| John Galt | Friday, July 26, 2019 - 09:07 pm 
Once you reach War Level 18, you are no longer able to declare war on C3 countries anymore. I understand that there is no war level 19, but I should be able to continue waging wars at the max war level. Please fix this bug guys. |
| ROBERT E LEE | Saturday, July 27, 2019 - 06:31 am
I agree you should always be able to sharpen your skills |
| Lord Mndz | Saturday, July 27, 2019 - 08:02 am
So it means that you cannot go pvp and use c3 countries as a base to attack players. Before it was that all next levels after 18th were like lvl1 so probably that was changed. |
| John Galt | Saturday, July 27, 2019 - 08:33 am
That is correct Mndz. No C3 wars can be declared at max war level, only wars against players. The button to declare does not appear. Only the cancel button shows up. I guess the developers have not gotten to WL18 either. I am the first. Glory to the Pinktator! |
| Nix001 | Saturday, July 27, 2019 - 11:31 am
Congratulations John  |
| Lord Mndz | Saturday, July 27, 2019 - 08:39 pm
There was a player in FB few months ago who reached lvl18, then after that he had to fight lvl1. There was a bug that doing that his war lvl further increased so he achieved 40+war lvl. I Ihink w3c noticed that and stopped this exploit.
Still, current situation is also not ok, so w3c is probably silently fixing the code. |
| ROBERT E LEE | Saturday, July 27, 2019 - 09:39 pm
i hope there fixing it theres not really a pvp aspect anymore so if you cant attack c3 country what else is there left of the game ? |
| John Galt | Monday, July 29, 2019 - 03:59 pm
Bump for Andy |
| Lord Mndz | Monday, July 29, 2019 - 05:26 pm
I think it would be wonderful if you could chose what c3 lvl to fight against, but you would only increase your war lvl by winning against higher lvl. |
| John Galt | Monday, July 29, 2019 - 07:24 pm
Yes! In the documentation it actually says you can choose to fight WL3, or your next war level rank. Not sure why that isn't in the game. |
| John Galt | Wednesday, July 31, 2019 - 03:00 am
Bump. Plz look into this bug. I would like to keep waging war on c3s but am prevented from doing so. The declare war button is missing at wl18. |
| Andy | Wednesday, July 31, 2019 - 05:35 pm
I am sorry about it.
I will look into it this week and we will fix it ASAP |
| John Galt | Wednesday, July 31, 2019 - 06:59 pm
Thanks Andy |
| John Galt | Wednesday, August 7, 2019 - 10:38 pm
Any update on this fix? |
| John Galt | Friday, August 23, 2019 - 03:57 am
*Bump*
Just a friendly reminder about this bug. |
| Andy | Friday, August 23, 2019 - 11:48 am
The next update will have a solution for this problem. |
| John Galt | Wednesday, August 28, 2019 - 01:16 pm
Hi Andy, I see in the update news that War Levels 19 and 20 have been added. Just so you know it still does not appear to be implemented. Also, what happens when I eventually reach WL20? Will the same bug occur or is a permanent solution going to be added? What would be an ideal fix is to have an option to declare war on a country at your max WL or at WL3 (players choice), but you only level up if you declare at your max level. |
| Andy | Wednesday, August 28, 2019 - 03:15 pm
I am sorry john,
there were some structural changes in this upgrade and we considered it more risky. Not visible changes but we need them longer term.
It was done several hours ago on KB only (after tests on our testing system).
we are waiting to test more on KB after the next month run. (this will be in an hour from now).
then, if OK,
we will install on the other worlds.
the game news were a bit too early.
Please let me know if you see change/no change after 11:00 EST |
| John Galt | Wednesday, August 28, 2019 - 04:38 pm
Will do Andy. With regard to the other part of my question, what will happen once I reach the new maximum? Will I encounter the same problem of not being able to declare wars on C3s? Can we have the possibility of declaring war on a C3 at war level 3 at anytime without advancing our war level up, or if we are at the maximum? |
| Andy | Wednesday, August 28, 2019 - 04:44 pm
John,
We added three war levels.
we will add more later.
It requires quite some work doing this but much less than needed to fight your way through (I think).
We did not decide on any C3 war feature that will not move you up the war levels.
Repeated wars against C3s at war level 3 are not really a challenge. |
| John Galt | Wednesday, August 28, 2019 - 05:57 pm
I am just concerned about what happens when I max out again? Being blocked out from C3 wars is a huge disadvantage in terms of military strategy. Sometimes you need to conquer a base near a potential enemy. There should be a way to still wage C3 wars when you hit maximum level.
