now to see you throw your pieces off the table. Grrrrrrrr, I've been waiting a year for that rematch, now never to be.
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| Saturday, July 11, 2009 - 07:15 am If you don't understand how preventing a player from declaring war altogether is different than changing how a weapon in the game works, then I'm not going to try and explain it to you. And I never got to truly fight any of your younger musketeers thanks to the GM's email. I really need to scour this url from my memory, but I am still waiting on my secured countries and CEOs to expire.
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| Saturday, July 11, 2009 - 07:23 am Yes Jojo, players did leave, but to be honest, navies only support visa warrioring and they also only support players with large stashes of weapons. This was also only a partial change, as you guys STILL use almost exclusively navies. I AGREE that it was a bad move by the GM to do it in the middle of the war, but had it not been in the war, I doubt they would have left. I agree Jojo that warring is fun and that I do have a shred of decency in me. However, EXPECTING everyone to play with those morals when there is no beneficial reason to is not realistic. Jojo, whats the point in playing risk if you can't attack other players? This game is to be enjoyed on a personal level. No offense, but I do not play the game so YOU have fun. If you can't attack someone and they can attack you, I see no potential of fun whatsoever, and this game becomes a waste of time.
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| Saturday, July 11, 2009 - 07:48 am Ugh, okay, enlighten me, oh wise ones. Why is it that the gm will not let you declare wars and whatever else you can't do, while I can declare and play just fine?
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| Saturday, July 11, 2009 - 07:56 am jojo i think thats the point. 78^)*
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| Saturday, July 11, 2009 - 08:09 am What, that they don't even know why?
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| Saturday, July 11, 2009 - 08:12 am The gms pick "target" players to give punishment. Wild was no longer allowed to declare on even c3s.
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| Saturday, July 11, 2009 - 08:19 am That's not an explanation. It makes no sense even on the face of it. For what reason would the gms bother to pick "target" players to give punishment? What is this, The Lottery?
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| Saturday, July 11, 2009 - 08:21 am ......read up a bit Jojo. They think Wild's participation in a war in April which was started by Laguna and her "frequent noob stomps" must come to an end. So she cant dec on anyone and has since quit.
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| Saturday, July 11, 2009 - 08:30 am No, they don't. And I did not start that war. Name me all of the wars I've actually started. Not just the ones where I just pushed the triggered (even so, that wouldn't be the case in April). There's much to war before it's declaration. Edit: Now that you have edited your post, that they do. But that alone is nothing. Ideas within structures. Behavior and actions within context.
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| Saturday, July 11, 2009 - 09:10 am Hmm, if I read that again in a week I bet I will understand it. So Ares, you can dec just fine? That's okay, if you can't I'll probably figure it out soon enough. But seriously, if the new policy is no more stomping noobs, and I don't think that's such a new policy either, why not just stop stomping noobs, and keep playing? "Adapt," as we used to say. Or is it that with Wild gone you all feel a little exposed? And with you gone, Bobo will feel like he's flapping in the breeze? You should tell the rank and file NV, they're still fighting, brave souls.
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| Saturday, July 11, 2009 - 11:58 am The GMs should come clean and say what restrictions they have placed on players and why. It only takes a couple of minutes to write on the forum what they are doing and why. Doing whatever they like on the sly just spreads discontent amoungst the players.
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| Saturday, July 11, 2009 - 12:03 pm WildEyes, you are in my opinion without a doubt the greatest player this game has seen since Esperandus himself. Very few people in the game today have contributed more than yourself, and even fewer have acheived half of what you have. Since i started in 2001 i have never seen game become as dark as this, at the end of the 12 monkeys war in 2003/2004 we lost a lot of good players because of the GM's interference, however this time i do not see the game being able to recover. Player activity and satisfaction is barely even a fraction of what it was then, with less than a quarter of the people we had activce then. You will be missed by many Wild, i have always found you extremely helpful and friendly and it has been a pleasure knowing you.
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| Saturday, July 11, 2009 - 05:05 pm Jojo, as Wild posted earlier in this thread, the GMs have contacted her and told her she will be given restrictions. Her account is no longer capable of declaring war on other countries. I still can, but as you have seen, I have had no interest in doing so for the last week or so. The issue is not adapting Jojo, its if you can declare war on Wild, and she can't return the favor, then whats the point? Jojo name the last noob I've "stomped." I don't do that. I just get ambushed by the likes of you and your friends and end up fighting virtually alone(did I have counter decs this whole war?). @ Vali - I entirely agree with your last post.
