| E O | Thursday, October 8, 2020 - 06:44 am 
Members of the federation Freedom have:
- Seized nations that share borders with mine despite me asking them proactively not to do so
- Have hostile bid my corporations repeatedly
- Have razed all player nations besides LDI nations, my empire, and the other large empire on my home continent of Lacerta (~10 nations attacked in the last week). I understand some raiding, but not like this, and not in this location.
- Are building nations in my backyard under war protection and have admitted that they're there to keep an eye on me. They've yet to leave. I deregistered the only tiny, unarmed country I held near the player who is doing this.
- Attacked and destroyed isolated, small, not entirely inactive players, such as my former neighbor MartinC.
I've had enough. This will not be tolerated. It is at this time that I declare war on this federation with the goal of securing my borders and establishing a territorial sphere of influence inside of which I will not tolerate members of the Freedom federation. I do not wish to watch them move around and build up on my doorstep in perpetuity. Members of this federation have attacked me in the past for no reason, and I do not trust their intentions. At this time, I do not aim to strike at their core empires - just to defend my own.
I will consider this war to be live for a week. If by that point, we can not come to a suitable peace agreement, I will take additional measures to enforce peace. Players looking to come to terms can DM me. |
| Zentrino | Thursday, October 8, 2020 - 08:23 am
The Nevrondona Empire takes threats to the security and safety of Fearless Blue seriously. I am not seeing the Freedom federation countries on Lacerta. Which countries are you referring to? While we have no plans to intervene on either side, sometimes it is simply nice to sit back with a bucket of popcorn and watch. |
| jeffcd1818 | Thursday, October 8, 2020 - 03:47 pm
Freedom is a peaceful Fed and I am not aware of any hostile moves against your empire. Please inform me of any any and all transgressions |
| E O | Thursday, October 8, 2020 - 07:31 pm
Zentrino:
- "The Watchtower" (name is oddly... suspicious as well, don't you think  ), Alpha 1, FDS 34 Solidarity, and FDS 35 EOB are the nations I'm referring to. Two are on Lacerta, and two are former MartinC countries that border the nation I started on FB with.
Everything else on Lacerta was pillaged and deregistered. It's now a wasteland.
Jeff:
I feel like my post listed more than a couple transgressions. It also was you yourself (along with Jojo) who attacked me and my ally L3athalserph as soon as we were out of 52 day protection a while ago when you were in 3ms (I went by "Beast" at the time). If you'd like, I can point you to the forum post covering that encounter.
I'd also like to mention that the three largest members of your federation are ranked 1, 2, and 6 on the "best warlords" list with a combined 166 victories over player nations. I'm not sure that qualifies as "peaceful."
Time for you guys to get off my lawn. |
| jeffcd1818 | Thursday, October 8, 2020 - 08:03 pm
Wow 3M'S IS A LONG TIME AGO and back then it seems everyone was fighting.
As far as Lacerta my fed mates are new and they had no intensions of being hostile to your empire.
I am hoping to avoid this war if possible. |
| rob72966 | Thursday, October 8, 2020 - 10:38 pm
Why don't you post are correspondence, so everyone can see what your talking about. I agreed with what you wanted minus alpha 1 which we were discussing, but instead of writing back you declared war. If I got your message right because you enjoy it. I hope you can come to your senses and we can avoid this whole mess.
Rob (The Brain) |
| Gaz | Thursday, October 8, 2020 - 11:33 pm
Having considered Rob's recent advancements into the heart of my territory, with his rather aggressive sounding country names charlie 1, 2,3 & 4. Not to mention the 3 other countries he's taken in the adjacent region. With these dec's and with EO having the same concerns as me I felt it's the right time to act. I've sent dec's to all these problematic countries. |
| Matthew I | Thursday, October 8, 2020 - 11:54 pm
His most Imperial majesty, Matthew I, Royal Sovereign and Protector of Batavia and her Dominions watches the ongoing conflict with grave interest.
The grievances brought up by E_O and their Empire without question must not go unanswered. |
| jeffcd1818 | Friday, October 9, 2020 - 12:24 am
None of the defeated countries were Active players. None were in active Feds. |
| rob72966 | Friday, October 9, 2020 - 12:37 am
Gaz ,you can have the countries, my attentions were to see how far I could advance an army with out using other countries.(and to get resources and cash) I did not mean to step on any toes. As far as E.O. there was a misunderstanding and I thought the two of us had worked that out. I still hope we can find a peaceful solution.
