| Kaymen Ultra Vires (White Giant) | Tuesday, May 4, 2010 - 09:25 pm 
I strongly urge all members of WG to vote against this proposal. Wendy (Psycho_Honey) leader of Her Holiness Arriving is well known for starting multiple unnecessary nuclear wars on several worlds for little or no reason. In fact, she even recently admitted to starting wars to drive up weapons prices in order to increase profits for her CEO, which is heavily weapons focused. A more unethical reason for starting a war I cannot think of.
Wendy is presently, and has recently been, involved in several nuclear wars on other worlds which have involved her launching upwards of 100 nuclear strikes in the last month. These are not the actions of a player who derserves aid, nor are they they actions of a player who needs aid. She clearly has lots of cash if she can afford such an expansive nuclear arsenal. |
| Psycho_Honey (Little Upsilon) | Tuesday, May 4, 2010 - 11:20 pm
Is there a reason that you are talking about me silly hobbit? I never asked for any aid. LOL
Oh, and you have mail....  on LU |
| Psycho_Honey (White Giant) | Tuesday, May 4, 2010 - 11:27 pm
You should learn to keep my name out of your mouth. Maybe some of your friends can convince you. |
| Kaymen Ultra Vires (Little Upsilon) | Wednesday, May 5, 2010 - 02:34 am
I never said you asked for any aid. Regardless, the proposal has still been made whether you like it or not. I feel it is important to speak against it, and so I am.
Seeing as you've sent me no message, I suspect by "mail" you're referring to air-mail of the nuclear variety, as that is your style. I think it's pretty funny that you're doing exactly what I figured you'd do, threaten me with yet another war simply because I'm doing my job as a SC member and saying what I think is right. |
| Jameson34 (White Giant) | Wednesday, May 5, 2010 - 04:13 am
Why does this person supposedly need aid if they have nukes to throw around? |
| Psycho_Honey (Little Upsilon) | Wednesday, May 5, 2010 - 06:01 am
Who is threatening you Kymen? I'm just letting you know you shouldn't be running your mouth sideways, I'll dec you and whoever is with you for talkin stupid. You went a little further than, "I don't think Wendy needs aid."
You are talkin trash hobbit. I'm not threatening you. Honestly, I could care less for ya buddy. But if you speak of the devil, sometimes he pops up.
If you speak of Inanna, so will she...
Read between the lines Kymen. Made you look that is the message.
You ready? I'll dec you right now if you really want some mail. I have no nukes on WG, and you won't be talkin silly about me without some backlash. Very simple.
Should we start a new thread "Join the WGC declarations on Wendy?" |
| Kaymen Ultra Vires (White Giant) | Wednesday, May 5, 2010 - 08:33 am
hehehe, Psycho Honey has declared war on me.
Declaration of War
Sat Aug 20, 2721 Murder Weapon has declared war on Pro Bono. War will start on 20-12-2721.
her solution to everything... *sigh* |
| Psycho_Honey (White Giant) | Wednesday, May 5, 2010 - 08:47 am
I need to unload some chitty countries and replace them with some BBQ WGC.
Mmmmm Mmmmm Yummy
Lets see how long before the Sc resolutions and behind the scenes whining starts. Big federations are my favorite. |
| chrysostom (White Giant) | Wednesday, May 5, 2010 - 10:39 pm
Dear Wendy,
I have been working with both you and Kaymen as a partner on WG for a while. I enjoy working with you both, and it is an honor to enter into your discussion. I beg your pardon if my comments are unwelcome. Just let me know if that is the case, and I shall comment no more on this thread.
During your discussion with Kaymen, you shared that, in regards to Kaymen, "I'll dec you and whoever is with you for talkin stupid."
I deeply respect both your right and Kaymen's right to share your views on the SC forum without risk of military retaliation based on those views. As that is the case, I consider myself as someone who stands for the right of both you and Kaymen to speak.
Since you have declared on Kaymen, based on his "talking stupid," I have decided to consider myself as "with" him.
I have declared war on Murder Weapon in response to the war you started by attacking Pro Bono.
You see, Wendy, I have FAR more military corps than you do, and prices are just down too low. I need to do something to help your quest to raise prices, so I joined the war.
I also joined so that I can improve my fighting skills. It will be an honor and a joy to learn from a master, such as yourself, how to better fight on SC.
In the most immediate sense, I joined the war to defend the rights of you, and others -- including Kaymen -- to speak your mind on the forum. Sadly, Wendy, if we were to start by not allowing stupid people to talk....it would eventually lead to an unfair ban on even the most eloquent speakers, such as yourself. As I could not sit idly by and allow a chain of events that would silence the constant stream of wisdom and grace that you share with the SC community, I found it necessary to draw my sword to protect your right to speak. The price of your free speech, your holiness, is that Kaymen and others must also be allowed to speak.
But, know that when I mention words like "price" that I only mean the price that others pay. You and I are far above spending money for a war. I have 562 weapons and ammunition corps in one of my CEOs. That doesn't count the weapons components and the ammunition components or the military supplies, or the aircraft fuel, or any of the other products used by the military. Like you, your holiness, I also profit greatly from war; though, like you, I profit greatly from peace also.
Should you, in your great mercy and wisdom, decide that it is worthwhile to protect Kaymen's right to speak, and decide to allow him to live in peace, than I will call of my attacks and continue to live in peace and friendship with you.
Should you continue to deny his right to speak, by attacking him with your mighty armies, I have no choice but to stand with him...and to stand to protect also your right to speak. For if you destroy him for speaking -- do you not also put at-risk, your own right to speak? Would it not be unfair to the entire SC community, if the SC community were to be deprived of your inspiring words, and insightful comments?
