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Monday, January 12, 2009 - 09:01 pm  Hello. This a topic intended to inform sim citizens of a few misconceptions of NULO and the injustices that are employed in undermining sincere efforts to get this movement off the ground. At first. I really didn't care much for the Idea. In time I had come to realize that in fact it was a great IDEA at the very least. Many Vets would say that this is terrible. It is meant for King to rule the world with its devices. Its evil incarnate and so on. Actually this is nowhere near having any truth in it. Those kind of statements are the Vet establishments attempts to remain in a shadow ruling coalition that dominates the SC landscape.They wish t retain power and keep it in place so that no one will be able to change what is already in place. Under normal circumstances, I would say that what is in place does in fact work. But it is much more complicated than that. There are way too many double standards that apply. For instance, a vet, in his military hat, would boldly do something that is taboo for a new player to do. Yet the establishment will hold new players accountable and appease the veteran. There have been instances where where the double standard is exposed and then the vet, counting on relationships with other vets, will fabricate justification for such blatantly wrong action. Do not confuse what I am saying. I have had good and bad experiences with new and vet alike. Most Vets are very helpful, willing, and able to be very humble and key to new player development. But Heaven forbid a player cross paths with a player who is a vet, and exchange insult for insult on the forum. Or simply not immediately bow in obesiance to a veterans threats of unjustified action, when things could be averted through other means. When this happens, a more powerful player will almost always dominate the new player, which is exactly why this kind of action is not even necessary to avoid adverse consequences to either party. The NLUO if implemented, would consist of 144 members. Individuals, not empires, but presidents that would reflect a larger portion of LU. And accurately reflect the community as a whole. Implementing policy to better avert large scale wars which have been waged. And not continue such wars without being held in lieu of the community having a working in any process regardless if it be peace and/or war. Many will come out against this IDEA and say adverse things about it, based purely on negative bias, or selfish motives. The reason in my eyes that an elite group of vets disagree with this based purely on unjustified hunger and appetite for power, is that a coalition of nations would threaten to overrule the few powerful voices and have an opposition of majority decision that could one day drown out powerful in favor of the many. This kind of decision making need be made especially in times of conflict to stop wars that only a few wish to perpetuate while the community grows tired. I am saying this without prejudice, because ATM I indeed without going into rhyme or reason am one of the ones that wishes to continue in blood wars, so I am indeed showing how this kind of organization of parties would even sometimes disagree with myself, and hold me even accountable. Not just those who are at odds with me. If and when it is completed as an organization it would stand to give every one on LU voice to be heard, and give weight to the voice of community. Not just the powerful few. There are many vets, but true power, rests on a very elite group of a few of them, and they are indeed active in executing the issues of retaining such power. We all know absolute power IS corrupt. And to resist the checking of corruption is to show true intentions of the corrupt forces. They indeed reveal themselves as the ones in power, willing and able to be corrupt. NLUO looks forward to listening to the concerns of any interested members of LU. Please refrain from basing rebuttals based purely on personal issues and petty arguments that will ruin this discussion. I thank the level heads in advance. Any is welcomed to comment even Q  Sincerely Wendy (E)Party Chairwoman of the Little Upsilon Institute Political Think Tank ChairWoman of The SOL Federation The High Profitess Eternal of The Philadelphian Empire Proud Elite Party Member of THE ONE and ONLY NLUO
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| Monday, January 12, 2009 - 09:18 pm "The NLUO if implemented, would consist of 144 members." Out of 1748 presidents. In other words, this purported "World Government" will only represent 8.24% of the presidents of LU. The other 91.76% of the presidents will simply ignore the jurisdiction of this alleged "World Government." I am very interested in just how exactly this World Government intends on bringing the vast majority of LU to heel.
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| Monday, January 12, 2009 - 09:18 pm I could not have said it better myself, but I am quickly shut up, and the thread slandered, and my nation boycotted, and attacked... That is what I have been trying to convey, and many others, the same thing. President Wendy was just elegant enough to put it all in one post. Bravo President Wendy. I salute you in your coming out against what we all knew from the beginning, LU is ran in the shadows, and they love their power. Well all of the NLUO are here to say: POWER TO THE PEOPLE. RETURN THE SOVERNITY TO THE NATIONS OF LU IN THE FORM OF A CENTRALIZED WORLD GOVERNMENT SERVANT TO THE NATIONS OF LITTLE UPSILON. OUR PEOPLE UNITED WILL NEVER BE DEFEATED!!!
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| Monday, January 12, 2009 - 09:19 pm Wendy, King's original proposition only allowed for 48 members to be in it. This one allows for 144. How will these 144 presidents be chosen may I ask. *NOTE TO ALL* DO NOT SPAM THIS! SOME MAY BE INTERESTED IN HOW THIS WORKS LETS LET THEM HAVE THEIR VOICE BE HEARD! With Regards, Dragoon
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| Monday, January 12, 2009 - 09:20 pm Wendy, Since this is your thread, I wish to leave a couple serious questions: 1.) How is this different from a federation? 2.) How does it give someone a voice - beyond what this forum already provides? 3.) How would the NLUO stop a war? 4.) How would the NLUO try to control existing federations? 5.) If the two largest federations on LU refuse to take part, how can it be affective?
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| Monday, January 12, 2009 - 09:21 pm Look Keith, they can ignor it, and we will band together as a central government, and make thier life on LU unpleasant by boycotts, and security resolutions. If nations don't do unjust things, they won't have the NLUO in their face. This mainly for large emires because generally new and small nations don't do corupt or unjust things. It is the larger more experienced players who do the bad things...
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| Monday, January 12, 2009 - 09:24 pm The main problem I see with this, isn't a matter of whether or not its a good idea. Its a matter of, the majority of the community has rejected it time and time again. Federations like VS and SNA are basically similar to the NLUO, without all the extra stuff that isn't needed. Even the NLUO is based on elite party membership and such. People should be held accountable for their actions, I agree. Maybe the Security Council should be elective in nature for the non-top rank members? Hold elections every real life month or two. I'm sure others could expand upon that concept more. Then, give the Security Council a little more power to settle disputes. Maybe the NLUO should be more FLEXIBLE with regard to what the majority wants. Obviously, most completely disagree with the whole concept. Find out how people would want to set something like this up, and maybe you might have a better shot. Rather than King's setup or no setup. Q
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| Monday, January 12, 2009 - 09:24 pm First of all Keith, when implimented it will start with 48 members, as more presidents sign on it will swell to 144 members.. We believe that 144 members should be able to handle all of the diversity of LU.
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| Monday, January 12, 2009 - 09:28 pm Quote from King: Look Keith, they can ignor it, and we will band together as a central government, and make thier life on LU unpleasant by boycotts, and security resolutions. If nations don't do unjust things, they won't have the NLUO in their face. This mainly for large emires because generally new and small nations don't do corupt or unjust things. It is the larger more experienced players who do the bad things... So you wish to impose the wish of a minority (144 out of 1748) on the majority. You wish to force people into the NLUO, with boycotts and security council resolutions. Many small and new nations do unjust and corrupt things. Take a look at all the noobs wanting nukes. I don't see how this is different from the federations we already have, except that you wish to control everyone else through the NLUO. Q
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| Monday, January 12, 2009 - 09:28 pm @ Keith, thx for your commments Given how disorganized LU is, an attempt to consolidate as many presidents as possible into an active policy making entity, ahould NOT be a bias for reasons not to attampt such an undertaking. Dare to be Bold. Do what has not been done before. Or why not at least be aggressive enough to try? How many of those presidents should be active? Certainly not that many in the figure you stated. I hear you concerns but I think that they don't really constitute a legitimate reasons to abandoning the IDEA @Dragoon After more seats are filled many new ones will be made to accurately reflect all members of LU willing to participate. The Structure is fluid adapting to needs of the community. If it needs to be changed, it will become changed when necessary and at the discretion of the members that make up its membership. There is room yet still for even further improvement. When the needs arise they will be addressed. I now yield back the floor.
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| Monday, January 12, 2009 - 09:29 pm Except King - 144 presidents only equal 8.24% of LU leaders as Keith pointed out. Could you tell us how you aim to have a world government with such a small percentage of players involved? By the way - you may have noticed that i'm holding off the attacks, hoping that you will agree to a diplomatic solution.
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| Monday, January 12, 2009 - 09:32 pm Q- It might surprise some players to know how democratic Seven Nation Army is. We have a weekly assembly, a forum where we vote on and discuss issues, and we have a Constitution, which guarantees the independence and sovereignty of every member state. Seven Nation Army is simply a community of friendly players. As a federation we are totally committed to peace and security on Little Upsilon. Check out our Web site to see how Seven Nation Army is a democratic and effective organization on Little Upsilon. http://web.mac.com/mburckhalter/iWeb/SevenNationArmy
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| Monday, January 12, 2009 - 09:33 pm 1.) How is this different from a federation? 2.) How does it give someone a voice - beyond what this forum already provides? 3.) How would the NLUO stop a war? 4.) How would the NLUO try to control existing federations? 5.) If the two largest federations on LU refuse to take part, how can it be affective? Here are the answers to your questions: 1.It is different from a fed in the sense that all of the feds in the NLUO integrate, and are apart of the Military complex. That is one aspect of the war machine. 2.It gives really smaller nations a voice because they are drowned out by all of your I am a big great nation talk, and as soon as a smaller nations has an idea, and speaks out against a larger nation, that nation is pounced on. So it will just equalize the power in the larger nations. 3.The NLUO will stop a war by first diplomatic means on the simcountry forums, and private emails to that nation. We set up a peace deal, and if the parties don't agree, there can be a public vote on the actions of the 2 nations and who is right. If they are just defiant and not attacking anyone, we will just set up security council resolutions, and boycotts.. But if that nation attacks someone then they will face the full onslaught of the NLUO Military complex. 4. They would control existing feds by the chairman of the feds who are apart of the NLUO. If the fed is not apart of the NLUO, there will be diplomatic means.. 5. Eventually more new nations will come and grow. More nations will help the NLUO grow.. Eventually it will take hold..
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| Monday, January 12, 2009 - 09:34 pm "Look Keith, they can ignor it, and we will band together as a central government, and make thier life on LU unpleasant by boycotts, and security resolutions. If nations don't do unjust things, they won't have the NLUO in their face. This mainly for large emires because generally new and small nations don't do corupt or unjust things. It is the larger more experienced players who do the bad things... First of all Keith, when implimented it will start with 48 members, as more presidents sign on it will swell to 144 members.. We believe that 144 members should be able to handle all of the diversity of LU. " 1. Veteran players know exactly how to get around boycotts. A boycott would not affect us much at all. 2. Large empires get on the Security Council by being in first place in the rankings. Therefore, to control the Security Council, you must court the very people whom you seek to restrain. How's that working out for ya? The chances of the random seats all being assigned to the NLUO, with only 8.24% of the LU population (at its peak, when all its seats are filled), and thus being able to overrule the vets without vet cooperation, are pretty small. 3. Do you know why you must be a full paid member of SC to get nukes? Because once upon of time SC was infested with a bunch of noobs who thought it'd be funny to build a nuke and launch it at their neighbor for no apparent reason, other than that their free trial was about to expire. So your assertion that small nations are always morally correct is a bunch of BS.
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| Monday, January 12, 2009 - 09:36 pm Okstate, I was pointing out that the NLUO seems LESS democratic than federations. Q
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| Monday, January 12, 2009 - 09:38 pm And I would like to see a response from King and/or Wendy on my two posts above.
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| Monday, January 12, 2009 - 09:38 pm What most of you fail to realize is, that people get bored and quit. If we can make some interaction with all nations, then more people would probably stay on, and play.
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| Monday, January 12, 2009 - 09:41 pm I'm sorry, but I asked Wendy to answer these five questions. I feel that they get to the heart of the issue and deserve a reasonable/serious response. Also, anyone who considers SNA a "military complex" has been smoking something. 1.) How is this different from a federation? 2.) How does it give someone a voice - beyond what this forum already provides? 3.) How would the NLUO stop a war? 4.) How would the NLUO try to control existing federations? 5.) If the two largest federations on LU refuse to take part, how can it be effective?
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| Monday, January 12, 2009 - 09:45 pm 1. Veteran players know exactly how to get around boycotts. A boycott would not affect us much at all. 2. Large empires get on the Security Council by being in first place in the rankings. Therefore, to control the Security Council, you must court the very people whom you seek to restrain. How's that working out for ya? The chances of the random seats all being assigned to the NLUO, with only 8.24% of the LU population (at its peak, when all its seats are filled), and thus being able to overrule the vets without vet cooperation, are pretty small. 3. Do you know why you must be a full paid member of SC to get nukes? Because once upon of time SC was infested with a bunch of noobs who thought it'd be funny to build a nuke and launch it at their neighbor for no apparent reason, other than that their free trial was about to expire. So your assertion that small nations are always morally correct is a bunch of BS. Here are the answers to your statement. 1.As far as getting around boycotts, it doesn't matter. We will take that to the LU community if war is the only option to contain a nation who is threatening peace. We can say to the LU community that we did everything we could before war was declared.. 2.First of all I recruited Bakronesia, and he is on the security council. Like I said nations will come and grow, it is up to us to keep them playing. 3.I have met new players who have gotten full memberships, but are just starting out won't come on the forum because they see what happened to me, and they want to have a chance to build before they get involved in the community. Once you have a full membership, you should be able to have full access to the community without bias.
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| Monday, January 12, 2009 - 09:45 pm OK State_guy Wendy, Since this is your thread, I wish to leave a couple serious questions: 1.) How is this different from a federation? A federation is a smaller group of players dedicated to the interests of said federation. NLUO is and should be dedicated to the views and concerns of the whole of LU not just a federation. Fed s can now have total 25 members, the main parties of NLUO plan to have more than about double that total, not to mention planned future growth. As Keith said, there are upwards of 1700 presidents. I think he meant (number of countries WITH a President) not unique presidents. I don't even think that many people are playing sim country as a whole as full members. When it is up there i will be happy. 2.) How does it give someone a voice - beyond what this forum already provides? The strength is on the majority. Whatever the issue may be, general votes for SC, exclusive polling, voting/proomoting on WAR and Peace Etc. The forum is just that. A forum, nothing anyone says here should have no real policy making impact nor does it i think. When the NLUO decides something, it reflects all its members and would have the support of its members in giving proper weight to even the smallest of voices. 3.) How would the NLUO stop a war? The answer to this question is still undefined. I would not make up a majority as I am only one person, it would assumable be discussed and decided on by membership. What they would or wouldn't do is unpredictable. 4.) How would the NLUO try to control existing federations? They wouldn't, This is not a system of control. I already stated that clearly as has King. 5.) If the two largest federations on LU refuse to take part, how can it be affective? Any party who chooses NOT to take part it is their decision. Agian refusal of anyone to participate is NOT ground for abandoning the idea. Sorry to answer a question with a question. Why would anything need to be necessary of the largest organizations to work? The launch and subsequent success is not hinged on any particular member or federations participation. Another Question, why would the larger feds not participate lest it be out of fear or personal reasons, not leaning to the logic of this organizations benefits to LU? I don't know either Thanks for your questions.
