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Thursday, December 23, 2010 - 10:52 pm  Hello I would like to ask for a 5 trillion grant to help me develop my country. I am a new player and need the money to help develop my country in many ways, such as use the money on upgrading my services and defense. My country name is: The Kingdom of Arabia Please everyone, accept the proposal as I would do the same for you. -Arfan
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| Thursday, December 23, 2010 - 10:57 pm Would you also like to upgrade your knowledge? Convert Today! Somebody get this man development aid!
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| Friday, December 24, 2010 - 12:26 am Proposal submitted. The members of the Council will make a decision. If enough members agree with your proposal, the resolution will be brought to general voting. their ya go,
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| Friday, December 24, 2010 - 07:51 am What about me!!!!
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| Friday, December 24, 2010 - 01:56 pm Short on cash? State run corps draining your budget? Military expansion raiding the bank? Whatever the cause of your impending downfall, we can help you. The Kingdom of Navamin financing program offers you a way out. Loans available to everyone who needs them at a low, low rate of 30% And the best part is, when your loan is due, we can offer you another one.
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| Friday, December 24, 2010 - 06:34 pm Thanks for all the replies especially to Navamin who gave me some excellent advice.
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| Friday, December 24, 2010 - 09:30 pm I think we should all vote for everyone to get 5 Trillion as a christmas gift? All in favour,AY
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| Friday, December 24, 2010 - 10:30 pm That would be great :D
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| Sunday, December 26, 2010 - 05:52 am I just can't figure out how anyone could not have enough money if they just don't buy a lot during those tender early years. I guess that's just it...if you are not a military player, it's rather easy to at least keep the books balanced. Which, is fine by me. Who wants to spend all there time solving debt problems when things like employment optimization and upgrading is so much more interesting.
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| Sunday, December 26, 2010 - 05:52 am Oops...I mean "their", not "there".
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| Sunday, December 26, 2010 - 06:18 pm I am in a stable financial position but I need the 5 trillion to help expand and upgrade my current situaution. My unemployment is minimal and I am currently trying to become level 2, I am really close too. I have to admit I made mistakes when I first started of, as most players do. As an unexperienced player I had constructed more than I could manage. At an early stage I built many military units thinking I could conquer all. But I promise the money the money I recieve will be spent very well. The people of Arabia will once again rise! I will ensure their security and kill poverty. When the time comes, I hope you all vote "Yes" and allow me to get the aid I require. -Arfan
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| Sunday, December 26, 2010 - 06:30 pm My yes vote is in Arfan....hope others follow suit. Good luck in your Arabian rise. EC
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| Monday, December 27, 2010 - 01:30 am Thank you brother,I hope our nations hold close ties in the future. 
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| Monday, December 27, 2010 - 01:36 pm So your country is fiscaly stable and your asking for nearly more money than your worth for your prosperity with no strings attached? You'll likely make more mistakes at the expence of another country who will inturn ask for aid. Sorry but I vote no. Perhaps selling some things would help or being patient like the reast of us.
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| Monday, December 27, 2010 - 06:50 pm "You'll likely make more mistakes at the expence of another country who will inturn ask for aid. " Dude, their is nearly 600T in aid available, i'm really not sure what the problem is. Its not like any one is lining up for the money... His cash on hand and military assets add up to less than 2T, and his monthly income is positive 3B. Which wont cover buying supplies for his country, its only the newb bonus that are keeping him afloat. (including the +15B monthly income, he'd be in the red with out,) Their no one else waiting for money, in fact, their hasn't been any one asking for aid for quite some time. Not being Sherlock Holmes, i don't know if he is a multi, so I gave him the benefit of the doubt. o well.
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| Monday, December 27, 2010 - 08:00 pm I agree with everything Josias just said. Without the beginners income my country would collapse. Anyway the voting is not going my way and looks like I won't be getting the development aid so there shouldn't be any more problems. But I would like to thank the 14 people so far who have voted For the aid and a special thanks to Josias and Navamin for supporting me. -Arfan
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| Monday, December 27, 2010 - 08:01 pm I agree 100%, whats the deal with giving a new player 5T, It am amazed at the NO votes on this one! Mr Arfan message me at Anaconda and I will offer help if you wish.