I hope that, given the height of your greatness, you are willing to understand how greatly the ensure SC community appreciates the wisdom you share with us, your witty comments, and the great joy your writings bring to us. I hope you can understand why I would be so saddened were that freedom taken away. Please understand, to protect your right to speak, I must also protect Kaymen's.
Please do not allow people to mislead you into thinking this has to do with WGC. Iain, a member of WGC, put forward the resolution. Kaymen opposed it. Within WGC, there were some who supported the resolution and some who were opposed to it. My opinion is and was that such an offer is far below your greatness. $5 trillion is nothing to one as great as you. My opinion is that it is an insult to offer you less than $100 trillion in aid. An insult! I voted against the bill. How dare they offer a queen a small piece of moldy bread while she is feasting. Anything less than the finest food is not worth offering to one such as yourself. My advice is that Iain should give you -- from his own stash of coins -- $100 trillion. Far better than a piddling $5 trillion from a welfare fund for the poor.
I have placed none of my countries in secure mode (though my secure main always stays there, and will remain), and although I desire peace and friendship with you; I will not have peace at the cost of your tongue. In order to protect your tongue, so too much Kaymen's be safe.
Hopefully, this situation can be resolved peacefully and friendly...if not...feel free to buy some more ammunition from me in order to help me learn better about war ...
Chrysostom |
| Psycho_Honey (Little Upsilon) | Wednesday, May 5, 2010 - 11:51 pm
Chrysostom
mMMMK WUTEVA.... |
| nix001 (Fearless Blue) | Thursday, May 6, 2010 - 12:05 am
Quote: 'Wendy (Psycho_Honey) leader of Her Holiness Arriving is well known for starting multiple unnecessary nuclear wars on several worlds for little or no reason.'
That theres slander. Thats what that there is.
Slander I tell you.
CALL:07771237779 for my NO WIN NO FEE package. |
| chrysostom (White Giant) | Thursday, May 6, 2010 - 05:07 am
Wendy,
Thank you for your kind response. I'm humbled and honored that you took the time to write such kind words.
Nix001,
You are astute to point an an area where I must admit that my friend Kaymen is in error. Her holiness would never start an unneccessary war. Kaymen, himself, pointed out to me the recession that is taking place in the ammunition market. Her holiness is the only player on WG with the insight, forethought, inventiveness, and courage to help solve this problem.
Her holiness had the accumen to see the problem and the courage to start the war that would help drive up demand for ammunition and weapons.
Were it not for her daring efforts to cause war, millions would be without a job. More concerning, the price of amunition would drop to the point where ... dare I even speak it... some players would own corps that lost money.
Think for a moment about the horrors caused by a drop in ammunition and weapons prices! Only her holiness had the courage to save these markets...
No, the war is not unneeded! It is critical to the economic survival of many players.
Thank you Wendy for seeing the need for war, and manufacturing it where no one else could!
I hope all the other players on WG will wise-up and thank her holiness for having the forsight to cause a war. I for one, am not so ungreatfull as to fail to recognize her kindness.
Yet still, despite my realization of her holiness's dedication to the common good, I still hope her holiness can find a way to bring about peace and friendship...
Perhaps, at some point, she will decide that the war's true and neccessary purpose -- to drive up prices -- has been accomplished. It would be a shame for more blood to be drawn in this war than what is needed.
But I, for one, will forget neither the need to protect the right of her wise and honorable holiness to speak, nor the need to use up amunition to drive up prices....until the time for peace has come. |
| Psycho_Honey (Little Upsilon) | Thursday, May 6, 2010 - 05:53 am
HuH?
Classic case of where less is more LOL! |
| Psycho_Honey (White Giant) | Thursday, May 6, 2010 - 03:06 pm
BoyCott?!
Oh how can I lol at thee WGC? My economy is ruined at the impotent hand of thine boycott. Now I must serve thee justice and give myself many lulz until thine boycott perish. Lest we all fade away. |
| chrysostom (White Giant) | Thursday, May 6, 2010 - 06:04 pm
Dear Wendy,
Well said. Your words are poetry and grace to us all. As you are aware, your holiness, a boycott is really nothing more than a symbolic, and polite request that a player consider peace. Hardly would it affect such a knowledgable and skilled player as yourself.
I, myself, your holiness instituted the boycott, and did so for your own good. There are some who are missguided and do not see you as the light of Sim Country. In their blindness, they would make war with you -- not for the noble reasons of protecting your speech and your right to profit -- but for a misguided cause.
I felt it necessary to prevent you that annoyance, and started a boycott. This will allow many of them to -- rather than attacking you -- feel that they have done something by signing on to the boycott.
Thus, I have spared you the annoyance of a war, by giving them a peacefull way to request peace with you.
In your forsight, you saw to attack another of Kaymen's countries, and so I too joined your cause to increase war prices and declared on a country of yours. It would be a dishonor if I did not remain an equal partner in the drive to raise prices. |
| nix001 (Little Upsilon) | Thursday, May 6, 2010 - 06:58 pm
â—¦Lawyer: "Trooper, when you stopped the defendant, were your red and blue lights flashing?"
â—¦Witness: "Yes."
â—¦Lawyer: "Did the defendant say anything when she got out of her car?"
â—¦Witness: "Yes, sir."
â—¦Lawyer: "What did she say?"
