 |
|
|
|
Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - 02:20 am  Alright, we all knew it was coming... Let's hurry up and get it over with before anybody has a chance to really listen to the issues and cast an educated vote (as if...) Romney +1
| |
| Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - 02:26 am Obama +1
| |
| Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - 02:26 am Well I'm very informed if you want a real discussion Obama +1
| |
| Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - 02:27 am Romney +1
| |
| Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - 02:58 am Well, I think both candidates suck. They should vote for me to become president. You will see all Americas problems go away. America is to nice. America sent millions of dollars worth of suppiles to Japan when they gad the earthquake. But who helped us during Hurricane Katrina is 2005? Noone. Then we wonder why we have no money. America is done. It had better days and its not looking like we are going to have those days for awhile. Obama is so Anti-war but yet, Obama wants to start a World War with Iran. Iran isnt doing nothing. America is helping our "ally" Israel. Israel ( just like America ) has a big mouth. The difference is, we can defend oursleves but Israel on the other hand expects America to defend them. Sadly, we are. I think we should just isolate from everyone. This way we have less wars and more time to fix our economy (which is very simple)
| |
| Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - 03:32 am Lets all bind them together and become communist. Problem solved (i know everyone disagrees). But the presidents still needs to give some sort of freedom to the communist and being looked after to the citizens. Also, remove extremists and muslim problems out of the way. I'm sure all of you clearly know that muslim world is causing such huge problems to the economy.
| |
| Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - 04:24 am Its not the muslims. Just like Drew said awhile back, the US goverment is behind the 9/11 attacks. But i rather not get into this subject again lol. Israel is full of terrorists and Anti-American. One Israeli newspaper suggested the Israeli government to assassinate President Obama. Honestly, i dont like Obama. Yeah he might of got us out of Iraq but hes going to get us into a World War. And this WILL be Americas last World War. Its basically NATO-Saudi Arabia-Israel Vs. everone else. China first of all can whoop Americas butt any day. But also Russia is going to be teamed with Iran and China. Russia is a nuclear power and already made it a point that if America declares war on Iran that Russia WILL nuke America. So yeah WW3 is going to be our last
| |
| Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - 04:43 am (Warning) You are about to experience a heart to heart forum moment --------------------------------------------------------- You know what needs to happen. Both parties need to shut up and work together. Old men make war, young men die in them. This is true both in a nation(politics of party's) and in countries agendas(global dominance). I think the best of both party's should become each others vice presidents. Obama wins Romney is Vice President Romney wins Obama is Vice President ---What would happen?--- Even though they have difference views the pres is still the pres but then you would have party's who would be FORCED to work together. Politicians and ruined us for to long. Look at where the world is now. If i was president id ask for international cooperation in a United Planetary space program. 50years ago Russia spent a probe into space Years later the US was on the moon. Later international space station/Telescopes where made. In the 20years we have had those 2 items we have learned EASILY 100FOLD what we learned in over 5K years. Mathematics/Science went from basic to formulas beyond most cant comprehend. If i was president id ask the following. All nations donate there best minds/what ever assets they can spare. To build one massive NASA program on an island in the Pacific(island in hawaii or something). Towers/Lunch pads/Cities. Think about it we all work together for the simple goal...A man on mars by 2030. 17years for us to get are acts together. What would happen? Children would want to become scientists, all over the world countries pour money into education which helps ALL GENERATIONS now and well into the future. Tech jobs would grow to support the space industry. Lets say we make it to mars? We begin colonization from there we move to other planets/moons maybe further past the SOL system. OR We cant but then we keep trying all those kids educated become doctors/scientists. They save the environment, help human rights, Bring all people to one standard of living. A man success in life isn't judged by his actions. But instead judged by how he was born and how he died. The difference in his life will judge how he acted and how others will follow.
| |
| Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - 05:33 am Ron Paul was your only hope
| |
| Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - 05:40 am Hegelian dialectic
| |
| Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - 05:51 am Why dont we have all out war and be done with. Oh i also forgot to mention Christians are also causing a heck alot of trouble with polictics and economy reasons. Aussies is backed with U.S so naturally we're all dead. Peace out. (Not the sick peace crap thing like Michael Jackson sign, very sick) The good peace, so peace out. Bring on the war, we're ready to die!!!
| |
| Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - 06:05 am Romney +1 Obama +2 Replace the entire Congress of the United States...PRICELESS
| |
| Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - 10:11 am Sarah Palin +1
| |
| Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - 10:38 am Obama +1 Mitty isn't that bright IMO.
| |
| Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - 05:23 pm Jeez, Super!!!! Way too long for me to read. Sum it up in 10 words or less. Giggles Just teasing.
| |
| Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - 06:34 pm Obama ++++++1
| |
| Wednesday, August 29, 2012 - 12:08 am ++++++++1 for Romney!!! Can I vote twice??? lol
| |
| Wednesday, August 29, 2012 - 12:51 am I think the scores Obama-4 Romney-2
| |
| Wednesday, August 29, 2012 - 02:52 am obama +1
| |
| Wednesday, August 29, 2012 - 03:02 am 5 to 2
| |
| Wednesday, August 29, 2012 - 03:08 am "If i was president id ask the following. All nations donate there best minds/what ever assets they can spare. To build one massive NASA program on an island in the Pacific(island in hawaii or something). Towers/Lunch pads/Cities." Mmmm... Lunch pads! I'm sold! SuperSoldier for Prez.
| |
| Wednesday, August 29, 2012 - 06:30 am Fidel Castro +1... bout the same difference... Georgia should just Secede again... along with the rest of the south xD cause when things aint workin' out! drop S*!& and run
| |
| Wednesday, August 29, 2012 - 06:34 am And Btw Xbox Israel and hoping for nothin... The Israeli army are the baddest badasses out there. they aint got NOTHING to worry bout sept for the size of the country itself... makes it Nuke bait. but Iran would piss off every country in the Mid east and alot of people outside it if Jerusalem became a wasteland... Holy City to 3 of the worlds largest religions 2 of those being the Largest period... Not smart.
| |
| Wednesday, August 29, 2012 - 08:07 am VOTE FOR ME I MENT *LUANCH* but LUNCH works to FREE FOOD FOR EVERYONE!!!!! limit of $15USD per person per visit maximum visits 2 per year
| |
| Wednesday, August 29, 2012 - 11:37 am SS, get yourself a spell checker will ya?!
| |
| Wednesday, August 29, 2012 - 02:44 pm Romney +1
| |
| Wednesday, August 29, 2012 - 04:48 pm Can't I vote for Commander Cuckoo-Bananas?
| |
| Wednesday, August 29, 2012 - 08:40 pm If I can I'd like to change my vote, to an anti-vote against Romney. You can't fix the economy by cutting funding to it
| |
| Wednesday, August 29, 2012 - 08:42 pm That's why Super Soldier is wrong. 1 party is completely wrong and evil, and is exploiting the people, the otherside is just irresponsible. Ron Paul was a racsist nutjob
| |
| Thursday, August 30, 2012 - 04:02 am Obama +1
| |
| Thursday, August 30, 2012 - 04:04 am Obama +1
| |
| Thursday, August 30, 2012 - 04:27 am Xbox the US did receive help from MANY countries, the first being Cuba, which was assholy rejected, well, its the American's loss, donations, tents, medicine, all rejected... (You Americans need to really think about that ridiculous embargo... its childish, I don't think I see any European country doing something like that). Over 90 countries responded and sent aid, by sending money or tents. So get your facts right... Germany sent pumps to drain New Orleans, which would have taken longer if we didn't send any pumps at all, we sent food, hospitals and more. Several thousand food units were rejected because it didn't "qualify", well again: Your loss... So yeah Xbox we did help your country and like 96 countries did the same. I bet nearly half was rejected because of your exaggerated policies. Life is Life, save it, don't put your policies in front of your people, it kills them.
| |
| Thursday, August 30, 2012 - 04:42 am How is Ron Paul Racist exactly? only thing ive time i ever heard of him saying something i wasnt Racist It was Nationalist (Southern Nationalist that is) and that was when he said that (and im Paraphrasing) "Texas should build a fence on the river... the Red River meaning to keep the yanks out of here." Never heard anyone call him Racist tho. and I agree with SW Americas got way too much of a big head to et anything REALLy done
| |
| Thursday, August 30, 2012 - 01:42 pm Actually, I vote for Vermin Supreme. Look him up on Youtube. The greatest American alive.
| |
| Thursday, August 30, 2012 - 05:22 pm I like Ron Paul. lol
| |
| Thursday, August 30, 2012 - 06:18 pm your all idiots screw obama and screw Romney and screw the politicians we need some anarchy.......toughen people up.
| |
| Thursday, August 30, 2012 - 08:53 pm Alex, be careful of calling me an idiot.... i have a shoe wif your name on it!!! ha ha ha ha :P
| |
| Saturday, September 1, 2012 - 12:50 am After watching the Republican thinngy on tv the past couple of nights, I like that guy who's family immigrated from Cuba. I'd like him to be our next president! My ONLY concern about Romney is he has too perfect of hair. That's always a sign to me. I want a prez who has tousled hair or even bald! Still NO to OBAMA.... he bit the big one these last 4 years. +1 Romney/Paul
| |
| Saturday, September 1, 2012 - 01:41 am Interesting that the Republican candidate for Vice-President blatantly lied during his speech. He said that a car factory in Wisconsin closed due to Barack Obama's handling of the economy, yet as Stephen Colbert reported last night, the car factory he was referring to was actually closed during the Bush administration. What an absolute disgrace.