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| Monday, January 12, 2009 - 09:48 pm Well OK state Guy my answers to your questions make to must sense, huh?
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| Monday, January 12, 2009 - 09:49 pm Due to the rapid responses here, I will now yield the floor and get back to comments on a one on one basis, as I can comment accurately on all these complex comments, due to time constraints, Im fighting a war Darnit.
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| Monday, January 12, 2009 - 09:55 pm So you wish to impose the wish of a minority (144 out of 1748) on the majority. You wish to force people into the NLUO, with boycotts and security council resolutions. To answer to this, These 144 are elected officals by the public, and members. So it is a representative centralized World government servant to the people of Little Upsilon...
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| Monday, January 12, 2009 - 09:55 pm Point of clarification: "As Keith said, there are upwards of 1700 presidents. I think he meant (number of countries WITH a President) not unique presidents." I meant unique presidents. The other night I downloaded the spreadsheet of every nation with a president on SC, filtered out president duplicates (i.e. more than one hit for the same president), and the result was 1748 countries. Insofar as King's responses to me... "1.As far as getting around boycotts, it doesn't matter. We will take that to the LU community if war is the only option to contain a nation who is threatening peace. We can say to the LU community that we did everything we could before war was declared.." I could take this to mean that the NLUO intends to threaten the existence of nations that do not tow its party line, but I will instead take this as the rantings of someone who has no skill at persuasion, and allow you to clarify, Wendy. EDIT: "So you wish to impose the wish of a minority (144 out of 1748) on the majority. You wish to force people into the NLUO, with boycotts and security council resolutions. To answer to this, These 144 are elected officals by the public, and members. So it is a representative centralized World government servant to the people of Little Upsilon... " Somehow I get the feeling that those 144 would be the only ones VOTING. It is unrealistic to expect to bind the 91% who wouldn't vote in such an election, to its outcome. Unfortunately for you, sovereignty in this game lies with the presidents, who can choose whatever course of action they will.
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| Monday, January 12, 2009 - 09:56 pm Okstate, I was pointing out that the NLUO seems LESS democratic than federations How?
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| Monday, January 12, 2009 - 10:01 pm could take this to mean that the NLUO intends to threaten the existence of nations that do not tow its party line, but I will instead take this as the rantings of someone who has no skill at persuasion, and allow you to clarify, Wendy. No, Keith I am not saying that, and I apologize if I seem aggressive.. I am not good with description, forgive me... If we do not institue this government or nations who just will not recognize the government, we won't even acknowledge their existence. We will just deal with nations who will acknowledge the government, and if it grows to a point where the nations who don't like it may get caught up in it, we will just have to cross that bridge when we come to it..
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| Monday, January 12, 2009 - 10:01 pm Keith you could . . . but then you wouldn't make sense, and of the 1700 presidents you came up with, how many are actual full members? Not as many. Probly even a small fraction. However Keith, I asked that this not be made a personal BS thread, and not make it one, you will now be ignored in the thread by me becuase of your argumentative tones with Hezekiah and insulting responses. No need for that here. You have been excluded. Sorry.
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| Monday, January 12, 2009 - 10:03 pm This government will in no circumstance get in the way of nations who just want to have a peaceful game away from the community. Those nations just won't be acknowledged.
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| Monday, January 12, 2009 - 10:07 pm Thank you Wendy. I appreciate your candor. I realize this is still in the 'idea' phase and you may have some issues left to iron out. Seven Nation Army is perhaps the largest single organization on Little Upsilon when it comes to president participation. We consist of nearly 20 branches. More than 60 some individual players make up Seven Nation Army. One day we may even reach the lofty numbers you both hope for. I'm just confused as to what the NLUO would do that is not already being done by Seven Nation Army, and our good friends in Valde Subsidium? I would like for that to be made clear? Remember we have a different world view about recent events. In my very short time on Little Upsilon I have never witnessed Seven Nation Army or Valde Subsidium engage in a major war. To me they are the two most peaceful entities on Little Upsilon. That said, I can not say the same of the NLUO leadership. That might not be fair, but that is my world view. I'm just still not sure how this would work? Would the NLUO only exist on a Web site? Would it manage the LU forum? Would it regulate the chat rooms? Would members join a NLUO fed at some point?
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| Monday, January 12, 2009 - 10:11 pm "However Keith, I asked that this not be made a personal BS thread, and not make it one, you will now be ignored in the thread by me becuase of your argumentative tones with Hezekiah and insulting responses. No need for that here. You have been excluded. Sorry." LOL. You have in the past been guilty of far, far worse insults. "Argumentative tones with Hezekiah?" I thought the point of this whole thread was to answer the reservations that members of the community had about the NLUO. I suppose I can never, ever, ever question Teh Uber World Government, LOL! I will leave this thread now, as per your wishes.
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| Monday, January 12, 2009 - 10:11 pm ok state guy, This isnt a system of control, I for one downt regulate chat rooms, forums, or anything alse, are you sying that that is what SNA and VS do, control things as they are now? I thought that was what you were implying. Am I correct?
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| Monday, January 12, 2009 - 10:12 pm @Kieth, I would like to involve you again and address your concerns, but you are only seeking to throw us off topic by throwing insults and creating dissension. Sorry, maybe we could talk 1 to 1 another time.
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| Monday, January 12, 2009 - 10:13 pm The main problem I see with this, isn't a matter of whether or not its a good idea. Its a matter of, the majority of the community has rejected it time and time again. Federations like VS and SNA are basically similar to the NLUO, without all the extra stuff that isn't needed. Even the NLUO is based on elite party membership and such. People should be held accountable for their actions, I agree. Maybe the Security Council should be elective in nature for the non-top rank members? Hold elections every real life month or two. I'm sure others could expand upon that concept more. Then, give the Security Council a little more power to settle disputes. Maybe the NLUO should be more FLEXIBLE with regard to what the majority wants. Obviously, most completely disagree with the whole concept. Find out how people would want to set something like this up, and maybe you might have a better shot. Rather than King's setup or no setup. Q I will post this again for Wendy and King to see, so maybe I can get a response.
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| Monday, January 12, 2009 - 10:14 pm Keith, We just want substance. I am trying not to be agressive with my point or the points of the government.
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| Monday, January 12, 2009 - 10:15 pm Wendy, you have MSN? PM Evil Woody Thoughts 0 CEO tax, please
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| Monday, January 12, 2009 - 10:19 pm @Quaxocal The NLUO is attempting to help with that process of giving the Security council more power with a centralized world government backing it's resolutions militarily if neccessary for the sake of peace.. People are going tp try the strength of the government. That is human nature. We need people to sign onto the set up, and build from there. Did the founding fathers go out all over to find out what everybody wanted? No, they made the best government that they could at the time, and built and modified it from there. We have a foundation, let's build the house.
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| Monday, January 12, 2009 - 10:19 pm I'm against any and all attempts to "centralize" the way I play the game. Whenever two players get mad at each other, I don't want to have to go and vote on it. I don't want to have to elect someone else to vote on it for me, either. I want to let those players fight it out and just ignore the situation. If myself and/or someone in my federation are dragged into the conflict, then it is time to take action against the offending player(s). This is how SimCountry has been played and is how I would prefer to see it remain. It is in my view simply an added level of bureaucracy tacked on to a place(a game, no less!) where /it just isn't necessary. SimCountry is a dog-eat-dog world. Some people rise to the top. Some are squashed. Some who are on the top, are toppled and lose power. That is what makes the game interesting. Having some centralized government forcing resolutions to all conflicts will make this game very, VERY dull. And actually, conflict is what makes LIFE ITSELF interesting! Of course, not all conflicts must come in the form of wars where people are killed and lives are ruined. In fact, those sorts of conflicts should be avoided where possible. But, you see, SimCountry wars are not wars of this sort. SimCountry wars are a simple and harmless competition between players. Despite how emotional some players get over their countries, no one is actually, physically harmed by fighting a SimCountry war. With regard to the notion that veteran players have a bigger voice in conflicts than new ones do... I think there is a good reason for this. New players should not come in, jump on the forum, and start trying to dramatically alter the way things are. Instead they should play for a bit and get a feel for the game and its community, THEN start to add their voice to discussions. Opinions that are based on experience and knowledge are simply worth more than ones that are not. Perhaps those new players, once they become veterans, will still want to say and do the same things as when they were a new one. Hopefully, though, by then they will have enough military might, understanding of the game, and a good federation to put some teeth behind their words. I think that if new players want their voices to be heard, they should join a good federation like SNA or VS that helps new players to learn the game and get on their feet.
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| Monday, January 12, 2009 - 10:20 pm Q no need to respond to most of that. I have given you advice once before, If you don't want to join, don't its your choice to make. It will be set up as is, and when members sign on, it ill be adjusted to fit the needs and wishes of its members,. If you want to have a say in that you should join. If you don't , then don't. Thanks for your questions and concerns.
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| Monday, January 12, 2009 - 10:22 pm @Lolosaurus, if you read the whole thread, you would see that we said that we would not get in the way of a nation who wanted to not be apart of the community or recognize the NLUO
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| Monday, January 12, 2009 - 10:23 pm I respect a whole LOT of what lolosaurus has said, but tis a dog eat dog world, you can let it be as is or make your stamp on it. Either way its at the discretion of the player who is making the decision. I respect yours. Please respect our decision to undertake it. Thx
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| Monday, January 12, 2009 - 10:25 pm Most players though would rather deal with the existing structure as set up by Simcountry, rather than something which you have setup. Especially with you both being so controversial in nature. Why not just give the Security Council more power and have the majority of it directly elected? This fulfills the functions of the "NLUO" in the current game setup without all the extra trappings and forcings. Most federations are organized similarly in some respects to the NLUO, without wanting to be a world government. People want some freedom of action. Look at countries of the world. Its the same way. The difference between the founding fathers and you, is they were elected to the Continental Congress. Your NLUO is something you personally set up, and now you are trying to get everyone else to adhere to it. Most people are happy with their current federations. The majority that you seek, does not want your idea of world government. Neither does W3C or they would have implemented something like it. Q
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| Monday, January 12, 2009 - 10:26 pm @Lolosaurus You are promoting a form of central power with no accountability,and that drives away nations. Do you want to grow simcountry or just who ever or what ever? The betterment of the game must not be your focus. I am being as nice as possible, please reply..
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| Monday, January 12, 2009 - 10:28 pm Wendy, I can't speak for others, but Seven Nation Army, as it stands now, is only focused on the needs and concerns of its members. We are fairly open with membership and welcome just about anyone. Look at our many successful young players? We seek out new players every day. We add them to our ranks, train them, and help them expand and grow. I believe we are a positive, peaceful force on this world. I'm just not really sure what the NLUO would actually do? We already have a security council? We already have a chat room? We have this forum? Our community has been provided all of these tools from the game master. Maybe you two are looking to change the rules of the game? WildEyes posted a very interesting game rule change a few days ago under general. It was really something to think about. I know I for one am bogged down in mentoring new players. I doubt I would have the time, will or desire to sit through anymore meetings. I'm also concerned that this plan would take away some of the fun of this game. After all, this is a war game as much as anything else. The threats, diplomacy, personalities and uncertainties is what makes this game fun!
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| Monday, January 12, 2009 - 10:28 pm According to W3C, king, more people are signing up every day and stick around. Your concept of a world government or lack of, is not causing people to play or not play. Maybe you should propose your idea directly to W3C, and get their comments on it? Actually, this is a GOOD idea. Then you will see why it won't happen. Q
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| Monday, January 12, 2009 - 10:33 pm Well all of the founding fathers were not elected officials, and yes they did just create a republic, and sold it to the American people. Most people can stay happy with their feds, But new nations coming in will grow it. If it was not wanted by the majority, there would not be over 30 presidents interested but afraid to get attacked.. I checked most of them when they emailed me, and most of them had full memberships. I say 21 out of the 30 had full memberships. YOu all with your harsh retoric scare nations off the game..
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| Monday, January 12, 2009 - 10:34 pm I did get their comment on it, and they liked it. I just had to run it to the community.
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| Monday, January 12, 2009 - 10:35 pm Obviously we are having a lot harder time selling it to the community than W3C.
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| Monday, January 12, 2009 - 10:40 pm King, you might want to brush up on your history. The Continental Congress was made up of delegates chosen by state legislatures, which were directly elected. The Articles of Confederation Congress also was a representative body from each state. Q
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| Monday, January 12, 2009 - 10:42 pm "The difference between the founding fathers and you, is they were elected to the Continental Congress. Your NLUO is something you personally set up, and now you are trying to get everyone else to adhere to it. " Wrong. As stated by King previously we are setting up an organization for the community to become a part of and allow each member to vote on representation. Do you wish to become an LU resident and subsequent member of NLUO in order to affect its policies. The decision is yours. You can criticize all you want, but if you want to have say in it, you need become a member and vote, bring up your issues and have them resolved. Until then, your voice in the matter of policy or function of NLUO is null and void. I encourage your participation, but again that is entirely up to you.
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| Monday, January 12, 2009 - 10:46 pm Any is welcomed to comment even Q I'm doing just that.
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| Monday, January 12, 2009 - 10:48 pm OK, Heres what. I'm in the need for some lulz. I will join.
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| Monday, January 12, 2009 - 10:50 pm you cant be serious Stuart youve rejected the idea ever since king first created it.
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| Monday, January 12, 2009 - 10:51 pm Indeed Q I take no offence, you havnt recieved any decs today have you? Im just stating that to make a real change as pertains to your concerns or suggestions, that will be solely upon the shoulders of the NLUO members which in theory, should eventually consist of the LU public.