â—¦Witness: "'What disco am I at?'"
|
| Crossdale | Thursday, May 6, 2010 - 11:42 pm
LOL!!!!!Disco!!! |
| Psycho_Honey (White Giant) | Friday, May 7, 2010 - 10:45 pm
From: Sword
To: Her Holiness Arriving
Real Date: 07-05-2010 06:13:15
World Date: February 19 2722
Subject: Fwd: peace
Message: Forwarded from Miko Tan
Wendy, Kaymen just got WGC permission to use nukes. As his friend, I think it will make him look bad to nuke you, and I don't want that. I expect you are hurt that he said things you don't like about you on the forum, and want some sort of appology. I have an offer for you. You agree to end the war with no conditions on him, except that he stop attacking (as well as his allies). If you do that, I'll issue a statement saying that his critisism of you was not completly fair, and I'll appologize for declaring on you. I can only negotiate for me, not for Kaymen. |
| Psycho_Honey (White Giant) | Friday, May 7, 2010 - 10:47 pm
Look who wants to use nukes now
Thank you, how hypocritical of you awl.
There will be no peace, just Death Destruction and Many LuLz.
And WGC taking a few nodos |
| Jo Salkilld (White Giant) | Saturday, May 8, 2010 - 04:00 am
Chrysostom is not authorised to make offers on behalf of WGC and, as such, his posts to this forum and his message to Wendy were entirely his own initiative and not representative of WGC's position.
WGC has not yet authorised the use of nuclear weapons against any players on White Giant and will only do so if it will not affect those not involved in the conflict. Chrysostom's misunderstanding arose from an internal discussion in which we are considering that, as there are no unsecured countries within fallout range and WGC is at war with a player known to use nuclear weapons indiscriminately and without regard for innocent bystanders, the authorisation of nukes may be appropriate. We are reluctant to do so, especially given that the countries concerned are so weak they do not warrant such extreme measures. However, if Wendy decides to use nukes against us first, that will influence our final decision.
From Wendy's posts to this thread, it seems likely that she will use a private and unauthorised message to attempt to justify escalating this war. If any innocent players are affected by irresponsible nuking - by either party in this conflict - please message me ingame at Hanky Panky Hippy Land and WGC will use every effort to aid in recovery.
Hugs and respect
Jo |
| Psycho_Honey (Little Upsilon) | Saturday, May 8, 2010 - 04:07 am
Ummm hmmmmm... |
| Benno798240 (Little Upsilon) | Saturday, May 8, 2010 - 06:01 pm
"From Wendy's posts to this thread, it seems likely that she will use a private and unauthorized message to attempt to justify escalating this war."
I'm sorry to jump in, Jo Salkilld, but i'm trying to understand your statement. What i get out of that, is that it is inappropriate for some one to use a private message to embarrass, or other wise harm another player? Especially with the intent of causing a fight, or argument? I would assume that their certainly is time when it is appropriate to expose private messages... But where is that line?
Thank you, and now i'll butt out |
| chrysostom (White Giant) | Saturday, May 8, 2010 - 07:19 pm
I have left WGC, so that I can post on the forum. I had been in WGC for well over a year, and was serving as the elected Minister of Economics when I quit today.
For my part, I have now decided to stop attacking Wendy unless she attacks me. I attacked her, because she had attacked Kaymen, who is in WGC. The WGC rules call for members to defend other members who are attacked, which is what I was doing.
As to the start of the War, Wendy is right that it is not her fault. Kaymen is right that it is not his fault.
Iain proposed $5 trillion in aid for Wendy, and then posted on the internal WGC forum for security council members to vote for that aid. He posted for all members to then vote against it in the general vote. He is apparently an Ally of Wendy's on another world and wanted to pretend to support giving her other people's money.
Kaymen protested, as Wendy is a veterin player who doesn't need the money. I protested also, and called it corruption to give an established players with 15 countries on WGC developmental aid. I said Iain should just give Wendy the $5 trillion himself.
(continued) |
| chrysostom (White Giant) | Saturday, May 8, 2010 - 07:30 pm
(part 2)
It is well known the public discussion that followed. Simply put, Wendy attacked Kaymen, so I declared on her.
Right before attacking her country, I sent her a single e-mail to try a hand at peace first. I thought it worthwhile to try my best to avoid having to attack her.
She responded back *Fartz*. When the time for war was allowed, I took her country in less than 1 game day. I went to the WGC forum to post that I took that country, and found my access had been revoked.
Jo's husband, the unelected forum moderator who has no authority for disciplinary matters, revoted my access to the forum. I find it stunning that an unelected person who is not allowed to vote on High Council matters is arrogant enough to ban the democratically elected minister of Economics, who is one of only 6 elected ministers of WGC. I find it stunning that this was done immediatly after I took Wendy's country. He claimed that the post I sent was akin to high treason or something.
(continued) |
| chrysostom (White Giant) | Saturday, May 8, 2010 - 07:46 pm
Anyway,
My point is simply that I'm sick of being used as a pawn for other people's games. It is clear that Iain and Wendy and Jo are playing some type of ... as Jo put called it ... an interplanitary mindgame.
The whole matter, Iain offering Wendy money and trying to use WGC members to vote for it and then against it; was disgusting and deceptive. Jo and Iain are diplomats. They play games with people....what is what they enojoy. They enjoy politics and suspense. They enjoy saying one thing to one person, and the opposite to someone else.
Iain claimed that he took away my forum access because I might say what was said on the forum.
Since I had access to the High Council forum and the member forums, I had heard many things that would catch him in his lies and his games and his tricks. I'm not going to share them, so he has no excuse to accuse me of sharing something I shouldn't.