Level 3 C3 wars are not about a challenge. It is about conquering an outpost without having to wage a world war against super C3s at high war level. |
| Lord Mndz | Wednesday, August 28, 2019 - 06:59 pm
I very much agree with John |
| Andy | Friday, August 30, 2019 - 11:33 pm
We had a long chat yesterday about it.
I promised to get back to you with suggestions. |
| ROBERT E LEE | Sunday, September 1, 2019 - 03:00 am
war lvls are garbage i miss when i could attack c3s and not raise it if i dont want to |
| Andy | Sunday, September 1, 2019 - 09:39 pm
It used to be a lot of money for no effort.
easier than growing your economy.
we may bring it back but for other reasons than easy money.
if you need to attack a country far away, it makes sense to conquer a country near by. |
| ROBERT E LEE | Monday, September 2, 2019 - 01:21 am
yea but you made it to where you cant take money out of a country with less then 2 trillion and what i remember there was not really money alot of money to be taken i just did it for the population . i vote to reinstate that feature |
| Andy | Monday, September 2, 2019 - 09:45 am
As I said, we will discuss here and may return it, but not for the purpose of easy assets.
and as you say, this is not the issue.
money can be made, easily, in the economy. Countries are very profitable, enterprises too.
We will also discuss it on the forum in the coming week or two, and hear others. |
| Letsie | Monday, September 2, 2019 - 11:55 am
If i may bring up an old idea.
Why not let people war at lvl 3 no matter their lvl, and if they win and are a higher war lvl just remove (almost) everything from the country. That way farming is not an option and if you want to you can still use it as a base.
Example: I am war lvl 6.
I decide to take over a country at war lvl 3
I win the war.
I get a country with 1 million pop, no goods and no money.
Their is no profit in farming that way and you can still use the country as a base. |
| Khome | Thursday, September 5, 2019 - 02:14 pm
It's very clear that there is a lot of support behind the idea of allowing us to declare on C3s; just like John said, it's not always about leveling up. There are other reasons, such as outposts and such. We don't want "rewards" for it, just the ability to take a C3.
I can't see a reason why we cannot have this feature. I know it's not a challenge, but as previously stated, it's not always about that. |
| Michael Wilson | Thursday, September 5, 2019 - 09:34 pm
Andy I need your help please, I am currently working on my army now I don't care about the costs of it any more because I have set the tax to zero and profit transfer to zero. When you said that fighting against C3 at level 3 will not move me up, how do I gain my rank to move up in levels? That's the best I can explain because I have mild intellectual disability.
Im so sorry about this, thank you yours sincerely Michael. |
| Zentrino | Thursday, September 5, 2019 - 09:55 pm
Adding my two cents, I am not sure why winning a war automatically moves you up. Just because I won a war at level 5 doesn't mean I have mastered war at that level. It may have taken me multiple attempts and cost me trillions more than it should have. Why can I not fight another war at level 5 to hone my skills and learn from the mistakes I made in the first war? We used to be able to fight 3 or 5 wars at a given level before being forced to move up. This makes much more sense to me because someone could make sure they understood the way war worked. Wars in this game take time, money,commitment, and planning. Is there really such a concern that the player gets too much money from the war? After building the army, training it, upgrading it, supplying it, and then the concern how much the player can get from winning? Why not remove all the war aspects from the game and just make it an econ simulation already. |
| John Galt | Thursday, September 5, 2019 - 10:46 pm
I think war levels need to be disconnected completely from PVP also. There should be no war level protection. Everyone gets their secured country, and thats it. War levels can remain in the game simply for achievement purposes and bragging rights. Also everyone should be able to declare at war level 3 at any time for outpost conquering.
People need to not get attached to their countries. Set up your economy to be based around your CEOs and your secured country. Store weapons in CEO, ammo in secured. Only store what weapons/ammo you need in your slave countries. Don't become attached to your slave countries. If you lose them, it shouldn't be a big deal because you didn't lose all your weapons/ammo or your economy. It's so easy to rebuild slave countries now with the increased population growth levels, so don't stress about it. Your CEO and secured are always going to be safe, so plan around that. Detach yourselves from the 1s and 0s as the great Pinktator used to say and maybe we can make sim country wars great again. |
| Michael Wilson | Thursday, September 5, 2019 - 11:51 pm
Hello John. who is the Pinktator, is that me? And also, how do transfer my weapons to my ceo account and use it for war? |
| John Galt | Friday, September 6, 2019 - 12:06 am
The Pinktator was the founder of Lacerta Defense Initiative.
