| Andy | Wednesday, November 14, 2012 - 03:13 pm 
1. The level upgrades will now be executed immediately when you check the indexes page. If all conditions are met, the level will be increased. The waiting time to the next month processing will be eliminated.
2. New Icons on the country maps that are now available, will be implemented on the maps. This change will have a major influence on the appearance of all maps in peace and in war time.
3. Mobile Units will be completed. The implementation was delayed before and the units will be added to Simcountry this month. |
| SuperSoldierRCP | Thursday, November 15, 2012 - 10:14 am
Yes, Yes, and meh...
I have 2 Questions
#1 when will Q effect navies?
#2 can something be done to increase fed fighting abilities. Resently i had a member(s) of my fed decced. Even though i signed the war dec i couldnt help them becuase the attacker was war level 3 and i was war level 6. Can something be done about it, IT MAKES NO SENCE. why just becuase im a single level higher that i should be FORBIDDEN from helping my allies. Granted i understand the reason behind not allowing higher levels to gang up on lower level players but being Decced APOWN should have no effect. Id like to ask is- Can something about this be changed?
Change in Question is this.
When a member of a fed is attacked can ALL players who sign the war dec REGUARDLESS of level be able to counterdec and help defend there ally? |
| sbroccoli | Thursday, November 15, 2012 - 10:38 am
SuperSoldier makes sense to me.. |
| SweetPea | Thursday, November 15, 2012 - 01:10 pm
Wrong Supersoldier. You knew the consequences of moving up war levels.
You moved up war levels after I dropped a country on your border. You made the comment about me attacking only 'n00bs' So I tried to change my evil ways and declare on you since you 'say' I only declare on n00bs.
For the record, the ONLY player you have ever attacked was a n00b, and you had two other players help you with that to boot.
On the other hand, my list of engagements include the who's who of war fighters. I won't ever be able to say that about you. And that is a FACT.
You have to live with the choices you make in the game. You move up, you moved up end of story. You're not a n00b, you should have known that by now, right?
You wouldn't have ever had to move up the war levels if you hadn't provoked me by spreading lies.
The statement would have been more accurate if you had said, "The only player I(SuperSoldier) have ever attacked was a n00b"
And if you want to help your mate. Help him/her reach your war level and you can help him/her all you want. No need to code some solution to please your every whim. Which is easier? That is the point of your federation right? To help new players grow in the game. Well the opportunity has presented itself. |
| Lord Neptune | Thursday, November 15, 2012 - 02:53 pm
^
Looks like sum one hasn't took there vitamin s |
| SweetPea | Thursday, November 15, 2012 - 02:57 pm
Lord NoobTune, please mind your manners 
I doubt you are really qualified to antagonize me. |
| Kiss_of_Death | Thursday, November 15, 2012 - 04:44 pm
Well I'm sure I'm on Wendyloo's list of Who's Who of Fighters! Yes, boys, you mind your manners or not only will you incur da wrath of Wendy, you have ME to worry about! If nukes won't get ya, my shoes will! Be warned. *laughs evilly |
| SuperSoldierRCP | Thursday, November 15, 2012 - 07:31 pm
My only Q to you wendy is if YOUR so experienced why do you stay @ war level 3 fighting the lower war level players SURELY someone of YOUR skill would benefit so much more from war level 11.
----------On topic of my original post------------
My point does stand. What happens should a it be 2-3 people vs another fed, or 1 country vs and empire. Why shouldn't a fed be allowed to help? Feds do need to teach people how to grow and prosper but at the same time they ALSO need to be able to lend a helping hand when necessary.
Im not saying to change the war levels, leave them as is but if someone is attacked the only time a higher level should fight a lower level is in the defence of a fedmate. Otherwise what would be the point? A few extra airwings is helpful but adds no real punch. |
| Lord Neptune | Thursday, November 15, 2012 - 10:03 pm
I would beg to differ Sweet noob
Watch yourself |
| Lord Neptune | Thursday, November 15, 2012 - 10:06 pm
War levels don't prove your worth in war
Don't get cute on me sweetpea |
| Gaz | Friday, November 16, 2012 - 01:24 am
It's not right you have to sit and watch a fedmate get attacked and can't do a thing about it. |
| SweetPea | Friday, November 16, 2012 - 01:51 am
Get to war level 3 Lord n00btune, I'll make quick work of you and teach you some humility in the process. You won't make a name over here, just a reputation for stupidity.