However, I will remind players that Iain is the player who proposed $5 trillion in aid for Wendy. WGC members can see that the news flashes on the top left of the forum website say to vote against the aid. At the least, those with access to the WGC Forum can seee that Iain proposed giving aid to Wendy, and then asked...secretly...people to vote against it.
Iain and Jo's interplannitary mind game is not a valid reason for war.
(continued) |
| chrysostom (White Giant) | Saturday, May 8, 2010 - 07:57 pm
Finally, I have a few more things to say:
1. I am not claiming I was right in this situation. There is a LOT posted on the WGC forum about Wendy. That game me some impressions that were dead wrong about her. I had thought that once she declared on Kaymen that she was going to nuke him again and again and attack and hurt him. That is why I declared. After she declared, I don't think she actually lifted a finger to hurt him, nor me. I was wrong, and Wendy am willing to completely return the country I took from you, with reasonable reparations, if you PM me and work out terms. The first term, is that you reach peace with Kaymen, and those from WGC who are attacking you (like I was) only to help him.
2. Iain should not be trusted by anyone as an ally. I don't say this out of hate or bitterness. However, I say this out of concern for people. He claimed to Wendy to be a friend, proposing $5 trillion in aid. But that was a faux. If he can do that to her, who else can he do it to? He was trusted with the WGC forum, but unilaterally banned an elected minister from the forum, when he had no authority to. Pick friends you can trust to not stab you in the back.
3. Don't blame WGC for a couple people. WGC is a large alliance, and -- frankly -- most members are not active on the forum. Those who are rarely are deceptive, most not-at-all. The vast majority are decent people just trying to be in a big alliance that promotes peace most of the time. Most people in WGC are econ-minded folks, who just want protection incase they are attacked, or who want to make friends and talk with people.
4. Peace and only be reached if justice is sought. I don't think Iain was intending to do evil. He just wanted to be liked. That problem is that the way to be liked is not to offer someone bribes with other people's money, and then vote against that same bribe in secret. Honestly, not deception, is the way to peace. |
| Psycho_Honey (Little Upsilon) | Saturday, May 8, 2010 - 08:28 pm
Proly the unauthorized kind lol. |
| Psycho_Honey (Little Upsilon) | Saturday, May 8, 2010 - 08:56 pm
Chrysostom.
Thank You for waking Da Fizzle UP!
Yes Yes you were a pawn.
Clarity is needed here.
1st of all. Ian Daddy is indeed an ally of mine on Golden Rainbow. After a war with GREF, he joined the UC. He has been an outstanding addition our federation. This may or may not have been his motivation for putting in an aid request. OR, more likely, he was surprised one day to see that I was on WG, and looked over my countries, which are slightly in debt due to time management issues (WARS on OTHER worlds), and decided to propose that I get some aid. It was a responsible thing to do as a member of the security council should.
Do I need it? No!
Did I ask for it? Still NO!
But Hymen all of a sudden has to come on the WG forum, cuz hes all pissy about his federation being bombed oiut on LU, for inactive stealing, (ironic right) like the Brian thingy. LOL who would've guessed?! And takes it upon himself to mention that I use nukes in wars. Pfft AND??? Who doesn't?
What he fails to say is why I used the nukes. All of my wars have been defensive. He also fails to state that HE launched the first nuke on MY country on LU. Again, Ironic isn't it? Guess where Hymen is now? In a fed all by himself on LU. I wonder why? Cuz hes a trouble maker who was booted from his fed. I have no problem with him saying, anything, about me not getting aid. And seriously I could care less about it. But to characterize me as a nuker for no reason is BS. I don't have any factories building nukes, nor did I have any nukes when I declared war. I even said so(read up lol). Now that chrysostom, did the responsible thing and tried to diffuse the situation, BEFORE WGC brought it to nukes, he got kicked. Imagine that.
Anyone is authorized to offer peace. Kicking him for that is BS. I just thought it quite ironic that hymen was screaming about me having nukes and being a nuclear terror, when I had none at all, nor intended to have nukes on this planet, all while contemplating me nuking ME. EVERY c3 they have taken so far has not had a single strategic airport or base nor contained any nukes.
NEWSFLASH I got 'em now. Oh, and trust and believe me, I will deliver them to you asap. For Inanna is not greedy. Sharing...is CARING
Chrysostom, I have no alliance with Ian on Wg. Certainly not Jo. I never liked her. First time I smelled her I knew I wouldn't like her. She had an aroma of ben-gay and ace bandages. I was like wtfizzle?!?! |
| Psycho_Honey (Little Upsilon) | Saturday, May 8, 2010 - 09:00 pm
"2. Iain should not be trusted by anyone as an ally. I don't say this out of hate or bitterness. However, I say this out of concern for people. He claimed to Wendy to be a friend, proposing $5 trillion in aid. But that was a faux. If he can do that to her, who else can he do it to?
He was trusted with the WGC forum, but unilaterally banned an elected minister from the forum, when he had no authority to.
Pick friends you can trust to not stab you in the back." ~Chrysostom
Oh snap, sooo let me get this str8 according to you, Ian Daddy is Jo's Husband?? |
| Jo Salkilld (White Giant) | Saturday, May 8, 2010 - 09:14 pm
Chrysostom has found it difficult for a long time to understand WGC ethos. We have always attempted to support his membership of our federation and include his views in our policies and decisions, but it has not always been easy.