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| Monday, December 27, 2010 - 08:49 pm Nah it's okay, thanks for the help but I will try and manage on my own. Prehaps it'll get me more experience if I try to get through this alone. But really thank you so much for the help you offered, I will remember this.
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| Monday, December 27, 2010 - 11:31 pm I'm suprized the council even passed it for vote. If it did pass, i'm sure the other 100 or so countries in the same boat would get in line. That's why I'm here. I want 5T aid also, lol. Arfan, I believe your country will do fine with out the aid. It's up to you if you let it collapse or not. Utimately it's best to learn from your mistakes and it sounds like you are.
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| Tuesday, December 28, 2010 - 01:37 am what 100 other countries? tell them to post here and maybe they'll get some cash too. there's plenty of it ready to be handed out.
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| Tuesday, December 28, 2010 - 02:00 am I must of missed something in my past years absence. Is this Simcountry or shoots and ladders?
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| Tuesday, December 28, 2010 - 02:52 am Even if those 100 'other' countries got 5T there would still be several T's in the SC for aid! The point is that SC needs new players, and maybe a little help/interest in new pres is all they need to stay with the game. Even if it doesn't, and the money is 'wasted' big deal, its well worth the 'cost' imo. And remember 5T is NOT alot of money, c'mon guys!!!
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| Tuesday, December 28, 2010 - 11:15 am It's a hell of alot of money for a newish game level 1. I came back to SC becuase they emailed me and told me it was finaly free or no more time linit, what ever the case is... I had no way to pay for it before, so I left. If select few who read the forum and are looking for an easy ride, start getting hand outs by the security council, I'd leave again (WG at first). So ya win some and ya lose some. SimCountry can find new players, why not let them adress why they lose players? leave the world market out of it, it's not the security councils responsability. player can select a new country or sell defence then turn on peace mode.
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| Tuesday, December 28, 2010 - 12:10 pm You have my sympathy, Arfan. I did the same thing. While trying to get to Game Level 2 with defence as fast as possible, I must have overspent 300 - 400 billion to build my defence. And the index barely budged. After that I just sell them back to the market and get to level 2 by peace. Just follow Scarlet's guide and you will be on your way from financial trouble to financial freedom to having so much money that you have a headache not knowing where to spend it.
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| Tuesday, December 28, 2010 - 05:22 pm I voted in favour, though from looking at the numbers I think he'll be fine without it. Now, there is a lot of money and it seems like it's really difficult to distribute aid due to votes. Maybe we should set up some kind of criteria, find the worst off countries and all agree to distribute some of the resources to them?
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| Tuesday, December 28, 2010 - 05:51 pm Arfan, after you get the 5T, I recommend joining a good federation, perhaps Insane Asylum or WGC, to learn from. You will have your economy up and running if you listen to their advice. Serpent has already stretched out a hand/scale/tentacle?? Lol Take a peak at his countries and you'll see a good model to build off of. I recommend taking him up on the offer he put out there. Message him at Anaconda. The WGC is loaded with vets more than willing to help you out. Jo (Hanky Panky Hippy Land) or Dale (Phaeton) would be a good place to start. 5T is not much...I'd take the opportunity to make the most of it. Regards, EC
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| Tuesday, December 28, 2010 - 07:54 pm Thanks for all the replies, I don't think I will be getting the 5T aid. I would love to join a federation, but I don't see how I can help any of the big ones. But yet again, thank you for all the people that supported me on both the forum and in-game.
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| Tuesday, December 28, 2010 - 10:20 pm Setting up a criteria for aid is a fine idea imo, Navamin. Good luck to you, Arfan.
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| Wednesday, December 29, 2010 - 12:53 am If the security council, players or whomever could come up with something that everyone could agree on, than when a person has been determined to meet the criteria perhaps on the forum, then perhaps we'd have more luck getting money distributed. Glad you like the idea, Synicus.
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| Wednesday, December 29, 2010 - 01:31 pm 26 votes for the aid proposed for Arfan 113 votes against the proposed aid for Arfan Are you serious? That huge stockpile of cash sitting, rotting in the security council, and why the hell does everyone vote against this?  He's an active player, wanting a little help. 5T is NOTHING, and it sure doesn't come out of our own pockets. Arfan...message me in game at Rainy Day Foothold. I will give you 5T cash.