| |
| Saturday, September 1, 2012 - 01:52 am For everyone's amusement: The truths, the lies and the misleading from Ryan - http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/08/30/the-true-the-false-and-the-misleading-grading-paul-ryans-convention-speech/ I like this one in particular:
| |
| Saturday, September 1, 2012 - 01:58 am they are the best america has to offer complete idiots and fat liars
| |
| Saturday, September 1, 2012 - 03:49 am isolation? 9/11 was the government? wowwww. i'm seeing a lot of ignorance up in here...
| |
| Saturday, September 1, 2012 - 04:21 am Romney's spokesperson: "we won't let fact checkers dictate our campaign"...makes a lot of sense
| |
| Saturday, September 1, 2012 - 06:42 am American politics, give me a break. You realy think the "President" rules the roost. lol, it's whatever is in there best interest thats gonna be president, and when i mean "THERE" its the puppeteers that countrol your country, gonna be the same old same old and blame on the past or current president. ya all stupid?
| |
| Saturday, September 1, 2012 - 07:17 am LMAO!!!!To those who think "China" can whoop are a$$! You are naive, and to those who think being president is an easy position, you are also naive..LMAO. If any of you have kids and have a hard enough time pleasing them. Try please a few million. Everyone here can help America out. Boycott imported goods. Say Eph u to "Walmart" who is the number one supplier of cheap foreign goods. Actually "VOTE", before you itch and complain. My god and "Putter" you hit the nail on the head...this one is for you
| |
| Saturday, September 1, 2012 - 07:28 am i bet its not being easy being elected president, not saying that, what im saying is there is not just one person making these decisions, its gonna take a few people, presidents job is to just nod and agree, and the same people are NOT elected, but they pass from your elected president to the next. So go and vote, only thing realy you can vote for is the best spokesperson for your country, the decisions realy are not up to them. good luck voting for your puppet  Also, China owns your debt, so boycoting them,um, not such a good idea.
| |
| Saturday, September 1, 2012 - 07:54 am America spends more money on its military than the next 26 countries combined, 25 of which are friendly.
| |
| Saturday, September 1, 2012 - 10:08 am Interesting, Tom, that you are using the Colbert Report as a fact checking source..... Next, lets check Jersey Shore for some keen, geopolitical insights into how the GOP (or whatever) is so much PHAIL... Say what you want about America and our spending, but without the U.S. and Crocodile Dundee, Australia is just a bunch of boomerangs, kangaroos, and didgeridoos. Oh, I'm sure YOU think you are important and special... and we'll keep pretending you are... but, when it comes down to it, your absolute, ENTIRE existence as a "free" and "sovereign" nation relies upon the U.S., Europe, India, and whatever other allies decides that you're strategic positioning in the Pacific is important enough to defend. In the grand design, you (Australia) are merely PART of America's (and maybe Europe's) welfare and/or defense system, and nothing more... Seriously... what, other than criticism and unique accents, does Australia export? What value do you (Australia) add to the universe other than to deride a people/place/thing, far more significant than you? It's easy to hide within your own irrelevant country and publish your anti-"xxxxxx" (American) sentiment. I'm sure it makes you feel morally and intellectually superior. Similarly, it's as easy to say what's written here, in respect to your heritage, without any sort of insight or humility.
| |
| Saturday, September 1, 2012 - 10:46 am I like Putters thoughts. And I have never seen such blatant stage managed sympathy grabbing false rubbish and nonsense as Romneys wife saying how he 'sat by her bedside, tenderly kissed her cheek and had a tear in his eye...' (paraphrased). God, that was sicker than X factor, Oprah and pure puke mixed together. And then he goes on to mock Obamas statements about climate change et al, 'me, I'll worry about you and your family...'. Shows what sort of speech writers and puppet masters are behind him. For the sake of humanity, avoid this magic underpant believing, polygamist, Jesus is coming to Missourri believing bigot.
| |
| Saturday, September 1, 2012 - 04:10 pm Paul Ryan's acceptance speech was wonderful. Left-leaners understandably can't just endorse it, so they must construct some kind of criticism, and of course they'll come up with something, as nothing is beyond criticism. The best the professionals could come up with was a few things Ryan said in simple language when referring to events that were somewhat more complicated. At first they called them "lies", then backed off when confronted with facts and are now calling most of them "misleading". Then people muddy things up further when relaying the professionals' spin. Tom Morgan claims that Ryan "said that a car factory in Wisconsin closed due to Barack Obama's handling of the economy", yet Ryan didn't say that. If you didn't see the speech yourself, read the transcript. The real-life facts are complicated (GM officially closed the plant before Obama even took office, but the plant was still in operation well after Obama took office; Obama's promise was conditional and subject to some interpretation). However, what Ryan said was literally true, and the spirit of his claim, that this was an example of Obama not delivering on his promises, is also true. Laguna's article is full of this stuff. For example, Ryan said, when talking about Obama's failure to address debt, "He created a bipartisan debt commission. They came back with an urgent report. He thanked them, sent them on their way, and then did exactly nothing." It's all true in technicality, and it's true in the way it supports the big idea that Obama hasn't done anything to correct the spiraling debt, but has exacerbated it. Laguna's article claims that there was no report. But there was a report, here, though it wasn't approved by the supermajority needed to bring it up on the floor of the House. And Ryan was on the committee, and did oppose the final report even though he contributed a lot to it, because of irreconcilable differences in key areas. Then he came up with his own long-term budget proposal and shepherded it through the House. Is he really supposed to say all that in a speech? Again, Ryan's speech was wonderful, and the worst criticism is to infer things he didn't say and show how your inferences aren't completely straightforward.
| |
| Sunday, September 2, 2012 - 12:03 am I miss Wendy.
| |
| Sunday, September 2, 2012 - 03:55 am That's misleading.
| |
| Sunday, September 2, 2012 - 04:51 am " Interesting, Tom, that you are using the Colbert Report as a fact checking source..... Next, lets check Jersey Shore for some keen, geopolitical insights into how the GOP (or whatever) is so much PHAIL... The Colbert Report is a mock news-programme, which actually contains more factual content than FAUX NEWS (your favourite station, am I right?). "Say what you want about America and our spending, but without the U.S. and Crocodile Dundee, Australia is just a bunch of boomerangs, kangaroos, and didgeridoos. Oh, I'm sure YOU think you are important and special... and we'll keep pretending you are... but, when it comes down to it, your absolute, ENTIRE existence as a "free" and "sovereign" nation relies upon the U.S., Europe, India, and whatever other allies decides that you're strategic positioning in the Pacific is important enough to defend. In the grand design, you (Australia) are merely PART of America's (and maybe Europe's) welfare and/or defense system, and nothing more... Seriously... what, other than criticism and unique accents, does Australia export? What value do you (Australia) add to the universe other than to deride a people/place/thing, far more significant than you? It's easy to hide within your own irrelevant country and publish your anti-"xxxxxx" (American) sentiment. I'm sure it makes you feel morally and intellectually superior. Similarly, it's as easy to say what's written here, in respect to your heritage, without any sort of insight or humility." So why is the United States trying so hard to keep Australia from developing closer defensive ties with China? If we're so irrelevent, why is the US wanting to base marines in Darwin? Border C, you have outlined why many people around the world have anti-American sentiments. Your country is so god-damned arrogant and self-righteous in its attitude, always meddling in other people's affairs and so backward in political beliefs that others find it hard to tolerate. I'm not an anti-American, but I'd prefer if they'd stop acting like the sun shines outta their arse, because America is not the greatest country in the world. My earlier comment was not a heartless attack on America, but the fact that you responded so angrily to it paints a pretty complete picture. When did I bring Australia into this? I was observing the US Election, and the fact that I criticised the GOP seems to have rattled you. Nowhere on this thread did I say "Australia is better", although if you look at the statistics, we are better. Sorry if you Republicans can't handle the truth . So, next time, rather than attacking another person's country, why don't you add constructively to the conversation, rather than just fire off little stupid rants. You are a pathetic, delusional human being. I look forward to your response.
