| chrysostom (White Giant) | Friday, August 6, 2010 - 06:57 pm 
| Federation | Army (millions) | Population (millions) | Income (billions) | Total Assets (billions) | Countries | Presidents | | WGC | 475 | 10,686 | $26,192.7 | $2,627,971.7 | 224 | 33 | | The Mob | 208 | 2,483 | $5,823.7 | $438,474.5 | 68 | 9 | | Zero Hour | 80 | 1,645 | $5,277.4 | $515,884.3 | 23 | 4 | | SNAPP | 73 | 2,388 | $5,061.5 | $779,571.6 | 88 | 43 | | Cuckoos Nest | 31 | 737 | $1,886.8 | $310,065.6 | 13 | 4 | | WG United Nations | 6 | 450 | $713.5 | $200,769.2 | 14 | 1 | |
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| Serpent (White Giant) | Friday, August 6, 2010 - 10:25 pm
Great post! I do have a question though. Who is the underdog? Is this unfair? |
| chrysostom (White Giant) | Saturday, August 7, 2010 - 03:58 am
Who is the underdog? WGC has better military statistics on-paper. However, The Mob has the advantage of a surprise attack.
Is this unfair? War is never fair. |
| Blueserpent | Saturday, August 7, 2010 - 05:22 am
countries/pop/army activated = |
| chrysostom (White Giant) | Saturday, August 7, 2010 - 06:09 pm
I posted the paper statistics; people can decide for themselves how to interpret them. I don't believe that paper statistics are all that matter in a war. They matter, but so do other factors. |
| chrysostom (White Giant) | Saturday, August 7, 2010 - 06:47 pm
| federation | Army (millions) | Population (millions) | Income(billions) | Countries | Presidents | | WGC | 365 | 8,710 | $20,948 | 191 | 33 | | The Mob | 199 | 2,482 | $5,787 | 68 | 9 | | Zero Hour | 80 | 1,647 | $5,265 | 23 | 4 | | SNAPP | 73 | 2,394 | $5,085 | 88 | 43 | | Cuckoos Nest | 31 | 737 | $1,880 | 13 | 4 | | GSE | 22 | 384 | $1,022 | 7 | 2 | | Insane Asylum | 16 | 195 | $548 | 4 | 2 | | Ohio Independent | 14 | 360 | $772 | 8 | 1 | | Aurora Australis | 13 | 254 | $713 | 4 | 1 | | White Rose Commonwe | 12 | 456 | $1,205 | 8 | 1 | | Final Fantasy | 11 | 364 | $885 | 8 | 1 | | WG ZONE | 10 | 250 | $770 | 6 | 1 | | TGDF | 10 | 280 | $914 | 5 | 1 | |
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| chrysostom (White Giant) | Saturday, August 7, 2010 - 06:53 pm
The war results so far so WGC has 110 million fewer officers and soldiers, The Mob has 8 million fewer officers and soldiers. WGC has 33 fewer countries, the Mob has the same number as before. WGC has lost 6 trillion in income and almost 2 billion in population. The Mob is about the same. These losses took place over the last 24 hours.
NOTE: these stats do not include countries owned by The Mob or WGC that are not in a Mob or WGC federation. The Mob owns a substancial number of countries (including those taken from WGC members) that are not in Mob federations.
This is simply providing publically avalible data. |
| chrysostom (White Giant) | Sunday, August 8, 2010 - 02:00 am
Data after 1 more month.