To transfer weapons to your CEO you can use space shuttles. |
| Michael Wilson | Friday, September 6, 2019 - 03:14 am
oh cool thank you |
| Zentrino | Friday, September 6, 2019 - 03:54 am
John Galt,
I agree! There is almost nothing to the war game now. I have all these weapons I bought so I could fight some wars (even if they were C3) and then I find out every war increases my war level. After 18 wars or 20 wars, I am done? How boring is that. I used to fight 20 wars in a week doing C3 raiding. There is plenty more to a good C3 raid than the money that was left in them. It is nice that you don't need population feeders the way you used to and it does not seem you have to control the average age either.
I would happily come to LU if I thought there could be good battles to be fought there. Who cares if I lose a satellite country? The war was the fun part! |
| Khome | Friday, September 6, 2019 - 03:36 pm
Please allow us to attack C3s at war level 3. It would make a world of difference, and a happy player base. |
| John Galt | Friday, September 6, 2019 - 03:41 pm
I think LU has the most active player base. You should come on over Zentrino.
I wish they could merge all the worlds except FB into one giant world. Just keep all 40 continents so no countries have to be moved around. Would be great. Not sure how feasible it is but I can dream right. |
| Letsie | Friday, September 6, 2019 - 06:05 pm
John Galt is right zentrino. LU is the best of the worlds. Come on over and find your little spark back!
i see no reason why the worlds should stay sepperated. It would be a major boost to the community in every way. It shouldnt be to hard to implement. Yes the markets might need to adjust but that should not be a reason not to do it. |
| Zentrino | Friday, September 6, 2019 - 07:59 pm
I originally was on LU so maybe the Nevrondona civilization needs to rise again there. |
| Lord Mndz | Friday, September 6, 2019 - 09:39 pm
I can still remember when LU was opened, but I could never betray FB. GR was a dream world long time ago as it was the only world for premiums only. A lot changed from these days but now it is even less clear what world is for what gamestyle. |
| John Galt | Friday, September 6, 2019 - 11:12 pm
The player base is too small right now to reasonably support all 5 worlds. Imagine if all the processing power was directed into just 2 worlds. The game would probably run like a dream. |
| ROBERT E LEE | Saturday, September 7, 2019 - 04:32 am
i would need compensation for my enterprises if we cut to two worlds
asbestos cough |
| Lord Mndz | Saturday, September 7, 2019 - 06:26 pm
I think the problem is not about processing power, but about what you can do as a player. In my old days there were 2 game months per day but more action was going on. |
| ROBERT E LEE | Monday, September 9, 2019 - 05:54 am
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THIS HEARS STINKY FEET, IM GOING DOWN A 21 % GRADE THE BRAKES ARE ON FIRE AND MY STEERING'S KIND LIKE MY X-WIFE LOOSE AND TENDS TO WONDER!
OH YEA
I AINT GOT NO PANTIES ON !
WOOOHOOOOOO OVER
LOBS SOME CRUISE MISSILES IN JOHNS DIRECTION !
WHO IS THE JOHN GALT GUY ANY WHOS ;)
pip pip cheerios hahahahaha |
| ROBERT E LEE | Tuesday, September 10, 2019 - 01:36 am
this is crap i cant have a military exercise with john because of war lvls
(eye roll)
LESS GOVERNMENT !!!!!!!!! LESS REGULATION !!!!!!!!! |
| John Galt | Tuesday, September 10, 2019 - 02:20 am
You can, just turn off war level protection in your war page settings. Also gives you a nice welfare index boost. |
| ROBERT E LEE | Tuesday, September 10, 2019 - 04:39 am
LESS GOVERNMENT !!!!! LESS Regulation !!!!!!! LET ME MAKE MY OWN DECISIONS GAME ADMIN PEOPLE
disable war regulations today let me take country's next to my enemy as throw aways, with out a raise in war lvl ,down with john GALT ! down with pink tatters up with fried tomatters ! all hail the rebels !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
im asking all country's !! to join the confederate nations on LITTLE UP this military excise is weapon quaility 120ish so it brings you younger gun into participat also . all are welcome please for yall " saving your weapons there is not PVP any more so come on hell with it !!! |
| Andy | Saturday, September 14, 2019 - 12:30 am
I will read this discussion tomorrow and react. |
| Letsie | Saturday, September 14, 2019 - 04:13 pm
Alright I am very anxious to hear your response!
ALL HAAAAIIILLL ANDY! |
| Andy | Sunday, September 15, 2019 - 01:07 am
What I take from this discussion is the following:
some want war levels to go
others want to fight at wl 3 but for strategic reasons, not for money.
others probably want to have a financial advantage.