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| Wednesday, December 29, 2010 - 01:50 pm How about a proposal to re-imburse EC for that 5T?
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| Wednesday, December 29, 2010 - 03:31 pm sigh.....
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| Wednesday, December 29, 2010 - 04:24 pm Wow, somehow I got my economy to stabalize, and now have 1.2T cash. So I don't think i'll be needing that 5T development afterall. Thanks for the offer EC but I prefer not to take money of individual players. I think due to all these protests on the forum, the next person will be lucky enough to get more votes, and possibly the aid
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| Wednesday, December 29, 2010 - 05:00 pm Well then.....do you have 5T I can borrow???...just kidding LMAO...congrats on getting your economy headed the right direction!
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| Wednesday, December 29, 2010 - 09:05 pm Lol, thanks! Couldn't have done it without you guys Thanks for the support guys, it really helped me pull my country in the right direction.
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| Wednesday, December 29, 2010 - 10:36 pm EC just another question, as I am trying to recover my economy and probably won't go to war (if I choose to) for months, should I tag myself peaceful? And does level 2 increase the production of my corps? If I tag peaceful I will have to raise my social security by about 10, and if I include defense, I will have to increase my defence by 7 (expensive). Any advice?
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| Wednesday, December 29, 2010 - 11:00 pm I'm not a good candidate to ask questions about being "peaceful". Maybe someone else can jump in on this one??? The best advice I can give is to join a fed. Peaceful or not, I think its the way to go. Hook up with Serpent and The Insane Asylum, or maybe the WGC. Both of those feds have forums that you can learn a ton from.
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| Thursday, December 30, 2010 - 12:13 am EC, Alot of voters don't read the forum much, they take a look at the country and see that not only is nothing wrong with the country, It's better off than alot of the voters countries. There might even be a portion of voters who don't know of the security councils surplus. Even still, it only takes a lil forsight to see the potentual disasters that could follow, all of wich would likely have no affect on Rich countries currently in federations aside from supply and demand for low level corps.
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| Thursday, December 30, 2010 - 12:20 am In my opinion, the peaceful levels are pretty good until about Level 4. Keep in mind that peaceful/war levels ONLY change the game level calculations, nothing else (plus you can alternate between them as much as you like). If you're using war levels to level up and don't plan on fighting anytime soon, use Missile Interceptor Batteries to increase your defensive index the greatest amount at the cheapest price. You can always sell them off later from the Products in Stock page. Right now, whichever option you think is cheapest is generally the way to go.
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| Thursday, December 30, 2010 - 02:07 am Arfan, game level 2 gives gc for the first time you get it(50 for full members only) and allows you to build level 2 corporations. It does not increase production. Welfare index and salary of the individual corporation increase production. Welfare index depends on a lot of the other indexes. Right now, it is kept down by your Social Security. Social Security is cheap to raise compared to the rest and it can be kept lower by reducing your unemployed workers. You do not need defense if you get peaceful. You can keep up with the increased social security costs by upgrading your state corporation quality by buying AQP. That is a potential 5-6 b at least though you have to wait a while for it to get there.
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| Thursday, December 30, 2010 - 12:14 pm I also haven't paid for a membership yet. Will I get the rewards for leveling up after I pay? Anyone know this?
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| Thursday, December 30, 2010 - 07:48 pm Thanks for advice spires, it was really helpful. nd thanks to everyone else that replied. You have all helped me ALOT. EC if I was to join a good federation, I would be letting them down, and I wouldn't benefit them that much.
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| Friday, December 31, 2010 - 02:02 am I'm sure the large military players could easily absorb any defense deficit you were to create in the larger federations.
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| Sunday, January 2, 2011 - 03:32 am Wow, almost got 2 trillion hard to belive that I was bankrupt just last week. But I am still waiting for the beginners income bonus to stop, that's when the challenge really starts. And wow this thread got about 45 replies :D Also I got to level 3 in a day!
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| Sunday, January 2, 2011 - 05:56 am Good for you, Arfan. 10b loss(counting beginners income bonus as loss) per month is manageable. So long as you upgrade the quality of your old corps not just your new ones. You might want to make sure your welfare index keep increasing as that will ensure more production and therefore more income.
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