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Thursday, August 9, 2012 - 09:33 pm  The US and Israel plan to attack Iran. I think its stupid and they are playing little war games but how do you feel?
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| Thursday, August 9, 2012 - 09:51 pm Israel is a bully and the US has no reason to back them. Iran would have never threatened us if we left them alone in the first place
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| Thursday, August 9, 2012 - 10:04 pm True. The US is a bully too. I give Iran alot of respect for standing up to the US
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| Thursday, August 9, 2012 - 11:29 pm Yep I think we should simply let them make all the fissionable material they want. I can see Israel getting upset, however those missiles the Germans sold won't reach the U.S. I think we should wait until they fire one off at Europe before worrying about it.
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| Thursday, August 9, 2012 - 11:43 pm I take it that is sarcasm?
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| Thursday, August 9, 2012 - 11:46 pm No i agree with Yankee. If we attack Iran with no reason (like we r trying to do now) then Russia and China are going to come to Irans aid. But if Iran attacks any one of the US's allies then we should attack them
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| Thursday, August 9, 2012 - 11:51 pm The US and Isarel are bullies who need to be checked. It doesnt help Irans case that they wanna "wipe Isarel off the map" but they should be allowed to do what they want as far as building weapons. Then the allies should tell them, if you screw with us, or if you allow a Nuke to fall into Terrorist hands and scream its not your fault, then you'll never be able to enjoy Isarels demise because we will turn Iran into a Nuclear desert. Kill every one of you. This shits all about the oil. Not pre emptive attacks, its about oil.
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| Thursday, August 9, 2012 - 11:54 pm Yes but wouldnt Iran want to take US off the map since they hate us and they know we will back Israel up
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| Friday, August 10, 2012 - 12:13 am It was said in a way that could be taken as being sarcastic however, I actually think we should leave them alone until they actually decide to produce a nuclear weapon. I can understand from their national standpoint wanting the technology to enrich materials, they have multiple uses other than weapons. The problem stems from, once they possess that capability, it's relatively easy to produce a nuclear weapon in a short amount of time. I doubt it could be done in secret on a scale where it would be viable as a "weapon" for war against the U.S. They could very well sneak a few bombs into Israel or even the U.S. if given to terrorist groups, while they can get to Europe, they have no weapon delivery system other than human carried that can reach the U.S. at this time. At that point, when the first dirty bomb was used, attempted, or it was proven they where developing military grade weapons, then remove their capability to do so even if it means turning the country into a parking lot. Until then leave them alone. I believe they are after the capability to produce nuclear weapons. That's not the same thing as intending to produce nuclear weapons. Until they do, they have the right to enriched materials for medical purposes as anyone, and while we are willing to give them access to those materials, I can understand wanting the capability to do for yourself.
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| Friday, August 10, 2012 - 12:24 am Yeah let Iran build nukes. If every other country can how come Iran cant? Since the US has nukes how come Iran cant have them? The US has over 200 nukes and couple hundred deactivated. Iran knows if they nuke Israel its going to be suicide
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| Friday, August 10, 2012 - 12:37 am I didn't say let them actually build nukes, I simply see no reason to deny them the technology. It does have other purposes.
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| Friday, August 10, 2012 - 01:06 am a nuclear iran will be HORRIBLE, a country that says they want to wipe out a country of the face of the earth and also considering isarel's size, they should not be taken lightly. sure let them have nuclear facilities for energy but those facilities should be open freely for inspection. im not saying we should attack militarily but we should sanction and isolate them so bad that they give up the program
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| Friday, August 10, 2012 - 09:19 am I agree with all of you except shallom =) Iran has been wronged continously by Israel, the United States, Europe, and even Russia. Most of the middle easy feel the same pressure, these sanctions, and restrictions are what allows Israel and Russia the ability to keep all of this pressure on them. Have you ever wondered why we call people terrorists? It's because they hate us because we give so much to their enemies. Also Iran had agreed to give up their Nuclear Enrichment program as long as they were given the ability to purchase medicinal nuclear equipment. That plan went south only because the (snotty attitude) French had to be involved. Why should Iran have less rights then the rest of the world? Especially when they are willing to compromise
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| Friday, August 10, 2012 - 10:47 am I agree with you Drew. 100% If anything a nuclear Iran will make Israel behave itself. It's been strutting around unchecked for too long, pushing Muslims off their land and annoying its neighbours. No wonder America has 20+ terrorist organisations after it. Hopefully a mini-Cold War in the Middle East will keep both sides at the best of their behaviour.
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| Friday, August 10, 2012 - 03:42 pm (Post deleleted by author as probably being too inflammatory)
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| Friday, August 10, 2012 - 03:51 pm Iran is not goverened by a rationally thinking governement but rather by a group governed by the thought that the big satan and the litle satan must be destroyed no matter what the cost will be. Most likely, they are more interested in hitting the US than Israel or Europe. If not checked, they will be able, quite soon, to hit NY from a small submarine, from a distance of 2000 Miles. Whether exploded or not, a small nuclear attack on NY, or even a 40 pound enriched Uranium wapor from a small conventional missile or bom in a containes in the NY harbor, will force the US to evacuate NY for the next 2000 years. This will destroy the entire economy of the US and probably the world. So if you are into such a risc, and hope that someone else will get hit, sleep well. The conventional missile/bom spreading highly enriched uranium or plutonium vapor is today the single most dangerous thing that could happen to the US and the one threat that is costing the US billions each year to try and prevent. Nobody mentions it, it can cause a huge panic. The same discussion took place before Israel destroyed Osirak. This time, it is not an Israeli problem. It is more a US problem. In addition, Israel has a very large arsenal of self developed Arrow missiles nobody else has, that can stop very fast, balistic missiles at 50 to 150 miles distance. The US is too vast to defend and is in a far greater danger. It has a very weak president who does not dare to stand up to the occasion and defend the country.