| Federation | Army (millions) | Population(millions) | Countries | Presidents | Income (billions) | | WGC | 337 | 8,255 | 184 | 33 | $19,512 | | The Mob | 199 | 2,458 | 66 | 9 | $5,696 | | Zero Hour | 80 | 1,649 | 23 | 4 | $5,259 | | SNAPP | 73 | 2,397 | 88 | 43 | $5,057 | | Cuckoos Nest | 31 | 737 | 13 | 4 | $1,869 | | GSE | 22 | 383 | 7 | 2 | $1,015 | | Insane Asylum | 17 | 195 | 4 | 2 | $551 | | Ohio Independent | 14 | 360 | 8 | 1 | $764 | | Aurora Australis | 13 | 254 | 4 | 1 | $710 | | White Rose Commonwe | 12 | 456 | 8 | 1 | $1,191 | | Final Fantasy | 11 | 364 | 8 | 1 | $887 | | WG ZONE | 10 | 250 | 6 | 1 | $764 | | TGDF | 10 | 280 | 5 | 1 | $907 | | WG United Nations | 6 | 450 | 14 | 1 | $708 | | Nuclear Weapon Stoc | 6 | 205 | 10 | 1 | $282 | |
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| Orbiter (White Giant) | Sunday, August 8, 2010 - 06:52 am
thank you chrysostom |
| chrysostom (White Giant) | Sunday, August 8, 2010 - 08:45 pm
Ok, a final post-war update. I sorted federations by their total game score. I then moved The Mob to the top of the list. The reason I hand-moved them to the top is in recognition of their victory over WGC. Although I have no desire to encourage or support unprovoked attacks designed to obtain bragging rights; it would be fundementally disshonest to not place The Mob at the top of the list, given what took place this weekend.
| federation | totalscore | Presidents | Population (millions) | Army size (millions) | Income (billions) | Production (billions) | Assets (billions) | | The Mob | 78253 | 9 | 2,414 | 197 | $5,612 | $11,514 | $348,001 | | WGC | 357106 | 33 | 7,946 | 314 | $18,520 | $50,880 | $2,005,470 | | SNAPP | 147142 | 43 | 2,400 | 74 | $5,065 | $17,498 | $740,612 | | Zero Hour | 63991 | 4 | 1,649 | 79 | $5,248 | $11,755 | $508,497 | | Cuckoos Nest | 28045 | 4 | 737 | 31 | $1,857 | $3,168 | $313,510 | | Nueva Vida | 28023 | 2 | 679 | 1 | $1,719 | $6,572 | $513,144 | | White Rose Commonwe | 21109 | 1 | 456 | 12 | $1,183 | $4,636 | $161,243 | | WG ZONE | 15576 | 1 | 250 | 10 | $763 | $2,004 | $75,573 | | WG United Nations | 14826 | 1 | 450 | 6 | $704 | $2,526 | $199,703 | | TGDF | 12570 | 1 | 280 | 10 | $914 | $1,744 | $644,546 | | Final Fantasy | 12447 | 1 | 305 | 10 | $756 | $2,272 | $91,982 | | Ohio Independent | 11619 | 1 | 360 | 14 | $765 | $2,314 | $146,307 | | GSE | 11149 | 2 | 383 | 22 | $1,016 | $2,443 | $106,493 | | Aurora Australis | 10979 | 1 | 254 | 13 | $709 | $1,641 | $180,927 | | Nuclear Weapon Stoc | 9622 | 1 | 205 | 6 | $281 | $567 | $14,894 | | Lowania | 5861 | 2 | 64 | 2 | $90 | $350 | $10,948 | | Insane Asylum | 5707 | 2 | 195 | 17 | $552 | $792 | $22,925 | |
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| chrysostom (White Giant) | Friday, August 13, 2010 - 03:14 am
Updated Federation stats
| Federation | totalscore | Countries | Presidents | Population (millions) | Army Millions | Income Billions | Production (billions) | Assets (billions) | | The Mob | 65048 | 48 | 7 | 2,143 | 166 | $5,095 | $9,464 | $303,166 | | WGC | 278256 | 147 | 29 | 6,101 | 217 | $13,798 | $33,154 | $1,694,137 | | SNAPP | 174312 | 99 | 45 | 2,772 | 95 | $5,838 | $17,012 | $763,297 | | Zero Hour | 60693 | 21 | 4 | 1,555 | 78 | $5,009 | $10,174 | $425,083 | | Cuckoos Nest | 28107 | 13 | 4 | 737 | 31 | $1,848 | $3,086 | $296,780 | | Insane Asylum | 8730 | 6 | 3 | 310 | 27 | $898 | $1,443 | $41,758 | | GSE | 11472 | 7 | 2 | 385 | 23 | $1,037 | $2,109 | $72,560 | | BEO | 17272 | 8 | 1 | 450 | 20 | $1,177 | $2,815 | $92,066 | | Ohio Independent | 11453 | 8 | 1 | 360 | 15 | $799 | $1,918 | $138,556 | | Aurora Australis | 10977 | 4 | 1 | 254 | 13 | $709 | $1,604 | $176,933 | | White Rose Common | 20915 | 8 | 1 | 456 | 12 | $1,186 | $4,176 | $150,007 | | WG ZONE | 15990 | 6 | 1 | 254 | 10 | $791 | $1,870 | $55,601 | | TGDF | 12759 | 5 | 1 | 279 | 10 | $923 | $1,635 | $651,709 | |