| |
| Sunday, September 2, 2012 - 06:37 am Stupid madden 13, I missed so much lol Has anyone else read Ryan's 100 page path to prosperity? Yeah this is a no brainer. Ron Paul: Said that he was against the civil war, and pro sanctions to lessen the level of slavery. He also stated something about how Martin Luther King incited unneccessary riots. I'm a little too young to remember his twisted 90's rants. But eh... it sounds kind of racsist. But the biggest reasons he's a nut job, is his belief that the economy shouldn't be based on productivity but some stupid metal found in the ground. Also that he believes those losers in the state government are one's that can do what's best for the country, despite the fact that states continously attack each economically without restraint. Obama: I really don't like the dude, or many democrats for that matter. But the president is really untested. Lorelei not blaming you, but this is why democracy doesn't work, because most people are disenfranchised. Ignorant voting is dangerous. Not calling you ignorant merely that all people can't be expected to know all issues and that is very important when voting. But I said Obama is untested because he is. The beginning of his term he sought out bipartisan solutions despite house and senate majority. When that disapeared in 10 that went away when the republicans held all issues hostage and demanded counterproductive tradeoffs. Such as Payroll tax can go through if Bush's tax cuts are extended. etc etc. The fact is that Obama can't do anything in his current administration that isn't shifted and changed to the will of the republicans. Ryan and Romney: I can rant tons about this. But I'll make it simple. Romney and Ryan are both fake politicans they only are in politics to increase their own personal wealth. No consideration for the impact of the rest of everyone. Marco Rubio: Would have been a very dangerous VP choice. Rubio is one of the few Repugnants that do not neccesarily vote strictly on party lines. However anyone who believes that lowering taxes for the rich to spur job growth has no place in leadership. Spell Checker: Me no care et all bouts crazy brirish ramblings? PunkyouAsion and gram her R just ways 4 us 2 under stand wut each utter our tryyng too say? As long as we understand what each other are trying to say what is the harm. (not a question mark, just in case you missed the last error)
| |
| Sunday, September 2, 2012 - 11:32 am I shouldn't worry about it all anyway. Who ever wins this American pop idol show is controlled by the Illuminati.
| |
| Sunday, September 2, 2012 - 12:53 pm Being against the Civil War makes you a racist?? You're a racist.
| |
| Sunday, September 2, 2012 - 02:41 pm Tom Morgan not all Americans are so ignorant and arrogant and i apoligize for those who are.
| |
| Sunday, September 2, 2012 - 03:03 pm @ Crafty: and the Tri-Lateralists, too, don't forget.
| |
| Sunday, September 2, 2012 - 07:40 pm @ Drew. Your attacking most Southern views. You forget that Southerners see themselves as Citizens of their state, then as Southerners then as Americans last... and a lot of us don't even consider ourselves the last one. I didnt say i agreed with his economical thing about the economy being based on a metlal. The States should have more control than the damn Feds. thats what started the damn war-between-the-states. There wasnt anything Civil about it. two Seperate countries and two seperate nations and cultures fighting is not a "Civil-War" Slavery was not an MAJOR Issue in the war until the Emancipation. and even then it Just Pissed off the north bc they didnt want to fight a war to save the African-Americans... Or Have you never heard of the Draft Riots? And in the South it pissed people off bc Lincoln was trying to Undermine our independent state. same thing if Britain tried to pass a law in the US today. Being Against the "Civil-War" is not saying you are against freeing slaves. Its saying your Against the fact that the conflict should have never happened, and the US should have just let us go and gave us Sumter.The South was just in its bombardment of the place but it should have never happened. Also to say the war was over slavery is ignorance... The Emancipation was a political propaganda peice of paper not worth the ink used to right it bc IT HAD NO POWER. If the Yanks had truly cared about the slaves after the 13th amendment they would have enforced it during the Reconstruction but they didnt. Slavery phased itself out in the south and didnt end till 1919 when John Deer replaced 100 slaves with one tractor and slaves became the more expensive option. I'm not saying the South is free from Sin, our history is marred with many many evils. But our accomplishments, the Good we did to advance society kind of take the back seat bc Being from the South and being proud of your home and your culture and nation makes you a racist. Flying the Confederate Battle flag or National flag makes you a racist. so you should be ashamed to be southern and your trash bc you are. I find it so funny how we're the ones with stereotypes but if we are proud of who we are we all hate other races, and we're all hicks and Rednecks. Did you know the Confederate States Outlawed the slave trade in its Constitution? BEFORE THE US??? No i bet you didn't bc they wont teach you that in Highschool. A slave ship never came to america flying a Southern flag. I apologize for getting so worked up and I really don't want to change the course of this thread. But I'm tired of the sh*t we all get because of the Idiots in the KKK, and the Neo-Nazis flying our flag tearing up our name even further.And all other groups that whine like a sick puppy about crap that don't matter. Once again i Apologize and no i dont necesarily agree with Ron Paul but to be honest I dont agree with a single one of the others either. Everyone in washington is an Idiot and we're idiots for letting them in there... And i'm not saying you were attacking the south i dont believe that was your Intentions, but Its really hard for me not to get worked up on that. Having studied history in Detail over my entire life. The Misconceptions of my homes struggle for independence really just gets under my skin. once again sorry lol
| |
| Monday, September 3, 2012 - 12:35 am how many people watch the daily show and/or the colbert report
| |
| Monday, September 3, 2012 - 02:35 am luke you seem like a smart guy who grew up in a sad isolated politically backward nostalgic and depressed community still holding on to their illusions of grandeur related to the civil war you do bring up some good points and facts BUT the fact is America is a different country then 200 years ago and if you think another civil war is plausible or a succession of the south is plausible then you are completely wrong many in the south recognize this as we are a more integrated country then ever before i used to watch the colbert report i thought it was funny but i stopped watching it because TV takes alot of time and id rather watch jersey shore Border C dont insult Australia they export Ugs Tom how do you jugde the greatest country in the world by statistics o.O?????? i think not you cant objectively say your country is the greatest and trying to is foolish i think America is the greatest country in the world because its my country patriotism has many different meanings for different countrys and cultures but it all comes down to regarding your country as the greatest regardless of any stat and im not going to fault anyone for that outlook regardless of their place of birth America is popularly regarded as the greatest country on earth because of extreme forms of idealism albiet bordering on delusion large ammounts of freedoms clearly gauranteed the idea instilled into anyone foriegners or domesticated that you can succeed there are definitely other places i would rather live places with better education,less obviously stupid people,a more pragmatic outlook,less extremists, perhaps a better sense of community, a society that places emphasis on education intelligence moderation and honesty but america is still my country and thats why its the greatest country and im sure you feel the same but im not going to use "statistics"
| |
| Monday, September 3, 2012 - 02:40 am oh i watched Clint Eastwood at the convention and i figured just the fact that he was there summed up the convention a bunch of idiocy a bunch of satirical yet idiotic skits that got people clapping yet didnt actually encourage any discussion on what the fuck we are going to do to fix the damn country bunch of non sense why was Clint Eastwood there hes a fucking actor what does he know about politics just shows how superfcial people are they see clint eastwood a cool guy making some jokes and they figure what "eh republicans are cool guess ill vote for them" im disgusted by that load of garbage i dont even want to see the democrat convention probably just as bad i dont even want to vote
| |
| Monday, September 3, 2012 - 02:42 am not that discussion would help we've all heard the arguments bunch of partisan bullshit noone uses there heads o well i wonder how future generations of amreicans will look at us....doubt theyll think much of it as long as they have theyre jersey shore
| |
| Monday, September 3, 2012 - 02:46 am just the thought of watching fat idiotic fucks clapping for Romney or pretty much any other politician makes me mad sorry bout my ranting
| |
| Monday, September 3, 2012 - 03:30 am I don't remember implying all of that. But I do know that waiting for the tractors to come to replace slaves is pretty rascist. Now here's the thing you can have your values and I can have mine. There are things you view as moral and I can have completely different views. So I tend to stick to facts and leave values out of the equation (at least I try to, I tend to be a very opinionated). The civil war was brought up socio-economical differences. When the North no longer needed slaves they saw it as wrong. But the south spent good money on them. I understand the south's position, but in todays times you can't say those things. We KNOW in today's times that people of African desent can be as productive, intellegence, attractive, etc as the other races. Only when they are viewed as inferior does the original southern rebellion hold any ground. NOW IT DOESN'T! YOU SAY THE BLACKS DIDN'T NEED TO BE FREED AT THAT TIME, YOU'RE A RACSIST! Anyways my main criticisms in the republican and libertarian partties lie with their mismanagement of finances, attacks on liberties, and the will to give more power to the state. Not on things they cannot control anyways. Shallom, The Daily Show and Colbert Report are the best way to get the most accurate broadcasted news. I say broadcasted though, as you will never be informed enough by them alone. So I occassionally watch it, but in my personal opinion Colbert's quality of show and information has been consistantly declining.
| |
| Monday, September 3, 2012 - 05:08 am Actually European countries are far more liberal than the US. Germany has a legal drinking age of 16 and older (spirits till you get to age 18) and the US gives you alcohol until the Age of 21, but sends you to kill and get killed at the age of 18, how stupid.