I welcome your challenge. As a matter of fact, I would have loved for Super and you, and 5 of his best allies to whip up on. I'm a bit rusty but I always enjoy a challenge. |
| SweetPea | Friday, November 16, 2012 - 01:54 am
And Super, I challenged your lies. You ducked, you dodged.
I have said since war levels were introduced they were BS. The only way to get that point across, is to not participate in them. If you want to play chase the ladder, you go right ahead.
It was so-called vets like you that cried for their implementation, now you got what you asked for. |
| SuperSoldierRCP | Friday, November 16, 2012 - 02:18 am
when did i ask for them, infact i opposed them i still do, I think someone didnt take her meds today. Its ill take care of you in your old age. |
| Halo Cyborg | Friday, November 16, 2012 - 02:29 am
Wow, just wow. |
| SweetPea | Friday, November 16, 2012 - 02:38 am
SillySoldier, I could probably pull 10s of quotes on your promoting the subject of war levels using the search function. But why waste the time? We both know the truth.
The issue here is like every other thing that doesn't conform to everything you want, you want the gms to change any and everything.
Is Dubeltar catering to your every desire? I doubt it, and I doubt he'll start. |
| SuperSoldierRCP | Friday, November 16, 2012 - 02:47 am
All i hear was whine whine i'm throwing a tantrum, why don't you get your ba ba and sit in the corner, i'm in a business meeting with people who matter. So ya we need change this whole fed thing |
| SweetPea | Friday, November 16, 2012 - 02:54 am
Super, the issue was discussed several times. It is getting old. You want to be able to help a player at war level 3 fight a level 3 opponent while avoiding declarations from level 3 players.
Explain to us how this logic makes sense? Or not... because it doesn't.
This again, is a clear case of you wanting to fight lesser opponents, outnumber that opponent as well, and shield yourself at the same time using war levels. Typical n99b bashing mentality you have always displayed. You have zero desire to fight any qualified opponent and never will.
You moved up to avoid war deal with it. |
| Orbiter | Friday, November 16, 2012 - 03:28 am
you know, this is one of those times, i can tell you it was great to be the fly on the wall... |
| Lord Neptune | Friday, November 16, 2012 - 10:13 am
Sweetpea is it?
Eat your heart out
U talk a good game
this is going to be fun....
I won't make a name for myself she saids (*pitty*) she knows not who she angers |
| Lord Neptune | Friday, November 16, 2012 - 10:19 am
Stay focus old boy
(*saids to self*) |
| Crafty | Friday, November 16, 2012 - 12:41 pm
Soldier needs to be able to help his fedmate regardless of these war levels. Whoever attacked soldiers fedmate should have thought of that before s/he declared, just like we always have had to. Check you can deal with the whole fed first.
Only a higher level player can attack soldier directly or vice versa. Soldier cannot have a lower level fed member declare on a level 3 just so he can join in hence bypassing the war level rule.
This is how it should be. If you decide to attack someone you should have to remember that you may need to be at war with any fed member regardless of their war level.
SweetPea. I see it as a real issue. I know what you are saying about it but an open discussion about it without individual case analysis might be helpful to the GM and the war game. Respect as always.
Crafty. |
| SweetPea | Friday, November 16, 2012 - 02:35 pm
My point is, it would be much easier, if SuperSoldier would help his mate by sharing the way he too avoided war.
If that player rose to Super's war level, he could help him. Much simpler than trying to code a solution.
It would have been even better if Supersoldier never left his fedmate at that lower level to begin with.
Super was aware of that player's war level when he rose, and he was more than capable of taking him up the war levels with him.
This is a matter of choices in the game. It shouldn't involve new features, new rules, more work for the gms with so much already on the plate.
That is my point here. |
| SweetPea | Friday, November 16, 2012 - 02:38 pm
LordNoobtune.... I don't care who you are, or who you were, you can drop down on whatever planet I am at war level and fight me anytime.