Chrysostom was voted into a Council position by the membership and, as such, was privvy to the Council's debates, discussions and dialogue. Unfortunately he never seemed to quite understand the subtleties of what was going on, or play as part of the team. His sole concern was the 'rules' of WGC, although he never quite understood them. That didn't stop him misquoting them, or claiming that 'there is no rule against it' as justification every time he did something that went against our ethos or the wishes of the majority of the membership.
I am suprised and disappointed at his attempt to portray WGC and its elected officers as corrupt and tyrannical. If it were so, WGC would not have the largest player base in the game and a forum which rivals this one in terms of the number of posts and threads. Nor would it have a democratic system in which people like Chrysostom can be elected to the Council and privvy to private discussions when they are (to my mind) irresponsible and incapable of weilding their authority in the interests of the entire membership. Sadly, whenever someone goofs, they usually accuse those charged with responsibility of 'corruption' and this is no exception.
I am happy to admit that there was divison in WGC over Iain's Security Council resolution to grant aid to Wendy and at first the Council allowed members to vote according to their conscience. However, once Wendy declared on us, the Council asked that members vote against the resolution to give aid to another player at war with our federation. This is yet another example of the subtlety of politics that Chrysostom simply doesn't understand.
Let me make this perfectly clear: the directive by the WGC Council on the WGC forum to vote against the aid resolution was initiated by the Council, not by Iain, and was a direct result of Wendy declaring on WGC fed members.
The WGC Council was in the process of debating whether, although unauthorised and ill-advised, Chrysostom's private message to Wendy was intended to harm WGC. Those Councillors who had contributed to the debate were of the opinion that it was a mistake on Chrysostom's part and that he should be reprimanded for stupidity but remain a member of our fed. On the basis of Chrysostom's verbose posts above, I suspect that may have changed ...
Hugs and respect
Jo |
| Jo Salkilld (White Giant) | Saturday, May 8, 2010 - 09:18 pm
I can state categorically that Iain Daddy is not my husband. For the last 17 years, he has refused to make an honest woman of me!
And you won't believe the domestic strife that aid resolution caused ...
Of course, that is yet another thing that Chrysostom just doesn't get.
Hugs and respect
Jo |
| Psycho_Honey (Little Upsilon) | Saturday, May 8, 2010 - 09:19 pm
What a way to twist a whole bunch of truth into some BS jo. Chrysostom painted WGC in a very good light considering he got kicked for crap pretty much.
A message attempting to diffuse a potentially dangerous situation threatens WGC how exactly? Now he is the bad guy? WTFizzle?!
It is clear you were sniffing that ben-gay too much. |
| Jo Salkilld (White Giant) | Saturday, May 8, 2010 - 09:26 pm
You really should invite Chrysostom to join your federation Wendy. That would be a win-win situation
Hugs and respect
Jo |
| Psycho_Honey (Little Upsilon) | Saturday, May 8, 2010 - 10:08 pm
I'm a loner. I'll do fine all by myself. Why are you baiting Chrysostom into a fight Jo? The price of loyalty, I assume? You seem pretty itchy about him exposing your nuclear ambitions.
You can always dec him if you feel some kind of way. But I *know* you aren't anything like me. Don't use me as an excuse.
Shuns the Hug and Gives no Respect
Inanna  |
| Brian The Terrible (Fearless Blue) | Sunday, May 9, 2010 - 12:44 am
Holy crap my head is spinning after reading all that.All that over 5 trillion in aid.My god ! |
| chrysostom (White Giant) | Sunday, May 9, 2010 - 01:36 am
My appologies for saying Jo and Iain were married. I was assuming something that I should not have based on them having the same IP address. Sorry, it was an honest mistake.
I am also sorry for participating in any domestic strife.
I never claimed to have been a perfect member of WGC. I'm not perfect. I make mistakes. There are many times when I was in WGC and I got into dissagreements. Sometimes, I said bad things about people that I regret. Othertimes I felt strongly about a possition on an issue, and maybe let it get too personal. My appologies to the many people who I was unfair to in one way or another. That list includes, not only current members, but several former members.
My appologies to Brutus, EC, and Kaymen, Dale, Jo, Iain.... and every other member and forumer for my own failings.
Just a few months ago, I think I called Kaymen every name in the book because I dissagreed with a few provisions in a bill he proposed. I was wrong about that too. Got emotional over some proposed rules.
That was wrong, but it doesn't mean that I betrayed anyone when I was in WGC. Nor did I knowingly break a single rule when I was a member. Plus, I was -- until Friday -- a member in good standing.
For all that I was unfair to Kaymen, I still was a good enough ally to stand with him when he was attacked. In my book -- while I may have been imperfect in how I treated Kaymen before -- the point of the alliance is not to always be nice. it is to defend eachother in war. When he was in war, I fought with him.
Jo continues to say that nuclear weapons had not yet been authorized. However, if I recall correctly, 4 of the 6 people who can vote on authorizing the weapons posted their support or lack of objection to the proposal....therefore it had the majority of the votes needed to pass. Furthermore, it was proposed by the Minister of Defense, who has the authroity to allow the use of nukes unilaterally.
I do not believe I ever said WGC was corrupt and tyranical. I did post in the WGC forum that I thought Iain was acting in that way with his proposal to give Wendy aid, but then his request that people vote against it. Jo objected to the word corrupt, and I appologiesed for using the word and clarified that what I ment by corrupt was "using something for the purposes other than what it was intended for." The security council aid was intended for noobs who need help. Not for people with 15 countries.
As to my sending the message to Wendy, it was NOT against any WGC rule. The only rule it is against is the one Jo imagines is true. Either way, I'm not going to debate it; that is part of why I left WGC.