| |
| Monday, September 3, 2012 - 05:31 am funny how republicans spend there says ranting to get the government off your back yet they want to push all there moral obsolete and christian values upon you libertarians are the true republicans....and dont hang me drew libertarians are good guys they want education roads and corporate regulation just like everyone else but theyre also intent on stopping all the bad/stupid things the government does including certain subsidys, war on drugs, stupid drinking age when you look at the government the waste extraordinary ammounts of money on retarded programs
| |
| Monday, September 3, 2012 - 05:34 am honestly the only social program that people need are education and free guns
| |
| Monday, September 3, 2012 - 05:36 am Once again Drew. I wasn't trying to say you did imply anything. But From My experiences you have to understand that when it does get brought up it tends to last wayyy too long people get insulted and noone walks away a winner, so i was trying to Rule out anything that you might could accuse me of (Not Saying you Would) to extend that portion of the debate. just from past experiences i tend to try and avoid that debate online. And to Stolin. I was not Raised in a politically backwards community. and i do not hope for a new civil war. Yes The US is different And Minus the Largest of Southern Cities Southern Culture is still different than any other place in the US and not the same as the North or West. Is Seccession Plausible... Probably not without all of the Southern States doing it at once which is Extremely unlikely (Though becoming slightly more Likely with growing Disdain for Washington in all states) Do I think the slaves should have been free. yes. do i think Blacks are equal to whites in ability and potential. yes. Do i believe waiting on a tractor is Racist? only 20% more or less owned slaves to begin with that number decreased after the war gradually. Documentation also shows a (very) Small percent of slave owners Pre war were Black themselves. But that being said. The South is not without sins but neither is the north. or west. or any other nation on God's earth. And i never once said I wanted the south seperate. Though Admitedly i get so frustrated sometimes i think we'd be better off by ourselves. I Am Damn proud we stood our ground. and I'm Damn proud of where i come from. and the more i See the Feds grow in power and screw themselves with that power the MORE proud i get of that. And ya'll can say A Weaker Central government would fail economically because of Failure to regulate... But Look around you Because a Strong Federal Government is SO just and working SO well. There needs to be Balance. Not a Federal not Con-Federal but somewhere inbetween. bc what the US has Now will crumble just like Rome. Nice and Slow and HARD. and America will become a group of Backward 3rd world countries. Just Like Europe in the Dark Ages.
| |
| Monday, September 3, 2012 - 05:43 am All Continents have went through it except this one.. and Antartica (But the Ice might have something to do with that im guessing) And History Doesnt care about technology or how great you think you are. Itll repeat itself a pound the lesson into peoples heads until they get off their high horses and learn.
| |
| Monday, September 3, 2012 - 06:03 am Yes Alex I know the libertarians are better than the republicans. That's not saying much though. In fact they are a close second to democrats. Also not saying much. In fact the only issue I have is their desired dependency on the free market. That is a problem. And Luke I'm sorry I fused you and a bunch of peoples comments together, and I think it read a little funny for me. I'm glad your not rascist, the only reason the civil war was brought up in the first place was to answer a question on why Ron Paul is a rascist. So you can be proud of your culture and you have mentioned nothing I'd disagree with except the power of the fed. I'd agree it is done incorrectly, and should be under an extensive audititory process conducted by an outside source. (outside= someone who has nothing to gain or lose based on changing policies, not meant to mean foreign). I sometimes agree the North <b>might</b> be better off if the South succeeds. This conversation has gotten weird. It's not even about issues. I'm not even sure what it is about anymore.
| |
| Monday, September 3, 2012 - 06:08 am Since this is the case I issue a challenge to all Romney voters. Go to Whitehouse.gov go to the budget and eliminate the deficit with just spending cuts. If you can tell me how because the sum of all government spending doesn't do it. Then tell me whether you believe cutting the top marginal tax rate down to 25% is a good idea. Then tell me if lowering capital gains tax rate down to 10% only to be paid if income exceeds ~360k$ is a good idea. I'll be waiting patiently for this impossible response.
| |
| Monday, September 3, 2012 - 06:50 am lol sounds fun
| |
| Monday, September 3, 2012 - 03:58 pm A burger tax should do the trick.
| |
| Monday, September 3, 2012 - 08:17 pm Mr. Drew, you're against Republicans, and Republicans freed the slaves, therefore you're racist. If that gets you thinking, then maybe you could think of some good reasons why someone might be against the Civil War having been fought, that have nothing to do with racism.
| |
| Monday, September 3, 2012 - 08:24 pm OKAY enough with the War people!! The only reason i mentioned all that stuff was to try to end a bunch of Accusations that mightve happened before they happened!! the War is not whats on trial here. And Drew, Sorry for any misunderstanding on my end or caused on your end. in my attempt to shut it down I sorta pushed it further it seems lol
| |
| Monday, September 3, 2012 - 08:26 pm And @ Crafty not sure if youll get this joke or not but Nice "pair of Kinky Boots" you have there :P xD
| |
| Monday, September 3, 2012 - 09:26 pm Well some warmonger called Ron Paul a racist because he's against wars, including the Civil War. A few people try to get to the root of problems and fix things and they get labeled racist, and for the stupidest reasons.
| |
| Monday, September 3, 2012 - 09:27 pm burger tax???? You implying we fat again????
| |
| Monday, September 3, 2012 - 09:51 pm lol crafty a burger tax indeed Jojo's your an idiot not being a republican doesn't make you racist you myopic fool in fact the democratic and republican party's have switches sides in the last 200 years Republicans are now the more right wing rather then the democrats
| |
| Monday, September 3, 2012 - 09:55 pm Jojo, the repubican party of the 1800's is not the current republican party, that's just nonsense. As far as extending the simple rights and liberties to all Americans is a neccessity. Waiting for the process to happen naturally is the issue. I recognize fault on the timing of the northern states but you cannot defend the injustice of slavery. period dot end of story. Jojo my issues with Ron Paul isn't that he's a rascist I believe any and all social issues will eventually sort themselves out as the will of the people. So the reason I'd vote for someone over another are the real issues at hand. I like the idea of increased nationalism with Ron Paul, and I like the social politics involved in the libertarian party. But money backed by gold and the desire to lower taxes, and 0 out corporate taxes, and give more power to the states is my real problem. If this issue gets brought back up again, I will come with quotes, ok? I'm not going to retract him being a rascist but it really it puts it out there when the issue keeps coming up doesn't it. So Jojo you seem pretty defensive, I take it you have the answers to my questions? cuz me thinks you don't
| |
| Monday, September 3, 2012 - 10:46 pm Tom, Skimmed your reply. Bored me. Nothing to which I feel the need to respond. My initial post says it all.
| |
| Monday, September 3, 2012 - 11:03 pm Who's trying to defend the injustice of slavery?? The issue, Drew, is that you're calling someone a racist because they wish we hadn't fought a Civil War with horrific costs, first and foremost over 600,000 people killed. Are you in favor of our country going to war today against countries that currently have slavery and forced labor? How millions of people would you kill, and how many billions of dollars would you spend? But if you're not in favor of doing so, that makes you racist and sexist by your logic.
| |
| Tuesday, September 4, 2012 - 03:40 am NO! I'm against my own country allowing racial or discriminatory acts. Other countries are none of our countries business, that doesn't mean I don't despise their actions. When did I ever say we should go to war?! â€Given the inefficiencies of what DC laughingly calls the criminal justice system, I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal. These aren’t my figures, that is the assumption you can gather from†the report.†“Contrary to the claims of the supporters of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the sponsors of H.Res. 676, the Civil Rights Act of 1964 did not improve race relations or enhance freedom. Instead, the forced integration dictated by the Civil Rights Act of 1964 increased racial tensions while diminishing individual liberty.†“I wouldn’t vote against getting rid of the Jim Crow laws.†have sensible political opinions, i.e. support the free market, individual liberty and the end of welfare and affirmative action.†“There is no such thing as a hate crime.†“It is human nature that like attracts likes. But whites are not allowed to express this same human impulse. Except in a de facto sense, there can be no white schools, white clubs, or white neighborhoods. The political system demands white integration, while allowing black segregation.†Now to be fair when Dr. Paul referenced the civil war quote he brought up the 600,000 deaths. If the civil war never happened however how many african americans would have been subjected to slavery? Related question, how many countries followed suit when we abolished slavery? (I know we weren't the first) SO STOP CALLING ME A RACIST!!!! I call him a rascist because he is a rascist, you call me a rascist because you're a dick. So stfu and stay on topic you dousche!
| |
| Tuesday, September 4, 2012 - 03:44 am BUT AS I SAID SOCIAL ISSUES WILL CORRECT THEMSELVES NO MATTER WHO RUNS THE OVAL OFFICE. SO I DON'T CARE ABOUT RON PAUL BEING A RASCIST STAY ON TOPIC
| |
| Tuesday, September 4, 2012 - 06:07 am It's the same issue now as then, except other countries instead of other states. Is it none of your business, or is it your business, if other people's laws and actions are morally repugnant? So if you don't think we should go kill people to end oppressions in other countries today, don't be so quick to condemn someone who doesn't think we should have done it 160 years ago. As for Ron Paul's newsletters from the early 90's, yeah, that's a pretty bad attitude he had. He approved that stuff, even though he didn't write it, and I think he's rightfully pretty embarrassed about it today and has been for a long time. I like that he's skeptical about conventional wisdom on a lot of issues, but he's also not been skeptical enough of anti-mainstream viewpoints like racist and conspiracy theories. So what's the topic? You're going to start calling out politicians who talk like that today as racists? Or if you agree with them on other issues then it's okay for them to talk like that a little?
| |
| Tuesday, September 4, 2012 - 03:01 pm @ Drew: Re: the civil War remark: His quote was taken out of context. What he was saying, is that it would have been better to have been able to resolve the situation without engaging in a fratricidal conflict which killed and maimed a sizable chunk of the entire U.S. population, and destroyed the South for generations. you might also check out The Onion as a news source, if you feel that colbert is fair and accurate.