I talk a lot because players like you only do so, and never step up. It is a game, come and see me, please.
Like I said, you Super and the whole lot of you. Come one come all, I need to sharpen my game anyway. |
| Crafty | Friday, November 16, 2012 - 03:14 pm
And my point is I see the suggestion as a refinement of an existing rule, not a new one.
The original WL rule being implemented has brought this situation to light and highlighted its negative impact on federation protection.
It deserves consideration as I'm sure no one had any intention of disabling federation abilities. The idea was to stop the perceived bullying of new players and chasing them off the game.
Like you say Wendy, it's a game of choices, and to ask fed members to remain at the same war level removes a choice from them. Some like Soldier may like the war, others in the same fed may prefer econ.
Why shouldn't they mix? |
| Lord Neptune | Friday, November 16, 2012 - 03:25 pm
it was so much better back then (*sigh*)
ok Sweetpea i will do what u say an come find u since u want it that
way...1..2..3..4..5...6..7...8..9.....10 |
| SweetPea | Friday, November 16, 2012 - 03:27 pm
you're boring me to death. |
| Lord Neptune | Friday, November 16, 2012 - 03:44 pm
U win
i lose |
| Lord Neptune | Friday, November 16, 2012 - 03:57 pm
is that what u think is going to happen
u think cuz u have kingdoms on
all worlds u can just call an say everyone a noob huh?
(+)if only u knew(+) |
| Kiss_of_Death | Friday, November 16, 2012 - 04:31 pm
Nothing wrong with being called a Noob, Nepty. I choose to forever be one. :-) |
| SweetPea | Friday, November 16, 2012 - 04:43 pm
less talk moar war neptune!
all this hot air is making me dizzy |
| SweetPea | Friday, November 16, 2012 - 06:08 pm
CC, circumventing the war levels so Super can declare on lower level presidents makes the entire system null and void.
If the player preferred econ, he/she would have stayed at level 0,1, or 2.
If supersoldier wanted to help his mate, he had two ways of doing it.
a) stay at war level 3.
b) move the player up to level 3
The player is at level 3, so we can assume that he/she did in fact venture to the war game and wasn't purely econ.
Super chose to move to level six to avoid fighting with me at level 3. He made his choice. Now why is it right for him to decide which level 3 players to fight with.
Why can't the two level 3's have a fair fight.
Now super knew the consequences and I am sure he weighed them when he decided to move up. He has demonstrated here that he was very familiar with the concept that if he moved up, he could not support his fedmates directly.
The fact that super did this tells us two things. One Super likes to provoke, but doesn't want to face the consequences of such acts. Super avoids fighting experienced players, and prefers to intervene against an inexperienced one. Even though his fedmate has the benefit of added air defenses, and the experiences of his fedmates like Super.
The fact that Super moved up in the war levels without considering that his fedmates could be directly attacked and may need support, should be a clear indication to that player that he is in the wrong fed anyway, as super was more concerned with himself, and not for the potential circumstances of his mate.
Keep in mind this is the same super that produced so many tactical nukes he decided we should be able to use them on forts. Always self serving requests. This is no different.
All players can move up war levels. There is no prohibitive measure in place that stops this player from using the same means of avoiding war that Supersoldier used so well himself. and if that player moved up to level 6 with Super, he could help him/her all Super wanted to.
Again this is a Super problem, not a game problem. To all feds that feel they are in this position, advance the players you wish to help to your level. The game should be going forward, and that is another means of promoting the fed interaction you guys say is missing so much.
Super just wants to fight a n00b that is attacking his n00b. That doesn't even begin to make sense for the game. You should not be able to hand select which level 3 players you want to face, if you moved up war levels to avoid warring a level 3 player.
Supers mate will learn 2 things. Move to a fed with players who can support him in the event of war. Or advance himself up the levels to where his current fedmates can support him. This is the logical solution. Super made his choice, and now his mate should too.
What is wrong with those two players just having a fair fight anyway? That mob mentality always at work. |
| Crafty | Friday, November 16, 2012 - 07:10 pm
'cause thats the point of feds. Why even have the auto dec clause for feds then?