You are saying you want to fight any country and should not get attached to a certain country but it seems to be all about C3 wars.
My comments:
We will look into the possibility to fight and stay at the same level with no financial advantage what so ever and stay at the same wl.
we will consider making it possible to attack a wider range of countries with fewer limitations.
Countries in wl lower than 3 will not be attacked at all.
Players who are not interested in the war game and do not attack others will remain in a lower wl and cannot be attacked.
We consider winning against very high wl C3 countries a sign of experience and will pay high gold coin awards.
We would like less regulations less government etc.
We always bumped against misuse of features and were forced to make concessions.
protect peaceful players, protect very small countries against players to tried to kick as many players as they could out of the game.
when considering changes, we will think hard about how to protect such players.
We have created a world for PvP wars and there were no takers despite high cash $ awards.
FB is a war world. I think that we should start removing limitations on FB. it should be a world for experienced war players. |
| Andy | Sunday, September 15, 2019 - 01:08 am
There are also other comments but not directly related to the war game but please add whatever I am missing. |
| John Galt | Sunday, September 15, 2019 - 05:59 am
Andy players who do not wish to participate in war can choose not to by only keeping their secure mode country or by buying war protection boosters for their slaves. War levels have killed all interaction between players because there is no incentive to reach out and make allies since everyone gets free protection when they are under war level 3, which is probably where 95% of the players are. If you took out war levels from FB I would make that my primary world in a heart beat. War level restrictions are absolutely devastating to the game. There is no excitement and risk like there used to be in the past. This game used to be very hardcore. |
| Lord Mndz | Sunday, September 15, 2019 - 07:06 am
Go FB go!! |
| Andy | Sunday, September 15, 2019 - 01:23 pm
John,
we used to let players choose between a peaceful game or a war game.
what you are saying is that everyone with more than one country will be exposed to war, even a new player tho followed the war tutorial and got himself a second country in 10 minutes.
why attack peaceful players while there are war players and you can fight PvP wars.
Very few dare to fight real PvP wars.
PvP wars should not be against peaceful players.
New players and peaceful players will have the possibility to stay out of the war game.
If they try it a little bit, that is OK too.
if they start building an empire with more countries, they are obviously into the war game and can be attacked. |
| John Galt | Sunday, September 15, 2019 - 02:22 pm
Andy it is about creating an atmosphere for this game. If players feel there is no risk to war, as is the case now, they will play very differently than if there was a risk. Players that feel no risk generally do not reach out or participate in the community. They are essentially playing a single player game. When players feel that there is some risk, they make allies, form federations, figure out who their neighbours are. There is none of that right now because there is no incentive for players to do this. The game has no atmosphere right now. Without war, we are essentially playing a spreadsheet simulator with a bunch of C3 countries. In the past before war levels I used to maintain standing armies because you had to. No one has armies deployed in peacetime now. Players who participate in war create all the drama and excitement for this game. No one participates in war right now because 95% of the game is below war level 3, so the game has no excitement. Its a snooze fest right now. Why is it a bad thing for players to lose slave countries? Their secured is safe, their CEOs are safe. Why should people be completely insulated from risk. How is that making a good game? We all should have some skin in the game. Pretty much every browser strategy game has pvp without an option to insulate from it. Why should this game be different. Secure mode, ceos, and war protection boosters is plenty enough security for players in my opinion.
Andy Im telling you this as someone who is mostly a peaceful player. I think I have a good pulse on this game and what things would work and not work. Im not making completely uninformed suggestions to benefit myself. I want this game to thrive, but war levels are killing the community interaction. If youre worried about what will happen, do it on FB only as a experiment and I think you will see it become the most active and popular world.
Just as a side note, to illustrate how important player interaction is to the health of the game. Look at LU. Do you know where the greatest cluster of active players are? The areas surrounding North West Lacerta, which includes East part of Virginia Bella and South East part of Centura Donna. In that small area we have Letsie, Johanas, Robert, Wicked Lady, Agoria, Scott Isaac, and myself. People are choosing countries around there because it is slightly less of a snooze fest than the rest of the world because there are some active feds there. If war levels are gone you will see more active feds forming because they will actually serve a purpose. That will be good for the health of the community. Most of the feds right now have only one player in them.
