| Barney Rubble (Little Upsilon) | Sunday, December 21, 2008 - 02:24 am 
I would like to take this time to ask the econ sided players to consider for a moment how the perpetual state of war on LU has either positively or negatively impacted profits and the macro-economy of LU over all.
Too often we hear about how dysfunctional the war like players are, or may be, but I suspect that over the last few months many players have reaped very healthy profits...
Thoughts? |
| Stuart Taylor (Little Upsilon) | Sunday, December 21, 2008 - 02:27 am
Barney, to be honest; A lot of my corps are making healthy profits at the moment. I do not have many weapons corps (and those I do are contracted to myself!), but my construction corps are making a killing due to the rebuild costs. |
| Aleksander (Little Upsilon) | Sunday, December 21, 2008 - 02:32 am
I am a new player with a CEO with almost 400 ammo corps. I am selling at market +60% and doing very well, especially the first part of December. |
| Keith Allaire (Little Upsilon) | Sunday, December 21, 2008 - 03:29 am
My CEOs are reaping the profits of selling ammo at nearly 400% market price (60 above quality); they have probably nearly a couple hundred ammo corps between them.
My countries are stockpiling military hardware at 100 quality. I'm saving myself a boatload, and my CEOs are making a boatload, by taking advantage of the quality spread.
I can say that the current turmoil has me working towards level 6, which I never would have considered attempting three months ago. |
| FarmerBob (Little Upsilon) | Sunday, December 21, 2008 - 10:56 am
WOAR is great for business. Keep it up, Barney. ;) |
| Martock (Little Upsilon) | Sunday, December 21, 2008 - 05:35 pm
Even my VWL CEO has been making a killing by selling ammo at 100 above quality...not sure what that really makes out to in terms of % over market price but I've had a few RL weeks where I'd pull over $10T at a time.
Besides Barney, how is it any real difference from RL? |
| Wendy (Little Upsilon) | Sunday, December 21, 2008 - 08:01 pm
Why are we thanking barney, in thoery that would be correct as he provoked me several times. LDI has repeatedly called for surrender to end the conflict.
The perpetual war is not their will, they want it to end. I don't think the responses that were positive is what they were looking for. He proly was looking for negative responses to garner public opinion for an end to it.
The only negative i would say is the nuclear fallout is the only issue i could bring up, but LDI is doing the nuking. |
| John R | Sunday, December 21, 2008 - 11:32 pm
Your conflict isn't making even as much as even a mosquito bite on the economy. Whether you were to continue or to cease completely, things would be no different. |
| Johanas Bilderburg (Little Upsilon) | Sunday, December 21, 2008 - 11:48 pm
You mean the universe does not revolve around Windy?
My god this is groundbreaking.
So in fact she is a n00b who's opinion does not matter and her continued beatings, ridicule, and humiliation are simply consequences for her poor communal behavior. |
| John R | Sunday, December 21, 2008 - 11:52 pm
Nor does it revolve around the need for you to hurl snide remarks at Wendy at every chance you have.
You too have two weeks to change your ways on this forum. |
| jason (Little Upsilon) | Sunday, December 21, 2008 - 11:56 pm
humm I must remember to nuke her more. |
| Johanas Bilderburg (Little Upsilon) | Monday, December 22, 2008 - 12:01 am
It is more of a visceral response than a need.
Need or desire signifies involvement.
I have no involvement only a detached sense of curiosity.
Thus while I can change my responses I see no need to do so unless the external stimuli I apply to her bad behavior has the desired response. |
| John R | Monday, December 22, 2008 - 12:05 am
/me looks for Wendy on this thread
No Wendy and you claim response? Try again.
Even if it was, would it change the nature of your snide remarks? No, it would not.
Understanding and accepting are two different things.
You will change your responses because I am telling you to. And unfortunately for you, I operate both the stimulus and the response.