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| Saturday, July 11, 2009 - 06:46 pm "slocketer you seem like you love the war game. You should come to Fearless Blue, you would have a blast." As I said before, I played this game because of LDI. Seeing as LDI no longer exists, I will cease playing this game. I was never very good with war, nor am I yet to be a pro, wild, jason, etc... has been helping me with that. I do enjoy it, but not now that they are gone i do not., Most of the fun was the coordination with others. Jojo, I think most of what you have written actually supports what we have been saying all along, even if you didn't mean it, which further proves that we are right and LG is wrong. "Do you mind if I mention how you halted your attack on me, in April, when I couldn't get online for a few days? And Wild, maybe it was just a case of you being distracted and not fighting full throttle, but our newer Musketteers really enjoyed fighting you in this latest war, even though they lost some countries. " That just proves that Wild indeed does not provide an atmosphere which encourages people to leave, in fact she made the game more enjoyable... "Ugh, okay, enlighten me, oh wise ones. Why is it that the gm will not let you declare wars and whatever else you can't do, while I can declare and play just fine?" That is the point...we don't know. The GM's are just being assholes. It is not a question of adapting, you can't adapt to not being able to declare war. It just means that you can never fight, unless declared on, which probably guarantees that you will lose.
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| Saturday, July 11, 2009 - 09:34 pm I'll bring you next week a little sooner, Jojo. "Behavior and actions within context." Example: Jane stole a piece of bread. Good or bad? Jane stole a piece of bread from a bread-thief, so she could feed her starving family and work. What do you think? Good or bad? You can say the act of stealing is irremediably "bad", no what matter who you steal from, but the consequences of such action may be good or bad... Generally bad, but the possibility that it may be good exists. It's just a question of will, I suppose. And yes, Crabs, there are different levels of insults, as there are different levels of offenses. These are judged according to result, intention, recidivism and circumstances. Therefore, naming your country crabs doesn't matter to anyone, as it isn't a targeted insult. Conquering someone's countries, uploading a middle finger as flag, harass the other player to see and buy his countries back... well then, what do you think? Crabs, extortion isn't raiding. Extortion... Imagine, a player threats to conquer all of your countries, but he would halt his attack in exchange of 1500GCs (for a C3) or $75. Or that he sells your countries back for ten times more they are worth. Or that he promises to stop harassing you for a nice sum of real cash or GCs. This is extortion. I don't think anyone has done any of three recently, at least conspicuously.
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| Sunday, July 12, 2009 - 03:44 am you no when your dad said "quitting is for quitters, never a good thing to do" i think this is an exception to what your dad said sorry dad, i quit
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| Sunday, July 12, 2009 - 04:10 am So, what are the GM's going to do about this? Constantly, players quitting, this isn't a good sighting what so ever..
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| Sunday, July 12, 2009 - 04:47 am players quitting . . . returning under new aliases and threatening to re-quit again is NOT quitting . . . That is PROPAGANDA I see alot of "quitters" not quitting and STILL posting, even after dumping a heavy asset or two or . . . three. JeffBOY what happened to checking back in a week? I guess it doesn't matter a week a month or a year- They will still post here and have countries and accounts. Maybe the thread will be "August" or "January 2010" or "I wanted to quit, but would rather you do it for me"
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| Sunday, July 12, 2009 - 09:35 am did i mention anything about "returning under new aliases and threatening to re-quit again" no i didnt, i strictly mean that you are done with the game for the single reason that it has bull crapped you to the point that you throw your hands in the air and say "i quit" which i dont ever see you quitting in the future wendy, i can see you as being "returning under new aliases and threatening to re-quit again" because you will always be the person on the forums wanting attention i will tell you this however, i will not be the person who will still have countries and accounts, im finished i have a few last points that i would like to leave with you for i dont post on the forums often Wendy-Nobody likes you GM's-you made a terrible game, it wasnt bad to start, but you made it terrible at the end of it all And everyone else who plays SC- I have no idea why you still play the game