Rob |
| John Galt | Friday, October 9, 2020 - 02:29 pm
I had no idea that people were pillaging the motherland Lacerta. I have failed the Pinktator. I beg for his forgiveness. |
| Zentrino | Friday, October 9, 2020 - 09:48 pm
The Nevrondona Empire is happy to offer services as a neutral arbiter during this conflict if one is desired.
Of course, Nevrondona might also be plied with bribes and gifts into taking a side and joining the fight.... What I meant to say was sometimes one side is just right and the other side is just wrong. It is important that we stand by those on the right side of history and fight with everything we have to win the peace. |
| jeffcd1818 | Friday, October 9, 2020 - 10:13 pm
I would like to see peace I have always respected Lacerta its a shame there has been some mistakes and some misunderstanding with some of the Freedom members.
They should not have happened.
Jeff |
| E O | Saturday, October 10, 2020 - 12:47 am
Our forces are now in control of the countries that were in positions menacing our empire. We've stopped firing for now. We're watching opposition nations and evaluating what's next.
We appreciate Rob removing "The Watchtower" from Lacerta. This was a factor in our decision to stop firing at this time. |
| jeffcd1818 | Saturday, October 10, 2020 - 12:53 am
Hopefully peace can be achieved we respect Lacerta and acknowledge your stopping firing as a gesture of a fair leader and it is appreciated. |
| KingWoel | Saturday, October 10, 2020 - 06:57 am
I was moving cross country so i was hardly able to login much less poise any aggression.
I been teetering on max corporations for awhile and i have been only buying my own companies with my enterprise so that's not me.
What was me was a violent attack on my countries by EO when he knew i was buying moving from coast to coast in USA and couldn defend myself. For the countries that boarder him, that was me, and he can have them back. I asked him what he wanted a few times. EO is also welcome to FDS SE, which i renamed "EO ## SE" and disbanded that countries military. |
| E O | Saturday, October 10, 2020 - 10:34 pm
KingWoel - thank you for your proposal. I will not be attacking your country FDS SE at this time, but appreciate you offering it as a gesture of peace. I consider hostilities between us to be over unless you decide to shoot at me (which you have not been doing - so I do not anticipate that this will occur).
I did not realize you were still moving as you announced that you were moving back on September 9th. Regardless, it is wise to have defenses in your countries if you wish to retain them.
At this time, I've decided to suspend my campaigning against "Freedom" federation, as I've achieved the goals that I set out to accomplish. I will however be watching the other hostilities that are currently raging on the planet with a keen interest. |
| Gaz | Sunday, October 11, 2020 - 01:48 am
As of today the defence of my homeland has been secured. Those problematic countries have been conquered and de'reg, bringing an end to the hostilities. However tensions are still high and I'll be keeping a close eye on how things develop. The security of VB is paramount to me, and my fed. I will launch no further attacks in the wars I'm still active in.
My Fed would like to play peacefully if possible but seen as this is the war world precautions must be taken |
| Gaz | Monday, October 12, 2020 - 08:23 pm
So I woke to dec's this morning and so far I've been trying to figure out what's going on, the FB world newspaper didn't show who made the first dec. Jeff and Rob, you guys both messaged me as if this was some sort of suprise to yous?
I found this in a newspaper article from King Woel's country
Federation declares war against Mega FOB
Thu May 29, 4599 20 countries declare war on Mega FOB
After a vote, all 20 members of the Freedom federation have declared war on Mega FOB. Observers are concerned about this new outbreak of violence.
Why message asking what's going on when yous must have voted to attack?
Rather than message yous both individually I thought I'd address things here and highlight the fact it was you's who dec'd. Looking at the newspapers It looks like me who stated this, but no it was a fed vote. Haven't seen a fed vote to war in years |
| jeffcd1818 | Monday, October 12, 2020 - 10:36 pm
I've checked no one in my Fed DCL war on you. Is it your intention to continue or is this a big mistake.
Pattonville |
| E O | Monday, October 12, 2020 - 10:59 pm
Actually, I'm seeing that Gaz appears to be correct.
Just going to leave this here in case anyone wants to see what I'm seeing:
https://sim02.simcountry.com/cgi-bin/cgi2nova?SN_ADDRESS=wwwCountry&SN_METHOD=localnews&miCountryName=FDSUNITY&miNewsDate=45990501 |
| Gaz | Monday, October 12, 2020 - 11:07 pm
There must be a bug with the international news when a fed declares war cause it isn't showing there. Look in all your feds countries news from May, you'll see the message. Freedom declares war on Mega FOB. Maybe a certain member was able to push through a vote without yous knowing but some of yous must have gotten the fed message to vote for war?