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| Psycho_Honey (Little Upsilon) | Friday, August 13, 2010 - 03:26 am
Kind of fundamentally dishonest to sort by total score than hand pick the number 1 spot lol. |
| Serpent (White Giant) | Friday, August 13, 2010 - 05:20 am
Jealous?
Yes you are!
I can see it in your typing! |
| Psycho_Honey (Little Upsilon) | Friday, August 13, 2010 - 05:37 am
A statement pointing out errors of fundamental hypocrisy are in no way Jealous.
I think you are fundamentally incorrect.
It shows in your typing. |
| Serpent (White Giant) | Friday, August 13, 2010 - 06:20 am
Naaa but you are FUN-DA-MENTAL, or at least you think its fun! Muh hahahah, thats funny, I dont care who ya are! |
| chrysostom (White Giant) | Friday, August 13, 2010 - 03:59 pm
Wendy,
For the latest update, I sorted by army size. It is in the previous update that I sorted by the game's Total Score metric. I do not agree with the total score metric as it overrates players who play for goals such as leveling and maintaining the highest possible score. It underscores players who play to make a profit out of their countries, to make a profit from raids, and who have real militaries rather than on-paper ones.
The reason, in the prior update that I placed The Mob over WGC is that they had just won a war against WGC. This time, I placed The Mob over WGC to maintain tradition. Namely, because I had placed The Mob over WGC last update, and see no reason to change the practise at this time.
However, that said, Wendy, you are more than welcome to reply with your own list of the order you believe the federations should be ranked. |
| Psycho_Honey (Little Upsilon) | Friday, August 13, 2010 - 07:57 pm
Quote - "Ok, a final post-war update. I sorted federations by their total game score. I then moved The Mob to the top of the list. The reason I hand-moved them to the top is in recognition of their victory over WGC. Although I have no desire to encourage or support unprovoked attacks designed to obtain bragging rights; it would be fundementally disshonest to not place The Mob at the top of the list , given what took place this weekend." Chrysostom
As a result of personal opinion: which is fundamentally flawed btw, because you sorted by score, as observed by your statement above.
Now if you sorted by who won the last war or some other discretionary statistic or value, you could fundamentally place whomever you wanted at the top of the List.
However score is not left to the discretion of someone compiling the statistics. Score is a set value, or fixed value. To say that that you sorted by score then violated your own variable used to apply ranking, is literally a fundamental error on your part.
Had you sorted by Super Butt Kissing Value, then yes, you being author, you could then place whatever federation that you'd like to kiss the butt of most, at the top of the list.
So, in conclusion, I am correct in stating that, you are incorrect in your application of 'fundamental error', when placing a lower scoring federation over the highest scoring federation in a table that is sorted by highest score. Even given the updates before, during, and after the war, the mob still has yet to pass them in score.
Your argument would be justified had you substituted Super Butt Kissing as a value in the place or score, in any instance.
