| Marco Guerra | Tuesday, July 30, 2013 - 07:46 pm 
This is good news,although he still faces 25yrs,or more unless he appeals. |
| bsotoro | Tuesday, July 30, 2013 - 07:51 pm
He should be found not guilty of all and they should be going after the Obama administration for charges. |
| Marco Guerra | Tuesday, July 30, 2013 - 07:58 pm
You're speaking the truth bsotoro,doubt obama will ever feel the heat!
unless more people rise up. |
| Nico | Tuesday, July 30, 2013 - 08:02 pm
He's getting 130 years. But I think the US government is all messed up. Like they want to charge Snowden for what? Telling everyone that the government is spying on us?!? Obama = Hitler. Nuff said. Hitler spied on everyone. What is Obama doing? That's right. Spying. EVEN ON OUR ALLIES! Hitler hated Jews and spread poperganda about Jews. Now Obama and Bush are doing the same thing saying all Muslims are terriosts and that we should destroy them. Sounds so much alike it's scary. And apparently I'm not the only one, because there was a group of people protesting it in my town. Just my opinion. |
| thewhy | Tuesday, July 30, 2013 - 08:09 pm
that's funny because the wise men on fox news told me manning was guilty no doubt about it and that the case was a slam dunk...... From what I have heard Snowden is telling Russia and other countries what information we have on them.... what fox news compared to the rosenburgs.... but then again they still live in the cold war.... technically what hes doing is illegal but that begs the question is what hes doing wrong.... keeping the government accountable to the people.... no that's not wrong..... that's God damn American |
| Philipp Bauer | Tuesday, July 30, 2013 - 10:49 pm
I say hurray, may there be more Americans to leak secrets of what their country has done to us Europeans. And the world. |
| Nico | Tuesday, July 30, 2013 - 11:05 pm
Indeed! |
| Serpent | Wednesday, July 31, 2013 - 03:16 am
Mr Phillip the USA is doing the same thing that any other 1/2 developed country in the world is doing. |
| Borg Queen | Wednesday, July 31, 2013 - 11:54 am
but not any other 1/2 developed Country is 'the land of the free and the home of the brave' and what I find most disturbing is the extend of the spying even on the own population, guess the DDR's Stasi would be proud if they would have been able to do that.
and besides that I guess you dont want to say if everyone does it, it is the right thing to do? |
| Teh Kilrain | Wednesday, July 31, 2013 - 02:29 pm
They are spying on you now. On this very thread. I can see the eyes in my monitor, looking back at me... |
| The_Wicked_Lady | Wednesday, July 31, 2013 - 03:28 pm
Oh you are confusing that Teh Kilrain wif The Roving Eye of Simcountry. They are always watching. :P |
| Space313 | Wednesday, July 31, 2013 - 08:09 pm
Honestly, the US government isn't spying on its allies, it's spying on people, people in general are crazy and it doesn't matter where they are from. I don't care to be spyied on because I have nothing to hide, and I do t care since its confidential. I don't care to be spied on as long as the US and it's allies are safe, it stopped 50+ terrorist attacks, and people keep that information in away in their minds keep attacking the government. |
| Tallisibeth na Colliete | Wednesday, July 31, 2013 - 08:17 pm
Frankly, with what Snowden is doing is also going to get foreign agents killed. And not only that, it is ordinary statecraft. Because if you think that our allies are not spying on us, you are sadly mistaken. Every nation spies on everybody, whether they be friend, foe, or the guy next door. |
| Marco Guerra | Wednesday, July 31, 2013 - 09:30 pm
I agree,every nation uses spys for defence,war,tech advancement,this has always been
the problem i & millions of other human beings,have is the german-us-nsa!
is only spying regular people,add the bullsh*t with the irs,tsa fondling kids wtf
is wrong with you two,this is some 1984 sh*t,so i do care about my fellow man i love
humankind never will i love or serve a government like this.
