| Orbiter | Friday, February 20, 2015 - 10:31 am 
it takes a lot less now, i used to be a drunk, and simcountry was my what ever
anyways, the only thing i really have to rail on, why are docking cost still so high? in the day, when you could spend a night raiding, convert GC, and buy as many docks as you want, 200GC, was stiff, but ok. now, its much more difficult.
space is a great feature, docking costs should be 30 for a dock, and equivalent rental. i'm seriously interested in why the GM maintain their price. all it takes is a little typing, to change prices
seriously, like an hours work, and space is a full on game
Josias Jorvick |
| Orbiter | Friday, February 20, 2015 - 12:19 pm
random story, i was drinking at this guys house, you had to climb some steps behind the dingiest bar in town to get to his place
they started telling this story about some other guy that had been totally been beat up, and his story was he was jumped by 5 pissed indians behind the bar.
a friend of mine just smilled, then when we asked, point at himself, and said his indian name, was "Five pissed indians," |
| Jack | Friday, February 20, 2015 - 10:58 pm
Josias - you are way too funny. On a serious note you have done more to make the space game viable than anyone. You are responsible for driving down the costs of space shuttles to where anyone can afford one. You have made high quality products available on the space station at an affordable price. The GM would do well to take your advice on cutting the costs of docks. I would buy one for 30 GC but not 200 GC. To me it is a win - win situation for everyone. There are a lot of empty space docks out there. Again Josias thank you breathing life into the space market. |
| NERO | Saturday, February 21, 2015 - 04:17 am
What tribe was he from? |
| Karr | Saturday, February 21, 2015 - 05:38 am
Probably one of the tribes that don't own casinos. Hence the "pissed" part.
Back when I started playing SC again, I toyed with the idea of making my screen name "Dances With Debt." :P
And I'm in full agreement with Josias. The space game has much room for growth and needs to be easier to access for players. The dock costs and lease fees are keeping many away, and are holding back that growth. I've had a lot of fun with my Carina dock since I got it, but without being offered a generous deal on it as I was, I was likely not going to buy one. There are other docks on various stations I'd like to expand my trade into - and hopefully others get involved too to spice up the competition - but I don't see it happening as things stand now. |
| Orbiter | Saturday, February 21, 2015 - 01:51 pm
"Five pissed indians," was a corn fed white railroad tramp. That bar was mostly for the tramps, and homegaurd (homeless that don't ride the rails or hitchhike,) at the time i had a job and was moving in a positive direction, and was just hanging with a bunch of my tramp friends. and to answer the next question, i never road the rails or such. and this was in the 20ish year ago range.
But the tribes in that area are Modoc and Klamath. And they do have a casino. i would like to be clear, my story was not intended to label Indians in any such way. it was the play on words that was meant to be funny. |
| Orbiter | Saturday, February 21, 2015 - 02:15 pm
Another random story, a couple of my friends and i where walking home one day. And we decided to take a short cut across the Railroad tracks. My friend Jerry called out to my friend Russ, pointing at a sign,
"It Says No Trespassing"
"Thats ok, it says that all the time!" |
| Jackseptic | Saturday, February 21, 2015 - 09:18 pm
Hey josias just wanted say HI ....your still one of my favorites  |
| Orbiter | Saturday, February 21, 2015 - 11:05 pm
thanks guys,
and my main question, in this thread is still valid.
currently, it costs about 20 US Dollars, to buy a dock. Isn't that a little stiff? just to be able to buy Conventional Missiles, but not Stealth Bombers?
I don't mind the way its set up, its just to expensive for most players. It has the ability to draw in money, so that players can purchase goods, (mostly weapons,) from space |
| Jackseptic | Sunday, February 22, 2015 - 01:55 am
To your point of space vs cost, its been a very long time since i rented any docs and never bought any that i can remember. i will have to play it a little more to make an informed opinion i do remember feeling thou that i wasnt gettin enough bang for my buck. ill be messing with it a little more in the days to come and try it out again.. |
| Jonni Gil | Sunday, February 22, 2015 - 02:23 pm
The price was set at this level because it is a feature for experienced players and has some pretty extreme earning potential for those who are willing to take a risk and invest time into figuring out how to work the system.
A side note: adding more uses to the space game is an ongoing conversation and will hopefully lead to many more presidents venturing into space over time. Any suggestions are of course always welcome. |
| Orbiter | Sunday, February 22, 2015 - 11:21 pm
your kidding, right?
haha, thats a good one, whats the real reason? |
| Orbiter | Tuesday, February 24, 2015 - 12:58 am
i guess what i should say is thank you for answering the question, but i truly feel that is a spin
as long as i'm in story mode, let me tell you another one, true story.
I knew this girl that wanted to make cookies for her room mates. She followed the instructions, mixed the ingredients, turned on the oven, when she pulled the cookies out, she offer me one
"No, thanks," i said,
"What wrong with them?" she asked
"Their half baked."
"What?"
"Their raw, you should put them back in."
She considered that for a moment, then pointed out her room mates where guys, and they'd just be excited to have home made cookies. Later i asked her how the cookies went over, turned out they weren't impressed by half raw cookies.