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| Monday, January 12, 2009 - 10:55 pm go to the Elite party chat, the lot of you, and I will take off the security off so we all can talk there.
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| Monday, January 12, 2009 - 10:55 pm General X - I need lulz!!!!! Anyway King - wouldnt it be better in IRC!!!!!!!
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| Monday, January 12, 2009 - 10:58 pm I hear what Q is trying to say, and I believe he is being misinterpreted. Seven Nation Army was formed by several like minded presidents. They together drafted and ratified our Constitution. They even included in our Constitution the ability to both scrap it or simply amend it. They knew that future growth and members would require innovations and changes. (You can view the SNA Constitution here: http://web.mac.com/mburckhalter/iWeb/SevenNationArmy) I believe Q is saying that you might get greater support if you opened the process up to the entire community. Why not scrap your original proposal, and invite leaders of the major feds, empires and active new players to a convention to draft a new one. Allow all of LU to have a say in the construction of the NLUO. This would bring a great deal of knowledge, concerns and ideas to the table. All of which could be learned from, and might lead to a document that could be accepted by all. Coming from a democratic federation like Seven Nation Army, I believe our many members would demand representation in the drafting of such a world government.
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| Monday, January 12, 2009 - 11:10 pm I understand as well, but policies need not be steered by outside infuences, but by the members. When the public joins the NULO it will be adequately represented. And OKSG . . . many of SNA members have or had no say in the drafting of the charter you follow. Am I right? It doesn't mena that they can't or won't as is the case with NLUO.
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| Monday, January 12, 2009 - 11:12 pm er......HELLOOOOOO????????? I wanna join NLUO Let me in!
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| Monday, January 12, 2009 - 11:14 pm Stuart we are both in IRC where are you?
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| Monday, January 12, 2009 - 11:20 pm Wendy, I agree with you to a certain degree. It is fine to provide a solid blueprint, but you are asking the entire world community to accept this. I doubt that will ever happen unless they get a say from the beginning. I am trying to respond seriously. As for Seven Nation Army, I was not a member of SimCountry when it was founded just a few short months ago. So no, I did not take part in the drafting of the Constitution. However, many people did take part and the symphony of their united voices created a very well thought document that serves us incredibly well. Our members have the option to adjust it, or create a new one. I am simply suggesting that you take your general idea, and open it up to greater input. The current effort is not working, and I doubt, as it stands now, will ever be accepted. So if this is a true goal that you both wish to see accomplished, I think it would be best to begin a global convention to create a government. We should all have a say in the development of such an organization. Otherwise, do you really think this is going to happen? (I do not have IRC)
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| Monday, January 12, 2009 - 11:29 pm OksG you are just repeating youself while ignoring what is required for anyone affect things in NLUO, you need be a member.
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| Monday, January 12, 2009 - 11:32 pm Wendy, You are proposing a world government. Am I not a member of the world?
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| Monday, January 12, 2009 - 11:39 pm I am not proposing anything, I am supporting an idea. Yes you are a part of the world, but not apart of NLUO. May I count you in?
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| Monday, January 12, 2009 - 11:47 pm First Off Wendy, I would like to thank you for answering my previous question in the manner that you did. Next. Somewhere in here I read something along the lines that, if members went to war you would go to vote on what action to take. Now I have 2 scenarios I would like you to explain how the NLUO would react to. 1. An NLUO member against a non NLUO member NLUO declared. 2. 2 non NLUO members. Last. I would like to know how you plan to stop any abuse of power within NLUO that you claim the bigger feds abuse. With Regards, Jack Frost
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| Tuesday, January 13, 2009 - 12:03 am No. Like the rest of Little Upsilon, I haven't had a say, or even representation, in the proposals drafting. I also can't see how many others have had much say. That is my biggest problem with this. Nobody else was included in its creation. If you two would like to open up a dialog with myself, and include a large portion of the LU community, I would be willing to work on something truly global. For it to be global you would have to be willing to remove all religious symbolism from the organization. As of now this only represents the thoughts, ideas and beliefs of one person. I'm not saying that the general idea does not have merit, but it doesn't reflect the entire world. If Little Upsilon was to ever establish a world government than everyone should have the opportunity to be a part of its development. Until then I can't even consider joining. I think I might take it upon myself to work with others to draft an outline for a general LU document. Something similar to the South African Freedom Charter, the American Declaration of Independence, or the French Declaration of the Rights of Man and Citizen.
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| Tuesday, January 13, 2009 - 12:04 am I would not know how the community would respond to such action, therefore the answer is still undefined as I dont represent everyones vote, only my own.
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| Tuesday, January 13, 2009 - 12:10 am @ oksg I am not proposing anything, I am supporting an idea. Yes you are a part of the world, but not apart of NLUO. May I count you in?
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| Tuesday, January 13, 2009 - 12:13 am Wendy, I appreciate your position. My answer to that question is directly above. With out say or representation in the initial development of such a world government, and having seen what has been proposed, I can not join. But I am not closing the door to dialog, simply proposing a way to actually accomplish this goal.
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| Tuesday, January 13, 2009 - 12:24 am Dialougue is acceptable, debate even, but for actual porposals for adjusments, that would have to come from within. Thx.
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| Tuesday, January 13, 2009 - 12:37 am Well... Then this isn't truly a 'global' organization. I am trying to offer a way for it to become just that. A way for it to represent everyone and all their ideas. Now that would be something special.
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| Tuesday, January 13, 2009 - 12:39 am We dont need an offer, it is already what it is, if you join fine. We don't need permission from you to be allowed to do it. Thx.
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| Tuesday, January 13, 2009 - 12:53 am Wendy. You can not accomplish a world government without everyone. That is the problem. 100, 200 or even 300 players will never be able to govern the world. All must be represented or it is a fraud. I will not join because the world is not involved.
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| Tuesday, January 13, 2009 - 01:35 am Thats fine oksg, however many we have or don't its a start and . . . we'll manage.
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| Tuesday, January 13, 2009 - 01:41 am Listen, if all who are interested would join we can iron out differences later. register, and put what country you are from. Then we will add your country, and you will recieve updates.
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| Tuesday, January 13, 2009 - 01:54 am What is wrong with the way things are? A n00b...You... talked smack on the forums, were slapped down for it and have been attacking everyone for 7 months. The only reason you survive is secured mode. Don't give us the poor little Wendy spiel please. Don't like the situation seek and end to it. Some n00b Federation is not going to change the resentment felt by me or anyone else towards you. All you are doing is adding targets for extermination.
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| Tuesday, January 13, 2009 - 02:30 am What in the heck are you talkin about Sammy. Don't you mean poor lil LDI "we want peace" spiel? Yes you do. You lost don't cry, its not my fault, just hush and move on, and its going to be ok.
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| Tuesday, January 13, 2009 - 04:06 am This is the longest, most civil discussion I have ever read on the LU forum pages. And, it is moderated by Wendy with input from King H regarding the NLUO? Who made the Kool-Aid and why didn't I get any?
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| Tuesday, January 13, 2009 - 04:44 am I'll send you a pitcher of it with those invites.
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| Tuesday, January 13, 2009 - 05:10 am Lost what? I have beaten you and every assorted asshat that you con into fighting for you. Just because you deny a fact does not make it so. So back to NLUO. How is this going to change anything? 1. The only terrorist I see on LU is named Wendy. Will the NLUO strike her dead with magic beans? How is the NLUO going to change you is my question. 2. Why should any president pay attention to such nonsensical statements as "power" or "establishment". The only problems I see anyone having once again are you two. The vast bulk of the players have no issues. Except when their real life personalities cause conflict. Other than war their is no possible way to impact another country. Thus any such notion of power is ridiculous. We are players. We have just played for a longer time. 3. What is wrong with the Security Council as it exists today. It gives out aid to new players. That's its only purpose. Why change something that works? 4. Why would any reasonable player with prior knowledge of your conduct be associated with you? You claim freedom but your idea of freedom conflicts with others right to exist in peace. Therefore you are fighting for the right to be a pest. Is that the purpose of this organization? To protect the annoying and give them some sort of sim power to harass and inflict their ideas on the rest of the players? With you involved that's my view. Please elaborate.
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| Tuesday, January 13, 2009 - 05:46 am 1. The only terrorist I see on LU is named Wendy. Will the NLUO strike her dead with magic beans? How is the NLUO going to change you is my question. I don't see the NLUO declaring on me for dumb reason, LIKE you and countless others have, so there will be no need for the NLUO to change anything. The question is, what will you do Mr Morals, to ensure that you don't create another person like me, who is tired of your crap and doesn't care what you do? You and LDI created who I am, I have begun using YOUR standards for Decs and intolerance on the forums. Now all is worng. This is the double standard I speak of. Its ok for you to act like an asshat, but not me. Hmmm. Appropriately the question is, what will YOU do to take responsibility for who you have created?? Where is this great sense of community now? Nowhere, you only wish to look untouchable to the public and , shout"do as i say, not as I do." Elaborate on that, What will you do. Becuase every aggressive approach has been hostile and military in nature and has only served to destabilize the LU community, when will YOU take responsibility for YOUR actions and how will YOU try to avert another person having to act like me? Do tell Mr Morals. Didn't you host that show, "Sam's Morality Corner"? It was cancelled? Well that explains everything.
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| Tuesday, January 13, 2009 - 07:13 am Stuart, you are still decing on my fed, and you said you would not. Do not pay attention to what they say, and deal with me. I am the chairman. deal with me..
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| Tuesday, January 13, 2009 - 10:37 am I could not read through all of the posts. The boring thread insults have a point. Towards the top Keith points out there are 1748 presidents on Little Upsilon. I see 2732. Realistically many of the 2732 "presidents" are people who don't stick with the game. Another large chunk barely take the time to learn how to play. Of the remaining presidents you have active players. You can get an estimate of population density by zooming in on a region and looking for red and purple shaded countries. However, many of experience and expanding players own 10 to 15 countries so that means there are very few. I believe that if you offered a $SC cash reward to anyone willing to log onto a website and post one grammatically correct sentence you will still fail to get 144 people from LU on that site. Real cash and direct messaging might get them to look once.
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| Tuesday, January 13, 2009 - 02:15 pm LMAO Pathetic Sheep I agree wholeheartedly. But I would attribute lack of grammar skills to typing "fast" I for one hate backspacing.
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| Tuesday, January 13, 2009 - 03:40 pm You failed to answer the questions. Instead you brought out the poor pitiful Wendy spiel. /me plays tiny violin.
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| Tuesday, January 13, 2009 - 03:43 pm Jack Frost (Little Upsilon) Monday, January 12, 2009 - 11:47 pm Click here to edit this post First Off Wendy, I would like to thank you for answering my previous question in the manner that you did. Next. Somewhere in here I read something along the lines that, if members went to war you would go to vote on what action to take. Now I have 2 scenarios I would like you to explain how the NLUO would react to. 1. An NLUO member against a non NLUO member NLUO declared. 2. 2 non NLUO members. Last. I would like to know how you plan to stop any abuse of power within NLUO that you claim the bigger feds abuse. With Regards, Jack Frost
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| Tuesday, January 13, 2009 - 03:55 pm You failed to answer the questions. What will YOU do to avert another disaster? Instead you brought out the poor pitiful "Disenfranchised Warmonger Vet spiel."
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| Tuesday, January 13, 2009 - 03:56 pm @Jack I would not know how the community would respond to such action, therefore the answer is still undefined as I don't represent everyones' vote, only my own.
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| Tuesday, January 13, 2009 - 09:10 pm Hmm let me answer. Nothing. You are at best a minor annoyance and your own worst enemy. Watching you phail in such an epic manner has given me many laughs. Now answer the questions Windy.
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| Tuesday, January 13, 2009 - 11:35 pm Johanas, You just gave a perfectly good reason to encourage Heze to keep trying. Shooting NULO down before it gets rolling will deny some people his/her entertainment. Scuzymatt mentioned the "warmonger vet". It should be obvious that people who choose to play and continue enjoying a war game do not have the same tastes as people who choose to play a political game. It is similar to the difference between people who play football and people who sign up for model united nations. If Heze was trying to convince W3C to vastly expand the roll of the UN in the game or change the war game mechanics to benefit majority dictatorship, then you would have a good reason to shoot down the idea before it was implemented. Heze's suggestion does nothing to the game mechanics. If King Hezekiah succeeds in creating some strange form of global government it would give everyone else something to rebel against. If it creates an economic success we get something to pillage. If global government gets overwhelming majority support we can still look forward to the inevitable civil war. Pointing out that the system will be manipulated and abused for the benefit of a few does not mean that it is a bad idea. The power of corruption ensures that conflict will be generated.