And again you keep bringing up players who do not want to participate in pvp. That is what secure mode is for is it not? If a player conquers a slave country they are clearly showing an interest in war and should not be 100% insulated from it. |
| Lord Mndz | Sunday, September 15, 2019 - 04:41 pm
I very much agree with John, being too much secure is wrong way to play this game. The good way is to allow players to lose but help them to rebuild and fight back. Why not to remove all war restrictions from FB and see what happens, this has been asked for years. |
| Lord Mndz | Sunday, September 15, 2019 - 04:45 pm
I think I was never more engaged into this game than when I lost my first empire to Knights who say kneel federation. It was 15-16 years ago and i can still remember the trick they used to win the war, it was by far the best game expierence, and I returned to this game for moments like this. |
| ROBERT E LEE | Monday, September 16, 2019 - 07:20 am
yeet i was mentioned in a comment whoot whoot
LESS GOVERNMENT wait for it wait for it LESS REGULATION
Robert E. Lee
and ive stated my opinion i think war lvls need to be on the way out or at least let WE the people have a vote on it |
| Letsie | Monday, September 16, 2019 - 08:54 am
I am going to say something that most people here probably do not understand.
I think war levels are pretty good for 90% of the players and worlds. When I started playing (when I was just a little boy) I got destroyed, and destroyed and destroyed and destroyed again. It was not a pleasant experience being farmed again and again.
Most people posting here will say: GIT GUT or you should have done x or y. But when you are new to this very complicated game you do not have the insight and the contacts to do all those things.
I 100% agree that FB should be a real war world without war lvls. But I also think war levels are far less of a problem then most people in the forum make it out to be.
So my vote would be something like: remove war levels from FB and just see what happens. |
| Khome | Monday, September 16, 2019 - 02:10 pm
I think your suggestion to have to option to remain at war level 3 is a great one, and I'm encouraged by it. I would like the opportunity to fight wars, at war level 3, without the financial incentive; that would get me interested again. However, I'm locked in at war level 14, so would the war level three declaration be available for higher level war players? I say this because the war level 14 is not truly reflective of my war capabilities. In other words, I'm not that experienced in it at all. That's not reflecting well on me, however the war levels were pushed up only by me fighting C3s. War lvl 14 is impossible for me, and even if I could, it would be a major drain on resources and my time. It takes days to even wage a war now.
So I ask that I can attack C3s, at lower levels, for the features stated above.
Thank you, I'm looking forward to this. |
| Zentrino | Monday, September 16, 2019 - 08:06 pm
I agree with the statements here, particularly for FB. War has been dead on the other planets for a long time, but FB used to still have some war game. I came back to FB and find it just as dead as the other planets with regard to war. For instance, in both of my countries on the "war world", I have ZERO defensive weapons because why would I bother with that? C3s can't attack me. |
| Andy | Tuesday, September 17, 2019 - 05:48 pm
we will reexamine the war limitations on FB and try to removed.
I do not think that we should go back to the destroy-every-new-user mode we had for some time.
I also promised to have a re evaluation of the forced level increase after each war. |
| Lord Mndz | Tuesday, September 17, 2019 - 09:11 pm
Go FB go!! |
| The_Wicked_Lady | Tuesday, September 17, 2019 - 09:58 pm
@ Zentrino, I'll come attack you! :P
@ Andy, my dear beloved Son,
I do hope that you will bring back some of the "old days" in the war game. I know that measures had to be put in place to protect newer players, BUT, I like bringing the need for Federations and their support back. Back in the day when I played, my Federation protected me. Because I wasn't the skilled fighter, I stayed in war protection when instructed, provided air defense when needed, and fought along with them when I could. We all played our parts/roles. My specialty was always recruitment.:-D
On FB, I think it would be great to bring that style of play back - the competition between federations and such. It supports involvement with players, interaction, training, hopefully "good-nature" drama, and fun that can extend for many years.
I think players like myself, who remember those "good ole" days, can never really get past it, because that was the "thrill" for a majority of players, who have loved this game through the years - even those who didn't war. The econ-only players were supported and needed. They taught econ because as you know to be strong militarily (is that a word??? lol), you must have a strong economy! :-D
I don't know how much work this would be, but I think it certainly is something to consider. The other worlds can be limited so newer players can become trained and skilled to eventually join FB if they are driven to play the war game with annihilation and what not. lol This would provide them time to be safe and learn. It is a starting point and will take time to catch on, if you move it back in that direction.
Just some thoughts from your old Mom! :P
Thank you for listening to everyone and their ideas. We really appreciate you for that! |
| John Galt | Wednesday, September 18, 2019 - 12:00 am
Awesome news for FB. I have a small outpost there that I have been neglecting. I will put some more effort on it now in light of the changes. Looking forward to a vibrant FB! |