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Friday, August 10, 2012 - 07:42 pm
Possible however unlikely, I don't believe the Iranians ever got the Type 209's they had on order from Germany. That leaves the Kilo's they possess from the Soviet Union. Yes they bought them from the Soviet Union not Russia. All of those I seriously doubt could make it to within 2000 miles of the U.S. and are not capable of launching anything that could cover that distance. They could make life difficult for a regional conflict but unless you possess a A.I.P type submarine the chances of a hostile getting within delivery range of the U.S. without being spotted are extremely slim. Diesel Electric boats while extremely hard to find when operating without diesels are easy to kill once located. Movement is very limited and depends on the condition their batteries happen to be in at the time they are forced under. Since the capabilities of submarines produced by various countries are known, if you even suspect one might be headed your way finding it is relatively simple mathematics. Now if they acquire A.I.P. submarines, they might be able to get close however then the damage they can do is limited by the weapons possible for them to carry. There is of course a threat, but I'd rate it as very low to the continental U.S. The reason the Soviets moved their ballistic missile submarines under the polar ice packs was not because it was better positioning, it was because off the U.S. coast they where vulnerable. Unless they begin producing Nuclear weapons I still say leave them alone.
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| Friday, August 10, 2012 - 08:00 pm Iran President allows no American films other than Michael Moores in the country. Sounds like hes a bigger conspiracy theorist than i am. But i do respect the man, i just dont agree with his statements, beliefs, and possibly even his religion.
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| Friday, August 10, 2012 - 08:00 pm I support Isarel, not the goverment of Isarel. Just the people.
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| Friday, August 10, 2012 - 08:56 pm we have 20 plus terrorist groups after us not for any foreign policy issue but for religious issues. a lot of the terrorist view isreal as the small satan and it is there duty to wage holy war to fight this "satan" and since we support them and provide military protection and aid they view as as the big "satan" so its not our fault they they hate us its because of there religious beliefs. iran right know is a rational thinking organization, but the fear is that they become so radical that although they know that if they bombed isreal they would be destroyed, that they will see that as a necessary thing to do in the eyes of allah. and with such a small country like isreal a nuclear bomb would have a very bad effect. the u.s isn't bullying anybody
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| Friday, August 10, 2012 - 10:02 pm the US did screw up bad with foriegn policy in the middle east I understand completely where those people are coming from (minus the suicidal tendancys as a result of there fanatical extremist religious beliefs)....not all country's have nukes drew most of the country's that have nukes are stable rational 1st world and don't have nearly suicidal rage towards their enemy's.....all you people who say whatever we wronged them let them have nukes are complete fools and nitwits and I hope you feel alright when our city's gets blown up by the dictators of Iran I also hope you feel alright when the US retaliates and blows up all the innocent Iranian citizentry
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| Friday, August 10, 2012 - 10:09 pm and drew about your comment "Israel is a bully" I find to be completely idiotic and perhaps you could enlighten me the way I see it (I don't know much) they were invaded 2-3 times by Arabic neighbors and are under constant threat from militant terrorist organizations and the middle eastern dictators spew out garbage about pushing Israel into the sea almost as often as American politicians say God bless america plus Israel is very dependent upon US support to hold its own against these "bullys" narcissist racist genocidal weights upon their respective country's.....not at all the kind of people a respectful dignified outspoken liberal such as yourself would support
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| Friday, August 10, 2012 - 10:11 pm and pancakes every one of your posts are idiotic please don't make me explain them all...everyone just disregard him
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| Friday, August 10, 2012 - 10:18 pm Shut the hell up and drop dead bitch
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| Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 01:37 am The thing I respect about Israel is they are more than willing to fight their own battles. Yes we've had to empty the decks of at least one carrier to give them weapons to fight with back during the 7 day war, but they do their own fighting.
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| Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 01:44 am ok my honor has been insulted I must destroy you hmmm I don't know how to qoute posts so this will be annoying "The US and Israel plan to attack Iran. I think its stupid and they are playing little war games but how do you feel?" you do not know if they are planning to do anything I doubt you are the president or someone of importance in fact I doubt if you have even hit puberty yet there is some talk about it during debates that you probably watched with your mother and you know nothing at all about these threats so don't make any judgements on what is smart or stupid you are probably not educated in these things weather it be diplomacy espionage or military so please stop tainting the air....IT IS NOT A LITTLE WAR GAME SC is a little war game this is real life with real nukes and its serious shit just shows your immaturity True. The US is a bully too. I give Iran alot of respect for standing up to the US again I doubt you know anything of the geopolitical situation and what would Iran be standing up to the US for??? idk there goal is simply to destroy us and Israel in some manner they are not standing il for anything good...idk maybe nuclear winter maybe they simply have a nationalistic vendetta against us like the kind you would see in 20th century Europe maybe all this hate for us is simply propoganda given from the leaders to the populace so the populace allows the leaders to continue to lead not to uncommon in a dictatorship. No i agree with Yankee. If we attack Iran with no reason (like we r trying to do now) then Russia and China are going to come to Irans aid. But if Iran attacks any one of the US's allies then we should attack them again we are not engaging atleast in my limited knowledge albiet greater then yours in any combat operations against Iran it is all talk right now...AND NOT FOR NO REASON they have nukes and they are a threat and idk if Russia and China would go to their aid probably not militarily and if Iran attacked an ally or us would it change anything? you don't know and nethier do I....so if they nuke us or our allies....whatever....well just attack them...millions will die...eh...its called a preemptive strike a very important strategic maneuver I don't want to live in a world where there's an unstable country that hates me and has nukes the Pakistan and India situation is bad enough how many more problems can incompetent politicians handle btw you just agreed with someones sarcasm full heartedly kind of awkward maybe stupid Yes but wouldnt Iran want to take US off the map since they hate us and they know we will back Israel up yes so that's why we don't want them to have nukes...so your also American basically hating on your country and premoting those that want to kill us...you realise that those terrorists (or In drews terms the people that hate us) probably laugh at how stupid we are for being so naieve...think about it Yeah let Iran