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| Tuesday, January 13, 2009 - 11:53 pm "Hmm let me answer. Nothing. You are at best a minor annoyance and your own worst enemy. Watching you phail in such an epic manner has given me many laughs." From a neutral party. You attract more Flies with honey than vinegar. You can't insult someone into coming to the table. example- "B$#ch get your ass over hear!" "No. Go F urself in the A with large WS" thank you, Poobah
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| Wednesday, January 14, 2009 - 02:28 am I wish everyone would not address the NLUO as King's creation. I was not the only one who created it. Here is how the government will work. ELECTIONS:The NLUO elections are held when an Elite Party member's 10 Term is up, and has to run for re-election against an Inner Party contentder. Election day is November 4th of the year the incumbent Elite Party member's 10 year term is up. All NLUO members are encouraged to vote. Both candidates will bring what their credentials are to the table and be voted on by all of the NLUO members. There will be an alert 6 LU months prior to the election. This same process would apply for the outer Party, and the Masses Party as well. We will start out with 48 seats, and as it gains speed, and more nations join, we will balloon to the full 144 members. This is called the Chamber Structure, which is another name for congress. There are 4 political parties The Elite Party: This party is the main Party. It controls the policies, and has the final say in all World issues, War, feds, common markets, terrorism, etc. The Elite Party is the Legislature, and the executive. It has 12 seats for now but will eventually grow to 26 seats. The Elite Party controls the Security Council on LU via 8 NLUO members apart of the LU Security Council at all times. Elite Party members also control the Think Takes, which is where all of the NLUO policies come from. These members are in no way shape or form better than anyone else in this system, but every society must have leaders. The Inner Party: This Party is the opposition to the Elite Party members. Through this party, the LU community, and the Inner Party can vote out Elite Party members who seem to become corupt or the community just do not like them through an election. This party controls the federations, and regulates the Military complex. If this party does not vote on war with a majority, then the Elite Party cannot go to war. The Outer Party: This Party is the opposition to the Inner Party members. Through this party, Outer party members can challenge the Inner Party members for seats in an election. This party regulates the common markets of the NLUO. The Inner Party cannot vote on war without this party voting in a majority to go to war. This party also regulates the Federations. The Masses Party: This is the beginning of the World government. This is the LU public who are apart of the government. This is ground zero right above the federations: This party contends with the Outer Party for seats in an Election. FEDERATIONS in the NLUO: Federations are ground zero of Little Upsilon. These feds are how policy gets across LU, along with common markets, and the Simcountry forums, and polls. All wars will be fought as federations, and not nation against nation. If a nation in the fed starts a war with a nation not in the NLUO, without going through the proper channels. That nation will be brought up on charges of Treason, and voted out of the fed, common market, and the NLUO, and isolated. COMMON MARKETS of the NLUO: Common markets, if enough consolidation can yeild a very cheap World Market, and new nations can profit very quick, and then we can begin recruiting that nation for the NLUO. MILITARY COMPLEX: The military Complex is the military of all of the Federations, and LArge Empires that are apart of the NLUO. This is just a consolidation of militaries, just as a federation does, but on a much larger scale. A scale that any one nation or Empire would be intimidated by. I hope this can clear up anything that is concerned with the NLUO and how it works, and how it is a fair system. No one nation can become to corupt because I can see already, that someone would check that nation, and get him or her booted out of the World Government. It starts with Elections. There is the freedom. What do you all think? Let's get to work installing it, and recruiting members...
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| Wednesday, January 14, 2009 - 03:03 am Seven Nation Army is not a "military complex." We are one of the largest federations on Little Upsilon, but our members are independent states. We are democratic, not a dictatorship. You should become more familiar with our form of federation: http://web.mac.com/mburckhalter/iWeb/SevenNationArmy/Home.html I can't speak for VS, but I can't imagine them 'fitting into' this system the way it is currently structured. It might be best to come up with a new plan with broader world participation.
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| Wednesday, January 14, 2009 - 03:05 am How would it be ensured that the Inner Party remained the "opposition" party to the Elites? How would it be ensured that the Outer Party remained the "opposition" party to the Inners? What would stop the members of any large federation from voting their own members into positions in all parties and therefore controlling the entire structure of the government? How would the World Body enforce its rules if one member violated its charter? If a VS or SNA member in the NLUO dec'd on a nation and the NLUO government voted on sanctions, how would the Elites ensure that the other members of that Fed would not cote in support of the nation that violated the council's vote? I have tried to be open to this idea for the NLUO because I agree it has a potential in theory, but this expanded version of how the structure would work only causes me to question it efficacy. Thanks in advance for your consideration of my questions. Zen.
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| Wednesday, January 14, 2009 - 03:05 am I can't imagine that VS would ever be involved in such a scheme.
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| Wednesday, January 14, 2009 - 03:35 am I can't imagine that Hez or Wendy actually think this could have any chance of success. Seriously, that stretches the limits of my credulity to beyond the breaking point, and I have NO illusions about the stupidity of the masses so saying I don't believe most people would be stupid enough to buy into this says quite a lot. To my way of thinking, that leaves rabblerousing as the only possible reason that they are pushing this agenda so hard, and judging by the number of posts in response to theirs it's working. Can we stop feeding the trolls, please?
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| Wednesday, January 14, 2009 - 03:44 am How would it be ensured that the Inner Party remained the "opposition" party to the Elites? How would it be ensured that the Outer Party remained the "opposition" party to the Inners? What would stop the members of any large federation from voting their own members into positions in all parties and therefore controlling the entire structure of the government? ANSWER:The true nations of honesty, and intergrety will root them out. This government is so tranparent, it won't be hard to see coruption and get rid of it. How would the World Body enforce its rules if one member violated its charter? ANSWER: Diplomacy, Security Council Resolutions, Presidential Boycotts, and small decs through the NLUO Feds to let that nation know the NLUO means business. That is only if the nation is hostile militarily will we use all out war from all federations, and Empires of the NLUO. If a VS or SNA member in the NLUO dec'd on a nation and the NLUO government voted on sanctions, how would the Elites ensure that the other members of that Fed would not cote in support of the nation that violated the council's vote? The Chairmen of the fed would be held accountable, and would face being expelled out as chairman of that fed
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| Wednesday, January 14, 2009 - 03:45 am @Elaieva, please do not be derogatory on this thread. We have gone this long with no bad retoric, let's keep it civil. Thank for you support.
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| Wednesday, January 14, 2009 - 03:47 am @ Stuart, Hey what's going on man? How are you? Are you still decing on my fed? If you are, would you stop? You are riling them all up.. Anyways, good to see ya today...
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| Wednesday, January 14, 2009 - 03:48 am and how are you going to expell a chairman of a fed that wants that person to be chairman?
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| Wednesday, January 14, 2009 - 03:57 am King dude - look at your thread on war and peace. I explained it all there.....
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| Wednesday, January 14, 2009 - 04:02 am "The Chairmen of the fed would be held accountable, and would face being expelled out as chairman of that fed" Reason number one that SNA will never support this. SNA is an independent federation that respects the sovereignty of our members. We are controlled by our members, and not any foreign entity. That statement is a major stumbling block if you actually believe in this idea. New players who are interested in joining a respectable federation should visit: http://web.mac.com/mburckhalter/iWeb/SevenNationArmy/Home.html
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| Wednesday, January 14, 2009 - 04:06 am Sorry King; you don't have my support. Even if I give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you are pushing this so hard with no motives but the most altruistic, at best it's incredibly naive. I would absolutely oppose any attempt to get VS or its subsidiaries to join any "world governing body", not that I think there's any danger of that ... and without the support of the largest fed on the world, good luck with governing it.
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| Wednesday, January 14, 2009 - 04:10 am I mean - whats going to happen if you decide to remove Laguna from the chairmanship of VS King? I will tell you it wont happen - you would find decs on you from everyone in Valde dude..... The same would probably go for SNA too, so without the 2 biggest feds on LU to support you - how will you cope militarily?
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| Wednesday, January 14, 2009 - 04:31 am I guess I still don't see how this works. Let's use an example. The Elite party could be made up of people from your Fed King H. The Inner party could be made up of SNA members. The Outer party could be made up of VS members. What governmental mechanism stops the VS members of the Outer party from banding together with the SNA members of the Inner party and then overthrowing the Elite members? The Elites cannot dec without approval from the Inners which would not happen. It would be a coup from within. Any large Fed could do it alone and dismantle the entire system, or reorganize it to their own gain. SNA probably has enough members to do it now and VS certainly does. I think it is an interesting idea; I just don't find it practical or that it has any way to enforce the policies it votes upon. It seems to rely upon the good faith of the presidents of the world. One needs only to read the forums here to see why that would not work too well. Surely, you King H, can know why it would not work to simply accept that every one will act in good faith for the betterment of everyone else.
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| Wednesday, January 14, 2009 - 04:44 am Zentrino, That is an interesting idea. Indeed, the current SNA and/or VS membership could join and take control of the NLUO. King, How would the world go about joining the NLUO, proposing that it be dismantled and voting for that proposition? J/K
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| Wednesday, January 14, 2009 - 06:34 am If I may speak, I would like to point out that VS does not interfere with how its members run their countries. We are here to help and to be a deterrent if someone were to seek hostile action against you. I have been with Valde for almost a year now, same with Elaieva and Xaldin. I think I can speak for both of them when I say that not once have we been told how to run our country or how to act. We are free to do as we choose as long as we realize there may be consequences to our actions. We are free. If we need help all we have to do is ask and ask anyone and they will respond with possible solutions to your problem then you just have to sort out which one works best for you and/or your country. If VS, SNA, LDI were all part of this or even half part of it, and I decided to go rogue one day and declare on someone outside of your circle of power. You would kick me out and try to kill me, but you would be hard pressed finding presidents within SNA, VS and LDI that would come to your rescue to kill me off. lol I could probably even rally enough support to climb to the top and then pull in enough votes to collapse it in upon itself. With that being said I hope you realize that what you have as of now is severely flawed and needs completely reworked. The best way to do that would be to scrap this concept and talk to the community about what they would be willing to accept. With Regads, Dragoon
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| Wednesday, January 14, 2009 - 09:59 am None of you see the vision. It will grow, and we will go from there.
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| Wednesday, January 14, 2009 - 08:24 pm OKStateguy: Heze answered your question above. You put SNA members into all the vacant seats of the outer party. Then wait for each term of inner-party members to end at which point you vote your members into the inner-party. Then as each elite party term ends you replace them too. Moving into an elite seat could be as quick as 4 real days if you count the first election as 0. The last elite party member's term would take at most 10 days. So you have to hold a global LU majority for 2 real weeks. If 12 of your fed members take the time to gain control of the elite party, dismantling it would be rash. The "think takes" (I assume he meant tanks) would be controlled by your federation's party so dismantling could be your thought. Modifying the election process would be a better idea. Taxes and conscription would be even better. Keep all the NLUO funds in your fed's "secure locations" and use it to build up the strategic reserve forces. Have the world's conscript army fight off the insurgent-former-elites. King Hezekiah, I see the vision. If you need a secure website where we can hold secret ballot elections let me know.
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| Wednesday, January 14, 2009 - 08:32 pm If it wasn't so time consuming I would consider doing it just for fun. If enough presidents organized they could quickly tear down the NLUO from the inside. What would this group be called? "The Conspirators" or "The Little Upsilon Resistance!" Something to consider at least.
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| Wednesday, January 14, 2009 - 11:43 pm The Terrorists????? ;)
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| Thursday, January 15, 2009 - 12:50 am Ok after reading through MOST of the Responses. Hezzy, Prehaps you might get further by suggesting something along the Lines of -the Elite Party members would be majorly comprised of the (Elected) Head of the major FEDS.These Party seats might be Elected for a 2-3 month period of time, then maybe offer the lesser Feds a seat also if not enough seats in the Elite then fill the next level.. then the NLUO would have a system of gorvenment that represented the people the LITTLE guy could take his complaint to the HEAD of the FED he was in and the HEAD could take it to the TOP and maybe a solution could be found. something along these lines should offer some compromise to those who might be open to the idea. then again you would have those who just didn't WANT any changes at all. Regardless, If Hezzy wants to have a FED and try to grow it somewhat peacfully i think he should have the REAL chance to grow it without someone DCing his ASS just because they can't stand the thought of him having a FED.
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Thursday, January 15, 2009 - 01:44 am
I dropped some acid in the early 80's and I had a vision...Does that count?
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Thursday, January 15, 2009 - 07:15 am
Almost. Acid does not grow. Some types of fungi and cacti would.
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| Thursday, January 15, 2009 - 07:17 am Why are we all taking about ways to destroy the system? Why are we not talking about ways we can enhance the system? I think what the current world government has is good, but it needs to be more transparent, where everyone can see, that is why we can up with the idea for a site for the world government People can touch it taste it feel it. A government based on what someone says yields what we have today.. Nations able to dec other nations with no real accountability. Mostly because people get bored. But if they had a plce to direct that borom, or that unrest because of a nation unfairly decing them or their fed... That is the purpose of the NLUO. An Organizational alliance between all nations on wax... or on paper for people who don't kniow what wax means.
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| Thursday, January 15, 2009 - 07:19 am SOrry for the bad grammar. I hoped you had a chance to check out the NLUO updates
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Thursday, January 15, 2009 - 04:28 pm
The idea is flawed and unworkable...all attempts to convey this pertinant information to you have failed. Thus destroying it is the next logical step and full of lulz.
So we should ask permission before we fight other presidents? And who would be in charge of deciding this? You?
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| Thursday, January 15, 2009 - 05:59 pm King this is a game. Lets keep it a fun game.
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| Friday, January 16, 2009 - 03:50 am go to the site www.newlittleupsilonorder.webs.com Go there it will tell you who will decide. I have put everything I could to explain.. If you can'y undersatnd it, you must not want to try it, and if that is the case, why are you even posting.. That is for all desenters.... King Hezekiah E-United Israelite Empire "It's the King that they love to hate"
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| Friday, January 16, 2009 - 03:52 am If you disagree, there is no reason to post, but if you agree, or are interested then post your concerns.. But if you are going to be a closed mind desenter, your posts are as good as propaganda on this thread.
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| Friday, January 16, 2009 - 03:57 am Your site lacks punctuation and all you have done is password protect the "terrorists" page. The official policy of the Fed is password protected so it answers none of my questions. If I disagree I have every right to post. You claim some rule over my gameplay? Isn't that the whole point of this?
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| Friday, January 16, 2009 - 04:08 am Sufficed to say I hear the drums of war....
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| Friday, January 16, 2009 - 04:10 am No one is ruling over your game play...
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| Friday, January 16, 2009 - 04:13 am With your tone there mr Ok State Guy, I would thin you are threatening me, and if it is a promise then you are ruling over my game play. I just have not gone to either of the sites to update or delete. I will do it at my own pace, and if you can not agree with that, then you have a problem with yourself... By the way OK State Guy, I hope your mind does not interpret this as hostile post..
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| Friday, January 16, 2009 - 04:15 am Why are people deleteing posts? That is unfair for the moderators to be take posts from threads, and delete them or move them
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| Friday, January 16, 2009 - 04:16 am Stop delteing posts and moving them around. That is not fair or cool. I will report you to the game masters...
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| Friday, January 16, 2009 - 04:24 am I'm totally lost King? Are you seeing things again? Hearing voices maybe? Now lets run along and update those Web sites like you promised. mmKay?
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| Friday, January 16, 2009 - 04:37 am I opened up the NLUO Structure Page, There are your answers..
