| sbroccoli | Thursday, November 8, 2012 - 09:57 pm 
Can anyone give a sure answer to this question:
does what it says in the game about special clinics mean that special clinics have no effect unless you have CEOs in your country??? |
| Mizore | Friday, November 9, 2012 - 02:28 pm
| Number of Employees in CEO Controlled Corporations | | 0 | Employees in Private Corporations | | | | Number of Disabled that can be Rehabilitated (max) | | 0 | | | | | Number of Rehabilitated Workers | | 0 | | | | | | | | | | | | Number of Disabled Workers | | 459,386 | Total number of disabled | | | | Number of Disabled Workers treated in Special Clinics | | 10,000 | | | | | | | | | | | | Number of Hospitals | | 120 | Hospitals | | | | Number of Special Clinics | | 5 | Number of Hospitals for the Disabled | | | | Convertable this month | | 10 | |
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| sbroccoli | Friday, November 9, 2012 - 05:47 pm
So?
Have you tried turning the # of clinics up and down? Because I have, and you know what: no change. The number of disabled climbs or falls with the same rate no matter how many hospitals I allocate (was at 55 before I gave up). |
| Mizore | Friday, November 9, 2012 - 06:23 pm
The point of the previous message was that if you have 0 CEO corps, then you can rehabilitate 0 workers. It was the evidence as well.
Quote:To treat your disabled workers you can convert Hospitals to Special Clinics. Each Clinic can treat 1000 disabled workers of which 200 return to work.
The Special Clinics are sponsored by CEO Controlled Corporations. Therefore you are able to rehabilitate 40% of the number of workers you have in CEO Controlled Corporations. The maximum number of the disabled that can be rehabilitated is also limited to 50% of all disabled workers.
The first line is probably outdated info, I believe it works doubly now but not sure. The second line is 100% true.
Anyway, let's assume 200 return to work each month and you have more than enough CEO corps so that you're only limited by the total number of disabled.
Disabled range from age 21 to 65, 44 years or 528 months. So if you rehabilitate a worker, that rehabilitation will last 528 months.
So one special clinic that has been operating 44 game years will have rehabilitated 105,600 disabled, meaning it is effective for total disabled numbers of 211,200.
So five would be effective for total disabled numbers up to 1,056,000. Higher numbers of special clinics would go to waste.
Not sure how many disabled you have in your country. I am sure that 55 special clinics is far, far too many special clinics. Here's what a 49M pop country with plenty of CEO corps and 10 special clinics looks like.
| Number of Employees in CEO Controlled Corporations | | 16,772,164 | Employees in Private Corporations | | | | Number of Disabled that can be Rehabilitated (max) | | 696,172 | | | | | Number of Rehabilitated Workers | | 696,190 | | | | | | | | | | | | Number of Disabled Workers | | 1,392,344 | Total number of disabled | | | | Number of Disabled Workers treated in Special Clinics | | 20,000 | | | | | | | | | | | | Number of Hospitals | | 570 | Hospitals | | | | Number of Special Clinics | | 10 | Number of Hospitals for the Disabled | |
See, only 10 special clinics have resulted in reaching the cap on the number of rehabilitated works. I may be able to get away with 7 special clinics. I'm just using 10 because it's a nice number. |
| sbroccoli | Friday, November 9, 2012 - 10:17 pm
Right. So I built 55 hospitals in vain? |
| Mizore | Saturday, November 10, 2012 - 05:25 am
You can convert them back to regular hospitals to improve your health index? |
| sbroccoli | Saturday, November 10, 2012 - 11:45 am
Ofc. and I am doing that, but it was still an overinvestment.
I'm really dsappointed by this part of the game. It turns out that back-to-work schools don't work either unless you have CEOs.
I think the game is very misleading at this point. It clearly states how many are being treated in special clinics/back to work schools and the leading text tells that 20% will return to the job market.
So in fact I'll just have to let people in my country get disabled and do nothing about it. What a cruel world. |
| sbroccoli | Saturday, November 10, 2012 - 11:50 am
Well, this ofc. forces me to make a CEO allthough I'd rather not.
But my question is: if I do, will the economy of my CEO and my empire be linked? I.e. I would put as little effort as possible into my CEO, but will a possible deficit of my CEO then be taken from my account?? |
| Andy | Saturday, November 10, 2012 - 12:40 pm
You do not need an enterprise to benefit from these schools and hospitals.
you need private and public corporations. They do not need to be yours.
We will make it clearer that indeed, these schools and hospitals are only effective if you have private corporations in your country.
Private corporations contribute much more to your economy and having them is a great advantage. If you have an enterprise, you can build such corporations.
all top accounts in SC have MANY private and public corporations. Most of them are placed in the countries by others.