build nukes. If every other country can how come Iran cant? Since the US has nukes how come Iran cant have them? The US has over 200 nukes and couple hundred deactivated. Iran knows if they nuke Israel its going to be suicide not everyother country has nukes in fact most don't because most country's don't want to kill out a whole country in a genocidal racist rage....the US can have nukes 1 because we invented them and 2 because we don't have a nsrcissist genocidal dictator bent on destroying Canada or something while Iran does except they want to destroy Israel suicide it seems to me that Muslim extremists actually favor suicidal destruction as a form of demise they get to go straight to heaven with the 14 virgins or whatever it is it would probably go down in their history as the greatest act ever or something Shut the hell up and drop dead bitch try responding to my posts with something that resembles a reasonable argument perhaps try to change my mind for everyone please refer to my last post it seems many believe that Israel and the US are bullys and that means Iran deserves nukes this is simply false and I would love to debate it with anyone and everyone this is a serious threat and it saddens me that Americans and other westerners are so immune to the dangers that surround them wake the fuck up many of these people are serious threats to us the world and themselves much of it has to do with the Americas and European imperialism in the area but it is still a threat and while I do support a change in foriegn policy in the area we cant just close our eyes these people have grown up in a different world then us and part of that world is hating us we are the great Satan how can we let the people who call us the great Satan and want to wipe a whole country off the planet obtain nukes it is quite simply a moral wrong...for those of you who want us to return to a cold war state with people who are more irrational then Stalin fine lets have another go the cold war wasn't that bad was it....just the threat of global destruction ever imminent and looming....whatever I'm going to live in Alaska
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| Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 01:46 am Yankee I awknowledge Israel's military supremacy it is not all on us but you cannot refute the fact that if all of the hostile middle east teamed up like they say they will and with the extra backing of nukes....Israel would be in trouble and many would die
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| Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 02:01 am If China and Russia, and the middle eastern states all team up, were fucked. To put it lightly
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| Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 02:04 am Lol im moving to canada if this happens lol
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| Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 02:07 am that's all you have to say after my long argumentative post I would say I was surprised but I suppose its the typikal fashion of someone like you
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| Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 02:09 am Ehh im just going to ignore. Forget about what we said. Im done fighting. Im sorry. And i apologize to NATO. I want to move on from this. I want to start a allience with NATO.
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| Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 02:17 am this has nothing to do with NATO and I doubt many want to be associated with you...you know because you left and then disparaged our reputation along with your degenerate friend megnotata
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| Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 02:20 am As it does have something to do with NATO. Me and micheal dont even talk anymore. Not sure y but we dont. Anyways if the allience is accepted with NATO i will ban myself from declaring war on a president (unless it is absolutely nessary)
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| Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 02:22 am this topic has nothing to do with NATO if you want to talk about an alliance message Constantine
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| Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 02:26 am Ok, This is my opinion. Im a Christian so i believe in the prophecies. I believe that WW3 will get started but be ended before any major damage happens. There will be a peace agreement over seen by the antichrist, who will fool many into believing hes a man of peace, then 3 1/2 years into it, he will break it and WW3 will resume resulting in millions, possibly billions of deaths. But lets put that aside for now since not everyone agrees with the Christian views. My opinion is the US and Isarel are bullies, in a sense. Because were the world super power, we pretty much do as we please. Thats the way the Middle East sees us, thats why most of the world and even our own citizens hate their own country. But we, at least in public keep our noses clean. If this Illuminati shit is real, and trust me, The Iranian President is a big time conspiracy theorist.....then yea..were the big bad wolf that wants world domination and thats the way Iran and most of the middle east view us. So in a way i can understand the "dont tread on me" state of mind that the middle easterners have. However, Iran has pledged to blow Isarel off the map. Thats not the words a man of power in charge of a country should use. Thats childish and damn right dumb. If thats your goals, then at least dont say it then expect the world to be ok with it. In a sense i think they should be allowed to feel secure theirselves and with all the countries around them having nukes, i feel they should have theirs too. I mean in this very game...if a Security council voted to restrict me having Nuclear weapons, but my enimies had them and could use them on me, i would be pissed too! We all would. But if i said imma gonna get some nukes and blow all of you up, i have only myself to blame. Cus DUH!, tell me your gonna shoot my ass and see if i dont make sure you get a gun. Tell me your gonna spray my house full of bullets and see if i dont take it lightly. I would probally even try to kill you first if i took you really seriously. Which leads me not to blame my country for wanting to pull off a pre emptive strike, thats just my own rational thinking if im told im gonna be shot. I guess im kinda on the fence about this. I see both sides of the story and see both have a valid point. But in the end since Isarel isnt outright vowing to destroy Iran, and Iran is, i would probally back America if i was a foreign country asked to choose a side. However i do believe America and its little brother so to speak Isarel are bullies who think its their way or no way. I could argue all day over posting shit about the things we both do to the rest of the world starting with the invasion of Iraq. We went there for so called WMD's and the rest of the world knows were after the oil. We invaded a country causing billions in dollars and thousands of casulties over damn oil and lie saying its to topple a radical regime. But at the same time we should had helped those people because a super power of the world has a responsibility to help people who cant help their selves. Libya, they were threatening to use their own currency and gold to market their oil and that was a bad mistake. Thats another example of the western world bullying countries who cant defend themselves, i know Libya was toppled by rebels but the US most likely set that up. The middle eastern riots, all of it. No i cant proove it, but others have theories. The man wasnt that bad from what i hear. He offered very good healthcare to his citizens. But i dont live there and know what he was like so i cant judge what should had been done. I do find it odd that we never invade countries who's main export if cabbage or tomatoes. Its always countries rich in oil. Thats something to ponder on.