You are fundamentally corrected. You're Welcome.
I won't post any stats. I never have or will. They are fundamentally a waste of time. I detest wastefulness in any form. I never really cared about stats. I think they are Ghay, kinda like you. Ghay in a corny kinda way, not homophobic, so don't mistake the message there. |
| Jiang Hu Warrior (Kebir Blue) | Saturday, August 14, 2010 - 01:52 am
eh i dont get it.....................is it cos we are thick |
| Laguna | Saturday, August 14, 2010 - 01:56 am
No, chrysostom, Wendy is right. Descriptive statistics are descriptive, not inductive. |
| chrysostom (White Giant) | Sunday, August 15, 2010 - 01:18 am
Wendy,
Thank you for your input. I would appreciate if you would take back calling me Ghay, or saying that I'm Super Butt Kissing. I have no problem if you accuse me of "butt kissing," but I believe to add the word "Super" before it goes too far. I have never made similar accusations of you, and those accusations are not fair about me.
Thanks :-) |
| Blueserpent (White Giant) | Sunday, August 15, 2010 - 01:25 am
/ sighs |
| Aaron Doolavay (White Giant) | Sunday, August 15, 2010 - 07:08 am
if you can't be a super butt kisser what really is there left to live for? |
| TuCulo EsMio (Fearless Blue) | Sunday, August 15, 2010 - 08:02 am
Lick the boots, in a super kind of way? |
| Orbiter (Little Upsilon) | Sunday, August 15, 2010 - 08:08 am
using breath mints first? |
| Orbiter (Little Upsilon) | Sunday, August 15, 2010 - 08:12 am
sorry chryso, it was just for the humor |
| chrysostom (White Giant) | Tuesday, August 17, 2010 - 06:21 am
lol |
| chrysostom (White Giant) | Saturday, August 21, 2010 - 03:40 am
Just for Wendy, a new special update that sorts purely by game score, per her suggestion.
| Federation | Score | Countries | Presidents | Population (millions) | Army (millions) | Income (billions) | Production (billions) | Assets (billions) | | WGC | 282238 | 149 | 28 | 6,177 | 215 | $14,247 | $34,899 | $1,616,916 | | SNAPP | 179468 | 102 | 45 | 2,853 | 98 | $6,223 | $18,241 | $755,864 | | Zero Hour | 60021 | 21 | 4 | 1,553 | 79 | $5,176 | $10,004 | $468,274 | | The Mob | 56664 | 35 | 7 | 1,820 | 138 | $4,488 | $8,652 | $147,432 | | Cuckoos Nest | 28198 | 13 | 4 | 736 | 31 | $1,890 | $3,001 | $328,497 | | Nueva Vida | 26804 | 10 | 2 | 681 | 1 | $1,796 | $5,588 | $400,013 | | White Rose Commonwe | 21001 | 8 | 1 | 456 | 12 | $1,234 | $4,215 | $163,204 | | BEO | 19001 | 9 | 1 | 487 | 15 | $1,232 | $3,188 | $68,259 | | WG ZONE | 16236 | 6 | 1 | 257 | 11 | $899 | $1,952 | $48,622 | |
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| whiteboy (Little Upsilon) | Saturday, August 21, 2010 - 04:14 am
Thanks for putting in all the time chrysostom, but there's not much to see here anymore. We're all stripping down and out. The reign at the top on WG was short lived because it wasn't much fun...it's all good though now that the war game is dead we can ALL be econ players...good times  |
| Keith Vann (White Giant) | Wednesday, August 25, 2010 - 12:27 pm
don't count on it |
| Orbiter (Little Upsilon) | Thursday, August 26, 2010 - 09:09 pm
hey, i've been wondering, what does snapp stand for? did i miss it being posted somewhere else? |
| Aaron Doolavay (White Giant) | Thursday, August 26, 2010 - 11:36 pm
Soverign Nations Allied for Peace and prosperity, its their ideology statement |
| chrysostom (White Giant) | Wednesday, September 1, 2010 - 02:35 pm
This update may be shocking for some.