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| Friday, January 16, 2009 - 03:21 pm King, I hope you would agree that I have tried to be a neutral observer in this thread. I have asked genuine questions about your proposal because, quite honestly, it intrigued me. I am not a "war player" or a "terrorist." I just thought the idea of a world body might help sort out the many, many wars that get fought on our planet. Here is what I have found: 1. The body you propose seems to have structural inadequacies that would render its decision ineffective were there to be any true threat to peace. 2. The entire model could easily be infiltrated by those who wish to destroy the system or change the system. 3. The website lists a different governmental model than the one proposed here. Namely, the chairman of the Elite party has the power to make the final decisions. It also states that the capital country remains the same and "rotates" the president. This seems infeasible to me and again poses a serious security risk for the organization. This info is found here: http://newlittleupsilonorder.webs.com/capitalcitycountry.htm 4. The World Governing Body should not be a religious organization. We should strive in RL and in game life to allow religious freedom. In no way should this game dictate to anyone what religions they should learn about. Throughout this entire thread, you have never said this was a religious-based organization. This info is found here: http://newlittleupsilonorder.webs.com/godofnluo.htm There are also links regarding dietary law and keeping the Sabbath. I am not sure how anyone knows if that is followed in RL for members or not, but it certainly has no part in a game. 5. The "Laws" listed are the 10 Commandments of the KJ Bible. I don't believe these would be sufficient for governing a world body, especially a government that is make believe and in a game. There seems to be a lot of religious mingling with the governmental mechanism on the site. If you truly want a world body that can help keep peace on LU, I suggest you begin by creating a secular government free from religious entanglements. I have been as open-minded as possible about this. I have never had any conflicts with you and still do not. I continue to be intrigued by the idea of a world body that could represent the interests of the larger community on LU. However, I find this proposal seriously flawed both in governmental mechanics and in religious affiliation. I will not be able to join your organization or support its implementation. I hope you do not think this makes me a terrorist. Should necessary changes be made, I would be willing to revisit the idea. I am certain you will tell me I can change things by joining the organization. But, people don't join groups they disagree with just to change them--you join because you agree with their ideas in the first place. Thank you for your time and consideration. Zen.
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| Friday, January 16, 2009 - 03:40 pm I respect what you said because you did not direct your coments on me personally. I understand your concern about religion, but there is not religion there, It is just the Bible. Religion comes with tradition, the Bible is not tradition. I won't be able to take down the Bible because it is the truth. Whether anyone wants to admitt it.. People try to interpret the Bible, and that is why you have all these religions. We do not research as a people, humans. I put the information there because it is researched. If you take the time out to learn something you will know it. Everyone has a preconceived emotion of what they think is truth, therefore overlooking what the truth is, and calling the truth, what we think it is... We look at free will like it means we can do what we want to do, when in actuality free will is the ability to make a choice. There are only 2 choices in life. Live or die...
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| Friday, January 16, 2009 - 06:07 pm Semantics: the meaning or relationship of meanings of a sign or set of signs ; especially : connotative meaning b: the language used (as in advertising or political propaganda) to achieve a desired effect on an audience especially through the use of words with novel or dual meanings Merriam-Webster Dictionary
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| Friday, January 16, 2009 - 09:13 pm Again, follow the world or the Bible..
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| Friday, January 16, 2009 - 09:15 pm It is your choice. It is funy how people try to make what I say not as impacting by their shrewd comments to make me look bad, but you works are vain...
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| Friday, January 16, 2009 - 09:29 pm
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| Friday, January 16, 2009 - 09:36 pm How?
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| Friday, January 16, 2009 - 09:45 pm I can put down all the Christian traditions with the Bible. That is all I am saying. Truth trumps Tradition, if the Bible is considered the truth in your eyes. If the Bible is not the truth, and a history book in your eyes, disreguard what I say.. I don't want to offend anyone....
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| Friday, January 16, 2009 - 09:47 pm Here they go again. Deleting posts... Please let me know why you are doing that? Please!!
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| Friday, January 16, 2009 - 10:15 pm Anyone else think this thread jumped the shark at about post 58?
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| Saturday, January 17, 2009 - 01:31 am A CASE FOR THE NLUO. prehaps the Nluo shouldn't be a world government but a Federation of nation states.Each Nation State holding a seat in the Nluo Federation partys Chambers.these chamber seats could then be elected to the Elite( or upper chamber) to HELP make the rules that the Federation was run by. Each lower chamber would discuss a rule or decision and pass it up to the next chamber for consideration then when it was ratified by the other chambers it would become Rule of the Federation with the top chamber acting out enforcment on the Federation members it had. Now then the Chairman and Presidentual seats would be open for election on a regular bases while the other seats wouldn't change so often. A Nluo Federation could be modeled after parlament and/or the house of representatives and congress .. with the power of the people within the FEDERATION governing it it's just an idea and then King could have his NLUO and People could see it in action. But before at can be a world body it must first be a FEDERATION
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| Saturday, January 17, 2009 - 04:42 pm Dear NLUO spokes-persons, I do not want to be involved. Thank you for your time. iwin
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| Saturday, January 17, 2009 - 05:30 pm "Dear NLUO spokes-persons, I do not want to be involved. Thank you for your time." iwin Now that is one of the most mature repsonses to proly any post in the forum to date. Hats off to iwin. Thx again
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| Saturday, January 17, 2009 - 07:37 pm Since post 58 this thread went wrong, so ok, here is its true intent. Thx again for your time. Hello. This a topic intended to inform sim citizens of a few misconceptions of NULO and the injustices that are employed in undermining sincere efforts to get this movement off the ground. At first. I really didn't care much for the Idea. In time I had come to realize that in fact it was a great IDEA at the very least. Many Vets would say that this is terrible. It is meant for King to rule the world with its devices. Its evil incarnate and so on. Actually this is nowhere near having any truth in it. Those kind of statements are the Vet establishments attempts to remain in a shadow ruling coalition that dominates the SC landscape.They wish t retain power and keep it in place so that no one will be able to change what is already in place. Under normal circumstances, I would say that what is in place does in fact work. But it is much more complicated than that. There are way too many double standards that apply. For instance, a vet, in his military hat, would boldly do something that is taboo for a new player to do. Yet the establishment will hold new players accountable and appease the veteran. There have been instances where where the double standard is exposed and then the vet, counting on relationships with other vets, will fabricate justification for such blatantly wrong action. Do not confuse what I am saying. I have had good and bad experiences with new and vet alike. Most Vets are very helpful, willing, and able to be very humble and key to new player development. But Heaven forbid a player cross paths with a player who is a vet, and exchange insult for insult on the forum. Or simply not immediately bow in obesiance to a veterans threats of unjustified action, when things could be averted through other means. When this happens, a more powerful player will almost always dominate the new player, which is exactly why this kind of action is not even necessary to avoid adverse consequences to either party. The NLUO if implemented, would consist of 144 members. Individuals, not empires, but presidents that would reflect a larger portion of LU. And accurately reflect the community as a whole. Implementing policy to better avert large scale wars which have been waged. And not continue such wars without being held in lieu of the community having a working in any process regardless if it be peace and/or war. Many will come out against this IDEA and say adverse things about it, based purely on negative bias, or selfish motives. The reason in my eyes that an elite group of vets disagree with this based purely on unjustified hunger and appetite for power, is that a coalition of nations would threaten to overrule the few powerful voices and have an opposition of majority decision that could one day drown out powerful in favor of the many. This kind of decision making need be made especially in times of conflict to stop wars that only a few wish to perpetuate while the community grows tired. I am saying this without prejudice, because ATM I indeed without going into rhyme or reason am one of the ones that wishes to continue in blood wars, so I am indeed showing how this kind of organization of parties would even sometimes disagree with myself, and hold me even accountable. Not just those who are at odds with me. If and when it is completed as an organization it would stand to give every one on LU voice to be heard, and give weight to the voice of community. Not just the powerful few. There are many vets, but true power, rests on a very elite group of a few of them, and they are indeed active in executing the issues of retaining such power. We all know absolute power IS corrupt. And to resist the checking of corruption is to show true intentions of the corrupt forces. They indeed reveal themselves as the ones in power, willing and able to be corrupt. NLUO looks forward to listening to the concerns of any interested members of LU. Please refrain from basing rebuttals based purely on personal issues and petty arguments that will ruin this discussion. I thank the level heads in advance. Any is welcomed to comment even Q Sincerely Wendy (E)Party Chairwoman of the Little Upsilon Institute Political Think Tank ChairWoman of The SOL Federation The High Profitess Eternal of The Philadelphian Empire Proud Elite Party Member of THE ONE and ONLY NLUO
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| Sunday, January 18, 2009 - 03:21 am King, there are MANY people who do NOT consider the Bible as "the truth", as you do. I am one of those. Other religions are NOT founded from the bible as you so state. The Jewish religion uses the Old Testament only. The Christian religion combines the Old Testament and the New Testament. The Muslium religion combines the Old Testament and the Koran. Other major religions have nothing to do with the Bible, such as Buddhism or the Hindu religion. There are MANY others I could list as well. Just because you feel the Bible to be the truth, does not mean everyone else shares your views. The book itself is full of contradictions and tall-tales and other absurd things. Yes, there are some things you can learn from reading it, but most of it is what I have already stated. This is just MY opinion though. However, there is very little scientific proof or fact resulting from the Bible. Until such time there is more, count me as a non-believer. However, I respect everyone's beliefs, whatever they may be. You should do the same and not force Christianity on anyone who wishes to join NLUO. Q
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| Sunday, January 18, 2009 - 04:07 am Q Q Q please. Comon We just redirected this topic. Lets not make it into another. Please.
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| Sunday, January 18, 2009 - 04:46 am I was responding to a legitimate concern of mine, as well as several others. It is a legitimate topic of the NLUO, for anyone who does wish to become a member. As the overtones are clearly visible all over the websites. It also is a direct reply to several other posts in this thread. Q
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| Sunday, January 18, 2009 - 04:51 am Q, I said please, I can say it in other ways,I am trying to play nice. Play nice!
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| Sunday, January 18, 2009 - 04:55 am What we seem to have here is a confusion over the meaning of the word "truth," as opposed to the meaning of the word "factual." Discuss!
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| Sunday, January 18, 2009 - 04:55 am How am I not being nice? I'm not saying "remove all religious items from the website". I'm just stating, that some people may have a problem joining an organization that is based somewhat on religion (in this case, Christianity). He is free to set up the NLUO however he desires. You said even I could comment, so I am. I'm expressing my opinion. Q
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| Sunday, January 18, 2009 - 05:04 am Q that part of the convo is done, are we really gonna have to make WP a must. . . again. I said please. I'm not gonna have a childish back and forth with you. Focus on the true meaning of the thread or get ready. Play Nice!!
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| Sunday, January 18, 2009 - 05:06 am Since post 58 this thread went wrong, so ok, here is its true intent. Thx again for your time. Hello. This a topic intended to inform sim citizens of a few misconceptions of NULO and the injustices that are employed in undermining sincere efforts to get this movement off the ground. At first. I really didn't care much for the Idea. In time I had come to realize that in fact it was a great IDEA at the very least. Many Vets would say that this is terrible. It is meant for King to rule the world with its devices. Its evil incarnate and so on. Actually this is nowhere near having any truth in it. Those kind of statements are the Vet establishments attempts to remain in a shadow ruling coalition that dominates the SC landscape.They wish t retain power and keep it in place so that no one will be able to change what is already in place. Under normal circumstances, I would say that what is in place does in fact work. But it is much more complicated than that. There are way too many double standards that apply. For instance, a vet, in his military hat, would boldly do something that is taboo for a new player to do. Yet the establishment will hold new players accountable and appease the veteran. There have been instances where where the double standard is exposed and then the vet, counting on relationships with other vets, will fabricate justification for such blatantly wrong action. Do not confuse what I am saying. I have had good and bad experiences with new and vet alike. Most Vets are very helpful, willing, and able to be very humble and key to new player development. But Heaven forbid a player cross paths with a player who is a vet, and exchange insult for insult on the forum. Or simply not immediately bow in obesiance to a veterans threats of unjustified action, when things could be averted through other means. When this happens, a more powerful player will almost always dominate the new player, which is exactly why this kind of action is not even necessary to avoid adverse consequences to either party. The NLUO if implemented, would consist of 144 members. Individuals, not empires, but presidents that would reflect a larger portion of LU. And accurately reflect the community as a whole. Implementing policy to better avert large scale wars which have been waged. And not continue such wars without being held in lieu of the community having a working in any process regardless if it be peace and/or war. Many will come out against this IDEA and say adverse things about it, based purely on negative bias, or selfish motives. The reason in my eyes that an elite group of vets disagree with this based purely on unjustified hunger and appetite for power, is that a coalition of nations would threaten to overrule the few powerful voices and have an opposition of majority decision that could one day drown out powerful in favor of the many. This kind of decision making need be made especially in times of conflict to stop wars that only a few wish to perpetuate while the community grows tired. I am saying this without prejudice, because ATM I indeed without going into rhyme or reason am one of the ones that wishes to continue in blood wars, so I am indeed showing how this kind of organization of parties would even sometimes disagree with myself, and hold me even accountable. Not just those who are at odds with me. If and when it is completed as an organization it would stand to give every one on LU voice to be heard, and give weight to the voice of community. Not just the powerful few. There are many vets, but true power, rests on a very elite group of a few of them, and they are indeed active in executing the issues of retaining such power. We all know absolute power IS corrupt. And to resist the checking of corruption is to show true intentions of the corrupt forces. They indeed reveal themselves as the ones in power, willing and able to be corrupt. NLUO looks forward to listening to the concerns of any interested members of LU. Please refrain from basing rebuttals based purely on personal issues and petty arguments that will ruin this discussion. I thank the level heads in advance. Any is welcomed to comment even Q Sincerely Wendy (E)Party Chairwoman of the Little Upsilon Institute Political Think Tank ChairWoman of The SOL Federation The High Profitess Eternal of The Philadelphian Empire Proud Elite Party Member of THE ONE and ONLY NLUO
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| Sunday, January 18, 2009 - 05:27 am I still find the idea intriguing. We can ignore the religious concerns for now. Focusing on Grayson's post above, couldn't the NLUO be a Federation of Federations, sort of an organization representing all of the federations on the planet? The larger feds could have a couple of members each and the smaller feds could have one member each. Each fed could determine its own method for choosing its representative in the NLUO. Maybe some could be elected at large from the community as a whole. Or, maybe even better, one chamber could be elected as a whole community and one could be made of members elected by the member Feds? This might make the body more palatable to the larger community while also giving it more ability to wield influence over all of LU.