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| Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 02:27 am But the religion they view as evil shouldn't have a secular country as a target. We have freedom of religion yet half of our appointed politians violently push judio-christian values. This wouldn't even be enough to invoke their rage if we didn't supply Israel with all of their weapons. Since we do it allows them to continue to bully palestine. Now i'm pretty confident you may not all understand middle eastern politics fully, so briefly. Iran has president akmed dijinijad. He works like a prime minister then 5 of the big countries have Ayetolohs or religious leaders of their respected countries which works like the queen or king. President makes decisions but ayetolohs like nooo.... don't do that. Then the ayetolahs hve a supreme ayetolah that picks the others, so if they don't like what is happening he'll replace them. So any injustice done onto any muslim nation is an injustice done to all of them. So if we enable Israel we piss off the supreme ayetolah. We have freedom of religion though our government is picking sides, it is OUR OWN fault. Not us US citizens but the garbage we elect that decide to assist these "satins." Even those these "Terrorists" don't need any more of a reason to hate us, we armed Iraq many years ago to fight Iran, to settle a problem with Russia. So how can you justify the actions of the United States. to reference the gun rights thread we can't outlaw guns because if people breakin you need to be able to defend yourself. What makes it right for American citizens but wrong for muslims?
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| Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 02:40 am every county that has nukes is a threat to the world iran just happens to be one of the greatest threats and its not childish to say I'm going to blow up Israel its insane demonic racist and on par with a certain Nazi genocide called the holocaust again it is morally imperative that we don't allow insane destructive regimes who want to bully others with nukes obtain them it is a threat to the US the world and it is also a threat to the average Iranain citizen amerrica is not a bully we go into dangerous extreme country's and try our damnedest to "fix" them introduce equality suffrage and economic wellbeing so they are no longer so threatening it would be the historical norm to go in for oil but we are Americans and we think we are so good if we went in for oil why am I still paying 4 bucks a gallon did we spent billions of dollars invading country's so we could BUY oil based on OPEC standards I think not I don't see the logic in that argument we didn't invade Iraq or afgahnistan or free Kuwait and then load their oil on tankers and leave we stayed fought insurgencys and tried our best to befriend the populace and overhaul their entire society we also didn't bully Libya we were just going along with the UN and France for human rights that was hardly our show
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| Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 02:47 am drew I didn't understand half that post are you high maybe? I don't even know who akmed dijinijad is but hes definitely not the president of Iran it makes me question your supposed supreme knowledge of ongoings in the middle east
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| Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 02:53 am Are you familiar with Pat Tilman who quit pro football to "defend" his country. He was killed by his own people, which is still debated to this day. However his message still made it home. He said the only thing he was doing in Iraq was defending poppy fields. You think just because the price of gas goes up, that it means were not taking their oil. The entire middle east wants to stop accepting the dollar for their oil! Thats why were invading every damn country there is and are now sounding the horns agaisnt Iran. I suggest you do more research. Even main stream media often questions the intent of the goverment. This is well known, this isnt even illuminati theories, many people question Bush and his Iraq invasion being that hes in Big oil. If we hadnt invaded Iraq for oil, gas would be 20$ a gallon. Statements from main stream media It’s somewhat rare to hear a Senator tell the truth about American foreign policy, but we did get a glimpse of reality last week when Senator Lindsey Graham lustily talked about the death of Gadaffi. He said, “There’s a lot of money to be made in the future in Libya. There’s a lot of oil to be produced. Let’s get on the ground and help the Libya people establish a democracy and a functioning economy based on free market principles While we have the illusion of choice in our politics, the only real consistency in policy-making is Washington’s commitment to war and oil, and increasingly often, war for oil. Libya was the oil dealer to Western Europe, but the market for oil is global. And oil is the prize, not democracy. This is why John McCain praised Gaddafi in 2009 for his peacemaking efforts, and applauded his death last week. It’s also why our military is increasingly extended across the world in oil-rich regions. Our oil-drenched, defense-heavy industrial policy is increasingly creaky, but it is protected by the money that flows into the political system to wall off politicians from voters. Without a reformation for new politics, and a different way of relating to one another, we will continue with the status quo. And we will have to keep finding countries and asking the question of how our oil got under their sand. Note: Anyone who thinks that the Middle Eastern wars are a response to 9/11 should read this. For example, the Iraq war and [threatened] Iran war were planned before 9/11. The Afghanistan war was planned before 9/11 (see this and this). And – according to French intelligence officers – the U.S. wanted to run a lettuce pipeline through Afghanistan to transport Central Asian oil easily and cheaply. And so the U.S. told the Taliban shortly before 9/11 that they would either get “a carpet of gold or a carpet of bombsâ€, the former if they greenlighted the pipeline, the second if they didn’t. See this, this and this. WHERE ITS SAYING SEE THIS....ITS LINKS TO MORE DETAILED EXPLANATIONS. DO NOT FOR ONE SECOND THINK THESE WARS ARE OVER EVIL MEN AND TERRORIST ATTACKS.