Correct your behaviour. |
| Johanas Bilderburg (Little Upsilon) | Monday, December 22, 2008 - 12:08 am
Quote:Wendy (Little Upsilon)
Sunday, December 21, 2008 - 08:01 pm Click here to edit this post Why are we thanking barney...et al
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| John R | Monday, December 22, 2008 - 12:10 am
And if that triggers a snide remark from your behalf, you are the one at the wrong. |
| Johanas Bilderburg (Little Upsilon) | Monday, December 22, 2008 - 12:10 am
I will let you work the stick and watch for the desired response. |
| John R | Monday, December 22, 2008 - 12:11 am
You have 12 hours to shows us the fruits of your reflection. |
| Pluto (Golden Rainbow) | Monday, December 22, 2008 - 12:17 am
/me shakes head at the lack of Unbias |
| jason (Little Upsilon) | Monday, December 22, 2008 - 12:23 am
ok back to the topic. I think the war has positively impacted profits on lu. at least for me.
 |
| The Wise One (White Giant) | Monday, December 22, 2008 - 01:22 am
WTF? Why is everyone in ban mode lately? T gets banned. Now it has opened up the gauntlet for many more to come?
I see no purpose in this. |
| General G (Fearless Blue) | Monday, December 22, 2008 - 01:45 am
I disagree. Theres been nothing but BULLSHIT on the forums since ive rejoined. War protection/secured mode is to blame for that I think. |
| John R | Monday, December 22, 2008 - 01:46 am
The purpose of suspending someone is to avoid banning. |
| Wendy (Little Upsilon) | Monday, December 22, 2008 - 02:34 am
Muahahaaahaaa |
| Keith Allaire (Little Upsilon) | Monday, December 22, 2008 - 02:41 am
Wendy, rejoicing at Sam getting warned to calm down is uncalled for, especially considering you received the same warning in another thread. |
| Illo 0210 (Little Upsilon) | Monday, December 22, 2008 - 03:07 am
I will give you the list...
Wendy
Sam
Barney
Jason
Capone
Dirt
We all need 30 days in the "cooler" laguna.
make it happen
-B |
| Stuart Taylor (Little Upsilon) | Monday, December 22, 2008 - 03:14 am
Yeah. do that then the forum will be dead. |
| Wendy (Little Upsilon) | Monday, December 22, 2008 - 05:06 am
Keith, do yourself a favor and be quiet. Thx.
Muahahhaaaaa <==== is a random quote that was generated by my "Random Quote Generator v1.2.08" my recent programming project. |
| Illo 0210 (Little Upsilon) | Monday, December 22, 2008 - 05:13 pm
Give stu 30 days in the "hole" as well. |
| John L (Golden Rainbow) | Monday, December 22, 2008 - 05:26 pm
Illo 0210,
Barney! Why the name change? |
| Illo 0210 (Little Upsilon) | Monday, December 22, 2008 - 05:33 pm
I'm being "covert." |
| Darke Katt | Monday, December 22, 2008 - 05:39 pm
Laguna, your overzealous wielding of the banhammer for what amounts ultimately to minor offences is both unsettling and highly dissapointing. No profanity, no real offensive content beyond snide comments. You are becoming as bad as Tom in so far as stroking your ego is concerned.
I had come to expect so much better from you. |
| Maxwell (Little Upsilon) | Monday, December 22, 2008 - 05:45 pm
Muahahhaaaaa <==== is a random quote that was generated by my "Random Quote Generator
You guys have random quote generators?
Where can I get a random quote generator?
Do I need a random quote generator? |
| Capone | Monday, December 22, 2008 - 06:36 pm
You need a random quote generator to come up with 'Muahahahahahah'? Damn, that's sad. |
| The Wise One (White Giant) | Monday, December 22, 2008 - 07:35 pm
Jesus H Christ.
What the hell is going on? Laguna speaks out publicly against Treasurer's BAN (no it was not a suspension) and then decides to pull a 180 and ban a player for expressing an opinion?
Laguna went on the record stating he didn't agree with bannings such as the one handed down on Treasurer, yet he is so quick to wield his banhammer because his feelings were hurt?
Seems quite HYPOCRITICAL to me. |
| quaxocal (Golden Rainbow) | Monday, December 22, 2008 - 07:43 pm
Wow, what did Johannas do to deserve a suspension???
John R, I think you should not let your personal bias against LDI members get in the way of doing your job properly.
DarkeKatt said it best, I had come to expect so much better from you too.
This is MUCH worse than what was done to Treasurer. |
| John R | Monday, December 22, 2008 - 08:07 pm
Yes, Wendy, muahahaaahaaa to you too.