As to the whole "would have been forgiven" thing; Jo; you fail to see the facts they way I do. The way I see it, I was tried, convicted, and exicuted without a trial. My access to the forum was taken away without even first knowing why.
I log in, and can't see the forum. I didn't see Iain's message for 5 minutes. I almost e-mailed and asked if the forum was broken.
I was in a war, about to post that I took a country, and couldn't log in because Iain -- an unelected person -- took my access away at his own choice. Then, there is some secret discussion, I guess, by council members (not including me, I guess) where they decided I made a mistake and should remain a member....still my access gone....
That is why I left. I am the first to say I make many mistakes. I made MANY MANY mistakes BEFORE I was elected minister of economics. I made continue to make mistakes all the time. I don't claim to be perfect.
However, I was tried, convicted, and excuted for a war crime when I was fighting my best in a war. Then, to later be told, oh, we'll have you back now...
No thanks. Instead follow the rules you claim to have. Hold the trial FIRST, then exicute someone. Don't find me guilty of treason, and then, afterwards, tell me the charges and have the council talk about it.
To clarify. I am not perfect. I am sorry to those people who my mistakes hurt. I'm happy to list them out for you, if you care that much. In summary:
-EC and Brutus - I'm sorry for both the incidents regarding the raid requests. When you two left WGC, I offered Dale my resignation as Minister of Economics. I felt, and still feel horrible about how I handled that. Sorry. I'm also sorry about how I was in the discussion about nationalization of corporations.
-Dale - Sorry about my attidute, what I said about you and others during the whole consitution debate. I was made because I wanted a vote on each of the issues. I should have said why I wanted the vote one time, and let it pass when you decided otherwise.
-Kaymen - I'm sorry about the consitution stuff, the comments I said when you got rid of the academy, my objection to determining that member as inactive, and how I treated you in general for a couple weeks or so.
-Jo - I am sorry for saying you were married to Iain. I am also sorry for Rile Up the Foreign Minister Days (weeks, and months)
-Iain -- I am sorry for saying you were married to Jo.
If anyone else needs me to appologize about anything else, let me know. I clearly am not perfect.
That does not mean, however, that I'm going to remain in a fed where I am sentanced guilty for treason by an unelected person with no trial, no accusation, and no reason. I was a member of WGC for over a year, and never once did anything with the intention to hurt WGC in any way. I may have made mistakes in trying to help the purpose that made things worse, but never on purpose.
I will not remain where I am found guilty of treason, when I did not do so, and where only later it is decided it was a mistake....
In the consitution that Kaymen and Dale and most of our members had supported, as well as in the old consitution, any member could ONLY be removed after the council voted on it. At the most, the CHAIR could suspend someone. NEVER could the unelected Iain, take away someone's account access unilaterally.
Anway, and if you read one thing, read this. I don't consider myself leaving on bad terms (for my part). WGC can consider me leaving on good terms or bad terms. Each member, or has a whole. For me, however, I think well of WGC and its members.
However, I can no longer follow its rules as Jo thinks the rules are. I can't be in a war, without forum access, unallowed to try to make peace, and unallowed to post on the SC forum.
I thought it would be wrong to take Wendy's country without trying for peace first. I am NOT going to attack someone when I can find a way for peace, and not going to attack someone without trying for it. That would be wrong.
When I was recruited to WGC by BEO, I asked if I'd have to fight. He said I would never have to fight in a war I did not want to. That is why I joined. I don't want to gang-up on weak players.
That is what it started looking like with Wendy. She offered No resistance when I took her country. It took less than 15 minutes; less than 1 game day.
It was very easy for Kaymen also.
I thought then, and I think now that there is no reason why peace could not be reached quickly. I posted those thoughts.
Anyway, this is rambling.
I will humbly request that WGC people please consider the following:
1- If you need an appology, let me know. I'm not perfect, and willing to admit it. It won't change anything, but I'll admit it.
2- I, for my part, am leaving on good terms. I have no desire to argue or fuss about it. I feel betrayed in one way, but I was very honored to be a WGC member and feel well about my time there, as well as the membership. I hold a grudge with no-one.
3- I know I posted more mean things about some people, that doesn't mean I think poorly of them. I wouldn't trust Iain again, but I think he is mostly a decent guy to me. This is a game, he is just playing it.
4- I wish everyone the best; I really do. That includes those in this message and those not.
5- WGC is just not right for me. It isn't the right federation. Jo said as much when she said, "Chrysostom has found it difficult for a long time to understand WGC ethos."
I agree, I think I've spelled out in this thread where I dissagree with WGC ethos...such as convicted a person by a never-elected person with no trial counter to what the rules say. Such as not allowing a member to post on the forum or talk with someone he is at war at to try to make peace. These are both NEW rules just instituted this week, both unilaterally, by Jo. Those changes, I don't like, so I'm leaving.
If it were any other member who was treated like I am now, I would have left also due to that. I'm not leaving because it happend to me. I'm leaving because of the injustice in kicking out an elected minister -- done by an unelected member -- unilaterally, and without any basis in the WGC rules. Done at a time of war, when he is one of the most active people fighting. Done at the absurd accusition that he is helping the "enemy" that he is fighting.
Sorry that this rambles, but I'm ticked that Jo is not being fully clear in her post.
I will agree, as I have told Jo that I am simple, and don't understand the "interplanitary mindgames" that she plays. The word "interplanitary mindgames" is part of what she calls it...though I can't remember the entire phrase.
I don't play interplanitary mindgames. I don't understand the complex politics of people who want to have power and control over other people.