| |
| Tuesday, September 4, 2012 - 03:48 pm Look, I'll end the debate right now. It's Romney all the way or I'll beam you all wif shoes over and over and over and over again! lol :P Furthermore, if Obama wins a second term, someone better make room for me to move to their home in their country...... Tom in Australia? Crafty in da UK? Bobo in Canada or Homer whereever he is!!! Now do y'all want me movin' in wif ya??? Better start supporting Romney now! ha ha ha ha
| |
| Tuesday, September 4, 2012 - 07:06 pm <-----I blame this guy for drews pain right now lol sorry bro... BTW racist doesn't have a 'sc' wouldnt have said anything but you constantly made that same mistake not hating on your spelling just trying to improve your communication so dont jump on meh lol
| |
| Tuesday, September 4, 2012 - 08:16 pm The south suceeded from the union, if China offered Alabama 1T$ to succeed and join China, that is an attack on the union. The states are run by the fed, so their are no state rights that are not subjected to the rules and guidelines held by the fed so it is an entirely different thing. Why Romney Lorelei? I feel South Korea may need to open up some space for me if Romney gets elected.
| |
| Tuesday, September 4, 2012 - 08:22 pm why would you go to south korea that place is the epitomie of capatalist societal decline a very sad place if you ask me
| |
| Tuesday, September 4, 2012 - 08:28 pm Their sense of nationalism is sane, they have a strong sense of community, and are willing to make any adjustments to do what is best for the nation. Slightly more authoratitive but they do what is fair for their public, just maybe not what's fair for the rest of the world.
| |
| Tuesday, September 4, 2012 - 10:19 pm the question is are we better of 4 years ago than we are now, and the answer is yes. compare the financial situation during 2008 and right know its much better. i just hope they get that point across during the convention OBAMA 2012
| |
| Tuesday, September 4, 2012 - 10:59 pm Drew, I rarely vote democratic. lol I am more of a conservative. Honestly, of the republican possibilities, Romney wasn't my fav choice. BUT, I firmly believe Obama has done diddly squat, so to see him re-elected would be painful for me. Dun worry, I'll come visit you in So. Korea when you move there. (winks) How ya been? You still keeping that hair short and you lookin' all spiffy? Good youngun! :-)
| |
| Wednesday, September 5, 2012 - 02:47 am Shallom I like your outlook but its wrong, the only 2 questions are we going to do be better off in 4 years with Romney or Obama? And what are the long term implications of a Romney or Obama presidency? I guess I can let it slide, vote along party lines Lorelei... You know you can dislike Obama and still vote for him, because you and I both know Romney will mess everything up. (I did say that very lightly with a very happy connatation btw) Yeah I'm doing good, being business Drew keeps my hair short, and flirting high. So I've been keeping busy getting into trouble. How about you, are you cleared for work yet?
| |
| Wednesday, September 5, 2012 - 04:43 am My Father would kill me for going Democrat but... I do have to agree with Drew... Romney can't go into office Party aside (Of which i have no Affiliations)
| |
| Wednesday, September 5, 2012 - 04:48 am well it is both questions, like lorelei said, "I firmly believe Obama has done diddly squat, so to see him re-elected would be painful for me" but if the democrats would hammer what Obama has done over the last 4 years and what he would do over the next 4 years it wouldn't be such a close election. because if they don't do that then people will just try something new.
| |
| Wednesday, September 5, 2012 - 09:22 am oh and jojo, the paul ryan speech was so amazing! It's such a shame it was just a bunch of lies. I'll tell ya if the things republicans say were true they'd have 90% of the votes every election every year. 10% to Mickey Mouse of course cause people could throw away their vote more easily. But the sad fact is, there is just far too many lies. tsk tsk... But Paul Ryan's path to prosperity paired with Romney's plans can increase my income (if my math is correct) roughly 23%. Nice huh? This election really worries me.
| |
| Wednesday, September 5, 2012 - 09:13 pm Hey Drew, Yes, I'm back at the dungeon as I call it, but gratefully so. This is my second week back and interestingly, I was swamped first day back! ha ha ha They did restrict me from any filing for a month. I'll have to get that extended, as I hate it. Still have issues with pain/nerve and muscle. I had some beautiful flowers awaiting me my first day back and people from several areas here have come to see me. Even received some hugs from some cute young fellas!!! Hey Now!!! ha ha ha ha Now I'm looking forward to Halloween!!! Planning a divisional party. <--My work priority. I'm head of special events. Good to hear you are doing well and you are still lookin' all sharp and professional! lol And what about all this flirting???? Tsk tsk! Stay in touch. Since my home computer has crashed, I won't be posting as much...... Do I hear cheers in the distance???!!!! SCOWLS ha ha ha ha Muahs and Shoes!
| |
| Thursday, September 6, 2012 - 01:45 am Drew, your post is full of lies. Except for the first and last sentences, it's all lies.
| |
| Thursday, September 6, 2012 - 03:25 am Regarding the political question, I think we are going to get the same basic outcome out of each candidate. They all say they are going to storm Washington and promise change, only to find that the system is so perverted, and unworkable they only realize they have to resort to campaigning for another 4 years because nobody wants to be a 1 term pres.
| |
| Thursday, September 6, 2012 - 04:10 am Hegelian dialectic Look it up, sums it all up perfectly!
| |
| Thursday, September 6, 2012 - 05:51 am @ Khome y Peng, thats entirely right, but mobilizing which base is better for the country? Our system is so broken that you shouldn't even bother voting for a candidate but vote for one of two base idealogies. And I'm pretty certain one of those idealogies will doom this country most extradonarily. @ Jojo “A downgraded America.†Yet he supported America to default on debt. Which would have impacted the credit rating moreso. “one more broken promise.†Referencing a plant that shut down before he took office. “He created a bipartisan debt commission. They came back with an urgent report. He thanked them, sent them on their way, and then did exactly nothing.†Ryan voted shite down and cogerced his bodies to do the same I mean really? C'mon now even Fox News called them lies.
| |
| Thursday, September 6, 2012 - 11:22 am I consider myself a conservative, but even the Republicans seem too bat-shit crazy for my liking. There's a difference between sane capitalism and extreme-capitalism.
| |
| Thursday, September 6, 2012 - 02:48 pm Tom - When you are referring to extreme-capitalism, do you mean Laissez-faire, libertarianism, Ayn Rand sort of philosophy? Drew - I guess my main point is that we keep getting similar results from each party after each election cycle. I know there is some ideological differences, but nobody is able to implement them.
| |
| Thursday, September 6, 2012 - 04:13 pm The Dems are driving us over the cliff at 100 mph, and the GOP is driving us over at 50 mph. That's about the only difference, really. There are shadings of liberal to conservative thru the political spectrum, but not as much difference as in the past, seems like to me. If JFK were still around, he'd kick ALL their a$$e$ out and start over, IMO. He was a Democrat, but more conservative than many (if not most ) Republicans. A strong, viable third party is needed, but it will never, ever get off the ground in the current political situation, and is wishful thinking at this point.
| |
| Thursday, September 6, 2012 - 04:18 pm It's funny, but Mitt Romney wasn't really my favorite choice for the Republican nominee for President. Having said this....... people need to wise up about Obama. Does it not even concern you that his wife/family take such elaborate vacations while we scrape by? Doesn't it bother you that the man may not even have been born in the US of A? The man has done NOTHING that he said he was going to do in office. What makes you think he will keep his promises over the next 4 years??? Our country is in the worst shape ever. He may not be the initial cause, but he certainly hasn't made any turns in a better direction. ObamaCare is a joke. What makes me angry is I have worked all my life and paid taxes. But, if I were to fall down on my luck, lose my job, have no money, you think I would be extended government aid? NO. But people who have never worked a day in their lives and have never paid taxes have no problems getting government aid? There is something VERY wrong in our system. There are people on government aid who drive better automobiles than I do! Our country has spent billions of dollars to accomodate immigrants. They get free healthcare, food stamps, assistance in paying for their homes and utilities. What about us who were born and raised here??? This is why socialist programs do NOT work.
| |
| Thursday, September 6, 2012 - 04:33 pm Amen, sister! preach it!
| |
| Thursday, September 6, 2012 - 05:44 pm I's feeling passionate today! ha ha ha ha
| |
| Thursday, September 6, 2012 - 08:32 pm We are one world nowadays Kiss, not individual countries. The sooner people let the cosmoplitan idea over-rule their nationalistic pride the better for the human race. Why question each candidates speeches, they are just meaningless words that will be twisted, backtracked, lied about or manipulated to mean the opposite. Drews about right with the basic idealism of what the PARTY stands for. And I reckon that points to letting which ever party have longer than one term to get the results. Hell, even two terms may not be enough for the present situation we all seem to find ourselves in, same applying to UK politics. Hence let Obama have his chance, the other guy doesnt seem to be an absolute miracle worker who would make me dump all to follow him. Come on USA, the world depends on you to do the right thing.