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| Sunday, July 12, 2009 - 05:00 pm I never aim to please, so thank you for the compliment JeffBoy. Acting like a 10 yr ld brat and crying "WOLF" when whatever happens has nothing to do with YOU JEFFBOY, repeating it on the forums like some pansy victim . Yelling I quit like that will move a mountain just for you. I am sure buttering up past requests on the whims of players threatening to quit, has perpetuated this kind of behavior and course of action. Example: "Wha Wha Wha I can't get MY way, I can't GET OVER. I quit I quit. Well the day after you quit . . . you are still here. Tomorrow, I am sure you will be as well. Make sense when you repeat things for others to hear. As for me. I am Wendy. Name change?? I think not. I have played coming up on a year and a half. I could have started over a long time ago. I won't. WHY?? Because I will fight your arse regardless of what you have goin on. There is no reason to hide. I enjoy being unliked by many here. I see through as many people that don't like me. While I have good relationships with a few players, I could give a shit who like me or not. I hope that would be apparent by the way I play this game. I don't have low self esteem issues. I don't need your pat on the back or your encouragement/approvals or a need to feel accepted by anyone on this site, internet, or real world. Do you feel me sucka. I love getting "Attention" on the forum. If that is what you want to call it. I call it spicing up the forums. Don't like that eh? Well you have been free to handle it in game whenever you felt like it. What I do on the forums from day one, while controversial,has sparked a soap opera/novela for many players to follow who would feel this forums is pretty boring at times. So I enjoy, playing MY part to keep some interest alive when it dies down here. That is called interaction, and it doesn't matter if you LIKE it or NOT. I appeal for attention for simple reasons like this.. .. .. Some Buster named Jeffboy, got his pantiez all in a bunch because I called others on the childishness of their threats to quit, but he must have assumed I was talking about him on how hes a whiny little panzie for whining about quitting. Now Boo Hoo, he says nobody likes me. SO now that I have everyones attention on the forum, please send me weapons and ammo offers to my main because I think Jeffboy is asking for my help with getting his things out the door. Jeff, ask me when the hell anybody likeng me mattered? Get real. Its a freakin GAME DUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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| Sunday, July 12, 2009 - 09:20 pm You LDI & friends have never made your case at all clear in these forums. This is the court of public opinion, and you seem determined to lose. You go off on tangents and give the appearance of being narcissistic babies, especially unbecoming given the normal LDI rhetoric. Have you no adults in your group? Again, Barney wouldn't have let things play out this way. I don't want any of you all to leave the game. I think LDI adds a lot to the game, and, personally, I want good opponents, as does the rest of 3M. Facts: all you've described on the forums is that one person, Wild, received a warning, then almost immediately was not able to declare on other countries (except on FB, where she was and did, after her warning) and possibly she and others lost some accumulated WP. All the Laguna stuff is irrelevant. Any other complaints at all about unfair treatment regarding this particular issue? OBVIOUSLY it kills warring if you can't declare war! But a game POLICY of preventing declarations from someone who breaks a particular rule is not in and of itself a bad policy. It's the particular IMPLEMENTATION of it that seems so unfair, and I think that's the one principle you guys should be arguing against, forcefully, both for you all personally and for the good of the game that I think you agree is almost-so-great-that-it-kills-you-when-it-stinks. I have to assume that Wild really did cross some line, multiple times, in "stomping on noobs." Not so difficult to believe. Probably others have also, and haven't been punished. I think it's just such a shame for her to be skewered on this issue, because I've personally seen her show great consideration to noobs. But, really, why are others leaving the game because of Wild's situation? Why does wildeyes not being able to declare wars make jeffyboy leave simcountry?? One of you, someone eloquent and logical, should think things through and state your case, in a persuasive manner, without just repeating the obvious and without insulting other players or the gms. (People can make mistakes without necessarily being assholes.) If not for your personal benefits, then for the good of the game, and if not for that then just for your own pride and self respect.
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| Sunday, July 12, 2009 - 09:46 pm Just a note Jojo, Sam and Jason have also been prevented from declaring war on anything.