By moving up to WL6 SS has exposed himself to higher level war players attacks anyway.
Anyway, none of this effects me yet, so I'll say no more. |
| SuperSoldierRCP | Friday, November 16, 2012 - 08:26 pm
My Point being just that crafty.
I know the risks/rewards for moving up the war levels but they limit fed mates abilities to defend each other. Sure they still share air power(which is always helpful) but the main advantage was the ability to have a dozen or more people auto dec the attacker. Im not asking the GM to remove the war levels or to make so massive tweak. Im simply stating that when in a fed, and if the war dec is signed i should be allowed to help my ally. What if several higher war level players got into a fight and a lower war level wanted to help. Should the game tell him "NO you are to noobish to help" or should that be "HIS" choice to help his allies? |
| Orbiter | Friday, November 16, 2012 - 08:31 pm
lol, this i really funny. their not gonna change the WL restrictions for Feds... it would undo about 80% of what WLs have done. in fact, most players would be safer alone, if that was to happen.
mean, they originally where going to let fed wars go through like normal. but they though better of it, probably rightly so... i remember a few evil plans we had, back in the day, to abuse the WL system |
| Crafty | Friday, November 16, 2012 - 09:27 pm
Why were the WLs introduced anyway?
To protect the new and vunerable, right?
Well, that was 'abused' by many a war experienced player when the short term armistice was offered and players reverted to WL 0.
But what would that have to do with fed wars huh? New and vunerable players do not get involved in fed wars. It's only going to effect someone who starts wars with feds. If the defender wants a one to one they only have to ask the fed to stay out. And if it were a fed member of mine who causes the war then my fed would probably be instructed to keep out of it.
Sorry. I was going to shut up but seeing another voice on this made me have to have my last word. |
| Kiss_of_Death | Friday, November 16, 2012 - 09:36 pm
Do you want me to smack Orbiter, Crafty? Nothing would give me greater pleasure. ha ha ha ha
Yup Orbiter had a few evil plans back in the day, cuz he was the "evil one". Well move over, Orbiter, because there is a new kind of evil in Simcountry and it's extremely wicked and it is ME!
Got Drama?
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
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| Orbiter | Friday, November 16, 2012 - 10:14 pm
i could get a handful of WL9+, get a WL3, WL5, WL7, and WL9 in my fed. and just get the little guys to antagonize fights with fed that would be clearly, outmatched.
i'm not sure that sup really needs to be villified over his position. but their are 2 sides to everything. war levels are probably neccessary, for atleast a couple more years, but thats my opinion, and you know what they say about those! |
| Serpent | Friday, November 16, 2012 - 11:00 pm
To further Crafty's point tho... war levels were to protect new players (Although Id argue that there was not many abuses of vets ganging up on newbies anyway, but that's another conversation). Well, they are protected so long as they stay in war level 0,1 and 2. IMO after that, they should have to pay for WP. If war levels are here to stay, and Id agree with Orbiter that they are, then FB is the way they should be on all planets.
Thats my $.02 |
| Kiss_of_Death | Friday, November 16, 2012 - 11:23 pm
I love how Orbiter goes out of his way to purposely ignore my posts. I derive such pleasure in that! ha ha ha ha
He fears me, it is evident. :P As he should... |
| Orbiter | Friday, November 16, 2012 - 11:27 pm
if i say anything to you, you have a panic attack. best just to walk by quickly, and pretend not to notice. |
| Kiss_of_Death | Friday, November 16, 2012 - 11:54 pm
You dun give me panic attacks, Orbiter. You confuse that with gas. ha ha ha ha ha Just be careful when you try to walk by quickly, I might just casually stick my leg out to trip you up. :P And I'll pretend not to notice or giggle when you fall flat. ha ha ha ha
Happy Weekend!!! lol
Smile!!!! :-) |
| Laguna | Saturday, November 17, 2012 - 12:56 am
I came here for the popcorn. |
| SweetPea | Saturday, November 17, 2012 - 02:36 am
The point is, super will conclude quickly as he always does that whatever w3c does to please him will never be enough.