p.s. Snowden & manning are heroic men of my generation. |
| Philipp Bauer | Wednesday, July 31, 2013 - 09:33 pm
Germany should not be considering asylum for Snowden, my country should open its doors for him. But the US Government has a knife at our backs, saying "Don't do it" much like on everyone else called "Allies". Russia is pretty much the only country willing to withstand US pressure, this just makes me really sad for Germany, especially because of the humiliating fact that my Government helped in this spying. Europe is in a huge debate right now (Except the UK... which is technically a US Overseas Franchise). |
| Marco Guerra | Wednesday, July 31, 2013 - 09:51 pm
I understand @philipp bauer,the german people didn't know about this madness,
but the people who really deserve our thanks,is the chiinese/hongkong leaders & people
if not them letting snowden get on that plane,he was "KOS" which proves whether we like
eachother or not,we're all in this boiling pot together. |
| asurfaholic | Thursday, August 1, 2013 - 04:05 am
Wow. I didnt know I landed in such GOOD company where so many people actually can think for themselves and not believe all the lies the TV tells us. I knew I was in the right place..
American government is dangerous. I believe that it assassinated Micheal Hastings, who was a reporter who reportedly was going to expose something on the CIA. Hours before he was killed, he sent a message to his colleagues saying he was being investigated by the FBI, and had to "lay low for a while" and that they may be questioned regarding him or his story. Then for some reason he goes speeding across town and his car just randomly looses control and blows up. |
| Marco Guerra | Thursday, August 1, 2013 - 07:34 am
@asurfaholic,i love you brother,& thank you for mentioning Micheal Hastings,
the s.c.u.m,will create car crashes,plant coke,plant p*rn on anyone who's against,
their sick "eww world order" but there is some good guys & girls within the FED.
Without those people from inside sigh'i don't know if we could've even stood a.
chance in hell,of defeating these people. |
| thewhy | Thursday, August 1, 2013 - 05:57 pm
I hope the Germans grant Snowden asylum well anyone would be good i think many americans are against information gathering on private citizens without a warrant or oversight of some sort..... i do happen to believe that the NSA employs very responsible people however all it takes is one person to fuck it all up and invade someones private life.... i dont think the spying on other countries governments is all to horrendous just ordinary statecraft like talisbeth said however seeing as the US is a leader of the free world we are setting a poor example to other countries and are displaying fantastic hypocricy instead of our cherished American ideals and space313 "those who would sacrifice the least bit of freedom for the least bit of security deserve nethier".... im of the mind that is principles like these which make america america and americans americans |
| thewhy | Thursday, August 1, 2013 - 05:57 pm
i feel like Manning is just doing in for the infamy but what do i know im brainwashed on fox news |
| Marco Guerra | Thursday, August 1, 2013 - 09:15 pm
Lol @thewhy,i'll give fox news some credit,they offer tons of T&A!
but that's it. |
| Laguna | Friday, August 2, 2013 - 01:23 am
We want all the juicy gossip from Snowden too. |
| Nico | Friday, August 2, 2013 - 01:34 am
Lol |
| Mongolian Stomper | Friday, August 2, 2013 - 04:22 am
it's all a game people. get your heads screwed on right. somethings in the works here and i feel we being played for fools. don't fall into this trap. Pale Rider |
| Serpent | Friday, August 2, 2013 - 06:02 pm
From Borg Queen:
Quote:but not any other 1/2 developed Country is 'the land of the free and the home of the brave' and what I find most disturbing is the extend of the spying even on the own population, guess the DDR's Stasi would be proud if they would have been able to do that.
and besides that I guess you dont want to say if everyone does it, it is the right thing to do?
You are assuming that I believe the USA is the "the land of the free and the home of the brave". I do not.
Also I do not think that if everyone is doing it, its the right thing to do.
I apologize if you misunderstood me and assumed certain things. (Thats the problem we face on internet posts I suppose.) The point I was making is that all the world governments are doing the same thing.
But here is the 'skinny' on this subject.
The GREAT MAJORITY of world governments, most definitely including the USA/German/Russia, are . This is an undisputed fact! So personally I choose to not believe anything I hear from them. We hear the statement that 'over 50 terrorist plots have been foiled' from the intrusive spying. Who says this? Ahhhh, the same people who are doing the spying... Seriously??? Again this is just a group of known liars (The USA/any world government) spewing out lies in an attempt to justify their actions.