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| Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 02:58 am http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/06/everything-were-doing-now-was-planned-before-911.html That link there is from a national recognized website. Go to it and read. The wars were planned long before 9/11. Thats why i say 9/11 was an inside job meant to use an excuse to invade these countries rich in oil. I, and many others say, Bin Laden wasnt resposible for 9/11 but was a cia Asset. THIS IS WHY WERE CONSIDERED BULLIES ACROSS THE GLOBE
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| Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 03:01 am oops Ahmadinejad=Ackmed dijinijad gimme a break its hard to get those names. And my post was very coherant
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| Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 03:01 am yah that seems slightly over the top we don't even get that much oil from the middle east so your argument has no basis have you ever thought that maybe the mainstream media you qoited right there is just trying to get people riled up most of our IMPORTED oil comes from the western hemisphere we are not in the middle east for oil we are there because they want to kill us and we don't want to die
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| Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 03:03 am "we are there because they want to kill us and we don't want to die" rediculous
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| Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 03:04 am we are not considered bullys across the globe actually contrary to what you think we are just seen as backwards and we are not considered billy's across the globe because of that conspiracy theory you just used to back it up because guess what its a conspiracy theory which means most people don't believe its true
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| Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 03:05 am we went there because we needed there oil rediculous two can.play that game drew we don't even get oil from the middle east
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| Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 03:06 am how is my post rediculous it seems simple and straightforward actually logical
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| Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 03:08 am The soldiers of our military are honorable men and deserve respect and praise. However they think the same thing you do. They think were fighting for peace and to help people. Bullshit. Why do you think so many are writing home saying there waking up to whats really going on. I support our soldiers but i dont support these false wars. The goverment has lied and continues to lie. Like i said, you think the world is exactly what it seems, no...not at all. You really think this countries goverment would spend billions of dollars to help people they dont even know. Hell no, you cant feed the poor but have money for wars. You think they care about Saddam Hussein killing his own people. This is games meant to disguise the real intentions. They spend their own money...and OUR money, wrecking our economy to secure their future as leading super power of the world. Without oil, they cant ride in their gas guzzling SUVS. Or fuel there planes and tanks. Do you think the goverment spends 4$ a gallon. No they most likely pay nothing. However if they didnt have the Iranians oil, they would be paying just as much as we are. Very nice of them to let us have a little for sky high. If we never invaded these countries, then Iraq would be setting its own price for oil and they would be paying much much more for it. Perhaps into the hundreds of dollars a gallon. Then they couldnt wage future wars. Then Iraq and Iran would be becoming super powers while the USA falls behind over years.
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| Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 03:11 am "we are not considered bullys across the globe actually contrary to what you think we are just seen as backwards and we are not considered billy's across the globe because of that conspiracy theory you just used to back it up because guess what its a conspiracy theory which means most people don't believe its true" Bugger me sideways. America is perceived by EVERYONE, including Europe, Britain, Australia and its allies, as the "great interferer". There isn't a corner of the globe where America doesn't strut around thinking it has the right to boss around everyone else. Most countries (especially in the Middle East/Asia) would prefer to see the United States butt out.
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| Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 03:11 am Its spelled, ridiculous. Both of you. The main stream media isnt trying to start anything, these people are pro's. Conspiracy theories are believed by many. Its just not accepted as truth and reported as truth. Doesnt mean its not true. If people were admitting its true...it wouldnt be a conspiracy theory now would it? Alex i agree with you on some topics but you need to do more research and bow out respectfully until you get more facts. I can admit when im wrong, can you?
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| Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 03:14 am MY POINT EXACTLY TOM!! EVERYONE KNOWS THIS! If you were Iran wouldnt you be pissed too. I would. I would quickly say, mind your own damn bussiness! We said after WW2, that we will stay in our hemisphere and ya'll stay in yours! Kinda hypocritical? Seems like we been meddling in others affairs since Hitler killed himself.
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| Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 03:14 am there's many more places to get oil then the middle east actually we hardly get any oil from the middle east and its not like the government of Iraq sets the price its OPEC and they are actually quite reasonable with their prices now and Iraq doesn't even produce a lot of oil its all exaggerated
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| Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 03:18 am I don't even condone Americas meddling like I said America has messed il in the middle east with foriegn policy I'm an isolationist I'm just telling you we didn't go there for oil we went their because Saddam said he had WMDs which he didn't I and many think an invasion of Iraq was a foolish result of poor foriegn policy
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| Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 03:19 am and I have automatic spell check hang on rediculous yah your wrong
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| Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 03:20 am or perhaps my spell check is abit to mainstream for kasper
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| Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 03:22 am Its not exxageration at all, its barely even touching the tip of the iceberg. Dude the Middle east is RICH as hell in oil! Do you not think Opec can be infiltrated, if the presidency can be thena damn oil company could be. I dont know all the facts and i dont pretend too but yes Iraq and Iran both, along with Libya is well stocked in oil. If they stopped saling to the US, and kept it for there own military then the US would be in trouble. You dont think we get much of our oil from the middle east?? DUDE WIKIPEDIA IT..... SAUDI ARABIA has tons of oil. Why do you think were such good buddies with them. The US has oil, but its already being used! Too many people, cars, WEAPONS! Now were all outta food, and we go bully the little kids for theirs! WERE BULLIES, NOT THE OPPOSITE!
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Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 03:25 am
Well I've got to disagree with you on that point Kasper. During my time in the U.S. Navy we fueled up at the same piers every civilian freighter used including at times ships of the Soviet Union. Many where the times we did not get underway simply due to budget and lack of fuel. And this was during what is know known as the "Cold War". If you think these budget arguments in Congress are funny, think about being under the threat of not getting a paycheck, having a ship with not enough fuel to legally move (we had fuel just not enough to legally get underway) and going on a National alert where everyone had to scramble out of port to get away from whatever it was we thought the Soviets where dropping at the time. Most of our Military don't do it for the money however, many have families to take care of and no money means a family goes without. How would that set, pulling out of port leaving your wife and kids to whatever the flock was coming without even money to buy food. As far as the U.S. Navy goes each ship has a budget for pay, fuel, repairs, food and other supplies they cannot go over. Granted in some areas it's somewhat excessive but that is another story. Now in times of war there are war stocks that can be drawn on, hell 1/8th of San Diego CA is (or was) covering storage bunkers for fuel oil specifically for the the ships based there. It was however bought at some point.
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| Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 03:26 am Qatar the highest income per capita in the world, only because of oil
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| Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 03:27 am Dont act like a child and insult my intelligiance becasue i dont agree with you. Thats shit a spoiled little brat does. Act like an adult. If your from America and saying you spell it, REDICLOUS, YOU NEED TO GOOGLE IT AND SAY SORRY CUS THATS NOT HOW YOU SPELL RIDICULOUS FOR GOD SAKES. An hour ago i thought you were kinda smart now your making me doubt that. Regardless of what you think......WE INVADE MIDDLE EAST COUNTRIES FOR OIL. IT WAS PLANNED LONG BEFORE 9/11. HELL WE INVADED IRAQ IN 1993! DESERT STORM! WHAT WAS THE REASON THEN?? Do some more research.