I said when war levels were introduced, it wouldn't stop there. They gave them to you, they gave you blackouts, and still, none of it is enough. When does this end. All this suggestion and manipulation of the GMs to change the game to suit your every desire is one of the most obvious reasons this game has suffered.
Nearly half of the players who cried for war levels quickly disappeared right afterwards. Nearly every returning member that has come back has been sorely displeased with this new version of the game.
I applaud the gms for trying to improve the game based on player input, but this has to be the worst road they have gone down.
Look at the game from 5-6 years ago. Every player here from now and those from then that left after changes would prefer that version of sim over the one we have today. And all the coding and hours put into these changes amounted to a pissed off player base.
The constant requests for change won't stop. Spoon feeding players like super exactly what they want has in turn created an atmosphere of whining until you corner the gms into changing something. I stated that back when this started, and the accuracy of that statement is stunning in hindsight. |
| SweetPea | Saturday, November 17, 2012 - 02:40 am
and to clarify, I am not trying to vilify Super either. I am just pointing out the need to take some responsibility for the choices he made. It really should be that simple. |
| SweetPea | Saturday, November 17, 2012 - 02:44 am
And to your point CC, I find it amusing that the higher war levels are being used to avoid war.
LAGUNAAA! Long time no see. I hope you are steering clear of all those austerity riots |
| SuperSoldierRCP | Saturday, November 17, 2012 - 10:47 am
Wendy its been 3year i mean at this point its kinda obvious, you want the superduper. Im free on the weekends, just saying.
Anyways i agree with serpents post. the worlds should be FB style all the way around. FB should then be dropped to 1-11(pretty much as it was before war levels). Also it they should reset anyone who wishes to go back to war level 0.(who all know who i speak of).
and make me war level 11, im to lazy to do it the right way. |
| SweetPea | Saturday, November 17, 2012 - 05:48 pm
Keep dreaming child. You're free on more than the weekends, and I don't think that comes as a surprise to anyone.
Rejected... |
| Teddy Bear | Saturday, November 17, 2012 - 07:18 pm
Popcorn and backscratchers for sale, all worlds |
| Bumblegus | Sunday, November 18, 2012 - 02:18 am
Okay, in general I'm not big on pvp and have yet to do it on SC. I am trying to figure out what exactly the problem is (as super sees it). Is it that he can't send units into his allies country to fight, or that he can't attack the original aggressor? Because I think he should be able to do the former, but definitely not the later.
@SweetPea~ You really need to not bottle your anger up so much, it'll give you hypertension. You need to let the rage out every once in a while, you know don't be afraid to show some emotion sometime. ;) |
| Orbiter | Sunday, November 18, 2012 - 07:58 am
anyways, wendy, i've been sharpening my chess game, lets go a few rounds! |
| SweetPea | Sunday, November 18, 2012 - 03:53 pm
I've been on a lot lately Josias, perhaps I will logon later this afternoon. I'll have to check with the hubby's football schedule :s
I entered a Fischer Random Chess Variant Tourney and upset a National Master rated 2150. Tied for first place. I was the lowest rated player too at 1308(p) when the tourney started.
You should try the tourney's sometime Josias. |
| Laguna | Monday, November 19, 2012 - 03:36 am
Quote:I hope you are steering clear of all those austerity riots
Can't help it. I'm right next to the Parliament, so I hear it all. Wednesday was a good day to stay home, though.
And welcome back, Wendy. Can't tell you how many times I came to the forum and thought Gosh, I wish Wendy was here. Actually, it was exactly zero. LOL!
I'm just kidding. I did miss you and think so did many here. I kept reading your blog, in case you were wondering. |
| SweetPea | Monday, November 19, 2012 - 06:20 am
I'm experiencing a feeling of talking to the walls when writing there. I keep at it for the affiliate revenue and all, but I find it hard to stay motivated to post on it from time to time.
I'm glad you're on the forum too. It isn't the same without you. I don't know where you got that sense of humor, but /me likes it |
| Lord Neptune | Monday, November 19, 2012 - 12:44 pm
I hate war levels.......... |