Allaire makes a fair point; he does, in practice, help you and you slap him. It's perfectly reasonable.
To ban six people without warning or minimum justification, even if sum of all their posts in the past four months would deserve such a treatment, isn't my way.
I'm glad you are at least aware something is wrong, Barney.
The post or sentence I refer when giving my warning amounts to the symbological example of all the painful annoyance the users of this forum have been suffering for four months. If you are unable to perceive this or feel compassion towards the users of this forum, Klarina, then that is a problem you will have to resolve on your own.
I have calmly read the complaints and view from afar all of the sadistic conflicts being fought on this forum, as opposed of being resolved in-game, in hope that in the end you would all be able to resolve them by yourselves. Seeing the unhealthy length of time that as already passed, it is time to speed up the process or solved it. |
| John R | Monday, December 22, 2008 - 08:13 pm
Instead of taking wild, insane and erroneous guesses as to what and why I'm doing this, read what I write.
What precisely is hypocritical to you, Treasurer?
Oh, and I did get Willard to revise your ban, by the way, but the decision is always his and of the other staff to make.
I did not ban anyone. I suspended Sam Houston for... 1 hour? Distorting facts isn't a nice thing to do.
I have no bias towards anyone or anything. If I had any negative bias towards anyone on this game, I would have already removed him.
You all, on the other hand, do. I did the same exact thing to Wendy, and none of you did anything. Your deeds - actually, words, for this matter - don't even come close to your words. |
| Johanas Bilderburg (Little Upsilon) | Monday, December 22, 2008 - 08:20 pm
I was suspended. Now I am back. Do not blame Laguna. Its not like he cut my leg off.
The problem is there is no in game resolution.
And I refuse to tolerate her bad behavior.
All the other issues you speak of come from this one source.
I am forced to flame.
Find me another solution and I will gladly try it. |
| Wendy (Little Upsilon) | Monday, December 22, 2008 - 08:43 pm
You could "surrender"?
Try that. |
| jason (Little Upsilon) | Monday, December 22, 2008 - 09:03 pm
We will not take a surrender from you windy. |
| The Wise One (White Giant) | Monday, December 22, 2008 - 09:18 pm
I was not distorting but raising the similarities of bannings for what amounts to nothing but people venting off steam like what Treasurer did as well. Sam was venting. Dan was venting.
The original intent of the bans was to punish those that were using this forum as a soapbox to spew hate using ant-semitism, profane language, sexism, and racism for their transgressions and to protect the users of this forum from having to be exposed to such behaviors.
The fact remains that the banhammer is being called into battle much more frequently and for reasons other than it's original intent.
It used to be that we settled all of our differences on the battlefield. With the advent of secured mode those days are long gone.Now anyone may stir up trouble and poke and prod whomever they like while they hide behind their war protection. these forums have aided in the hate that is prevalent in this game by allowing them to hit and run.
We are all guilty of these crimes, each and every one of us from the top to the bottom. Ban one, and you might as well ban all. You may call it a suspension if you like, but where I come from, if no term limit has been issued it is a BAN. When the ban was given there were no time limits issued in either case. So in my eyes and most intelligent people who read this, it was a ban until the terms were publicized.
Down with secured mode I say. Let us all stand and fight for our own honor. If you can't settle it with your weaponry when it comes to player on player aggression then maybe the parties that are afraid of losing secured should shut up and behave until they can put their money where their mouth is, or face war.
As for the other bannings for comments deemed detrimental to the Gamemasters, I leave that to the Gamemasters for they have the final say ultimately. They do not bend to public criticism or disfavor from the masses. They felt their dignity was impugned and that's fine. It is after all, their game. They told us from the beginning if we don't like it, leave. Treasurer hasn't left. He is still here in spirit. He will return when allowed to. But it is a ban and not a suspension because he hasn't been notified of any such decision to place a time on the ban.
He would rather see that bannings and suspensions be limited to their original intent and that is all. |
| John R | Monday, December 22, 2008 - 09:38 pm
Right now, Wendy, you can start by lowering your pride, hostility and not snipe every chance you have to hurl a rock at Sam.
After 20 hours you come to me and basically throw all of the blame on one person? And think of no alternative to your current?
Are you enjoying the current state of things?