You can always transfer cash freely between all your countries and enterprises in all the worlds but you can only transfer money you have. It is impossible to take a loan and transfer the money. |
| sbroccoli | Saturday, November 10, 2012 - 08:03 pm
It would certainly be nice to have the text clarified.
But what is the logic for requiring private corporations in order to make rehabilitation work?
Why not do it - as it seems to say now - like state corporations rehabilitate at reduced effect (e.g. half of private)?
The way it is now, you're effectviely forcing a country to have an enterprise present unless one wants to see the number of disabled reach the skies. |
| Mizore | Saturday, November 10, 2012 - 08:13 pm
There must be demand for private corporations in order for Enterprises to be able function. |
| sbroccoli | Saturday, November 10, 2012 - 11:26 pm
There's a clear benefit allready in taxes and wellfare.
And as I said: it's fine to make special clinics and back-to-work schools be more efficient for enterprises than state corporations. But why make them totally ineffective for state corporations? This doesn't make sense.
And frankly I don't want to run an enterprise along with my countries. I just want to run countries, but the game wants to force me to set up an enterprise too. That is really annoying. |
| Mizore | Sunday, November 11, 2012 - 01:06 am
Ask someone else to build a few private corps in your country. Problem solved. |
| Alex Borders | Sunday, November 11, 2012 - 04:32 am
Alas, I can only build a private corp in my country if I have a premium account, and pay to be able to have a CEO and a president both. |
| Mizore | Sunday, November 11, 2012 - 04:38 am
Well, are either of you on KB or WG? I can build the corporations if you like, just have taxes at like 30% or less. |
| Alex Borders | Sunday, November 11, 2012 - 11:14 am
Sorry, no. Golden Rainbow. |
| sbroccoli | Sunday, November 11, 2012 - 11:53 am
Mizore, you can't just ask someone to builds a corp in your country.
Haven't you noticed the frequent 'CEOs wanted' threads? Players are ramming their heads in eagerness of attracting CEOs, but few succeed.
I know this allready from other players who gave up on it.
I'm all for giving the enterprises special benefits, but I'm still against giving them a monopoly for such a vital function as treating disabled.
Why, this is the same thing as if war hospitals would only work with private corporations....it makes no sense. |
| Crafty | Sunday, November 11, 2012 - 01:31 pm
CEOs are always looking for countries. You just have to have a half way decent one. Low or no tax and welfare well above 100, and plenty of spare workers.
So yes, you can just ask someone to build a corp in your country. Try the forum for your world, there's always a thread for it. And put your country in the wiki page found by the blue link at the top of your worlds forum page. |
| sbroccoli | Monday, November 12, 2012 - 01:36 pm
So what exactly is 'max number that can be rehabilitated'?
Max number in like 'ever' = one time rehabilitation?
Or max number at any time?
Or max number per month? |
| Crafty | Monday, November 12, 2012 - 02:48 pm
Its the max number that can be rehab'ed as things currently stand. Another CEO corp arrives and that number could change, or it would change with population, depending on which is the least. Remember its 40% of workers in CEO corps or 50% of disabled in your country.
You can often find that you have rehabilitated more disabled than the max number shows, because the CEO corps have upgraded effectivity or you are having less and less disabled population. |
| sbroccoli | Monday, November 12, 2012 - 04:55 pm
Thank you, but that didn't clear my confusion.
Is it stock or flow?
I mean, people happen to die off (or immigrate or get exchanged etc).
Does the game remember how many I rehab'ed over time...or how many of the present population are rehabs?
And how long are the rehab'ed? Also when they retire or only before retirement age? And does it matter if they are employed or not? (asking since this function is supposed to go on in the private corps, and those who are unemployed, obviously, aren't there). |
| Crafty | Monday, November 12, 2012 - 06:03 pm
As far as I can see, you're maybe getting a bit deep into this. I just presume the No. rehabed shows as the max you have rehabed and the rehab-able are just that at that point in time.
Any changes in pop or corps is just going to alter the max you can rehab. If you havent hit that max then the schools/clinincs will do their thing. If you have already rehabed that number then the schools wont do diddly squat. They must be rehabbed for life as they join the work force, or available work force. Retired are not considered workers so shouldnt count in the number rehab-able. I guess rehabed people who get to retirement age are just treated as normal retirees.
At this point its just conjecture on my part lol, like I say, I think you are thinking too deep about it, its only a game, with certain limitations...
And, what about dis-abled housewives? What clinic or school do they join? Do they have babies too? Do the housewives that have been through back-to-work school have equal opportunities? Gay marriages - what about house husbands? |
| sbroccoli | Tuesday, November 13, 2012 - 12:16 am
LOl @ disabled house wives. Must be a possible limbo and memory leak for the game there ;) |
