| Matthew I | Wednesday, August 26, 2020 - 12:17 am 
Is their a modern war guide? I followed one from 2015 and got my military obliterated right away. Attacked interceptor groups with two 330 qual fighter/bombers (average 270 because of ammo) and they got obliterated. Something close to 400 fighters and 650 bombers lost while only destroying minimal interceptors. At first I attacked a cities defenses because it was my understanding that it would destroy interceptors and after that group got murdered I attacked the Interceptors defenses directly and got equally obliterated.
Can someone help me out? Reading the docs, it seems like attacking with drones/attack choppers are far more efficient, but after losing so many assets after a single attack I'm worried I'm doing something else wrong.
Is there some sort of recent guide? Can someone give me a quick how to? I'm planning on remaking 2 attack wings this time with some choppers and drones for attack number two. |
| Gaz | Wednesday, August 26, 2020 - 12:30 am
I use ground based units to fight c3's. Offenssive aa batts and mid range missile batts. That way you ignore the interceptors and tackle the helis, which there are fewer.
Don't attack the interceptors directly. Attack a county or another ground target with no defence. Make sure to attack defence of whichever target you choose and only use fighters in your air wings. The drones and helis are just target practice for there inteceptors. |
| Gaz | Wednesday, August 26, 2020 - 12:53 am
Another tip. If you attack with an air wing and it takes a lot of damage, dismantle it and build a new 1 then re-attack. Its more efficient on losses that way |
| Matthew I | Wednesday, August 26, 2020 - 01:05 am
Thank you for the advice, especially about the fighters, I'll take a look into moving in with better equipped land forces as well |
| Zentrino | Wednesday, August 26, 2020 - 01:55 am
I use fighters. Ground units aren't as helpful in longer range battles. Attack the defense of a county until you have destroyed the defenses. If they have enough supply units (a c3 won't) they could re-supply the int units. If you start lose things again, just re-attack the defenses of a county until the defenses are destroyed again. As you move up war levels, the C3 will have better defenses and you may want additional weapons. |
| Matthew I | Wednesday, August 26, 2020 - 02:56 am
Okay. So I attacked a Counties defenses... and still got obliterated by the interceptors. What Am I doing wrong?
Jan 11 4389. Air Force Attack Unit 'Ilonka' attacks the county of 'Norwan'.
The Republic of Mobino (the attacked country) reports:
The country lost 16 interceptors.
24 soldiers were killed and 53 were wounded.
The defence was assisted by the Defense Interceptor Wing Los Gatos.
The War Index remains 52.86
Kingdom of Batavia (the attacker) reports:
Air Force Attack Unit 'Ilonka' lost 300 fighter planes.
Air Force Attack Unit 'Ilonka' lost trucks, gasoline and military supplies.
The attack may have been reduced or eliminated by Anti Missile Missiles and the unit did not receive any ground support.
1689 soldiers were killed and 4315 were wounded.
The War Index remains 79.78 |
| Matthew I | Wednesday, August 26, 2020 - 03:01 am
@Gaz
I attacked the defenses of an undefended county above and got obliterated. 300 Fighters for the cost of 16 interceptors. I don't get it. Their quality was higher than the interceptors, so I'm just not sure what to do. |
| Gaz | Wednesday, August 26, 2020 - 03:13 am
I'm not sure but I have a hunch more than 1 interceptor is responding. I'm using ground units so I'm not best person to ask bout fighters atm.
I think more than 1 interceptor is responding though that's why it's so tough. I noticed at the lower war level my attacks where killing 700 heli's per click. A heli unit has 400 max, so how could I be killing 700 in 1 shot. Only thing that makes sense is multiple units responding??
Anyone notice this? |
| Matthew I | Wednesday, August 26, 2020 - 03:22 am
I guess I can try land units, at this point I'm just worried about a similar counter after shifting more assets that way. At war level one I simply destroyed both Interceptor units as per the tutorial, destroyed the fortifications and then corps.
I knew war level 2 would be more difficult, but jesus. |
| Gaz | Wednesday, August 26, 2020 - 03:28 am
With land units it still easy. 1300 units in a division helps |
| Matthew I | Wednesday, August 26, 2020 - 03:32 am
Well, I'm going to try that out.
Could you spell out how you would outfit said divisions? Would the strategy here just be to destroy the helicopter division then occupy/destroy cities? |
| Gaz | Wednesday, August 26, 2020 - 04:09 am
1 LRD AA unit of 1300 OAAMB's should be enough for war level 2. 2 LRD's of 1300 MRMB'S maybe 3.
Attack the defence of a county with the AA unit until you stop taking losses. Then go kill the heli units to stop them getting re-supplied.
Now you can use the MRMB to destroy targets without worrying about the helis. Start attacking targets, don't worry about the defence. You'll loose a couple hundred MRMB's per attack normally
My advice is to take out all the crap corps you don't want first. |
| Zentrino | Wednesday, August 26, 2020 - 04:24 am
You should be able to have 560 fighters in a unit. At WL 2, I would think you might lose 1 or 2 units of them but not much more than that. If you attack the defense and lose at more than half, use a different unit. It has been awhile since I did WL2. Ground units are the cheapest way to take a country. Fighters and bombers are the fastest way to do it.
Don't take the forts. Take out the capital. Then the corps. Then cities if you have to. You should also use special forces to "paint" across the country. If you paint it and start with the cap, you probably won't need to take even all the corps to take the country. |
| Matthew I | Thursday, August 27, 2020 - 05:12 am
For anyone that was curious, the ground units more than did it. The helicopter wing went down in the first shots, and I hardly lost any mid range missile batteries. So I feel stupid that I wasted money, but I managed to win easily once I used OAAMB and MRMBs.