It is impossible for one sole person be the blame for all the bullshit, as General G stated, in the forum.
Removing who annoys or removing who is annoyed would stop this, but nothing is that simple.
None of you is forced to verbally or virtually act. You have more options than you think. I am cutting them to the socially acceptable though. The most reasonable of all would be to keep your public spouts centralized in place and confine them in time - less slapping, all in one place followed by nice, long periods of no-slapping.
Seems easier than getting to accept or ignore the other.
To point out, I shouldn't be the one searching for ways of getting you two to stop fighting on the forum.
I'm only doing this and not just simply ban, because I don't like seeing people banned. It does make sense, doesn't it? It does show the attacks made towards me and my action are wrong, doesn't it? It would only make sense.
And the viewers? Have you hid your faces in shame yet? It is the expected thing to do after all. |
| Johanas Bilderburg (Golden Rainbow) | Monday, December 22, 2008 - 10:10 pm
It is that simple to place the blame on the person who created the current situation by design. My blame is in reacting to provocation not in its creation or continued execution.
The suggestion to ignore or tolerate is not valid when the other person seeks out conflict on every possible level. That is called appeasement and it never works.
The migration from IRC to regular chat was for the purposes of trolling.
The incessant rants on the forums are for the purposes of trolling.
The inability to get along with anyone is for the purposes of trolling.
Her racism was aplogized for by you and the management as acceptable thus she will continue to do and say exactly what is required to provoke hostility.
So we have no resolution. |
| John R | Monday, December 22, 2008 - 10:41 pm
By being a puppet to every action and by blaming everything on just one person, you are basically saying you have no will.
None of that changes that the sum of all of have posted in the past four month is negative, as well. |
| Johanas Bilderburg (Little Upsilon) | Monday, December 22, 2008 - 11:09 pm
I agree. It is negative.
But we have no alternative that has not been tried. |
| Webspinner (White Giant) | Monday, December 22, 2008 - 11:54 pm
We have secured mode to thank for not having any recourse. |
| Pluto | Tuesday, December 23, 2008 - 12:29 am
/me shakes head again |
| Wendy (Golden Rainbow) | Tuesday, December 23, 2008 - 01:52 am
"agree. It is negative.
But we have no alternative that has not been tried."
You "Could" surrender,
Haven't tried that yet. Try it.
I went from IRC to regular chat, becuase you all keep crying to the admins, LG, iki-ryo, James/Tamara, and Genie, for ban spam, and no one really cares because they all know you are just as much to blame as me. But to be pulled aside by Genie, and iki, and have "pep-talks which amount to "I will never hear the end of the crying<=== if I don't say something, so I am saying it to you, Wendy" kind of talks is BS. If you don't provoke and be over disrespectful it won't be returned to you. Do not dish it and you would n't have to take it. Simple I think. Indeed, SIMPLE.
I returned to IRC because the SC chat is SUPER UNSTABLE and its redundant to log on 5 times in ten minutes. So when i need to have a convo directly w/o interruptions I go there, not to mention how anyone who wants to talk wants to meet in IRC because they don't like main chat. But my new friends and players for some reason can't or won't get IRC.
Why am I even explaining this to you SAM?
Because this is your game . . PROPAGANDA
"WENDY< WENDY< WENDY, its all her fault shes evil stinky and she won't stop attacking us. I can't stand her, shes a troll, shes making us look bad, man is she a "TROLLUP", what are we goona do when everyone sees they dont have to cringe in fear when we talk, OMG my game is ruined, I hate her, shes detestable, I hate her, This is a game but she is the only one I take seriously, I want her banned or gone from the game, man we cant beat her, but i'll never say it on the forums! Oh one more thing, I hate her!"
Get over it, and slow down a bit.
There is a line, my line in particular, you have crossed it and violated my cypher. You got into my living space, backed me into a corner.
My back was on the wall, so you left me with no choice. Come out swingin. Sorry I see you have backed up a bit, but when you attacked Tommy Gunz just to piss me off, you did. Mission accomplished. Now you effectively suirrendered all chance at ever thinking i will stop or there will be a resolution. Attack the violent, but attack the innocent and this is the price you pay. You made your bed . . Now Lay in IT.