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| Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 03:31 am again I'm an isolationist I think America needs to back off and be like it was before the cold war we were a sleeping superpower that could be awakened in a moment now we are hyperpower that is growing ever more weary again the US get about 15% of its oil from the middle east most of it from Saudi Arabia whom we never invaded we are not their for oil we are there so politicians can get votes
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| Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 03:32 am Yankee im not talking about soldiers, regular senators and reps, and the military in general. Im talking the greedy elite, the Illuminati, The bushes, the Cheynee's. The goverment im speaking of are the ones who make these decisions in the backgrounds. Im quite sure the military with its huge spending on oil isnt exempt from the same price as us. But if we didnt invade these countires, that cost would probally be double by now. You cant control what you dont own. Now that Iraq is our allies, and do what our goverment says, we have better oil prices. If the middle east carried out their plans, it wouldnt be 4$ a gallon. It'd be 20$ most likely. Thats if they even gave it to us in the first place, resulting in even higher prices.
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Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 03:33 am
Well I wouldn't give a dead cat for what Australia thinks, I dislike Aussies about as much as Tom here dislikes the U.S., why is another story. As for Great Britain, I doubt it and if they do well, they sure didn't mind our help during the Falklands, and the I.R.A. has sure been quite lately. We've backed G.B. almost as much as they've backed the U.S.
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| Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 03:37 am Not everything is reported Alex. These stats people keep posting are can be controlled. Theres alot of stuff that goes on behind closed doors. Like i said i dont know everything or have all the facts.....but we invade these countries rich in oil while at the same time were growing in needs for oil and that demand is increasing every day. Like i said, just do more research. Its a common known accusation agaisnt our goverments that were oil hungry. Its not just about oil for theirsleves to gobble up in trucks. Its also the money. Bush family is in Big oil, its about profit, control, and power. Oil is the most precious resource. Who has it, has the rest of the worlds nuts in a vice grip. Once again, this is what the elite want. Dont beleive everything you hear, were not the good guys as bad as you may want to beleive we are. Just because your goverment is a bully, theif, and evil, doesnt mean you have to be. Doesnt mean you have to support it.
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| Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 03:39 am WE DIDNT EVEN INVADE IRAQ IN 1993 ARE YOU FUCKING MAD get your damn facts straight and who gives a shit on how to spell ridiculous or rediculous we can all read fine right and I'm pretty sure Luxembourg has the highest income per capital with some Scandinavian country's next not that its relavant at all
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| Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 03:40 am Toms talking about the citizens. I see interviews all the time and newscast talking about our goverment worrying about the rest of the world hates us. Its even in movies. Even right here in this country, like the 99% movement, thinks america is bullies and selfish. Were percieved as bullies everywhere. Its not always talked about on the news stations, but go to internet forums and certain surveys, the stats show that most people hate America.
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| Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 03:43 am and ive talked to foriegners before and there perception of America and obviously not everyone thinks the same as tom here I wouldn't be surprised if tom here was the minority he seems like the "outspoken " type
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| Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 03:44 am The Persian Gulf War (2 August 1990 – 28 February 1991), codenamed Operation Desert Storm (17 January 1991 – 28 February 1991) commonly referred to as simply the Gulf War, was a war waged by a UN-authorized coalition force from 34 nations led by the United States, against Iraq in response to Iraq's invasion and annexation of Kuwait. Ever seen the movie JARHEAD based on that war in 93. If we didnt invade IRAQ then why the hell did i see soldiers in the damn desert. Aerial and ground combat was confined to Iraq, Kuwait, and areas on the border of Saudi Arabia. However, Iraq launched Scud missiles against coalition military targets in Saudi Arabia and against Israel It was a damn battle with those guys for invading Kuwait. We backed off but it still happened.
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| Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 03:44 am are you serious that's the only thing people say about America everyone in America thinks the world hates us weather.for our freedoms or for being selfish but its not true people have different perceptions
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| Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 03:47 am 1991 we liberated/invaded/freed/ whatever KUWAIT never set foot into Iraq 1993 We through some cruise missiles into Iraq for attempted assassination of former president George HW Bush 8 casualtys hardly an "invasion" I don't base my facts off of movies sorry
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| Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 03:49 am and do you think the US Shouldn't have interfered even though it was a UN Sanctioned (whole world) event was it our fault we did the UNs bidding how interfering of us
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| Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 03:52 am Iraq invaded Kuwait and Kuwait is an ally of the US. Iraq's invasion also was a major threat to Saudi Arabia and under no condition could the Western world allow such a concentration of the world oil reserves to be controlled by Saddam Hussein.
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| Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 04:07 am ohhh so now its the western world not the United States that are the bullys because we didn't let a dictator/bully take over Kuwait which was a prosperous socially progresssive country amist a region of oligarchist governments...tell me kasper were we just going to allow Iraq to do as they please take over the middle east and become a superpower...reminds me of this thing called appeasement before WW2 didn't work did it ....