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| Sunday, January 18, 2009 - 05:29 am The basic concepts of NLUO could be workable, as you have presented, Wendy. I do agree with some of the concepts myself. I in particular agree about how the SC works should be changed, and that more people should have a say in how things are run on each world. I'm a big supporter for example, of direct elections to the security council. I do have concerns though that such an organization could be taken down from within, by those who desire to be hostile to it. Others have expressed multiple ways this could happen, so I won't elaborate there. And I do agree some Veterans can be hot-heads, and attack for little or no reason or motivation, sometimes toward newer players who may not understand or not get things. I'm open to more discussion about how such an idea could prove workable. I think some modifications might be necessary for more of the community to be accepting of it as a whole. I'm slowly warming to the broad concept presented here. Q
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| Sunday, January 18, 2009 - 05:37 am Zentrino, I like your ideas. Q
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| Sunday, January 18, 2009 - 05:50 am And Wendy ONCE AGAIN declares war on me.
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| Sunday, January 18, 2009 - 06:54 pm @Zentrino , In another post which i can't seem to locate. I have suggested something very simular to what you mentioned:The NLUO being comprised of FEDERATION Heads - with that in mind the Elite Party could consist of the Largest Federations Heads of State,Elected representatives which couldn't fill all the seats (like you suggested limit the seating to 2 Per FED in the upper chamber) then fill the rest of the seats in all the chambers with Representatives from the lesser Feds(lesser being a VERY loose term here).... All this would require diplomatic discussion and true open discussion WITH KING HEZZY. I have been discussing with HEZZY the idea of Starting a FEDERATION called the NLUO FEDERATION. I have ask him to discuss the matter with ShcyzMattiCa as to the Fact that she is within the elite party along with Me(King HEZZY and the others have made me the Chairman of the Elite Party for the time being.)now ShcyzMattiCa's input isn't the only vital one to presenting the NLUO as a Federation Of FEDERATIONS. once again it should be like that: A federation of Federations; while each Fed member having a vote and discussion option. Remember this is not a total redirection of concept in the NLUO but a Clarification of the NLUO's desire to exist and to Grow.I know that the WEBsite has Religious overtones but so does EVERY form of Government. The U.S.A has several... the English Government with the monarcy Beng head of the church of England ... France with it's clut of Reason.. and the list could go on. but that list could lead us astray from the true discussions here. If one desired to Help form a Federation of Federations Called the NLUO they would have to overlook some of the religious overtones,Just like we overlook the religous overtones of our RL respective Governments.
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| Sunday, January 18, 2009 - 06:56 pm P.S. @ WENDY Please leave WAR as a last resort
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| Sunday, January 18, 2009 - 07:41 pm I'm done posting in this or any other thread about the NLUO. The poster goes against her own ideals, so I just won't even bother anymore. Good luck King Hezzy. Q
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| Sunday, January 18, 2009 - 07:44 pm q, send me a message, i'll offer you some help
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| Sunday, January 18, 2009 - 07:55 pm Grayson, I don't want to be the only voice in NLUO,I only wished to help King get his idea heard without being bashed by any and everyone on the forum. I respect your place in the Elite party. Don't question mine. I am the the Chair of the NLUO ThinkTank,I was just thinking. I have left War as a last resort. Q seems to like petty tales on the forum. I invited him to a decent convo. he has resulted to childish insults. Three strikes. . .YOU'RE OUTTA HERE!!!!!
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| Sunday, January 18, 2009 - 07:58 pm Please refrain from basing rebuttals based purely on personal issues and petty arguments that will ruin this discussion. He disregarded that part. . . Q Q Q please. Comon We just redirected this topic. Lets not make it into another. Please. AND that part . . . . Q, I said please, I can say it in other ways,I am trying to play nice. AND that part . . . So hes out. Orbiter you need more help yourself. You have forgotten that left over c3s can still hurt you. . . or others. HEHE
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| Sunday, January 18, 2009 - 08:16 pm no, wendy, i haven't
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| Sunday, January 18, 2009 - 08:28 pm @ShcyzMattiCa, I have only the same desire to see Hezzy get his CASE heard I'm his Friend and will remain so even though I'm in another Federation which i have no intention of leaving nor Forsaking. At the same time i have a duty to my friend to discuss with him ideas and ways to get him heard and to be allowed to Grow his Dream. ShcyzMattiCa i know your not the wanting to be the only VOICE, but Hezzy is your Friend also and therefore , your voice is one to be respected in regards to the Ideas and aspirations on NLUO. My Chairmanship is tenitive and i wish to convey that I'm here to try and help him. Not to damage him or my relations with my own Federation but to attempt to be a type of bridge between them.
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| Sunday, January 18, 2009 - 09:03 pm Indeed, well said Grayson Peace be unto you. . .
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| Monday, January 19, 2009 - 03:22 am Here Here!!! I only wish that we can get the rest of the community behind this, and not mention the other NLUO members who are afraid to come public.. May we bring this thing together.. By the way Wendy, your were re-elected to your seat for another 10 year term...
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| Monday, January 19, 2009 - 03:49 am Yay. . .NLUO RULEZ
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| Monday, January 19, 2009 - 04:33 am All NLUO members: Check the Awards and scores forum here on the simcountry forums to check out the NLUO election news,
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| Monday, January 19, 2009 - 08:55 pm They deleted it, check the General forum...
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| Monday, January 19, 2009 - 09:36 pm Hezekiah, the reason why they deleted it is because election news does not belong in the Scores and Awards forum. That forum is specifically for discussion of IN-GAME scores, and level/Hall of Fame awards. i.e. GC awards for being a good player. Of course off-topic stuff will be deleted from there; that forum serves a very specific purpose of which NLUO is not a part.
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| Monday, January 19, 2009 - 10:07 pm Can't you just keep the stuff on your website? If VS, SNA or in its day CIS duplicated a load of stuff on to this forum - it would be full of things that don't bother or interest you, just like most of us aren't bothered or intrested about what is happening inside NLUO. I'm not saying i'm against it NLUO, i'm certainly not 'for' it - i'm just not bothered anymore, and I bet that most of LU feels the same. Yet, we all have to suffer endless threads that should all be on your website for your members who will access the information if they want to know it. That is the whole point of having a website, to post information on there, not to duplicate it wherever and whenever you can.
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| Monday, January 19, 2009 - 11:07 pm N> > > L> > > U > > > O
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| Tuesday, January 20, 2009 - 12:18 am Well I have to agree with Stuart Keep NLUO business on NLUO web site. And i am thinking that the case is made let it Live or die .. enough discussion about it for now. Cut back before you close any doors that might have opened
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| Tuesday, January 20, 2009 - 07:14 pm King, I apologize if I offended you with my comments about religion. I realize my comments could have been taken in a different manner than I intended them to be. I'm a supporter of freedom of religious views, whatever they are, and should give you the same right. I'm done posting about the NLUO though. I wish you luck with it. Perserving seems to have attracted new members for you, so maybe more want this than is apparent. Ok, I'm out, good luck King. Q
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| Tuesday, January 20, 2009 - 09:01 pm Frankly...now that I have read pretty much the entire thread...I'm pissed off. Is this what all the hostilities towards Q have been about...paradoxically ridiculous. Wendy, you are talking about a world government that is there to protect the new players of SimCountry from the Veterans who impose there whims upon them and attack them without any real warrant. Q...has not been egregious on this thread, while you nuked several of his countries yesterday. You are the vet that we need protection from and your current actions are not peaceful and way out of line with your message in this thread...Q has not slandered you or King in this thread. As far as the subject matter of the thread: There are some good ideas behind the world government in theory, but with power comes corruption as many have pointed out. Like the world banks...if they are too big to fail then they should have never been allowed to get that big. I think the Federation of Federation Chairs is the best bet and would not require SimCountry to do anything, so…good luck. I very much doubt I am going to come back to this thread.
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| Tuesday, January 20, 2009 - 09:06 pm So as not to offend anyone that line near the end was suposed to be I think the Federation of Federation Chairs is the best bet and would not require SimCountry to do anything, so...good luck.
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| Tuesday, January 20, 2009 - 10:10 pm Sorry to say, but what every federation or person does is news to Little Upsilon. The Peace treaties didn't have to be on the forums, neither did the CIS/VS Merge. NLUO can are allowed to continue to post whats going on within their federation on the forums, its up to the people to acknowledge it and reply, or not.
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| Tuesday, January 20, 2009 - 10:26 pm thats the first time i've seen wendy referred to as a vet, thats kinda crazy. lol am i gonna be attacked for derailing this thread now? shrug i couldn't reset, now back to your regularly schedualed program
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| Tuesday, January 20, 2009 - 10:28 pm Hey Loki - welcome back to the forums dude!!!!! I'm sorry, but I whole heartidly disagree with your message though dude. Currently, NLUO/Sons of Light have 7 threads spread all over the forums that they keep on bumping. If you add to that figure the other threads which they havent bumped in a week - it comes to around 20. The CIS/VS merge was posted because it actually contained information regarding 2 of the 3 largest feds on LU - not a minority action as i'm sure you will agree. This froum is turning into the king and wendy show - and that should not be allowed. All it is doing is killing the forum - less people are visiting here on a daily basis. When did you last see sam, jason, dub, dragoon, cruz, Elivera, ameche, LG, barney, dizzy, KH or any of the other vets who have gone walkabout post? Players are leaving the game in droves - and this kind of spam does not help. You log in - you see NLUO, you go to LU - you see NLUO, you go to trade - you see NLUO. You go to feds - you see NLUO. You go to general - you see NLUO, you go to scores and awards - you see NLUO (actually that one has been deleated). Its a NLUO overload. If I posted crap everyday people would get annoyed, if anyone else posted this rubbish - people would get annoyed no matter who it was. This stuff belongs on their website. Just as VS stuff belongs on the VS site, the SNA stuff belongs on theirs and just as CIS stuff belonged on there and still does. All King and Wendy are doing is duplicating what his members see on their site to try and make them either popular or unpopular. To be honest, I haven't quite figured it out yet. I'm afraid to say that you are in the minority though dude. Sorry.
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| Tuesday, January 20, 2009 - 10:31 pm i see whats going on, and frankly, its to late to stop it
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| Wednesday, January 21, 2009 - 06:43 am Join the NLUO World Government!!! Before it is too late!!!
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| Wednesday, January 21, 2009 - 07:25 am More Election News on the general forum..
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| Wednesday, January 21, 2009 - 04:46 pm Look at how nations slander our thread, and if you look at their LUNATIC thread there is no slander from any NLUO member.. Who is the oppressor here?
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| Wednesday, January 21, 2009 - 04:57 pm @ShcyzMattiCa The thread is about making a case for the NLUO. NLUO has a website. On that website there are dietary laws written in Old English. That makes a statement about dietary laws relevant to this thread. I did not see any porn when I last looked at the NLUO site. Therefore porn is not relevant in this thread. If Porn was added to the NLUO website or if NLUO was using pornographic flags and banners then posts about porn would also be relevant to this thread. In addition to making a case for NLUO this thread is also making the case that people using Simcountry should take the attempt to start up NLUO seriously. When I go to a website that is supposedly establishing a government structure and instead I find guidelines for eating birds it becomes difficult to take it seriously. I'm not trying to be critical of NLUO. It does have entertainment value. I do not thing that quaxocal should be criticized for posting off topic. All of his posts I read were very focussed, lucid, and on topic.
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| Wednesday, January 21, 2009 - 05:21 pm The NLUO is not saying that you have to follow these laws.. The dietary laws, the feasts, and 10 Commandments are for the religious nations among us.. That is why we have an NLUO policy page.. Church and state is separate but equal on the site.. If you are not religious, don't follow the religious laws.. If you are secular, follow the NLUO secular policies.. We don't force the word of truth, but it will be there, so if you can not stand the site of church and state equal side by side, then this is not the government for you...
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| Wednesday, January 21, 2009 - 05:32 pm The first sentence of the first post from ShcyzMattiCa spells out two topics: 1, misconceptions of NULO 2, injustices employed Quaxocal was addressing topic one. I am currently addressing topic two. I see no reason to believe that there has been any organized response to NULO or Hezekiah in any of the forum threads that I am aware of. King Hezekiah will decide that straight columns were not aesthetic enough for the temple in New Jerusalem. When the beautiful structure collapses into a heap of rubble there will be an angry tirade in the public square. "The disgruntled architects that selfishly want to push their ideals of column form have sabotaged and destroyed the new temple. The guilty need to be punished". I checked the NLUO website again. There isn't any porn yet but I enjoyed the x-mas article.
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| Wednesday, January 21, 2009 - 05:49 pm Here is what I found: New Little Upsilon Order The order of the world of Litte Upsilon, socially, financially, & religiously The page you are trying to view is password protected... You are directing people to a website that is packed with irrelevant information except one link on the site. The title of the "relevant" page is misspelled and states the exact opposite of what you are posting here. The information that I was supposed to find is password protected. No one is telling me what to post in your thread. I have not discussed NLUO with anyone outside of the forums that you can see for yourself. I am not aware of any vested interest in preventing NLUO from doing anything. I do not see NLUO as a viable threat. Others will go to the website and/or read the forums and will draw his/her own conclusion. If he/she draws the same conclusion that I do it is not because "pathetic sheep has poisoned his/her mind". When I am done wasting my time posting here I have no intention of wasting more.
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| Thursday, January 22, 2009 - 12:56 am Relevant? ok? Join the Site, and you can see what we do...