The High Profitess has Spoken!!! |
| Johanas Bilderburg (Little Upsilon) | Tuesday, December 23, 2008 - 03:48 am
I don't hate you. That would involve knowing you or caring about your opinions, thoughts, and feelings.
I refuse to tolerate your bullshit. I refuse to tolerate your racism. Its very simple. Act in a reasonable manner and you will be treated reasonably.
Act like a troll and you will be treated as such.
Other than that we have nothing to say to each other so step. |
| Illo 0210 (Little Upsilon) | Tuesday, December 23, 2008 - 07:31 am
Has it REALLY been 4 months!? |
| John R | Tuesday, December 23, 2008 - 12:44 pm
ARE YOU CRAZY !?!
Does that ring a bell? Four months and sixteen days. Do you want me to say five months instead? Either way, it spells crazy in every sense of the word. |
| Johanas Bilderburg (Little Upsilon) | Tuesday, December 23, 2008 - 06:30 pm
I am down for another year. This is just a warmup. |
| Wendy | Tuesday, December 23, 2008 - 06:44 pm
Good then quit cryin already, my gosh. |
| Caretaker | Thursday, December 25, 2008 - 10:27 am
This needs to simmer down, look at the facts:
The majority of players on this forum do not 'flame' or 'troll.' Most use it for discussion of the game.
Some of those that do engage in verbal attacks do so for a reason - reaction to consistent snide remarks directed against them.
However, this is still a poor excuse for ruining the tranquility of the forum. More often than not, the source of the problem (the players posting these snide remarks) are not a threat in game, thus this is their only way of gaining 'victory.' If you ignore them, you cut off their only route of satisfaction, and leave them with the full responsibility for their actions.
Laguna cannot ban Wendy or any other badly behaved players until the people she directs these comments against behave in an entirely acceptable way. There must be one standard in judging behaviour, let us make John R's job easier; stop the personal attacks, and her inherant behaviour will show itself all the more. We must bear the insults until this happens.
Merry Christmas, Dubhthaigh. |
| The Wise One (White Giant) | Thursday, December 25, 2008 - 06:22 pm
I've decided to ask Santa for my own personal banhammer to use for Christmas.
That, along with a G.I. Joe with the kung-foo action grip. |
| ShcyzMattiCa (Little Upsilon) | Thursday, December 25, 2008 - 06:45 pm
Oh dubby, you miss me, your a flame troll as well.
/me *watches as the messiah(false or not) strokes hes ego, AGAIN*
Merry Xmas dubby wubby. |
| Barney Rubble (Little Upsilon) | Thursday, December 25, 2008 - 07:02 pm
Good advice dub |
| The Wise One (White Giant) | Friday, December 26, 2008 - 06:47 pm
Cool!!!
Santa brought me a coupon for a FREE breast reduction surgery.
I can finally get rid of my MOOBS. |
| Matt (Little Upsilon) | Friday, December 26, 2008 - 08:40 pm
Y'know, maybe John R's so called "prodigious" use of the banhammer is not such a bad thing. Let's think about this for a second....if you get banned every time you make a snide remark, will you make them anymore? PROBABLY not. So what's wrong with him utilising his powers in such a way? Maybe, with his use of the banhammer, he will be able to stop the crap that people like Wendy and King put out, and in turn stop the crap that people like Stuart, Johnanas, and those who (often with a good reason) respond snidely.
Remember, the purpose of these forums is not to verbally abuse one another...it is to discuss diplomacy, trade deals, war, etc., on the World of LU. So how about we keep it to those subjects?
Try to be mature, people....even though sometimes you just wanna insult people like Wendy, have a little self-control....and then John R won't HAVE to use the banhammer. |
| Zentrino (Little Upsilon) | Friday, December 26, 2008 - 10:31 pm
Matt: A voice of reason! I think those of us who understand your post already do not engage in such banter on the forums. Those who do use this as a bully pulpit will probably, unfortunately, not see the point you are trying to make and will continue to rant about the "banhammer" as they bash away at each other.
On a side note, I find many of the threads quite amusing as I read through the arguments so I am not sure I would want them all banned--at least not at the same time. Where would I go for a laugh on here? Maybe there could be some sort of rotation for the banned members to take. |
| The Wise One (White Giant) | Saturday, December 27, 2008 - 12:14 am
I just wish the bans weren't so indefinite. |