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| Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 04:08 am so kasper who are the real bullys the western world or a 3rd world dictatorship
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| Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 05:26 am Why would we not want Iraq to be a super power? Cus they would be in control of the oil. And ummm, LET IRAN DO AS THEY PLEASE AND TAKE OVER THE MIDDLE EAST? Do you mean how we done as we pleased and killed many native americans hundreds of years ago? So they were old day terrorist becasue they didnt want us invading and taking away their land. Just like the Iranians these days are terrorist because they dont want to end up like the Indians. Im not saying our defending of Kuwait wasnt justified, but im saying if they had invaded a small non oil refining country i doubt we would had given a damn. Bottom line you can beleive what you want. I think you need to wake the hell up. Were not in all these middle eastern countries in the interest of killing terrorist before they attack us. Our goverment should spend those billions of dollars on bettering homeland security to avoid those kind of attacks from ever happening again. Instead they wish to spend 3 times more then what they would on homeland defense to travel to foreign countries and catch these people to make sure Americas safe. Americas not in Iraq, or Iran. Americas right here. Right between Mexico and Canada. You start by keeping America safe IN AMERICA. So what other reason would we have to invade and meddle in these countries. To set up goverments that will give us better prices on oil & not pull out of the US Dollar transactions. Alot of the middle east wants to start using Gold or a different currency to buy their oil. Most likely only share it with other middle eastern countries. To one day rival America, Uk, and the other super powers of the world. Saudi Arabia plays by these rules, which is why were not at war with them. I bet theres just as many terrorist and shit in that country as any other. Thats where Osama Bin Laden spent most of his life. They play by the rules and allow us what ever we want, so we dont have to wage war agaisnt them. But the other goverments of the middle east doesnt want America in their land, they have their own plans. So we use propaganda and say there the bad men. Thats where all the bad people are. We should wage war agaisnt them to make sure 9/11 doesnt happen again. 9/11 is used as an excuse for every damn thing. Which is even more of a reason to beleive it was an inside job by our own goverment. To justify waging wars all across the middle east, and its not over yet. So why do we wage war agaisnt them, to catch terrorist....we have no right to invade countris to catch criminals. We dont chase bank robbers over there. Is it to help the region and bring about peace and end suffering by these regimes.....so we invaded Iraq to stop Saddam hussein from killing his own people. Uh Hu....lets see.....the Opinion Research Bussiness survey reports 1,033,00 deaths as a result of the war. YOU TRY TO SAY WE WENT THERE TO STOP A MAD MAN FROM KILLING INNOCENT PEOPLE, DAMNIT WE KILLED OVER A MILLION!!!! DO NOT USE TELL ME SADDAM HUSSEIN WAS A BIGGER THREAT TO THESE INNOCENT MEN, WOMEN, AND CHILDREN THAN THE UNITED STATES FORCES AND OUR FELLOW ALLIES. So if we didnt go there to protect the citizens and give them a better life, which if its your excuse...really..really..REALLY...went horribly wrong resulting in more deaths of not only our soldiers but there citizens....and if we didnt go to war with them to catch terrorist....lets see it must have been the WMD's right???? None were found. Not a single smoking gun anywhere. Thats something Bush even admitted and dumbly made a joke saying with a smirk...Nope no weapons over there....with the crowd laughing along with him.....then what the hell did we go to war with them for???? OIL!!! For future refference...try using more puncutation in your paragraphs. I dont know where one sentence ends and another begins
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| Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 05:46 am "Well I wouldn't give a dead cat for what Australia thinks, I dislike Aussies about as much as Tom here dislikes the U.S., why is another story. As for Great Britain, I doubt it and if they do well, they sure didn't mind our help during the Falklands, and the I.R.A. has sure been quite lately. We've backed G.B. almost as much as they've backed the U.S." I don't dislike the US... I dislike America's foreign policy. Big difference. America's time as a superpower has resulted in many big failures, and its dedication to forcing people to swallow what America believes is revolting. Many Islamic nations do not hold the same principles as the United States, yet America sees it fit to impose democratic governments on them fruitlessly, even if their religion, culture, and population are completely against them. The Vietnam War was a disaster, and did nothing for anyone, except kill millions of people. Iraq solved nothing... no WMDs and it only served to piss off the entire middle east. Afganistan War is only making them hate the West more. All America's foreign policy has done in the past 60 years of its domination is cause more problems. Isolationism is the only way to go. Australians and Europeans think that because of this self-righteous attitude, we're all gonna pay through terrorism for America's arrogance.
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| Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 05:47 am There's a lot of contradictions and hypocrisy in the USA's foreign policy.
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| Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 06:07 am I couldnt agree more. Are you using the jokers picture as your own sublimental message? You know, the joker burns money to show hes not a slave to it.
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| Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 06:14 am No. I just love the Dark Knight, although the Joker is a really interesting character. His views and philosophies on chaos, leadership etc. are really spot on in some cases.
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| Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 06:24 am The Dark Knight was a recently adopted name for Batman. The Dark Knight means something else...providing this illuminati shit is real. They chose that name i believe for an antichrist type figure. For example, in the movie Bruce Wayne represents a capatilist. The good guy who must save Gotham and the world from the evil money burning terrorist like the Joker. While really, the Joker is the good guy in real life. Saying he will not be a slave to the elite and their modern day slavery. Just a little something i get from the movie. However i think the movies are fuckin awesome...
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| Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 07:30 am I know. I love the Dark Knight Movie. And I think you're pretty right. I've always thought of it as a bit over-praising of capitalism, although I do like how the series of movies by Nolan attack greed and also America's paranoia of terrorism. The recent movie especially.