I goof all-the-time. I only sometimes accuse people of corruption.
Finaly, I'd like to point out to Jo, specifically, I think it is best for everyone to move on from this thread.
As to the WGC council debating what to do about me, I hope they choose to live in peace and let me be. I don't care if they accept my resignation from membership, or if they want to kick me out. Either way, I'm not a member
If I desired to be a member, I wouldn't have posted on this forum in the first place. That would have been against Jo's rule. The only I followed by stopping my postings.
Before I posted, I sent my resignation to Dale, I also would not have done that if I desired to remain a member of WGC.
I don't think it is clear. I'm not leaving because I'm mad and I want to make a point. I'm leaving because WGC is not right for me. I don't understand an ethos where elections are meaningless. Where an unelected person can ban an elected minister from the forum unilaterally. The reason: because I tried to seek peace before attacking someone.
The result WGC would have had would be for me to be at war defending a WGC member, but having no access to coordinate that war? I've never heard of an alliance kicking someone out while fighting on its side in a war. That is an ethos I cannot live under.
I'm willing to appologize when I am wrong, but not when I have been wronged. In this case, I was the one wronged. I don't see JO appologizing. I see her saying a bunch of 1/2 truths about me.
"His sole concern was the 'rules' of WGC, although he never quite understood them. That didn't stop him misquoting them, or claiming that 'there is no rule against it' as justification every time he did something that went against our ethos or the wishes of the majority of the membership. "
Notice words like "NEVER" and "EVERY TIME" -- that is not 100% true. Most honest would be "in a few cases" or "some of the time" not "NEVER" and "EVERY TIME" My goodness, it would sound like in over a year's time that Jo was wrong ALOT. Since some of the time when I said there was "no rule against" something, JO agreed.
I guess I NEVER played as part of a team...well, no, actually, I did sometimes play as part of a team.
Jo's generalities are technically wrong.
There were 3 people running to be Minister of Economics when I was elected by a vote of the entire membership. if what Jo says is true, and I was ALWAYS horrible in EVERY way, WGC members must really have problems to have voted for me. See, I had been a member then for like 9 months or so before I was elected.
In reality, I have many flaws, but also some good qualities. Jo's description of me is not fully honest. I'm imperfect, but what she wrote is political and, on its face, taken literally, is not true. |
| Psycho_Honey (White Giant) | Sunday, May 9, 2010 - 01:58 am
Man I just read all that....
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| Psycho_Honey (White Giant) | Sunday, May 9, 2010 - 02:04 am
I feel for you Chrysostom. I think this is all my fault. If I hadn't decd Hymen for slandering me like a class a TiT, you'd still be in WGC.
Am I the only one who thinks WGC is a bunch of A$HP0L3S.
After this is over with WGC Chrysostom, 'Stick Up Kids' and 'Honey Bees' would be glad to have you. There are many good feds for you to join. It is never a good thing to travel alone. Hope all goes well for you.
Inanna/Wendy/Super_Psycho_Honey_Crazy_Baby!!! |
| Laguna | Sunday, May 9, 2010 - 02:39 am
He did say he was rambling towards the middle of the text.
Chrysostom, you don't need to worry or apologize everytime someones reacts as if they were offended by what you said or did. I say «as if they were», because they are not and this is all "political" posturing.
I voted down the aid for these reasons:
1. Wendy doesn't need it;
2. Doesn't classify under my criteria;
3. Iain was using the Council to mock her.
Kaymen was experiencing the other end of karma and Chrysostom positioned himself to be the target of Wendy's theatrical reaction and Jo's matriarchal posturing. I'm just waiting to see what comes out of the raffle for Iain.
I think the last paragraph resumes the tragedy nicely enough. |
| chrysostom (White Giant) | Sunday, May 9, 2010 - 02:59 am
Wendy,
I appreciate your kind words, but it is not your fault. Were I to have wanted to remain in WGC, I could have appologized for sending your the message. It was my choice.
I do not think WGC is a bunch of A&HPOL3S. I think, mostly, the exact opposit. I'm not out to tell lies about WGC. As a whole, they are a good fed. I encourage people to consider joining them. WGC is just not right for me. I don't agree with the ethos, as I explained in my last post, and as Jo said.
Jo may have a reason to say less-than-honest things about me, but I have no reason to say disshonest things about WGC or WGC members. The are decent people, and WGC is mostly a good fed.
Simply put, whereas Jo is very good at "interplanitary mindgames" and politics and such; I am no good at that. On the other hand, Jo is somewhat lacking when it comes to admitting the weaknesses of WGC and herself, whereas, I am more open about the fact that I am not perfect. That is why in her story, I am portrayed as more wrong than I am in some areas, and she doesn't really talk about how I was wronged. I'm not saying she should. I'm not asking her to go back and admit that in atleast one case, I may be actually done something right....I'm just asking people to understand that what she says....well it is words, but not full truth. It is part of her "interplanitary mindgame" to use part of the phraze that she used. My ethos is the words are ment to convey truth...and that is at-odds with her ethos that words are ment to get a result....the result in the words she posted about me was --- not truely-- to make me look back. It was to make WGC and herself look good. Her method of making herself and WGC look good, included posting some less-than-fully honest things about me to try to make me look bad. Partly honest, yes. She probably has many examples of where I am imperfect. That said, I'm not pure evil. There is some wrong of me, some of her, some of Iain, some of others....