| federation | totalscore | countrycount | prescount | popmil | armysizemil | incomebil | productionbil | assetsbil | | WGC | 288666 | 148 | 26 | 6,319 | 218 | $15,804 | $40,388 | $1,881,624 | | SNAPP | 180894 | 102 | 44 | 2,938 | 101 | $6,869 | $20,413 | $831,528 | | The Mob | 30396 | 20 | 6 | 1,091 | 81 | $2,907 | $5,759 | $(11,427) | | Zero Hour | 59382 | 21 | 4 | 1,596 | 72 | $5,726 | $10,562 | $502,460 | | GSE | 18183 | 11 | 2 | 602 | 49 | $1,761 | $2,905 | $48,619 | | Cuckoos Nest | 28078 | 13 | 4 | 736 | 31 | $1,954 | $3,170 | $342,183 | | WG ZONE | 17846 | 11 | 1 | 412 | 18 | $1,468 | $2,722 | $20,832 | | Insane Asylum | 7395 | 5 | 3 | 262 | 17 | $831 | $1,572 | $54,213 | | BEO | 18727 | 9 | 1 | 474 | 15 | $1,258 | $3,412 | $75,356 | | Da Neadon Masif | 6979 | 4 | 1 | 288 | 14 | $701 | $1,677 | $3,028 | | Aurora Australis | 10980 | 4 | 1 | 253 | 13 | $762 | $1,661 | $218,594 | | White Rose Commonwealth | 21998 | 8 | 1 | 458 | 12 | $1,307 | $4,505 | $169,684 | | TGDF | 12834 | 5 | 1 | 281 | 10 | $1,023 | $1,660 | $659,469 | |
(Note: players may be affiliated with eachother even if not formally in the same federation) |
| Keith Vann | Thursday, September 2, 2010 - 01:04 am
Can you do indiviual empires? |
| Psycho_Honey (Little Upsilon) | Thursday, September 2, 2010 - 02:52 am
Hmmm Individual Empires... sounds yummy! |
| chrysostom (White Giant) | Sunday, September 5, 2010 - 10:26 pm
yes, will do. first, here is an update for the fed stats
| federation | totalscore | countrycount | prescount | popmil | armysizemil | incomebil | productionbil | assetsbil | | WGC | 284672 | 146 | 26 | 6,224 | 214 | $15,983 | $36,138 | $1,906,576 | | SNAPP | 185096 | 106 | 48 | 3,058 | 104 | $7,303 | $19,291 | $799,721 | | The Mob | 31091 | 19 | 6 | 1,066 | 78 | $2,970 | $5,497 | $(857) | | Zero Hour | 59066 | 21 | 4 | 1,598 | 71 | $6,050 | $10,709 | $448,111 | | GSE North | 12347 | 8 | 2 | 412 | 34 | $1,108 | $1,827 | $(33,217) | | Cuckoos Nest | 28034 | 13 | 4 | 736 | 30 | $2,004 | $3,081 | $338,228 | | Coulrophobia | 9518 | 7 | 1 | 386 | 24 | $936 | $2,152 | $11,502 | | WG ZONE | 15844 | 11 | 1 | 414 | 17 | $1,415 | $2,529 | $6,697 | | Insane Asylum | 5835 | 3 | 2 | 213 | 16 | $787 | $1,399 | $46,594 | | BEO | 18639 | 9 | 1 | 472 | 15 | $1,289 | $3,019 | $79,065 | | Aurora Australis | 10969 | 4 | 1 | 253 | 13 | $778 | $1,605 | $223,712 | | GSE South | 7596 | 4 | 1 | 219 | 12 | $689 | $950 | $54,723 | | TGDF | 12868 | 5 | 1 | 287 | 10 | $1,060 | $1,719 | $656,091 | |
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