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| Monday, July 13, 2009 - 12:53 am It's a disgrace that Jason, Sam and Wild effectively had war disabled, yet Wendy is still allowed to troll the forum stirring up crap and being a general irritant with no change to her ability to wage war, not even a ban from posting in the provocative manner we have all seen and put up with. But then again, Wendy isn't a threat to Laguna, so maybe that's why... I left the game for good just before the recent developments and if I hadn't, I would have left now as it stinks that the GM can and does interfere in this way on the whim of a player, albeit established and experienced, but with far too much influence utilised for their own benefit and as has been seen, at the expense of other players who were well respected by many in the SC community. Oh, by the way, I had no intention of cashing out. I deregged 19 profitable countries and 2 profitable enterprises and passed on 1 country and 1 enterprise to a friend. I also passed on to the same person a substantial amount of coins (over 1000) that I had amassed since my one and only payment back in early January. My only request to the recipient of said assets and coins was to feel free to use as many as you wish to attack Wendy PS. This is a temporary account I'm using that I needed to conclude some unfinished business which has now been done. And this is my final forum post. Kiteless
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| Monday, July 13, 2009 - 05:34 am SO LAME . . . my poor SteeleKnife Still venting over your past defeats are we? I am really not a threat to anyone. I am just a lady. Yay do you want a pat on the back for trashing your own assets and sending some fake assasin after me. A game. You thought that you could talk your trash in IRC and not get your little eco country smashed, all while I get smacked up on by LDI for essentially the same thing? Seriously, to cry about me like you have for no reason, I must have struck a nerve. You are so "proud" of your self you cant even go by your real nick. SEE JEFFBOY, this is what a sim - coward looks like. Changing his nick. Then admiting to giving someone coins to crush poor old Wendy. See me <==== STILL WENDY. Just wondering Steele, how's that workin for ya? I am having fun Steele, and have long since moved on from the time I smashed your country in Record time. And to think, you were the first n00b crusher to get a taste of your own medicine. You should have learned when I took Treasurers' country that was yours, but was his, and whatever. Whomever the darn thing belonged to, it doesn't matter, you both smell the same to me. After all this time you still holding a grudge d00d? I am honored you had to hire someoneto "take me out". Boy I must have come a long way. That is scary considering, I have a looonger way to go. OH CRAP: PS steele how's that comeback coming? Been waiting on you, to destroy my friends in the UC. Last I checked, GR was pretty peaceful. You been hiding under this alias for months. Empty threats. . . Joke Have a good day, come spend your coins and do it yourself.
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| Monday, July 13, 2009 - 06:00 am It seems that the Game Masters intervened only for Lagunas sake by disabling war on some of the LDI Members for constant declarations. However, Wendy seems to be doing the same yet, Game Masters decides not to do anything. (Not that i have anything against Wendy, just showing an example) Game Masters are very abusive with their powers, Sam bought like a 100 Month War Protection and for some reason it was cut in less than a half and even disabling him from declaring war. Sorry, but this is just pathetic and a sissy play by Laguna and his GM Padres.
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| Monday, July 13, 2009 - 07:46 am Please, Steele wouldn't crush a grape in a food fight. Come play if you want Steele/Kiteless you ain't nothing but a bitch. UC 4 LIFE.
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| Monday, July 13, 2009 - 11:16 am Steeleknife = Kiteless ? Ermm...methinks some of you are getting a touch...confused?...here.
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| Tuesday, July 14, 2009 - 02:58 am Tisk, tisk. News flash, its not any group of players killing this game...wink, wink. The pinktator would be pround, his minions of doom have reached their final epoch...the breaking of the game which leads to banishment. Wild is the poster child of LDI, she is all the we have hoped for. Pure evil, pure talent, pure fun. If wild is banned for her actions, then all that LDI has stood for, or was created for, is now banned IMO. \Blots a tear... The name of LDI should be forever stricken from this game. The game, simply, is unworthy. Laguna, if you had a hand in this then you should be ashamed. If you had a hand in this Im ashamed of you. Barney Rubble
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| Tuesday, July 14, 2009 - 04:50 am CC, I won't even dig trough a butload of IRC logs to show you and others that he is kiteless and dalek, veritas, and Lord knows who else. Everytime I am challenged to get logs I do, and they arent tampered. I just don't think it is worth my time or effort. I'll take my own word for it.