Space, is a half baked feature. If space were already a popular feature, 200 GC for a dock, would be a fair price. How ever, given the limited buying/selling, and low volume of demand, 200 GC is an absurd price.
originally, and for most of the life span of space, players could purchase GC with game cash. with this, it was pointless to sell products in space at a loss. further, it was pointless for some one to pay GC to buy products at an equal or greater price.
space station trade was a half baked feature. the GM gave us something, thinking that we'd just eat it up, as players hungry for more feature. be we were less than impressed. and space just collected dust, until the Cash to GC converstion was removed. it was at that time, that I started posting all over the place the value in gaining GC via space stations, by selling at a reduced price, creating value for those that wish to purchase, and for those that wish to sell, a hard to get resource. it was a win win.
but this is still dramatically hampered buy the absurdly high docking cost. if the docking costs where to be lowered, its probable that in the 3-5 rl year range, prices could be returned to the current level, and still have people wanting to buy in. |
| Karr | Tuesday, February 24, 2015 - 03:58 am
^--Yes. |
| Derpa | Tuesday, February 24, 2015 - 04:45 am
I also agree with Josias.
If anything, it'd make sense to be able to buy a dock for cheap, but have limited trading space. If you want to increase trading space, you could buy additional area to "expand" your dock. |
| Jonni Gil | Tuesday, February 24, 2015 - 01:29 pm
I meant to point out in my post that the earning potential of a dock is the reasoning behind its price. Future features are always on our mind but we didn't price the dock according to what may or may not happen in the future.
The idea of allowing people to buy a small dock for cheap and upgrading its size to max by investing more, is a good idea. |
| Orbiter | Tuesday, February 24, 2015 - 04:11 pm
thats kinda my point, jonni, it has potential, but thats all it has. until the volume increases, it wont amount to much.
no one is gonna pay GC to sell, unless they are confident they'll make their money back. as it stands, their are only a handful of products that players are willing to buy. if the buy in was cheaper, more people would be interested in buying food, and industrial products, at a discount.
take a look at the Ceti volume, not really enough to justify the 400GC i've invested, but their is an actual demand!
other stations, like Toucan, and Pictor, could have some potential. Especially with an improve boycott system, forcing people to pay GC to feed their pop...
Libra, when you guys added that, you said it was to make space shuttle parts availible for every one. Because some players where buying up all the parts, grins devilishly and others couldn't buy any. So I invested in selling space parts in Libra, but very rarely ever sell anything. Infact, the only thing worth even trying, is SMUs. But why would some one pay 5 GC to rent a dock, to pay 0.7 GC for 4K SMUs, when shuttles are 0.16 each? Its more expensive to buy SMUs, than to just buy extra shuttles. if the rental costs where lowered to 0.5-1.5GC, for less than 5GC, a player could buy an efficient shuttle fleet. Promoting interplanetary trade. A player could potentially run just a CEO in every world, using interplanetary trade, to make their money, to buy stuff, and sell in space.
But like you said, it has allot of potential. And if it was to reach that, 200GC would be a fair price. but that price has been what has kept it from growing.
it wasn't until i literally dumped products at a fraction of the game cash cost that anything happened, aside from nukes and a some stealth bombers. now, i actually sell Precision Bombers, Precision Bombs, Fighters, Fighter Missiles, Attack Helicopters, Attack Helicopter Missiles, Stealth Bombers, Laser Guided Bombs, Airforce Maintenance Units, Factory Maintenance Units, Mobile Helecopter Wings, Mobile Interceptor Wings, and Mobile Stealth Bomber Wings, regularly, and from time to time Mobile Missile Defense Units.
Thats quiet a list. and it can get longer, with more players involved in both the buying and selling, but its just not gonna happen with the current docking prices. and the history of SC Space supports what i'm saying |
| Orbiter | Tuesday, February 24, 2015 - 04:17 pm
As an aside, i'm not really interested in doing drones, NFP, or NH, but i'd bet they'd sell also.
Not sure about interceptors, and defensive helicopters, on Columba, i think i'm in a position to try. I've been wanting to do those for about a year, i'll probably try those next |
| Orbiter | Tuesday, February 24, 2015 - 04:34 pm
Jonni, let me offer you a deal, i'm willing to put my money where my mouth is.
40 total Docks, 10 each on Pictor, Ceti, Columba, and Toucan.
Lower the price to 30, and i'll pay half the difference, 85GC each, times 40, is 3400 GC, you can subtract that from my account, then offer 10 Docks each on those 4 stations. and see what happens in the next 6 months. |
| The_Wicked_Lady | Wednesday, February 25, 2015 - 01:37 am
And, Jack.................I thought I WAS your favorite!!!!!!!!!!!! SCOWL |
| Jonni Gil | Wednesday, February 25, 2015 - 05:03 pm
We recently increased the storage space in docks by reducing the volume per product. There will be more changes like this in the near future.
We're considering making a second type of dock which will be smaller and go for a lower price, as to decrease the initial investment for someone who wants to venture into space.
Lastly, for the time being, renting a dock is pretty cheap. 5GC per real world month. |
| Jackseptic | Saturday, February 28, 2015 - 07:39 pm
You will always be one of my favorites Wicked...you recruited me to FB when i was a noob |
| The_Wicked_Lady | Tuesday, March 10, 2015 - 12:59 am
You are one of my favs too, JackAttack! :-) There are so many of you that I adore. |