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| Thursday, January 22, 2009 - 12:59 am No - we will still have enemies. Our enemies will be those that try to enforce a tyranical regime upon LU. NLUO have even stated in their propoganda that they will take empires by force if needed to ensure that they control LU. They have constantly threatenend nuclear warfare to take over the security council. WE ARE THE RESISTANCE. WE HAVE SOME OF THE MOST POWERFUL PRESIDENTS ON LU ON OUR SIDE. WE WILL DEFEAT OUR OPPERSSORS. They say that they will offer democratic elections, but only if you join NLUO do you get a chance to vote. They say they will control the Security Council. Now that we have some of the most powerful presidents on our side - they can't. They say they will take LU by force if needed. Let us stop them getting to such a position. LETS STOP THEM NOW. LETS STOP THE TERRORISTS WHO WANT TO MAKE LU A DICTATORSHIP. TOGETHER - WE CAN DO IT. Votes for the few? Secret policies? A government that hides behing an iron curtain of website security? A world government run by n00bs? Is that what you want? NO Little Upsilon - STAND UP. SHOW YOURSELF AGAINST THIS TYRANNY. SHOW YOURSELF AGAINST THE TERRORISTS WHO WISH TO CONTROL YOU WITH SECRET VOTES AND SECRET FORUMS THAT ONLY THE SELECTED FEW ARE ALLOWED TO JOIN. STAND UP FOR FREEDOM STAND UP FOR L.U.N.A.T.I.C L.U.N.A.T.I.C - Little Upsilon Nations Alliance To Improve Communications. Who needs a world government? Who needs n00bs telling YOU how to run YOUR empire. Who needs asshats insisting that you accept a world dictatorship that you do not want. Who wants unfair elections where only a selected few get to vote? Who wants dozens of different threads, websites and blogs to find out information that dosn't concern you? LUNATIC is run by the people, for the people. There is no leader. No policies. No enemy nations, no imperial ambitions and no shared military. LUNATIC aims to promote peaceful discussions between presidents on LU and to prove that we are capable of looking after our own affairs without having to be held responsible to a world government - which is what others want. We dont have websites. We dont declare people terrorists. We don't insult vets or newbs without good reason, and we treat each other with respect. We communicate via MSN and in game messages. Lets blow this world government rubbish out of the water. LUNATIC is for YOU. Yes YOU. JOIN Little Upsilon Nations Alliance To Improve Communications TODAY!!!!! Please sign up below and send a message to me with your MSN address by clicking me name to the left, and lets start proper networking!!!!! Become a lunatic today - JOIN L.U.N.A.T.I.C!!!!!
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| Thursday, January 22, 2009 - 01:08 am Join The NLUO World Government!!!!
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| Thursday, January 22, 2009 - 01:13 am Votes for the few? Secret policies? A government that hides behing an iron curtain of website security? A world government run by n00bs? Is that what you want? NO Little Upsilon - STAND UP. SHOW YOURSELF AGAINST THIS TYRANNY. SHOW YOURSELF AGAINST THE TERRORISTS WHO WISH TO CONTROL YOU WITH SECRET VOTES AND SECRET FORUMS THAT ONLY THE SELECTED FEW ARE ALLOWED TO JOIN. STAND UP FOR FREEDOM STAND UP FOR L.U.N.A.T.I.C L.U.N.A.T.I.C - Little Upsilon Nations Alliance To Improve Communications.
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| Thursday, January 22, 2009 - 06:00 am JOIN THE NLUO WORLD GOVERNMENT www.newlittleupsilonorder.webs.com
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| Friday, January 23, 2009 - 02:17 am We want peace... Not war... Terrorists want war ,and not peace.. Look at your agressors, they are usually the terrorists.. We have never gone on the offensive at all.
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| Friday, January 23, 2009 - 02:23 am Going on the offensive requires the ability to attack someone. I understand your desire for a new federation or system of government on Little Upsilon. However, you could easily have started a federation like everyone else does. Have ONE recruiting thread and work along with your new recruits who respect you because of your game talents. While there is nothing wrong with trying to establish a world government, your persistence is frustrating because none of the players with any power are interested in joining. When the game's best players voice their opinions, you merely write them off, and in doing so, you irritate the powers that be. To new players who may be interested in joining, all the controversy surrounding your efforts may in effect ward them off. When looking for a federation new players often look for either players who help them or players ranked highly in the rankings. I know this because I started not too long ago. @Hezy, I am just trying to do some explaining as to why people aren't particularly interested in your ideas.
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| Friday, January 23, 2009 - 02:56 am Only 2 people have been the back bone of opposition... If that is the case Eo, and I respect you no matter your Talent Class, Why are there nations who want to bring this thing about, and the "powers that be" as you say terrorize them... It is a catch 22. On one hand we have a right to exist on the other hand we shouldn't exist..
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| Friday, January 23, 2009 - 03:53 am Well, King I have had a change of heart seeing as that I have talked in private with you, and a few other NLUO members. I am even thinging of joining the NLUO World Government. Once you all explained it to me, it is a good idea, and I support it..
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| Friday, January 23, 2009 - 04:25 am Think of it like this. There is a town with many people. Some of them are part of the town's council, some are workers, some are rich, some are strong. A stranger comes into the town and proclaims that the way the town is set up is faulty and says that he has all of the answers, but has never seen how the town runs in the first place. He is not elected to the town's council, he does not work out, he does not go to school, he just continues to tell everyone that his ideas are better than theirs. After being in the town for a few months, he still hasn't improved his position, he still hasn't stopped making enemies. Whether his ideas are better than the ideas of others in the town is irrelevant. People have no respect for him, and have heard him lie to or ignore the leaders of the town.
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| Friday, January 23, 2009 - 05:09 am I have not lied.. I did what I said I was going to do, just not when they told me to. I see your point, but there are town members who are afraid to come againgst the leaders of the town, and that is why the stranger thought it be a good idea to try and help the people of the town to change the town for the better.. The stranger is not so bad, it is the stay the same mentality of the town which hinders it's growth...
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| Friday, January 23, 2009 - 06:07 am King Hezekiah we have all witnessed your lies. You can hide behind explanations all you want, but its a load of crap and you know it. I have not attacked anyone besides you King. I don't care about the NLUO, it isn't important and only exist on a crappy Web site. I just don't like you. I don't like your racist, sectarian, homophobic and sexist rants. I also don't like liars. I have given you several past chances. Keep buying WP with your Visa/Gold Coins... once your guard comes down I'm coming for you. I will continue to prepare, and when the day comes - I will overwhelm you. This is my word, this is my promise. Consider what is coming a lesson in honesty.
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| Friday, January 23, 2009 - 06:12 am Is there a record for thread length? Just scrolling down, I see one has 169--and it is another NLUO World Gov't thread! Imagine if these were one. I think we should set a goal for ourselves. How about 500 posts in this thread by the time the weekend is done. Anyone else? Just a quick anything to push up the count will suffice. Long live NLUO! Long live LUNATIC! Long live long treads!
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| Friday, January 23, 2009 - 06:14 am long live CW!
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| Friday, January 23, 2009 - 09:02 am COme after me OK State Guy. I have a big surprise for you.. I am not your average Nation anymore... 2368 is when my nation comes out of Protection, and when you attack it there will be 3 nations declaring war on your slaves as soon as you do it.. We have at least 5 nations who are in the shadows who have come to me in private to say they will show military support until I come out of this depression that the establishment or AXis Powers put me in... So, do what you do Ok State Guy, and get embarrassed, and that is not even including President Wnedy who is trigger happy as it is.. Call my bluff, I want you too because that will be all we need to fully institue this World Government... Play my game OK State Guy.. You think I am a liar.. You don't have the full knowledge of the situation.. Like I said people are like CNN here.. No real substance to the situation... I am not worried.. I want you to move on me.. I put that time there to give my allies time to gear up.. I knew either you or Stuart would bite on this propaganda, and I guess it is you.. I have full backing of our members for this exercise.. So, Come on.. 2368..
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| Friday, January 23, 2009 - 09:36 am King - more secret members? I highly doubt it, and we all know you will just extend WP again..... Besides - there is no-one capable of fighting a prolonged war in NLUO or SOL.
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| Friday, January 23, 2009 - 11:53 am King Nothing. I would rather lose everything than deal with your continued existence. Frankly you make this game suck. I am confident in my own allies, and would choose them over yours any day of the week. HERE ARE THE FACTS: --You started playing this game before I did. You are the vet. You have had plenty of time to build an empire before I ever started playing. --I ONLY have a problem with you. I have not attacked anyone else - just you. I have offered peace terms in good faith several times - you don't fulfill your promises. You are a liar. --I don't care about your NLUO, I just don't like you. I have no problem with Wendy, King Asia or your army of multies. --Finally, I'm not crazy. I realize this is just a game. A game I will not play forever. Taking risks is a part of playing games. I'm rolling the dice.... 2368 it is.
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| Friday, January 23, 2009 - 04:29 pm While I don't plan on attacking anyone, I will say that I have lots of off world ties with SNA, I would have thought that after the first round of King being attacked we could have been done with this. OK Stateguy, I am sure my friends in SNA will defend you if I declared on you, because you are in their fed. I fail to understand the crusade against King to this extent. I have alot of respect on fighting for principle, but I feel as though this will become something that stands in the way of relationships that I have with some of your allies. I will ask that you halt all military actions against King at least in hopes of me and your allies maintaining relationships. I don't want to be caught between YOU/KING and SNA/UC members that I am friendly with. You are placing me in an akward position. I realize that this is LU and not GR but I have no doubt that a war involving myself and SNA will have terrible consequences in the long run. I will however not be happy thinking that you are chasing king around and putting me in an adversarial position to my friends. I don't really know you and am confused. I am not really sure if this war you want to continue with King is designed to place that rift in between me and some of my friends. Please take a moment and think about the bigger picture. King is No Threat to you. However you are becoming a very big threat to me, and potentially causing a rift between figures that I have known well before you came along.
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| Friday, January 23, 2009 - 04:33 pm Wendy, no offence but if King kept to agreed peace terms - we wouldn't be having this discussion now. JOIN L.U.N.A.T.I.C!!!!!
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| Friday, January 23, 2009 - 04:37 pm I don't understand Ok State Guys Motive.. He says he is doing this for LU, but as a citizen of LU.. I don't think he should attack King.. All King has is a big mouth. and if you just ignor him, I'm sure he will not spam, or bother anyone to much.. It seems that he spams more when he is feeling threatened.. Why don't you all be nice Empires and ignore him? I am sick of his spam.. If it takes you to leave him alone for him to stop, why don't you just leave him be?
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| Friday, January 23, 2009 - 04:55 pm General G, he was left alone for about a week a month or so ago. What did he do? He started using the forum to publish his NLUO election results, promotions in NLUO, 2 recruitment threads, A common market thread, and this propoganda thread. All in all - in the space of 2 weeks, he started around 20 threads. We are sick of his spam. That is why we dont leave him alone now. When he sees he isnt getting anywhere, we hope that he will calm down and put it all on one thread in the federation section. I already said to him; Let your current threads die - wait a week or two then start one thread covering everything. What did he do? Ignore me. The reason OKstate wants to attack him, is that Hezzy has insulted him on more than one occassion and when asked tto apologise - he dosn't. He owes me an apology too for calling me a liar - I proved him wrong, but I never got one.
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| Friday, January 23, 2009 - 05:04 pm Complete and utter nonsense.
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| Friday, January 23, 2009 - 05:14 pm Do a keyword search if you dont believe me. Search for author and type 'King Hezekiah' He has averaged a thread a day (more or less) since joining SC.....
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| Friday, January 23, 2009 - 08:38 pm Wendy, As I have expressed to you in private, I understand and respect the awkward position this war has placed you in. I have been at war with King Hezekiah since December. This war has lasted longer than your current relationship with him, but I know that relationship comes with certain expectations. Since the day I declared war on King Hezekiah, I have kept this conflict confined to the two of us. I have repeatedly asked presidents on both sides to stay out of this conflict to avoid a larger war. Though I will not ask my fed mates to fight for me - I know there are many who will refuse to stay out of an enlarged conflict. I have never carried that particular banner into this war. I have acted as an independent, sovereign state. King Hezekiah is not a popular person Wendy. He has brought all of this upon himself, and he has refused every good faith effort to end this war. He is obviously using this war to continue his personal agenda. He is now threatening me with his "allies" in an attempt to invoke fear and terror. Well I am not deterred. I am steadfast and committed to this course of action. I have given my word. I will fight, and I will win. If my actions should bring about a larger conflict on Little Upsilon - I will be greatly saddened. Allow me to offer my apology now to the entire community. I began this war due to the very personal slander King Hezekiah spewed about my religion. I was also upset by his many racist, sexist, sectarian and homophobic slurs. I do not tolerate people like him in my life, and I am disappointed that the game has not taken responsibility. I will not enlarge this conflict by attacking other NLUO nations, but if forced to I will defend myself. If this conflict does spread beyond our two empires I will remain civil. I have never had a problem with you Wendy. You have always been kind and respectful towards me. I would hope to maintain a friendly relationships even if we are forced to fight each other in the comings days. I see the villain here as King Hezekiah - nobody else. Though I am fairly certain of my actions, I am by no means a war mongrel. If you wish to avoid this conflict, take leadership and force King Hezekiah to abide by the terms he has accepted on multiple occasions. If he does this I may spare his country. Once again Wendy, I understand your situation and I apologize. However, even if it means the lose of my empire - I will not back down. I am committed. I will watch my cities and countries burn before I surrender to King Hezekiah. I have quite simply had enough. Best Regards on the eve of Battle, Okstate Guy President The Empire of Great Burckhalter (P.S. - Wendy, feel free to contact me in private if you would like to talk.)
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| Friday, January 23, 2009 - 10:31 pm OK StateGuy I understand you, to an extent. I only wish to speak about this if there will be an end to it.
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| Friday, January 23, 2009 - 11:36 pm Wendy, An end has always been within Kings Hezekiah's means. He has accepted terms numerous times and always fails to live up to his end of the bargain. We could make peace if he was only capable of honesty and respect. The fact remains that he is a liar and incapable of telling the truth. I'm afraid that King Hezekiah is not interested in peace, but only furthering his personal agenda at the expense of others. You are the leader of his federation. If you can't control him than there is no hope for peace. He will sacrifice your entire federation to save his pride. He has no honor. I hope the two of us can avoid becoming enemies. However, if we fail to maintain peace, know that you will continue to enjoy my respect and kindness despite the coming war. I will not consider you an enemy unless I am declared upon. If I am deced on by others... I will not be able to control the expanded war. It is best to restrict this to just King and myself. This is not the war I wanted, but none the less it is the war I am forced to fight. Best Regards to all and hopes of peace, Okstate Guy President The Empire of Great Burckhalter (I would like to thank the number of supportive messages I have received today. I appreciate the many friends I have made here, and I am grateful to know you all.)