I am rambling, but she would do a better job representing WGC as foreign minister if she looked to the ethos of being honest, rather than of using the means of less-than-full honestly towards the end of looking good. WGC is in reality a good federation. Saying less-than-fully honest stuff to make me look bad to try to hide the truth about what a couple members in WGC did is not an effective tactic.
The average current WGC member is probably a better person to be in a fed with than I am. Let that truth be told if you want to tell a story. But it doesn't help to exagerate what is good on your part, and exagerate what is bad on my part. Be honest and simple.
Well, that may be too simple, and that may be where our ethos do not agree. However, that is my parting advice. I am not so perfect that people cannot see for themselves that I'm imperfect. You are not so perfect that you can hide your imperfects.
Why not seek some honesty, if you plan to talk.
Wendy, I am only on WG, but you are right that I will need to find a fed. I have time, though, before I'll want to look. |
| chrysostom (White Giant) | Sunday, May 9, 2010 - 03:02 am
Laguna - thanks. Yes...in retrospect, I think the rambling actually started earlier than I posted about it.... |
| Jojo the Hun (Fearless Blue) | Sunday, May 9, 2010 - 03:29 am
Wow, so many apologies. Where's mine, for spending the time reading half of this?
Chrys, come to FB where you can play the game as you want to. Nukes yes, grovelling no. |
| Psycho_Honey (White Giant) | Sunday, May 9, 2010 - 03:30 am
LOL JoJo |
| chrysostom (White Giant) | Sunday, May 9, 2010 - 05:13 am
Jojo - LOL, that is the risk you take when you start reading something...you never know if it will turn out worth it ....
I appologize that the first 1/2 of what I wrote was boring for you. After that point, you should have figured out to stop reading. :-) |
| Brian The Terrible | Sunday, May 9, 2010 - 05:39 am
Hell I'll give you a country in FB just no more appologies please ? Message me if you are serious! |
| Psycho_Honey (White Giant) | Sunday, May 9, 2010 - 08:27 am
Thx for the donating poptarts.
Today Hazard County fell Victim to the Stickup Kids. The harvest is bountiful and the lands were filled with goods. 21T in military assets along with 18.6Trillion in cash. I would like to report to the general public that the controversy over the frivolous Aid Proposal by Ian Daddy is no longer necessary. The cash alone has offset the outstanding debt of my empire by more than 60% I'll be stripping that country as reparations for damage to my economy caused by your silly boycott.
So with all this in mind, and in Honor of Chrysostom's valiant attempt at peace, I'll only offer peace once. We can end this war with a heartfelt admission of slander by Kymen. I will also offer Aaron pop for free if he needs to get some for the nukes that landed if peace is achieved. (sorry for nuking you) If you are wondering, I only nuked because WGC planned to nuke me. The war can end now, or I will enjoy using more and more of your own resources against you.
Consider it, seriously. The alternative might just be not so LuLzy
Don't forget to Donate. WGC, your benevolence precedes you. The Inanni Peoples Republic thanks you. |
| EO | Monday, May 10, 2010 - 01:02 am
I second Jojo's statement. There are 5 worlds, try them out. They all have their own unique feel. Best of luck. |
| Psycho_Honey (Little Upsilon) | Tuesday, May 11, 2010 - 04:31 am
Ok PopTarTs
12 hours or I will smite thee ye heathens!! |
| CorporatePartner (White Giant) | Wednesday, January 18, 2012 - 07:59 am
And, "here it goes, for the 1,000th time..."
The "psycho-spin" continues...
The saddest part is "Cluesless Jo" playing dumber-than-dumb, and saying "I don't know of anything she's done."
Maybe White Giant will "wake up" this time, before it's too late.
Quote:Wendy is presently, and has recently been, involved in several nuclear wars on other worlds which have involved her launching upwards of 100 nuclear strikes in the last month.
Same crappy strategy, different time and place...these "psycho" countries need continued monitoring and tracking to avert similar future abuses, especially when the "largest federation" sleeps behind the wheel.
One thing is for sure, though, EC won't be asleep, as he still doesn't have his "free War Protection". Of course, he figured that out a long time ago unlike the other "Clueless-ite" lemmings ready to drop off the map on White Giant.
For those who are "free" leaders or are junior leaders still increasing war levels or semi-in-active, who are at "War Level 3" or higher, you should closely watch these "psycho" countries and what they are doing. The Empire already added a 2nd country and is now again "at war".
Supporting Security Council measures to monitor and track this Empire is an important first step to neutralize the horrific and gruesome exploitations of one "rogue abuser". |
| Jo Salkilld (Golden Rainbow) | Thursday, January 19, 2012 - 04:07 am
How lame, to have to resurrect a thread that's over a year-and-a-half old, just to have a go at other players!
And how lame, not to realise that a Security Council resolution will have absolutely no effect!
I'm afraid, CP, that you will have to do better if you really want to make other players lose their cool. I acknowledge that it doesn't take much for you to lose it, but it takes quite a bit more for most of us ... |
| Tom Morgan (Kebir Blue) | Thursday, January 19, 2012 - 12:52 pm
That's hilarious. I was reading this a week ago. |
| Psycho_Honey (Fearless Blue) | Friday, January 20, 2012 - 08:48 am
He's at level 0 or his last nuclear summer would repeat itself and he'll go "inactive" again in shame.
I personally don't blame him for it though. He picked the wrong fight and has not 1/10 of the military prowess of the least of my past opponents.
You all keep playing your c3 war games. Get your weight up and come and see me. Blab nonsense all you want in the meantime. It is of no consequence, like the little token resolution for nuclear bans. I have thousands at my disposal, good quality and marked for maximum fallout. |