As for the Fox News/ MSNBS/CNN... Republican/Democrat mess... its all part of the 'Hegelian Dialectic'. We are made to think we have choices, when in reality we do not. Let me explain this in a somewhat humorous way. If I declare war on you and my goal is to defeat you and take control of your country but I ask you How do you want me to accomplish this? You prefer me to destroy you with cruise missiles or would you prefer me to bomb you into oblivion? The result or final outcome will be the same. Only the method changes. So in reality, did I even give you a choice?
This is the same type of choice/situation the USA public is presented with. The whole system is going down, and going down rather rapidly. We think we have a choice but the reality is that its all headed for disaster.
However all is not lost, when major changes happen humanity can/will survive, but most certainly not with the present system that's in place. |
| thewhy | Friday, August 2, 2013 - 07:28 pm
What's the final outcome? |
| Serpent | Saturday, August 3, 2013 - 04:40 am
That question has been asked for millenniums. Different belief systems have various answers. Therefore each individual must study and find out which system or set of beliefs fits the current system of things correctly.
Or continue to put faith in a system that has failed ever since the beginning of human history. |
| thewhy | Thursday, August 22, 2013 - 07:35 am
I'm curious about this Hegelian dialect that you say has been implemented since the beggining of human history? are you saying there has never been any real changes throughout human history? when does human history begin do you suppose? neolithic revolution? |
| Serpent | Thursday, August 22, 2013 - 04:18 pm
There most certainly have been changes throughout history. The point Im making is that in most countries, especially ones that have what they call 'democratic' governments, is that those of the public think they have made those changes.
The reality is that through various types of social engineering and propaganda the public has been pushed into a largely predetermined course. Although along the course that has been preselected for us we are given minor choices that can possibly change our direction ever so slightly we are still headed in the same general direction.
Here is another example:
If you and I were in a car at a stoplight, Im driving and I said we are going to McDonalds and I ask you 'which way do you want to go'? You say 'right'. So I turn right. It might take us a few minutes longer or less to arrive there but guess where we are still going? McDonalds! But you were given a choice, or so you thought.
With politics and most times religion humans think that they have been given choices.... but they are all still 'going to McDonalds'! Obviously this example is an over simplification but I think you get the principles in play here.
You have asked 'What is the final outcome'? and 'When does human history begin'? Tjose question can/do have religious implications and although Im happy to discuss religion Im not sure others are willing. |
| Scarlet | Friday, August 23, 2013 - 09:15 pm
The hegelian dialectic means something else. The actual meaning is that a proposition and its antithesis resolve themselves to create a higher truth in synthesis with the process being repeated throughout history (short version). It's one of those old trash systematic philosophies that expects reality to conform to uber-simplistic ideas.
In the context of politic philosophy, I'm only aware of Marxism actually using this idea... and that was to justify communism as the scientifically inevitable "final outcome". The twentieth century proved otherwise in a variety of ways... not least because it was never wealthy, capitalistic societies that turned to communism. |
| Serpent | Friday, August 23, 2013 - 09:34 pm
Quote:The actual meaning is that a proposition and its antithesis resolve themselves to create a higher truth in synthesis with the process being repeated throughout history.
The 'proposition' and its 'antithesis' is exactly what we are presented with. We are given a choice or proposition, ie.... Republican. Then given its 'antithesis' ie.... Democrat. But the final outcome has been largely determined already. As far as a 'higher truth' being the result is debatable. There are of course many more examples of the hegelian dialectic than the 'Republican/Democrat example, this is just one of the more obvious.
Yes, Marxism did publicly embrace the hegelian dialectic. The same system is being employed now in many parts of the world including and unfortunately the United States.
Id agree that the hegelian dialectic is an old trash philosophy but that dosen't mean its no longer being used.
Then your point of wealthy capitalistic societies not 'turning' to it is true to some extent, but then again whats happening to the 'wealth' of the US (17T debt) and capitalism with the huge and increasing amount of government regulations? General wealth is declining rapidly and capitalism is crowded out with government regulations. It has become where only the rich get richer and the poor and middle class getting poorer. This is one of the results of the hegelian dialectic being used. |