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| Tuesday, July 14, 2009 - 12:07 pm How convenient that you won't paste anything from the IRC logs. When you have pasted something typed by me from the logs including the same IP details as any of those other names, together with the date so it can be verified, then you'll have a valid point, but you can't because it has never happened. I am not anyone else other than Kiteless, as CC has alluded to. He should know as we have chatted many times before in game chat. There is a very good reason why I chose to post something critical about you after I had quit playing. You have repeatedly launched aggressive attacks before on players just because of something they have posted in the forum. I knew what you were all about more or less as soon as I had joined. I didn't wish to have an unstable, confrontational warmonger with a big mouth after me, so I avoided any contact with you. Having said that, I have conversed many times with Jason, Sam and Wild, but because these players are stable, they didn't attack without good reason. I had a good relationship with them and I respected their achievements and standing in the game. You, however, are just pathetic. The joke doing the rounds on SC when I played was that your mood at any given time depended on whether you were on medication or not. So, the onus is on you to deliver proof that I have played under various guises. I believe Dalek was, any maybe still is, Chair of Government Fed. I never joined that fed although I did discuss it with Jason and Sam. My LU main was called Veritas. This does not mean I played under that name. As for Steeleknife, I've seen the name before, but it means nothing to me. The ball is firmly in your court, so put up or shut up I thought I had done my final post. I should have guessed really that I'd have to post another reply. It's typical of you to shoot your mouth off when it isn't justified. That's what you do. I'm not the slightest bit surprised by your first response. It made me laugh, so thanks for the lulz. Kiteless
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| Tuesday, July 14, 2009 - 05:02 pm Steele STFU!!! multi coward twat waddler. The ball has been in your court. You avoided getting into a conflict with me because you sukk. I may be pathetic, and if that is so, there isn't a word accurate enuff to describe your sorry arse. If you have a problem, and it seems you do, you can feel free to attack me like LDI did in its younger days. But I know you won't, cause you are still the lame dude I smakked up earlier. Im hot cause I'm fly. You ain't cause you not. Go back to hiding. You posted again after you said you wouldn't. You have already contradicted yourself after saying you wouldn't post anymore. But again you lied. As is your forte. You are seethrough as they come. Again, with that said, we know who you are. You exposed yourself. So hush, find your little corner and continue hiding coward. Meanwhile, make my name taste like doo doo in your mouth mmmk. I hope that didn't go over your head.
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| Wednesday, July 15, 2009 - 02:14 pm You seem a little rattled, Wendy. Multi? Noooo, not me. I closed one account and opened another temporarily. The trial period is up soon and I'll be gone for good.
I have challenged you to produce evidence from the logs, together with the date. Or you could just post a direct link. Why did I ask for a date? That's simple. I don't trust you. So, where are they? You seem to be struggling with the concept that somebody you've previously had no dealings with doesn't like you, doesn't like the way you play the game and doesn't like the way you taunt and provoke players who have done nothing to deserve it. Wake up and smell the coffee, Wendy, as you say in the US. There are lots of players who feel the same way. I've seen them say it in chat and IRC, but attention is attention to you, whether it's good, bad or indifferent. You're so desperate for it that you even get a buzz from the most negative attention. And don't ask me to name them, it wouldn't be fair. Furthermore, I really couldn't care less if you believe me or not. I'm having fun here and you're making it soooo easy for me. Aww, so I lied about it being my final post. How evil of me. I'm so naughty. Like I said, I'm having fun, that's why. I'm doing many in the SC community a favour and I'm also exposing you for what you are to those who don't already know. The beneficiary of my coins is bound to read this thread at some point and because they're no fan of you either, prepare yourself for a probable assault, if and when you have something worth fighting for. And the best bit is, it won't cost them a penny to do it. They can, if need be, afford to wage a long and sustained war against you for free! How good is that? Have a nice day. Kiteless PS. I see you tried selling your main again, unsuccessfully, like everytime you try. High Profitess? Yeah, right!
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| Thursday, July 16, 2009 - 01:42 am People say alot of things. Most do nothing. You included. So you put some coins up. WoW, I am impressed. . . NOT. Alot of people say they don't like me, who cares, unlike you who can't let a game be a game. Seems to be your time of the month. If you need some personal items I can fed ex you some. STFU and do something. I live this game to fight. Win lose or draw its all the same to me. Live and learn. Keep hopping account dummy, what do I care. You and whoever you are/aren't you're a bum son. Catch a nap, you seem a bit pissy atm. When you grow some nads of your own, try using them and handling your own business.
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| Thursday, July 16, 2009 - 05:54 am LOL go Wendy!