Thank you for the help! Someone should really put together a modern guide. |
| Gaz | Thursday, August 27, 2020 - 01:57 pm
Congrats. You now have an effective strategy to fight all c3's. |
| E O | Thursday, August 27, 2020 - 08:24 pm
Quickly playing catch-up here. I'm seeing 300 fighters and 560 fighters. Why aren't you guys using 650 unit wings? Air force attack and bombing wings have the most capacity, so you should only be creating those (you can adjust which weapons you want in there, so you can feasibly have 650 fighters in a wing).
Agreed with Gaz, that for efficiency, offensive aa batts / mrmb is the best way to go about it.
Lastly, only use 330+ quality. It makes a huge difference. |
| Matthew I | Thursday, August 27, 2020 - 08:47 pm
@E_O
I followed an old guide written in 2015 that had specific numbers for everything and, for whatever reason, they were low. https://www.simcountry.com/discus/messages/16295/25063.html?1598376867
This hurt me more than anything as I had enough air-power at the start of the war to finish it, but because I had so few fighters the two units of interceptors mauled them with horrible trade rates.
A very expensive lesson. It makes me wonder how much more difficult it gets as I progress in war level. |
| E O | Thursday, August 27, 2020 - 08:49 pm
Generally, the more difficult levels just have more weapons, more wings, bigger garrisons, etc. You shouldn't be taking worse trades, just more of them (albeit stealth bomber wings can do some damage until you take them down).
Matthew, definitely understand you trying out a guide, and bummer that it wasn't super up to date. |
| Zentrino | Friday, August 28, 2020 - 12:12 am
I use the air force attack wings that only have fighters in them which is 560. I find it easier to have those and then have fighter/bomber units which have 650 so I can quickly tell the difference in the units list when I am attacking. It's just a preference for me. |
| KingWoel | Friday, August 28, 2020 - 09:44 am
Matthew I which country do you play as? And in which world. Just curious. |
| Matthew I | Saturday, August 29, 2020 - 10:35 pm
@Kingwoel
"Kingdom of Batavia" on WG. What about you? |
| Gaz | Tuesday, September 1, 2020 - 09:35 pm
These are relevant to this topic I think. Newspaper reports of my first war on my new world. WL1. With the fighters the game provides and is supposed to be enough to win your first war, easily. These were my first 2 attacks. WTF???
Hostilities between Red Star and The Empire of Xana Hai
Thu Mar 22, 4705 Air Force Attack and Bombing Wing 'Tama' attacks the town of 'Bongor'
The Empire of Xana Hai (the attacked country) reports:
The country lost 34 interceptors.
53 soldiers were killed and 127 were wounded.
The defence was assisted by the Defense Interceptor Wing Fullerton.
The War Index remains 53.33
Red Star (the attacker) reports:
Air Force Attack and Bombing Wing 'Tama' lost 650 fighter planes.
Air Force Attack and Bombing Wing 'Tama' lost trucks, gasoline and military supplies.
The attack may have been reduced or eliminated by Anti Missile Missiles and the unit did not receive any ground support.
2587 soldiers were killed and 6636 were wounded.
The War Index remains 53.33
Hostilities between Red Star and The Empire of Xana Hai
Thu Apr 1, 4705 Air Force Attack and Bombing Wing 'Lossa' attacks the county of 'Clement Ontario'
The Empire of Xana Hai (the attacked country) reports:
The country lost 57 interceptors.
111 soldiers were killed and 191 were wounded.
The defence was assisted by the Defense Interceptor Wing Fullerton.
The attack added 2.01 damage points. The War Index is now 51.32
Red Star (the attacker) reports:
Air Force Attack and Bombing Wing 'Lossa' lost 586 fighter planes.
Air Force Attack and Bombing Wing 'Lossa' lost trucks, gasoline and military supplies.
The attack may have been reduced or eliminated by Anti Missile Missiles and the unit did not receive any ground support.
2371 soldiers were killed and 7614 were wounded.
The War Index remains 53.33 |
| Matthew I | Tuesday, September 1, 2020 - 09:43 pm
Oh damn, on WL1? That's beyond brutal. The first war I just followed the advice that the game gives you in the "How to win a war in under 10m" (or whatever that little advice paragraph is named) and managed to do it fairly easily.
When you attacked the towns, I'm assuming you went for the defenses first? At WL1 its hard to see nearly 1000 planes lose to 1000 interceptors with only a loss of only 100 interceptors.
What world did you start on? White Giant by any chance? |
| Gaz | Tuesday, September 1, 2020 - 09:48 pm
Yes war WL1 and after the losses from first attack I made sure I attacked the defence. Same result. I went to KB |
| E O | Tuesday, September 1, 2020 - 10:43 pm
Yeah, the equipment you start with is complete trash. I immediately sell it and buy brand new (quality) stuff.
It's not even close to good enough for bottom tier fighting. |
| Gaz | Tuesday, September 1, 2020 - 10:51 pm
It used to be enough to take over your first country though. Think the int wing sizes these days plays a part... maybe... |
| E O | Tuesday, September 1, 2020 - 11:05 pm
The quality is a huge issue. The weapons are terrible. |
| Matthew I | Wednesday, September 2, 2020 - 01:24 am
But isnt a C3 at WL1 have like 140-160 quality gear? I think you start out with enough to take out the C3 at WL1 |
| Zentrino | Wednesday, September 2, 2020 - 02:33 am
You are supposed to start with enough to take a country I thought. I don't remember what the win a war in 10 minutes tells you now. Does it say to use fighters? |
| E O | Wednesday, September 2, 2020 - 03:21 am
Using 330 quality weapons = c3 goes down fine. Using what you start with is total crap. I've done both in the last few weeks. Don't use what you start with  |