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| Saturday, January 24, 2009 - 12:39 am You just want your face seen OK State Guy. I was talking the same way when we were in private. You were more openminded then.. All of you .. Stuart.. All of you are nice and cool when we are in private, but on the forums.. It's I hate King.. He is a spammer.. He is this and he is that.. You all sound like some cry babies.. If you would just leave well enough alone.. I wouldn't even set up 50 threads, but for some reason they get slandered when people disagree.. No one can ever say that I slander anyone elses thread. I tell what I believe as respectful as possible.. WHy do the nations of the NLUO not have a beef with me? You all are hypocrites.. That is why I don't keep my accords with Stuart and Ok State Guy because they are controlling, self centered, and power drunk... They act like they run LU.. No one put them in charge.. Now I am being boycotted again... This is rediculas, but I won't waver.. You all should know that by now because it is 4 months later, and I am still talking about what I was talking about since I joined the world of LU.. The whole thing about it is.. I don't play anywhere else.. I am not on any other world, and most of you have multiple accounts on different worlds.. I have nothing against that, but that seems a little selfish to hoard all of the worlds on simcountry for your own personal amusements.. People need to take responsibility for their actions, and you will see me do it because really I never started anything.. I have yet to fire a shot.. This time will be different. I will defend that nation in 2368, and I will have back up to help me.. That is probably why you all boycotted me was to weaken my economy so that Ok State Guy would have a better chance of defeating me.. I was taught how to fight very early in the game. I just never thought it was cool to start wars.. You all who oppose the NLUO World Government need to oppose yourselves because right now.. I feel like it is 1955, and the civil rights movement was about to jump off... I have never said anything that I can not proove in history or the Bible... I know that most of you only choose to remember what you want, and what you think.... Not what is right, and what is true.. King Hezekiha E-United Israelite Empire
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| Saturday, January 24, 2009 - 01:02 am Stuart Taylor (Little Upsilon) Saturday, January 24, 2009 - 12:53 am -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: King Hezekiah (Little Upsilon) Saturday, January 24, 2009 - 12:45 am -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Because we cannot trust nations like you with the inside info.. You will try to use it against us to overthrow our government.. STuart you have no self control.. That is why there is security.. I know if I let it be open like it was, what did you do Stuart.. That is your problem.. You don't take responsibility for your actions, and I have apologized on many occassions to you and OK state Guy, but what do I get a slap in the face.. This is why things are the way they are.. YOU AND OK STATE GUY WANT CONTROL!!! The only way you both can convince me otherwise is to join the NLUO World Government or just leave me alone. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- King - if you want a world government there will always be opposition to your policies. Much like there is in RL. Now - putting everything on secrecy dosn't help does it? Yes - I agree that you have apologised - but you then refuse to comply with treaties. Therefore, your apologies are worthless, that is why we call you a liar. You spread lies about others, but if you took your own actions into account - this wouldn't be happening now. We do not want control - we just want you to abide by what you have agreed in the past. I cannot speak for OKSTATE, but I will never join NLUO as it stands at the moment. Perhaps if you listenend to the advice of more experienced players, you might actually get somewhere. When I spoke to you on MSN, you realised your mistakes. You realised what you had done wrong. You realised that your present course of actions would lead to conflict. Next day - your back to your usual spamming self. Untill you realise that it is not 'normal' to start on average a thread a day since you have been here - this will continue. One thread should do it all. By all means - keep on bumping it, but just the one thread PLEASE. JOIN L.U.N.A.T.I.C TODAY!!!!!
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| Saturday, January 24, 2009 - 01:12 am Join the NLUo World Government!!! www.newlittleupsilonorder.webs.com
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| Saturday, January 24, 2009 - 02:09 am -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: King Hezekiah (Little Upsilon) Saturday, January 24, 2009 - 12:45 am -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Because we cannot trust nations like you with the inside info.. You will try to use it against us to overthrow our government.. STuart you have no self control.. That is why there is security.. I know if I let it be open like it was, what did you do Stuart.. That is your problem.. You don't take responsibility for your actions, and I have apologized on many occassions to you and OK state Guy, but what do I get a slap in the face.. This is why things are the way they are.. YOU AND OK STATE GUY WANT CONTROL!!! The only way you both can convince me otherwise is to join the NLUO World Government or just leave me alone. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- King - if you want a world government there will always be opposition to your policies. Much like there is in RL. Now - putting everything on secrecy dosn't help does it? Yes - I agree that you have apologised - but you then refuse to comply with treaties. Therefore, your apologies are worthless, that is why we call you a liar. You spread lies about others, but if you took your own actions into account - this wouldn't be happening now. We do not want control - we just want you to abide by what you have agreed in the past. I cannot speak for OKSTATE, but I will never join NLUO as it stands at the moment. Perhaps if you listenend to the advice of more experienced players, you might actually get somewhere. When I spoke to you on MSN, you realised your mistakes. You realised what you had done wrong. You realised that your present course of actions would lead to conflict. Next day - your back to your usual spamming self. Untill you realise that it is not 'normal' to start on average a thread a day since you have been here - this will continue. One thread should do it all. By all means - keep on bumping it, but just the one thread PLEASE. JOIN L.U.N.A.T.I.C TODAY!!!!!
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| Saturday, January 24, 2009 - 02:46 am WOW - Watch out Stuart... you just pulled a Hexy. You copy and pasted a previous post after just one response. That is totally Hezy of you. Shame.
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| Saturday, January 24, 2009 - 02:51 am Yep - thats because he totally ignored it because it proved him to be a asshat. Every time I post something that makes him look like the idiot that he is - he ignores it. n00b.
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| Saturday, January 24, 2009 - 02:55 am Screw it. I got this yesterday, the name is hidden to protect my spies;
I wasn't going to da anything about it, but King - you threaten me - freaking stand up and do it sonny boy. Or get stop the spam and do as you agreed in treaties. Your freaking choice. Let me guess though. You will hide in WP like the n00b that you are and let others fight for you. Am I right? Time will see. And by the way - no one has EVER freaking decd on me, so stop spreading your crap. OK? And Ribena Monkey - I know who you are. Whatch your back dude.
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| Saturday, January 24, 2009 - 03:15 am I am not afraid of either of you.. If you both were smart you would join the NLUO.. Further more I can never get a fair shake.. All of you like this crap.. I am done playing children.. If you "assphats" would give me time to build my military, and stop boycotting me every two years. I would kick both of your asses, but I will never get that chance because you both are punks.. George Bushes..
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| Saturday, January 24, 2009 - 03:21 am Hezzy - do it then dude. Shut up - stay in WP then come out when your ready. were waiting you LIAR. Also - I like how you cant defend yourself against my post, so - here it is again; Stuart Taylor (Little Upsilon) Saturday, January 24, 2009 - 02:55 am -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Screw it. I got this yesterday, the name is hidden to protect my spies; -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: From: ************ To: Etruria Real Date: 22-01-2009 09:17:17 World Date: September 30 2365 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Message from former Member of CIS Message: I think this message may be of interest for you: Listen NLUO members. We need to really start to go to the site more than ever because the establishment is trying to exstinguish our World Government. People are starting to accept it. We need to take the lead, and continue to build our economies, and most of all we need to show up at the site. If you look on the forums.. If we come out at once in one voice on the forums, then people will listen. We have done it with 3 members of just my fed. They deced Stuart Taylor and shut his mouth for a while. That is why he is coming up with this propaganda on the forums. If you believe in this NLUO World Government Movement please you must begin to be at the site when you play the simcountry game... If you do not, and you have recieved this email... PLEASE I WILL DELETE YOU FROM THE SITE. IF YOU DON'T WANT TO BE APART OF THE NLUO... PLEASE BROTHERS AND SISTERS PLEASE!!!! email me and let me know... We need dedicated members to move this government forward... PLEASE EMAIL ME TAKE THE TIME OUT TO SAY I DON'T WANT TO BE IN THE NLUO, AND I RECIEVED THIS EMAIL!!!! If you haven't noticed this is a plead to move this government in the right direction.. What do you all want to do? Common Market Members who are not apart of the NLUO email me.. We need you to join... We need to get the government full stregth to combat this terrorism by large empires to control smaller nations. The NLUO is our only hope. They are scared when we come in numbers... My old account was under the name Ribena Monkey, i have now left the above. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I wasn't going to da anything about it, but King - you threaten me - freaking stand up and do it sonny boy. Or get stop the spam and do as you agreed in treaties. Your freaking choice. Let me guess though. You will hide in WP like the n00b that you are and let others fight for you. Am I right? Time will see. And by the way - no one has EVER freaking decd on me, so stop spreading your crap. OK? And Ribena Monkey - I know who you are. Whatch your back dude. You started the threats hezzy - not me. So shut the hell up. OK?
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| Saturday, January 24, 2009 - 03:28 am Hey retard, didn't I say that you idiots "boycot me every 2 years" How am I suppose to fight when my economy is in shambles. I get tired of setting up my economy to avoid an economic colapse.. I am tired of it.. Why can't you fight like men? Seriously give me at least 5 years because you have not been boycotted every 2 years since 2330.
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| Saturday, January 24, 2009 - 03:29 am so king your planning on launching hostilities against Stuart,not a smart idea of sending it to the entire CM where spies are bound to be especially in an unpopular organization such as yours.
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| Saturday, January 24, 2009 - 03:31 am oh sorry i forgot to add
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| Saturday, January 24, 2009 - 03:31 am If you want 5 years, then shut up. If you don't pick fights with EVERYONE else, then EVERYONE else won't boycott you. It takes many people to boycott, and obviously your rants have made you many enemies. Be quiet for two weeks and see what happens. People may forget to boycott you.
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| Saturday, January 24, 2009 - 03:32 am General X, it is only unpopular becuase of Stuart and Ok State Guy.. If the 2 of them would have left us to our own, this would not be going on.. We have the right to post our stuff.. The only reason I spam is because when we set up a thread Stuart comes in it and talks crap about us, so I start another thread, and he come s there, and I start another, and he is there.. Then OK State Guy started doing it.. That is why there is so much spam....
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Saturday, January 24, 2009 - 03:34 am
A personal insult against the forum rules.....
And why do you think that is?
I thought you were going to commit a whole paycheck to this war. Not only that - but if you had a few braincells, you could have found a way to keep getting supplies.
Well - stop spamming and making threats then.
We do. Why cant you? If you knew the game you would have been able to work it out by now. Instead - you hide behind WP whilst letting others lose for you.
If you want 5 years - shut your mouth for 5 years, keep to peace agreements and maybe you would get it.
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| Saturday, January 24, 2009 - 03:37 am Would that be 5 RL years or 5 game years?
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| Saturday, January 24, 2009 - 03:41 am Probably 5 RL years the state of his empire..... He dosn't know how to play the game - just how to build worthless websites and start worthless threads on here.
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| Saturday, January 24, 2009 - 03:45 am I do know how to play the gam .. I never get a chance to grow because of your stupid boycotts.. And I meant 10 real days.. and 5 LU years
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| Saturday, January 24, 2009 - 03:47 am If you knew how to play the game - you would have found a way around boycotts by now. You havent, so guess what - n00b!!!!!! Anyway - are you not going to reply to my post above???? Too scared to face the truth? Thought so......
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| Saturday, January 24, 2009 - 03:54 am Whatever, I have found a way around it.. I am tired of going around the dumb boycotts, so I just let you destroy my economy. I let you all take my nations.. I am just tired of you all.. I have the right to post, and I will
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| Saturday, January 24, 2009 - 03:57 am lmfao If you had found a way around it, you wouldn't be complaining. Hezzy - learn your place on LU. Clean my shoes or answer my accusations you n00b.....
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| Saturday, January 24, 2009 - 04:00 am I'm lost? I feel that I rarely post on your NLUO thread. Unless I am directly mentioned, I tend to ignore them. Wendy had a good conversation going in this thread about the NLUO. I admit I took part in the conversation, but I was asking Wendy "real" questions above in a respectful manor. As for our forthcoming war, you set the date King? Are you backing out already? I thought you had dozens of allies lined up to sacrifice their assets for your mouth? In my world you are a veteran player who has been here longer than I have. How are you not ready? - I am. (P.S. Thanks King for the heads up! I just renewed my boycott request. Your little reminders are helpful.)
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| Saturday, January 24, 2009 - 04:03 am I am too.. We will tangle if you want to OK STate guy.. Just attack me... Wait until the protection goes off. and we can fight.. If that is how you will see that I am not afraid and will fight, then I must do it...
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| Saturday, January 24, 2009 - 04:04 am You too. Stuart.. If any of you want a fight then we can.. I am not afraid of you all and I will not be intimidated..
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| Saturday, January 24, 2009 - 04:04 am As will half of LU Hezzy. Good work in recruiting for LUNATIC - I appreciate it.
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| Saturday, January 24, 2009 - 04:05 am No prob.
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| Saturday, January 24, 2009 - 04:05 am why dont you just take it off now?
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| Saturday, January 24, 2009 - 04:06 am 2368 - Right King Nothing?
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| Saturday, January 24, 2009 - 04:08 am I can say this for OK State Guy.. I can see that he has a God in his life because of his restraint, and discipline in his words.. We don't worship the same God, but I see that he does have a God.. As for Stuart.. I can see that he has no God because he shows no restraint with his words... It is just a psychological observation..
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| Saturday, January 24, 2009 - 04:09 am Because I paid 5 gold coins for it.. DOn't you worry General X, you will get your chance if you want....
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| Saturday, January 24, 2009 - 04:10 am Sorry - but I have morals. Just because I don't think that the world was created in 7 days by an all seeing, all knowing entity dosn't mean I dont have morals. Anyway - what has that to do with SC? Its a game dude - not bible school..... Still - you are incapable of putting up a decent argument, choosing to ignore my posts instead. Child. Also - it was 50GC - not 5GC Get your facts right.
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Saturday, January 24, 2009 - 04:21 am
Right - everyone - DO NOT attack him. Give him till the 3rd February and lets see what happens..... BUT... In return - we expect you to stop the worthless bumps and spam on the forums. OK?
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| Saturday, January 24, 2009 - 04:32 am King Nothing decided that the war would start in 2368. If he is a coward he can buy more war protection. Once his war protection drops - game over for Israelite Nation. ---The war dec will arrive in November 2368--- (King thank you, I guess, for the compliment above. I try to be respectful of other players, like Stuart, by keeping my faith, on this Web site, to myself. I believe ones spiritual journey is personal/private. I would appreciate it if we could remember that this is an online game and not take the conversation down this road.)
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| Monday, January 26, 2009 - 04:26 pm WAR IT IS WAR IT IS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| Monday, January 26, 2009 - 04:34 pm King, to be effective in war, it helps if you come out of WP.....
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