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| Thursday, July 16, 2009 - 06:59 pm I didn't do what I did with the coins to impress you. In fact, apart from my request which was more tongue in cheek than anything else, I didn't do it with you in mind at all, so don't flatter yourself to the contrary. You're in no position to state what's acceptable in-game and what isn't. I happen to know that you tracked down Ameche's Grandfather in real life and hassled him, all because of an in-game feud with Ameche, so don't try lecturing me on behaviour, in-game or otherwise. For that alone, you're sick, twisted, dysfunctional scum. And don't give me this BS about living the game to fight, either. You're a C3 warmonger who loads up crappy countries with debt and declares for the most petty things, such as a forum post. The real fighters in the game put swag on the line when they fight. You don't. You have a track record for sneak attacks, which goes against a CoS commandment and are generally frowned upon by the community. You have also broken numerous peace agreements and treaties. Clearly, you're free to play the game as you see fit, but for you to be critical of others is frankly laughable, not to mention hypocritical. You're the very last person in a position to criticise others. Respect is earned, which is why I have none at all for you. If there was any form of responsible moderation in this forum, you'd have been stopped in your tracks long ago. All your good for is abuse, hypocrisy and false accusations. Your posts on this matter confirms it. So, kinda rich calling me pissy when you've behaved like a 5 year old with Tourettes whose toys have been taken away. I also believe a contributory factor in this is the fact that you can't do anything about it. You'd have declared with C3s by now if I was still playing. I'm still waiting for the logs I challenged you to produce, seeing as you haven't acknowledged making a wrong call. I won't hold out for an apology. I realise it's beneath you to say sorry. Keep on making a tw*t of yourself, Wendy. It's what you do best.
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| Friday, July 17, 2009 - 01:30 am "I happen to know that you tracked down Ameche's Grandfather in real life and hassled him, all because of an in-game feud with Ameche, so don't try lecturing me on behaviour, in-game or otherwise. For that alone, you're sick, twisted, dysfunctional scum." ZOMG, you are Steele, whom I thought to be an Ameche account. Proly are. Who cares? Not me, whoever of the two you may be. NEWS FLASH. Ameche is not related to "Don Ameche" that you googled and got a result of Don Ameche in Queens. In fact Ameche lives in QueensBridge, bka "Da Bridge" he shares a name, but that is about it. Track down someone. That is very creative imagination you have. Grow some nads, then come back let me know when you are ready mmmk. You are getting boring.
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| Friday, July 17, 2009 - 02:33 am Wrong... again! I'm neither. How are you getting along with those logs? I'm well aware of who Ameche is and who Don Ameche is too. I don't need Google to distinguish between a former SC player and an actor. I was privy to a conversation regarding your stalking. One of several where you and your antics were discussed. Most enlightening they were and some were hilarious. Obviously I'm not going to name names. Again, it wouldn't be fair. I didn't expect anything other than a denial from you. It's not in your interests to admit it happened. You can bait me all you like to return, but it's not going to happen. Why the hell would I want to return to this game just to war with debt-ridden C3s and grant you your wish? Get real! I played the econ game for 6 months. I never declared on an active player and I never received any decs against me. I wouldn't come back to this game for anyone, least of all you.
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| Friday, July 17, 2009 - 02:55 am "Why the hell would I want to return to this game just to war with debt-ridden C3s and grant you your wish?" Return? You are posting from an active account now moron!! DUUUHHHHH I'm wondering why the hell you won't shut up, but I am not breaking myself down over it either. Keep talking, you are getting clearer.
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| Saturday, January 16, 2010 - 08:16 pm After 6 months since the massive exodus of LDI, Petra Arkanian AKA Wildeyes or Siva. came back in the same position she was last year, raiding noobs and running off players. Wasn't this enough for you Wildeyes?
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| Saturday, January 16, 2010 - 10:41 pm You're the only war I've fought, Alarich. Stuff it. You had more than 2x my army and more than 3x my assets, and an older account at this point. And I never even got around to taking any of your countries. This little campaign you've cooked up is real mature.
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| Sunday, January 17, 2010 - 01:33 am Forum Gold Vol. 2 So many good memories in this thread LMAO...
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| Sunday, January 17, 2010 - 01:55 pm The past is such a good source of entertainment. And this is on long ass source of entertainment.
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| Monday, January 18, 2010 - 04:58 am Two of my favorite past moments.... laguna calling Vicious an "amoral asshole" in chat.(Mother of all Battles) Wild referring to one of Vicious's long winded private government forum posts as "self masturbatory"(Minority Report) The past is indeed very entertaining.
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| Monday, January 18, 2010 - 02:12 pm That may be because "amoral asshole" has a certain assonance to it. And it befitted Vicious to a T.
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| Monday, January 18, 2010 - 07:22 pm yikes...stalking in RL!?! WTF?
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