I intend to defend myself for the moment but you guys have me concerned about the chance for any future peace.
Thx EO |
| rob72966 | Monday, October 12, 2020 - 11:17 pm
Gaz I no one fed mate was upset and asked for a vote, that was several days ago. ( I DID NOT VOTE ) and thought that was put to bed I had no idea this was going on until this morning like you I read messages saying we were in war. I will speak for myself here, and do not represent the Fed. It seems that you took a country from KIngwoel while traveling and he would like it back. It's unfair for me to tell you what to do. I personally think talking to him in private may help to resolve the situation. My words to you after you took C 1,2,3, and 4 are still true.
Rob |
| KingWoel | Monday, October 12, 2020 - 11:28 pm
Gaz attacked me while i was traveling from Arizona to the east coast of the united states. Gaz took 3 countries, with 100million pop, and without any reason. I wasnt online cause i was under the stress of moving accross the country. I could barely defend my 3 countries and gaz took them all in a day. Gaz's response was a few countries appeared of robs near him, and he took them and went to war with me simply because i am friends with Rob. Idk about you but coming back online and noticing your future capital that you invested 15 Trillion SC in is totally gone and some guy i was actually talking to on my enterprise last month just hit me for no other reason then my federation association made me alittle mad. I messaged him about where to go from here after he took my cities he sent one message saying it was nothing personal and left me on read on all future messages.
I then voted in my federation to declare war on GAZ to take my country back. Gaz made no effort to want to do anything via messages as it became clear when my messages where left on read and never responded to.
Gaz put my FOB (Forward operating base) country in his war treaty and declared war on everyone in the federation when we made an effort to take it back. Gaz choose to make this war bigger then it needs to be. I literally have no idea how i am the bad guy here. I just want my future capital back.
I wouldnt suggest you take pity on Gaz. If he stabbed me in the back and attacked me when i couldn't defend myself (as i was moving cross country and couldn't get online), then he would do the same to anyone else.
I dont attack active presidents on this game unless they act like the way Gaz is now. I guess Gaz will have to defend himself since he struck me without antigination of any sort.
Personally i rather just take what i need from my colonies, de-register those colonies and exist peacefully in the my blob of countries in the north east. Events like this force that dream of peace to be put on hold.
To EO:
EO i talked to you more then anyone else in this game. I didn't react, make threats, retaliate when you take my countries (honestly if you just asked me for a country id gladly give you whatever wanted, i mean we talked nearly everyday the last 1-2 months. I also told you i wouldn't attack you). IDK why you would side with Gaz. From what i recall on the forum; Gaz he murdered your priests when you sent them to his country. I talk to daily and who mentored you when you needed it. If I had my way we would go back to talking everyday. I do miss our conversations . |
| Gaz | Tuesday, October 13, 2020 - 12:21 am
You may have been busy but you've owned those countries for a while, long enough to properly defend them if they mean so much.
Your country was another of those I was concerned about from your fed. FDS 7 FOB it's previous name. FOB meaning forward operating base which just so happens to be at perfect fighter range to my empire. I was watching it for months.
Then Rob moves in with his countries named Charlie 1 to 4 lol. What am I to think? There's an FOB from your fed and 4 Charlies on my doorstep all of a sudden. So I dec'd first the way I saw it. I would have dec'd Jeffs Pat 103 to my south at the same time but he had WP. It is the war world after all, why do half measures.
I understand your pissed and want your country back but I'm not gonna give it up without a fight. Like I say, it's perfect range to attack/defend my empire.
You haven't sent any messages since my last to you? |
| jeffcd1818 | Tuesday, October 13, 2020 - 03:07 am
Im not sure how this happened I did not vote for war I did not even know there was a vote for war. It was mistake if anything. Pat 103 was an inactive country that i took for assets.
I would prefer peace but will defend in war.
Jeff |
| E O | Tuesday, October 13, 2020 - 09:21 pm
King Woel - we did have many interesting discussions about commodity trading, evaluating how to make money on particular products, and so forth. Interacting with players who are curious about the game, play the game differently than I do, and have taken time to learn intricate details are what helps make the game fun for me.