| |
| Thursday, September 6, 2012 - 08:46 pm Why is Obama the right thing? What has he done right over the past 4 years? Why are people so opposed to Romney? I will tell you why. FEAR. The man is a smart, self made business man. Maybe we need this sort of "business" approach in the White House. Give Romney a chance, so I say, get rid of the guy who has not performed well in his job, and do the right thing in hiring someone else to take the position.
| |
| Thursday, September 6, 2012 - 08:51 pm Your not listening Kiss. 4 years aint enuff to turn the place around. Not saying either is better cause I dont have the info and understanding of US politics as you guys, just common sense says no good changing horses mid-stream.
| |
| Friday, September 7, 2012 - 01:19 am lorelei you should listen to clitons speech, i don't understand how you say obama has done nothing for the economy. Clinton listed many things obama has done. would you rather be living in 2008 or 2012. http://video.foxnews.com/v/1825017325001/bill-clinton-were-going-to-keep-president-obama-on-the-job/?playlist_id=87485
| |
| Friday, September 7, 2012 - 01:22 am I've often been told that I dun listen. :S I understand what you are saying. If that is the case, perhaps terms of office should be 8 years vs. 4 years. You have to consider, I did not support Obama in his first election. Therefore, I certainly do not want him reelected. I haven't been impressed with him. I am also intelligent to know that he doesn't stand alone in the decision making. I don't agree with the democratic party's philosophy, thus why I do not vote democratic. I do not support socialist programs. I think the government needs to have less say and involvement. Families and communities should take care of their own...we as people. Matter of fact, because of ObamaCare, my health insurance premiums have gone up significantly.
| |
| Friday, September 7, 2012 - 01:35 am well i can't say anything about your personal health insurance but nationally the insurance companies have giving about 1 billion dollars back to clients. because if they don't spend at least 50% of your money on your health care they have to give you a refund. i don't mind if you don't agree with the democratic philosophy, but if the question is, are we as a nation better of 4 years ago, saying obama has done nothing to help the economy is not fair.
| |
| Friday, September 7, 2012 - 02:57 am I hate to say it, but I'm starting to think that 4 years is not long enough either. FDR did more to change this country than most presidents, and he had 4 terms. Obama was born in the US, we need to get over it. There is no way he would have been elected if he was born in any other nation. (if we really want to split hairs, McCain was born in Panama, and that was back when it was an occupied territory, never a state) Socialism needs to serve the people, not corporate America, which is what we have been seeing. We should have continued to nationalize our banks and auto makers, but we let the reigns go to fast and let the same crooks profit from the bailout even further. That's not the socialism we need.
| |
| Friday, September 7, 2012 - 04:40 am Lorelei unless im mistaken Bush was a buisnessman
| |
| Friday, September 7, 2012 - 04:51 am nationalize automobile industry's and banks lol khome y peng good luck with that but this isn't some developing third world country testing out a socialist system this is America actually Bush was an idiot redneck ;)
| |
| Friday, September 7, 2012 - 05:08 am Stolin - it was good enough for Bush, why not? Some things are too big to fail... It is a myth to think that capitalism could function for the good of a whole nation without any form of intervention. Sometimes it's required to have strong leadership to guide a nation's economy into the right direction.
| |
| Friday, September 7, 2012 - 05:24 am Whats really sad... is that people actually think they have a choice! Poor poor minions!
| |
| Friday, September 7, 2012 - 06:07 am well weather your voting for Obama or Romney or you think you think we minions don't have a choice, you still have to vote...people died for that.
| |
| Friday, September 7, 2012 - 06:09 am pardon my grammer, i wasn't paying full attention to what i wrote.
| |
| Friday, September 7, 2012 - 06:27 am Your grammer is fine to me, but Im a redneck, so pretty much any grammer is acceptable to me! HaHa Well, 'they' like 'us' to think 'we' have a choice. But as has been mentioned several times nothing really gets accomplished. The public has been provided with a framework for guiding our thoughts and actions into conflicts (right vs left) that lead us to a predetermined solution. This happens in all levels of politics and economics. The public is led to believe they have a choice when in reality they dont.
| |
| Friday, September 7, 2012 - 06:29 am I've never been a fan of Obama, but he is easily the best choice. But there is just so much misinformation out there. The debt, as long as you reference the actual #'s are a result of limited taxation revenue, and war (well and the bloated defense budget not spent on war). To give credit to Obama, is rediculous. As for the "Affordable Care Act" I think most of that criticism comes from ignorance as well. Now I will never support a mandate for insurance, but you all have to understand that Health insurance now HAS to reimburse upto 80% of your premiums. They are entitled to only 20% if you spent some then they don't repay what you spent, but I mean seriously you don't get more ethical than that. I mean it may be true the amount of influence a single term can make isn't neccessaraly big. But I am much more anti-republican then I am Democratic for this simple reason. The biggest economic downturn of my lifetime was caused by tax cuts, and Romney will aggrevate that to the same level. He will also make as many cuts to everything except military. (All costs are seemingly minor at that) Most if any likely will not go through. But either way this will degrade the prosperity level of our country and intensify our current economical problem. I have searched hard, like real hard, to understand the coservative efforts here, but I see absolutely zero sense in the matter. NOTHING ADDS UP. And so American Republican Politicians have to simply be doing all of this nonsense for the only reason that makes sense, to line their pockets. @Crafty- I don't follow politics across the pond very closely, but it's my understanding that everyone hates Tony Blair now. I'm just curious what happened there, I thought he was a good bloke (if I'm using that word correctly).
| |
| Friday, September 7, 2012 - 06:31 am I'm from Illinois I don't need to stinkin' vote with a 70-sumthin point (D) marker no one needs to vote. Same with NY CA TX. The only big states who need to vote in PA and FL
| |
| Friday, September 7, 2012 - 03:08 pm Keep in mind.. Right and Left does not always mean Conservative or Liberal. One is more economic, the other social. And also depending on what country your in. Liberals in Russia for example tend to be capitalists.
| |
| Friday, September 7, 2012 - 03:53 pm Tony Blair? That smug, self-serving, multi-millionaire war monger? Thank all the deities that he is long gone and his successor, Gordon Brown. Demond Tutu has joined in the call for him to be prosecuted for war crimes. I for one hope to see him in the Hague soon. He and his wife profiteered off of their political career and now large it, Blair being involved in the EU somewhere, it still goes on today. What the UK is crying out for is another character like Churchill (or even Thatcher, at least she had balls - "this lady is not for turning"), a proper determined person who doesn't deal in BS. I expect the same can be said of the States, I dont know, like another FDR or Lincoln or someone?
| |
| Friday, September 7, 2012 - 06:49 pm I'll be glad when the election is over! Then we can talk about shoes again...and we will ALL be happy!!!! :P
| |
| Friday, September 7, 2012 - 07:33 pm Lol yeah that guy, Everyone knows American poltics but Americans just aren't exposed to this kinda thing. I've heard David Cameron speak like 3 or 4 times, he seems a lot better than a Romney for sure. The conservatives over here completely ignore the truth and cause and effect at least everytime I've heard your conservative leader he speaks about statistics and logic. That sure would be nice, that's why I have no idea what Khome is talking about. You have one-side obsessessed with fighting socialism, birth records, nonexistant voter fraud, education records, guns, Israel, Iran, and god. That is the side you feel cares about economic prosperity? While in every speech and every ad the Dems talk about raising taxes on the rich, an economic issue through and through
| |
| Saturday, September 8, 2012 - 04:20 am a myth to think capitalism wouldn't be good for the whole of the nation I scoff at that many country's have done it and been pretty well off read a history book liberals in Russia are capitalist so are most in America what's your point and what does that make Russian conservatives idk communist (wait no that's left wing) czarist? oligarchs *shrug
| |
| Saturday, September 8, 2012 - 07:35 am well you can't exactly put an authoritarian communist party on the liberal side of the chart, now could we? you must of missed that one chapter of history regarding the Congo free state, but then again maybe we weren't considering the locals of the Congo a part of the whole of the nation, just the colonists from Belgium. Next..
| |
| Saturday, September 8, 2012 - 08:17 am I like that remark, because it is so not fair, like at all. I'm not going against you, because the authorative governments used in former governments can not be an example of liberalism. But the Congo Republic seriously, if memory serves me their median income translates to 36$ a year. Or the poorest soveriegn nation, you can hardly use them as a comparrison to anything. But its funny thinking of capitalism with rocks, children, leaves and whatever else they can manage to scrounge up. Not that I am that informed so I will retract it if I'm wrong
| |
| Saturday, September 8, 2012 - 08:31 am The Congo Free state was more of an enterprise set up by King Leopold from Belgium. This was over 100 years ago when Africa was being colonized by Germany, France, Italy, Belgium, basically all of Europe wanted a piece. Abundance of resources, low population compared to other continents, and of course it's inability to defend itself against invading Europeans. All of that made it a free for all for colonizing and exploitation. (sorry to say). King Leopold then got a wild hair up his ass and said, "I want to make my very own private company to reap the benefits of a high demand product at the time/rubber" and in deed he did! And what better way to abuse his power as king of a powerful European nation than take a colony in Africa (Congo) and make it into his personal investment. It wasn't even for the benefit of the Belgium economy, which is even more shocking. Even more profitable, every hired worker who brought back a basket of severed limbs of locals who caused trouble were given a bonus in their "compensation plan". Now, who cannot say that is gross form of capitalist abuse? fast forward to 100 years later, nations like DR Congo, Republic of Congo, Rwanda, etc.. all deeply scarred by the effects of what I just described. sorry, that was a bit long I guess.