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| Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 05:15 pm I agree with tom in that our foriegn policy has been totally off ore WW2 Is the only way to go isolationism BUT the US definitely hasn't been the worst superpower ever would you rather have the Soviet Union what about European imperialism that was much worse then our modern day meddlings I concede we were involved but definitely in a much less fashion I'm not even going to name all the massacres and exploitation that occurred but that doesn't mean because of some dodgy parts of our history we should just let it all happen again kasper that would be the height of folly well we subjugated and killed millions of Indians why shouldn't Hitler be allowed to conquer Europe and enact a genocide WHO ARE WE? that is a liberal attitude that funnily doesn't allow for any progress again we are not their for oil that is non sense because guess what we don't get that Much oil from the middle east and the stuff that we.do get comes from Saudi Arabia we have no interest in Iraqi oil (we are a larger producer then Iraq) and idk if Afghanistan is even a large producer of oil and you say the elite uses it for their SUVs lol I imagine the elite isn't that big while their SUVs are big I doubt they need the oil of a whole country and it would probably just be easier to take over an American oil company if they don't already own it (that way they wouldn't have people like you after them) also one million people killed is a disgusting exaggeration and most of the people killed were from car bombs IEDe etc not exactly the type of weapons the US military uses....if the enemy is going to blow io their own people and use them as human shields well frankly that's not our guys fault also I never said we went their to help the people please don't put words in my mouth I'm not an expert but I imagine we could have tine to a thousand places to help people we went their most likely because of partisan politics and an idiot of a president "helping people" was just a side result and I imagine the term helping people is controversial but I think most people in Iraq and afgahnistan are happy not to be living under oppressive regimes such as the Taliban and Saddam both were threats to their own country.s and the region and contrary to what you may think the people of the middle east don't all want to be brutally subjugated by religious extremist regimes there was plenty of opposition to both governments internally before we went in and yes dictators aren't gasing their own people because of racist hatred or not letting women go into public that was abit of cultural diffusion
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| Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 06:13 pm Schlumberger (SLB), Baker Hughes (BHI), Weatherford (WFT), and Halliburton (HAL) have committed to drilling 2,500-3,000 new wells per year and building new pipeline and shipping terminal infrastructure that could make Iraq the world’s largest oil exporter. The value of these contracts may reach a massive $60 billion over the next six years, and could generate $1 billion in new revenues for each company per year. http://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/The-Gold-Rush-In-Iraq.html
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| Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 06:16 pm the problem is even worse I didn't read the whole article cuz i know what it says anyways i posted it so you'd get a clue. It's not right that we enter into a country for oil. BUT ITS A WHOLE LOT WORSE, when we do it not for our countries oil supply but so rich americans can make money off of it, and not allow the country itself to benefit. This corporate atmosphere is so destructive. And we need to completely clean house of all of our leaders
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| Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 06:25 pm hmmm perhaps you've got a point there actually seems to make some sense but isn't a few billion in revenue pocket change especially compared to the money we spent invading Iraq and I doubt it will change where America itself gets oil from if we didn't invade Iraq or afgahnistan gas prices would still be the same they are now not the bogus 20 dollars a gallon there are other markets id imagine this is just some rich Americans exploiting an opportunity to make some money nothing to unusual and not to significant in the grand scope of things
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| Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 06:32 pm compared to the money we spent invading YES!!!!! but it just goes to show you how in order for the corrupt to siphon money from the government it has to to waste a ton. Bush didn't invade Iraq to make the country richer, it did it to make his friends richer. But 1B$ is not chump change in regards to individual corporations. 2011 net income of Halliburtun 3.08B in 2011 and before that significantly smaller as you go back
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Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 07:18 pm Lmao, the IRA exists on American donations!
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| Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 07:23 pm But yes, generally I perceive the UK/US relationship as the famous 'special' one. We believe in spreading democracy and human rights too. We've also been seen as doing the dirty. An ex Prime-Minister, Tony Blair (one man who I truly despise) was found guilty of bringing GB into the Irag war on WMD with absolutely no proof, in fact contrary proof, of their existence.
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| Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 08:00 pm It must be quite obvious to all of us (western world) that we desire control of the worlds oil supply. As someone said earlier, whoever does that has the world by the nuts. Just as some countries like Saudi, Kuwait, Dubai etc want control of the banks and tourism etc. The thing is, some leaders have seen fit to gain this control with force under the guise of human rights. Not saying there weren't genuine HR needs to address. But read a bit deeper about Husseins regime and you will see he was doing plenty too increase welfare, like the worlds largest water movement system to irrigate lands and all that goes with it. So off to war they go, and remember, in the long run, war is good for a country, just witness modern Germany. Anyway, if Obama was a stronger/madder president then the west would be invading Iran right now. Just as well he isnt and neither is Cameron. I wouldn't fancy stirring up the hornets nest that is Russia and China and probably N.Korea either. I dont think we have the right to deny Iran whatever technology they want, hell why should all the major players in the west have it and not them? I do think we have have the right to stop them using nukes at all costs. Just like your guns people.
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| Sunday, August 12, 2012 - 12:31 am Crafty as im sure you been reading my post, you should know i agree with everything there. EXCEPT for the guns part. I guess we will just have to agree to disagree on that one. However im not totally agiasnt the idea...like i said, if it was up to me....citizens in my country wouldnt have them. However i know i wouldnt ever treat my people like slaves as i think the goverments of the world would in this world. And i would also have more security to pretty much make crimes like rape and breaking into houses basically impossible. Thats a plan i hope to put in effect one day with something i call the Great Quinton communities. I want to revolutionize the way people live...and im talking real world. Thats the plans for my money if i ever make it big. Im not selfish and dont need millions of dollars to myself. I have bigger plans. But with the way this world is, i think guns are neccesary. And will become even more so in the coming years. Take away the ability to rape, rob, and other shit...and i will agree to take away guns to stop this senseless killing, even tho i think it could be goverment sponsored. Thats something i will not stake my rep on. But yes, the western world is pretty much bullies and oil hungry regardless of what Alex thinks. I think Iran made its own grave with their presidents comments, if they never said dumb shit like that.....i say let them feel secure and build what they want. We have them, so should they.
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| Sunday, August 12, 2012 - 02:31 am Ok, my last (ish) words. Read with more care what I said Kasper. I'm saying every American should have the right to own a gun, they always have since the constitution was signed and it wont change. Just as nukes are here to stay, even for Iran. But stopping people mis-using them (which in nuke weapons case is probably every case, unless we need some day to blow up a meteor or some such) stopping misuse must be the main priority, by hook or by crook.
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| Sunday, August 12, 2012 - 03:05 am Ohhhhh, gotcha. Lol. I Agree. This time 100%. Too bad we dont have that shit that one movie had where they were able to see every crime and stop it before it happened. I would like to see a REAL ( Not false flag ) Global threat from an outside force where the world would put aside our differences and band together. Using Nukes on such as a meteor or something. I believe it was Reagon would also had that dream.
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