Regarding me siding with Gaz - that's not what I'm doing here. I'm just saying what I see. I see that your federation initiated a vote to declare war on Gaz. Even if it was 1 vote to 0, a majority of the votes in your federation were to go ahead and declare the war. I'm not sure how that's Gaz's fault. Gaz did dismember our priests during our period of religious zealotry, which was infuriating. If I remember correctly though, King Woel, you proceeded to feed parts of my priests to your pets? I'm not sure that's a significantly better diplomatic approach.
Jeff/Rob - abstaining from the vote allowed whoever voted for it to push it through. Perhaps next time you will vote no if you do not wish for your federation to declare war. |
| jeffcd1818 | Tuesday, October 13, 2020 - 09:34 pm
Like I said I was not even aware of the vote just woke up and was surprised we were at War.
Also you need 50% of the members to approve the vote for War how is 1 vote 5o%
Jeff |
| E O | Tuesday, October 13, 2020 - 10:09 pm
50% of the votes. Not 50% of the members.
If there is 1 vote to go to war, and 0 votes NOT to go to war, then that means the majority of votes are for going to war. |
| jeffcd1818 | Tuesday, October 13, 2020 - 10:12 pm
That does not seem right to me and if thats the case it should be changed |
| E O | Tuesday, October 13, 2020 - 10:13 pm
I understand your confusion. You should change your federation settings in the interim.
I'll admit, I've never seen a federation vote to go to war like this before. I can't imagine a scenario where it's a good idea to force all nations in your federation to be at war at the exact same time. You guys have plenty of fighter countries, but like, that's maybe 6 countries ready for war? Why risk all your eco countries that have zero defense? |
| Chadwick Boseman | Tuesday, October 13, 2020 - 11:23 pm
Gaz check your messages |
| jeffcd1818 | Wednesday, October 14, 2020 - 02:05 am
Vote on War
The Freedom Federation may vote on war against a joined enemy.
The voting period for a war declaration is 7 months. When you start the voting round now, the ballot ends November 04 4600. To accept the war declaration, 50% of the federation members must vote for this proposal.
Says 50% of federation members |
| E O | Wednesday, October 14, 2020 - 03:10 am
Jeff, your federation declared war - we all can see that. I'm fairly sure I know which player initiated the vote.
The wording may be confusing, but I'm not sure what your explanation is here. Your federation declared war in masse, right? How did that happen if not by this mechanism? |
| Gaz | Wednesday, October 14, 2020 - 05:33 am
Tonight the Megatron people celebrate a great victory in this tragic and unnecessary war. Our armies captured and secured Freedoms base to the south, a great threat to the region.
Negotiations failed when Rob failed to meet my terms for peace, the removal of his remaining c3'on VB was all I asked. A fair request I thought.
They promised peace and disbandment, rob said he would de-reg those countries no problem. Instead he's built up a large attack force. Jeff's country I took also had a large attack force. Clearly you guys had no intention of peace in the first place.
Why are nuclear strikes no longer broadcast on the world news page? It's nowhere near as fun landing a nuke when the whole world doesn't get to know it
Seriously though, wtf happened to it??? Same with the fed declaration vote didn't get broadcast either??? Is this a bug?
That's 2-0 to me Freedom, your move |
| Chadwick Boseman | Wednesday, October 14, 2020 - 05:46 am
Chad applaud the Great Megatron and his swift victories. The Vigor in your army is one of a kind leaving bodies of armies mangled equivalent to a BomB shell. |
| rob72966 | Wednesday, October 14, 2020 - 08:58 am
Well done Gaz, you have proven to be a great warrior. |
| Gaz | Wednesday, October 14, 2020 - 05:04 pm
Thank yous both. I'm offering peace to Freedom fed once again, despite them breaking our last peace agreement I think this time yous will be more agreeable? I've no wish to attack any further or anyone else for that matter. I just want to build my VB empire as best I can. What do yous say? |
| rob72966 | Wednesday, October 14, 2020 - 05:14 pm
Peace. That would be nice.
Thank You Gaz. |
| The_Wicked_Lady | Saturday, October 17, 2020 - 11:15 pm
I always hate when players lose their larger countries and assets. I know how that feels. I am glad, that wars are going on on FB and are livening up the place. We've been too complacent for too long!
King Woel, if I can help you rebuild in any way, please let me know. May my shoes comfort you, King Woel! If you need shoe corps, let me know. There must NEVER be any destruction of shoes anywhere on FB and other worlds!!!! |
| KingWoel | Friday, December 18, 2020 - 01:40 am
My shoe stockpile dropped to dangerously low, but other then that i just needed time to dismantle the empire and slither back into my little isolated continent |