| |
| Saturday, September 8, 2012 - 10:14 am seriously, this thread started out as Obama v. Romney. And look it now... its like tellen a secret in grade 3 and sayin' i like fred, pass it on, after getting thruoh 20 kids it ends up, purple monkey dishwasher ! (lookk it up, the simpsons). But seriosly, back on topic, Obama is the States best spokes person, he is very popular around the world and is less automaton as his rivals. Thata what you need to look for, nothing else matters cause he realy doesnt have the choice how to actualy run the country
| |
| Saturday, September 8, 2012 - 04:48 pm that form of capitalism I believe they call exploit capitalism there's another form of capitalism don't remember the name but its mci better for all involved and the type of capitalism your describing it appears the government was to Much involved aswell as in the case of many colonys (all of then were examples of exploit capitalism except maybe America idk I'm not that enlightened on the subject but it seems once the British got there shit tigethir and started trying to exploit America there was the war of independence) generally the less government involved the better obviously a standard ammount of regulation is required to make sure exploit capitalism is not so prevalent but nationalizing industry's isn't the way for America the ammount of government involvement in the economy that is good for the economy is going to depend on the cultures society but I'm just talking in general..... to big to fail is a tough question if I was the president I probably would have given them a very cheap long term loan and assigned some oversight to make sure they were not just going to close
| |
| Saturday, September 8, 2012 - 05:25 pm I have never seen capitalism thrive in a state of anarchy. Therefore, I would conclude that capitalism can only exist as an extension of whatever government is in place to permit it. You chose the correct word, exploitation. My main point is that before we go around waving our gospels of capitalism as the only true path, lets keep in perspective that EVERY system of economics, government, religion, philosophy, etc has a very dark side. (there are both black books of communism and capitalism and bla bla bla it will never end) Less government is a euphemism for "loop holes", so yeah, back to the Romney Obama question. Romney/Ryan - less government Obama/Biden - Smarter government I'll take the last option, and no, Obama is not a socialist. Eisenhower and Nixon were closer to being socialist than any Democrat in the 21st century. If I were alive to vote in an election in the middle of the 20th century, I would most likely vote Republican.
| |
| Sunday, September 9, 2012 - 08:37 am I have never seen capitalism thrive in a state of anarchy touche....I think its a well known fact though that the American government has become painfully stupid and ineffective and therefore making it smaller would reduce these idiotic wastes its just a fact that big government ends up doing stupid shit
| |
| Sunday, September 9, 2012 - 08:39 am and what are these loopholes you speak of
| |
| Sunday, September 9, 2012 - 04:38 pm The size of government is not the real issue, we just encamped ourselves through media dialogue to have to pick either one or the other. Like the abortion topic, your either pro life or pro choice, instead of actually forming our own common sense opinion, we are all pigeon holed into one of two categories that do us a huge disservice. You can have 1 or 1000 government offices, but if each one is not being effective, you will have the exact same end result. Government is going to have to exist in this point of history, plain and simple, however it is overly simplistic to just say we have either too much or too few. The issue is too complex to just throw a blanket statement to characterize it all. Maybe its not a matter of how many agencies or government offices that concern us, but maybe what their function is to begin with? Conservatives love allot of defense department agencies, where as others would want to see more social welfare agencies. I say the American people are ready for more detailed discussions about the issues that affect their daily lives, and we can move past the buzz words. loopholes - corporate tax breaks, the ability to take wealth generated here and move it over seas to avoid paying taxes where the wealth was generated to begin with. That seems like robbing those who did the actual work to produce it.
| |
| Sunday, September 9, 2012 - 07:42 pm The bigger the government the larger the ability for efficiency. Alex your statement is based on opinion, as is mine. And all of the is because we've yet to understand the importance of doing things effectively. If you can have the government start for-profit firms for example we can create a workforce with 90% private sector (or something that resembles it) jobs with 0% unemployment. This is just one example of the potential of using the government efficiently. But Republicans and Libertarians seem to believe that government intervention is almost entirely wasteful. Now I'm going to deny that there are flaws in that system. But rather than tweaking things to work, we dismiss them. Capitalism is evil though, giving any power to corporations is counter-productive. In the sense that everyone should follow their Telos and a corporations Telos is 90% make money for their shareholders, which have absolutely no gain to the coutnry or society.
| |
| Sunday, September 9, 2012 - 08:07 pm Drew - Ditto
| |
Sunday, September 9, 2012 - 09:51 pm
No. That IS capitalism. The shareholder gains. Those who seek riches, and invest (gamble) smartly, be it effort, time or money, are successful. Or gain wealth anyway, which is the capitalist way. Re point about 'loopholes': agreed entirely. A major issue that needs clamping down on big time.
| |
| Sunday, September 9, 2012 - 09:55 pm I love discussions like this, it is very refreshing. Thanks to you all
| |
| Monday, September 10, 2012 - 12:30 am Right that IS capitialism, and it IS counter productive
| |
| Monday, September 10, 2012 - 03:24 am capitalism is certainly not evil it allows for a feeling of self worth and determination and anyways its just an economic system more governments intervention tends to be bad communist Russia China Korea Spain not that I'm saying none is required it is definitly required but I think more freedoms the better lets stop all the stupid shit our American government is doing war on drugs subsidizing tobacco industry's while educating people not to smoke huge defense spending taking away freedoms with petty laws and Infringements of the constitution absolutely idiotic speed limits various subsidys and inefficient welfare programs having a small government doesn't necessarily mean there are going to be loopholes poor education and corporate tyranny because those are the basics of what government should take care of after that us taken care of we can have civilized non partisan debate on healthcare reform and other such things (I am for heakthcare other successful country's use it why not us are we really that snobish)
| |
| Monday, September 10, 2012 - 03:26 am and I definitely haven't pigeon holed myself khome if you were talking to me
| |
| Monday, September 10, 2012 - 03:52 am I was referring to everybody being grouped into 2 specific categories on each issue by our very watered down political discourse.
| |
| Monday, September 10, 2012 - 04:16 am How does capitalism bring self worth? That suggests we are what we do, but people don't get to do what they want to do. People do what they get rewarded for doing. The logic capitalism brings is everyone should go to school for finance. Money and stuff don't bring happiness just people are in a cloud of dillusion. Also as I've said you are focusing on the wrong things. This is nanny state nonsense, example like the soda ban in New York. That is a representation of misuse in power. The federal government shouldn't control that. The federal government on the other hand should be involved in EVERY aspect that effects civil liberties in this country. Including extensive wage regulations, instead of just a minimum. Should have some leeway in controlling pharmacuetical costs, as patents as outrageous prices have inflated the cost of health care to unmanagiable means, hence the requirement of health insurance. There are infinite of examples of this. So I'll leave you with one more, if a corporation can get a better deal outside this country, and this move is detrimental to the welfare of the citizens, the government doesn't have to lower wages, or taxes. Simply make it expensive or impossible to get our business simultaneously replace them. Capitalism NEVER puts people first! If good happens from Capitalism is a byproduct of it, not a goal. Alex, and I respect your resolve, and the fact that you mostly look for actual truths, however I think you have let yourself by a part of the systematic villiany that shadows the underlying truth of things. The government wastes money does things that are unfair and or bias but it doesn't mean it has to. Take authorative regimes out of your communist examples and tell me would they have down worse or better because of it. As for tobacco they tax it much more heavily than they subsidize it. But why should they even bother with it? It's quite simple because the free market does not have the efficiency to run those industries appropriately. Hope you didn't take offense. Also I'm not implying socialism is the answer.
| |
| Monday, September 10, 2012 - 04:54 am Drew is the original red under the bed. It's the American dream man, wealth, freedom and all, not this hippy bull about equality for everybody, fairness, social justice etc etc. 'self worth' (lmao). Its what you fought and died for - Capitalism. Remember, many are very successful under it. Remember, the USA has always been in the top 3 of the worlds richest, most productive, influential countries under it. Well, for the last couple of hundred years anyway. Dont knock it bud, you got your education because of it. Now I'm not a devout capitalist, or conservative, but you need to understand what people asked for and what they got. Now they have it they begin to complain that it's not really what they want. Sound familiar? It should, it's pandemic.
| |
| Tuesday, September 11, 2012 - 12:23 am lol American education I bet drew went to a private school in such a big interconnected economy its usually quite likely that you can do what you want to do drew unless your a fruitcake who takes visual arts as a major as for the rest of that post I cant really understand my ADD is acting up
| |
| Tuesday, September 11, 2012 - 12:27 am and crafty I can appreciate the American dream man wealth and freedom but I can also appreciate the hippy bull to our founding fathers were hippys ill probably move one day to a nice well to do European country that doesn't spend its time in debates asking weather we should teach evolution anyways so idk why I care so much about America
| |
| Tuesday, September 11, 2012 - 01:20 am Well I had a great public education in which my high school had a grand graduation rate of 50%. I worked full time until I was 21 to pay for college upto my MBA (Masters in Business Administration), I continued my education further and obtained many things, PC Technician certificate, CCNA. Real Estate Liscense, and my CPA. In which I only recieved a couple Pell grants for but not until my last year. Sure I've used our system a little. Everyone has, everyone needs to, to gain the opportunities to succeed. But the issue here my friends is that opportunity doesn't equal financial gain, and financial gain doesn't equal happiness. That is the real lesson in all of this. However Crafty I'd like to point out that you are wrong. Luxembourg, Qatar, and Malaysia off hand have higher income per capita then the states do. I presume the median is far less. Also I'm not really a commie. I'm just anti-captilist. The fed HAS to do what is in the best interest of the people not the few who take advantage of the system. That's why I'm not sure Alex turned on me like this. He agrees, stop bailing out the gamblers. Yet whatever... If you would simply open your mind to the possibilities instead of simply what is in front of you, and petty gains that are pushed down your throat you will be much liberated and you finally be able to grow as a person
| |
| Tuesday, September 11, 2012 - 02:07 am What about the founding fathers being hippies? I don't get it.. I consider myself a red blooded leftist who still would enjoy a good read like End the Fed. All view points have some sort of pragmatic value. And speaking of pragmatism, remember that one system does not always work for every nation or culture. We in the west, particularly the US, have a more individualistic approach to things, and how we relate to each other. The wheat growing, protestant work ethic occidental world view. Go east, you will find our rice growing cultures had to live in more communal settings,which resulted in philosophies that promote not the individual but the betterment of the community. As an American, born, raised and happy to be one, I get that my history promotes individualism, freedom and self-reliance. I guess what I'm saying is, when in Rome, do as the Romans do... (but it's ok to have your own ideas and viewpoints, even leftists.) I like that we have diverse arguments in our society, if anything we don't allow enough! Republicans and Democrats do not represent ALL of the US, and I think every American would agree with that. Can we make a "Social Pragmatatic Party"? (I made up the pragmatatic word) hehe
| |
| Tuesday, September 11, 2012 - 04:37 am well atleast our college education system is good its just most kids nowadays go get some bullshit major just to say they went to college our founding fathers were very liberal for there time and by default "hippys" and I read a book on different education systems and it said in America with wheat growing and stuff the field has to lay fallow while in China the rice paddies grow more fertile with every planting and this led to people in America thinking that children needed long breaks to rest their minds saying to much education was dangerous while in China obviously the oppiosite is true very interesting stuff how something which seems so irrelevant actually seems to have such a large impact on societys and actually ive thought of making my own political party with he word pragmatic thrown in there or something so actually I made it up hehe Great minds think alike I suppose
| |
| Tuesday, September 11, 2012 - 04:38 am and conservatives are nothing like our founding fathers they are a dead party
| |
| Tuesday, September 11, 2012 - 05:34 am yes, the differences between east and west with the wheat and rice cultures is common in sociological studies. that was my major. there are basic conditions that will determine the characteristics of a culture, geography, demography, economics, and technology. good stuff we need more political parties
| |
| Wednesday, September 12, 2012 - 03:31 am yes I agree we ethier need a Multi party system or no party's at all
| |
| Wednesday, September 12, 2012 - 07:07 am Multiple parties are dangerous. The problem is our voting system and the amount of uninformed voters until that is fixes then there is no way a strong 3rd or 4th party would be good. I'm not saying the expression of different ideas aren't good, and I'm definetaly not saying that a 3rd party candidate wouldn't be better than the others. But if you look how close this election will be, and the fact that one state can change the outcome our election system is too fragile to allow, 1 person that was 60% of the people's 3rd choice (of the general) the ability to sabotage the country, yikes. Majoritarianism not present in a democracy? sounds good but a... Anywho it's dangerous. Unless we can have like a political tourney where you vote each candidate to the next round. But then people will be sabotaging other candidates not based on merit but danger to their candidate. Well I guess we have worse problems anyways, like how rednecks (not intended to mean southern Americans, but rather southern idiots) that are coherced into believing that capitalism, the free market, and job creators somehow make their lives better. **rant over** Khome it is pleasure for you to have joined the forum
| |
| Thursday, September 13, 2012 - 01:21 am basically we need less partisan politics like khome said we have pigeon holed ourselves
| |
| Thursday, September 13, 2012 - 01:55 am Drew, are northern, eastern and western idiots included in your definition of 'rednecks'?
| |
| Thursday, September 13, 2012 - 06:56 am As a resident of central NY, and once the Catskills, I have seen plenty of gun toting atv drivers trailing up the mountains. hehe I know, the free pigeon party, now i'm being silly. Thanks Drew
| |
| Thursday, September 13, 2012 - 04:26 pm Drew!!!! Dun talk bad about us rednecks!!! Da Snake (Serpent) and I are from Tennessee. We gets kinda sensitive like about our heritage! ha ha ha http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDxSgq88Clw Thought I'd reintroduce ya to our culture. ha ha ha
| |
| Thursday, September 13, 2012 - 08:00 pm It's nice to know that people still read my posts, I thought everywhere would have surely started ignoring them by now. Rednecks can be anywhere and everyone. If you enjoy the antics of Jeff Foxworthy you may be a redneck. =) Elections are war now Alex. Partisan lines are more like nationalities, because people are dumb and the side that doesn't coincide with your own will bring a thousand years of darkness. right?
| |
| Thursday, September 13, 2012 - 08:26 pm Drew, I always enjoy reading your posts. I admire your ability to debate your ideas/opinions with such conviction and intelligence. BTW, I'm not really a redneck at all. lol I'm more of a yuppie type or in my case a o-uppie since i am no longer considered young. ha ha ha :P
| |
| Thursday, September 13, 2012 - 08:33 pm This is actually what the world needs!!!!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XluWvWa8pIc
| |
| Thursday, September 13, 2012 - 10:04 pm I dunno why, but I thought of you, Jason, when I saw the new Hardees drippy BBQ hamburger commercial wif the two girls. ha ha ha ha ha The comments I'm hearing around the water cooler from other women in the office, is it is disgusting! ha ha ha I said... not to da men. They are such simple creatures and out rushing the drive thrus now. ha ha ha
| |
| Thursday, September 13, 2012 - 11:02 pm Actually, that Hardees commercial is not really appealing to guys either. Food and sex don't mix, unless your George from Seinfeld. If you listen to Patton Oslwald, you know your a surreal nerd.. ---> ME
| |
| Thursday, September 13, 2012 - 11:16 pm I dunno Serpent had a fit over da first commercial wif the girl and the drippy BBQ sauce on her leg. I distinctly remember! ha ha ha You a Seinfeld fan? lol But, as to food and sex...... they actually both can be very sensual and satisfying. ha ha ha I just saw a Seinfeld episode last night about whether the woman's experience with George was better than the Risotto. ha ha ha
| |
| Thursday, September 13, 2012 - 11:24 pm And a few more redneck women http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82dDnv9zeLs
| |
| Thursday, September 13, 2012 - 11:43 pm the only episode I remember at the moment was George under the covers with a woman and sneaking a bite of a hot pastrami sandwich. lol classic ok, sensual foods are chocolates, strawberries, wine etc... a hot chick with a bucket of hot chicken.. eh.. one at a time please
| |
| Thursday, September 13, 2012 - 11:47 pm Oh I remember that episode! It was classic.... ha ha ha ha George was Gold!
| |
Friday, September 14, 2012 - 12:54 am
You mean the inbreeding?
| |
| Friday, September 14, 2012 - 04:31 am Gotta keep it in the family!!! Check these out... maybe you'll like em! Redneck computer terms: Log On: Makin' the wood stove hotter. Log Off: Don't add no wood. Monitor: Keepin' an eye on the wood stove. Download: Gettin' the firewood off the pickup. Mega Hertz: Floppy Disk: Whatcha git from pilin' too much firewood. Ram: The hydrolic thingy that splits the firewood. Hard Drive: Getting' home in the winter season. Prompt: What you wish the mail was in the winter. Windows: What to shut when it's below 15 below. Screen: What 'cha need for the black fly season. Byte: That's what the flies do. Chip: What to munch on. Micro Chip: Infrared: Where the left-overs go when Fred's around. Modem: Dot Matrix: Farmer Matrix's wife. Lap Top: Where little kids feel comfy. Keyboard: Where ya hang your keys. Software: Them plastic eatin' utensils. Mouse: Whats eats the horses grain. Main Frame: Hold up the barn roof. Port: Fancy wine. Enter: C'mon in. Random Access Memory: You can't remember whatcha' paid for that new rifle when your wife asks.
| |
| Friday, September 14, 2012 - 05:33 am Red neck, white shirt, blue jeeeeenz yeehhaa
| |
| Friday, September 14, 2012 - 07:12 pm *Throws a big hunting boot at Laguna's head! lol Well we know where we gots our genes.... or jeeeenz! yeehaw!!!
| |
| Friday, September 14, 2012 - 10:57 pm Haha, nice one Serp'. Boot: whats on your foot. Crash: the pick-up after too much moonshine. Internet: where the fishes should be. World Wide Web: that's one big MF spider!
|
